andyman97

Fantastic! Good luck with approval!

Looks great, nice work Tony! Can't wait to see the final suit up pics and that approval! Good luck!

Let me start by saying I'm not looking for a confrontation. Your response comes across (to me, at least) as a little hostile/condescending. The "reminder on how you operate" was strictly in response to the post that "…since it already exists we cant just delete it." I was only saying that CRLs can be retired and there is a process for doing so and that shouldn't be an obstacle from updating or correcting a CRL. My goal is to build an accurate costume and join the detachment (and possibly seek specialist). Several posts in this thread highlight that there are inaccuracies with the current CRL that makes it difficult for someone (like me) to build accurately when the detachment openly acknowledges the CRL is incorrect. I'm bound by what's written in a CRL unless the detachment says otherwise so I am seeking clarification so I don't have to change things later. Parts of the CRL have been cited as "accurate" according to references that are inferred and not clear (stand up collar with a closure). I do think the last paragraph David wrote about creating CRLs based on different available references is worth considering; one possibility is a modular CRL if it was deemed appropriate.

Thanks again for the thorough responses. I would argue that the reference doesn't strictly support the "stand up collar with closure strap". IMO this equates to taking liberties with an interpretation (stating above that it is "indicated" is a perfect example). I think it could more easily and accurately phrased as black fabric covering the costumer's neck without adding details that really can't be quantified. However, there are steps the detachment can take to correct the CRL based on everything that's been mentioned above. CRLs can certainly be retired, the steps to do so are in the DL survival guide. https://databank.501st.com/databank/DLSurvivalGuide#SETTING_UP_THE_FORUMS ‘Grandfathering’ / Retiring CRLs Occasionally, a pre-existing CRL may need to be retired from the published CRL list. This predominantly occurs with ‘older’ CRLs, that were created with limited references. Over the years, additional behind the scenes footage, photographs and resources have been made available that impact the accuracy of a CRL. This ultimately leads to a “current” CRL being inaccurate. The impact of this is costumes being approved that do not meet the standard the 501st Legion holds itself to. Detachment Leaders are encouraged to bring inaccuracies to the attention of Detachment Members and LMO. It is recommended that the following steps are followed: Bring references to the LMO and Detachment to show why the CRL is no longer accurate. Invite members to make and submit an accurate costume to be included in an updated CRL. 12 months from the date of notification to LMO and Detachment, the Detachment Leader may formally submit a request for the CRL to be retired. LMO take all information provided, and vote on the retirement. LMO & DL make an announcement about the outcome of the vote. When a CRL is to be retired, any members who are working on the costume have 6 months from the date of retirement announcement, to complete their costume and receive approval before the costume is removed from the approvable roster. Any members who have this costume approved already are ‘grandfathered’, and retain the costume on their individual 501st Legion profile. They are, however, to be encouraged to make the necessary changes to their costume to ensure their costume is accurate. If the CRL is not retired, the Detachment Leader may submit another request in 12 months time. Once a CRL has been retired, any costumer who wishes to make the costume must follow the ‘New to the Legion’ application process.

Thanks for the responses. I understand not changing the CRL just because it's technically not a biker scout and there aren't any references for a fold down collar. I still haven't found any references that support a stand up collar with a closure strap as written in the CRL, either, and I don't believe that should be overlooked. Imo, if it's not clear that there is a collar at all then it might make more sense to modify the text to remove specific language for something that isn't verifiable in favor of having language that states the neck and head should be covered in black fabric or a balaclava instead.

I haven't seen any references that clearly show the shadow scout collar at all, let alone that support the way the crl is written currently. I scrubbed through all the references listed in the reference thread above but not one has a clear shot of the collar construction. I'm looking at doing this build and I've been emailing with Rob from chef's creations for a soft parts commission. He mentioned that he originally wrote the CRL and everything was based on the biker scout and all of his flight suits for the shadow have the turned down collar that is clear from the references of the biker scout.

I haven't seen this mentioned but wanted to ask if there is a plan to update the current CRL to allow for a fold-down open collar, similar to what the pathfinders did with the RoTJ Biker Scout. Thanks!