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Patches, all 4 pouches, & belt got here today. The large pouch is the same as the CRL, but there is a lot taken off the front (can see the original lines in the CRL image). Is there an existung thread showing how it was done on the CRL example? I’m still waiting on the RK suit.

I realized the suit is not a “standard” imp coveralls/flightsuit. But ... at least it’s an easy coversion of a Red Kap suit. XL tall ordered.

I quite literally JUST discovered this kit exists. I have an extra suit, even. I have the belt, gloves, even goggles. I can whip up the harness quickly. I need to just sources patches (email sent) & pouches. Thanks! This is AWESOME!! Edit: So ... In 20 minutes: 2 patches ordered 4 MA47 pouches ordered 1 MOLLE gas mask bag ordered This should be approvable in a week or 2 ... I’m stripping cog patches off one of my Wampa TI flight suits (have 3), sewing the upper harness from 2” webbing material I got to make black flight harnesses (planned for a custom kit I never made), I have goggles from the eclipse, so done! All I need are parts to arrive.

I was away for a while ... Your post is extremely helpful to me. Once I dig out my Shadow Scout kit, & get it conpleted & approved, I plan to build a Storm Commando based primarily on the WEG illustration, with the bust that is clearly based upon it to fill-in details. I've been looking for a 3rd source to get an actual CRL made that fits. The figure with the armoured boots match the WEG image, but lack the thigh armour & other parts. Your timeline helps, as I had great difficulty dating the images. While off, I have approved: ANH TI Imp Gunner Naval Trooper & an working on: Imperial Baron Fel Rebel Baron Fel Rebel X-Wing pilot Wedge Antiles, X-Wing Mandalorian pilot Mandalorian privateer/boarder The shadow scout got packed away. I need to get it FINISHED!!

I'm neck deep in the facebook Inferno Squad development group, which I THINK is mostly JRS folks. I'm leaning toward Spec Ops being the correct place, but don't really care that much- as I want to be in both from other kits. Here is where I am at presently: TI: 181st pilot (approved) ANH pilot (just need to get images to get approved) Baron Fel: In progress, based on 181st, with new straps/belt & helmet, plus alternate shoulder patches- waiting on parts to arrive TX: Shadow Scout: own all parts, partially completed, but misplaced the main box storing the biulk of thd armour parts. Storm Commando: In planning stages, have mostly designed, just need to source/create shins & gaunlets (are NOT TK ones) Detachment questionable: Inferno: Have: base flight suit & materials. Not done yet, as may be irreversible if use iron-on 1" grosgrain stripe. I have 3.25 & 3.5" patches, but think theh should be smaller, to fit the visuals Belt: Need to complete TX/TB one from shadow scout, & waitng on a TK style. Helmet- on 2 waiting lists, one will be Inferno, other will be my made-up 312th "Dirt Devils" Boots/gloves- reuse my TI ones, though may buy a new glove pair for the split-bottom seen in trailer (etc) The present sense is that it is R1 armour & helmet, mostly TI, with the heavy using TK So, I can't simply mid what I've got ....

Bump: Well, devolution happened! I'm still planning on doing a Storm Commando, despite thinking it was originally a mis-drawn scout in black. My bases: WEG image, from Galaxy Guide 9: Outer Rim Bust Figure with the hard boots (shows the leg backs) Those three seem to be all based on the WEG image, allowing the most consistency. Will need: (Upper body based on WEG image &, especially, the bust) Modded helmet (mainly visor sides) Retrimmed arm pieces Gaunlets Gloves with hand backing New belt Alternate cumberbund, with wider pockets Cod-piece (not sure best way to do this part) -SHOULD be (logically) black vinyl, but may need to do hard plastic Shins, wrap around, with "flaps" over the upper foot (catcher-style), integrated knee Not sure of thigh parts. If present, are front only (as shown by textures of the leg sides in WEG image). NOT on toy figure.

Is there any image resource for original props & what was done to them? I know some, but would like to see more details of the "real thing" ....

On the MP40, I discovered that one size PVC pipe fits tightly over the screw-on cap's (the hexed cap at the base of the skinny barrel) threaded base. So, I am planning 3 interchangable barrels: Original barrel, mod based on DL-44 (Mauser) Barrel length based on MP5-smooth finished, with detailed tip 24 inch barrel, based on one used in other long-barreled blasters (with holes) That should get me experience in several styles ....

As a side note ... Found this looking up images: Recognize the blaster there? (I mean the actual gun that the blaster is built from ....)

MP5: AirSoft Looks exactly like this one Has "silencer" like: Real world examples: The MP5 is probably the most common spec ops weapon worldwide, with only the M-16/AR-15 & AK-47 variants in the running.

MP40: airsoft (plastic) Real (same size)

My present MP40 plan: Replace barrel tip (part in front of hexed cap) with appropriate sized PVC flared end of pipe (only a few inches long) Remove clip & cap hole (make look like intentional) Scope on top track (similar in style to Boba's EE-3, from one of the lots I got), big end toward handle Put an extra mini-track I have, removed from another airsoft (fits holes on right side of clip holder). Put flashlight attachment (backwards), with end set to look like sensor. The hand fits around the clip base (with the flashlight reversed) well. What kind of greeblies should I add? Where?

I have gotten several airsoft items over the last year-ish. I'm going to try some customs, with the purpose of learning techniques & skills before trying to build more "canon" blasters and detonators from the films & EU. With my particular interest in Spec Ops, I'm looking to build blasters based on an MP5 (one of the most common modern spec ops guns in the world) from a metal airsoft I've picked up (one with a broken removable silencer). Also, as it was in many ways the precurser of the MP5, plus in the spirit of the WW2 (& German in particular) based Imperial blasters .... I've gotten a plastic MP40 to play with. I'm using the cheap Double Eagle base, with the track on top for a scope. As far as I've found yet, these didn't appear in any canon or EU sources. Is that correct? If not, what did they become? I'd love any recommendations on precisely HOW to make the conversion of the particular pieces. I want to make them as "accurate" (& in the SW spirit) as I can. Any recommendations or advise are welcome & appreciated.

I still want to do this .... Unless one appears in the new films, I'll do a 181st/Storm Commando blend- with primary leaning to 181st I'll do another chest box with red buttons. What does everyone think of a Scout helmet, with a hose coming out of the snout? I may contact SC about another helmet. So, plan, CRL-Style (for ease, not that that could EVER happen) Helmet: Plan 1: Typical TIE helmet (2 hoses) Plan 2: Scout helmet, in black- modified nose greeblie- to include hose junction Suit: 181st style, modified, slightly (made from my original planned 181st suit) Ribbed red stripe, dark cogs, knife holder in code cylinder pockets (front 2 slots) 181st flight vest (gray), with charcoal harness ALICE belt & suspenders, holds chestbox Chestbox-roughly 6x8, based loosely on 181st boxes (A & - buttons in red & mid/darker gray, rockers? (will see if guy who made my 181st ones can make me 3 in gray) Hose(s), helmet dependent, exit lower part of box sides, no 3rd hose Scout cumberbund, black (under harness), with pockets Room for it between vest & belt? Scout gloves Scout knee armour Scout arm armour? if so, which parts? T & forearm? Scout boots? Jack boots? A rough idea outline ...

I hope the devolution/delegation/localization/whatchamacallit happens. That would allow practical fine-tuning for practical application & accurization by those actually wearing & interested in the 500+ & growing approved costumes. I think it's a good idea.

Yea, meant official. Practical, it's just a matter of soucing matching parts. I do need to get black leather anyways ...

What is the process to add the clip-in holsters? Is that by the detachment, LMO, GML? That ia something I was thinking of making regardless (even if only used for non-official, to store blasters & not carry them around). When I get to the appropriate stores, I am going to look for more of the big clips. I like in a small town ... those stores are 30-45 miles away, in different directions, so it takes half my day to "just grab some" basic parts. Again, for my info. I know this is election season, so a lot of orher stuff is going on ... PM me if it should be that way. Funny you should mention "reserve pilot," which is practically identical to the ROTJ bridge crew. I'm working with my GMO to get that approved right now- which should get menbership & numbers. Edit: I don't like the mobile version of the forum ...

Thanks for that explantion!

For those reading this, I had a PM conversation going, some of the tangents relate to that. I was focused more on that & learning how the Legion operates, rather than here. Timing between the US & UK broke up messages. It seems things in the background were more complicated than I realized. I'll recind this effort. My intent was to make a second TX kit, which would allow an alternate option to all (as per another member of the forum). The precise nature of that one lead to complications (& history?) which I am becoming aware of. The rocket launcher rifle was intended as an example (which post/thread intending "how would I make?" lead, indirectly, to this one ...). If one cannot use, in official events, something that type is clearly shown using (& being told a "storm commando" could), then one should make a storm commando CRL. That notion spurred Chef's above statement. As I plan, once "in," to make equipment, I'd like to be able to use it (appropriately, rather than a "walking arsenal"). Intrigued, I looked more into the commando. Plus, the 2 were close enough to actually be doable. So, I explored what it would take to do it, looking at the images I could find. I ended up agreeing more with Chef that they are the same. I'll drop efforts while I work on my Scout kit, to be painted black. whatever it is called.. I hoped for a multi-part conversation here, including "not needed," as they are basically the same. The notion of alternate parts comes from: http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TI_-_181st It seems CRLs & changes to them are more complicated than I realized & that this one is a serious backburner, esp with the new films & related media. Besides us, few care much. & I'm OK with that ... I need to get my first TX kit, the present "Shadow Scout" done first. (If this doesn't flow right, it is due to being writen in parts while getting myself & others ready for my son's last basketball game of the season at the local Y. I appologize now

Alternate idea .... "Tweek" the "Shadow Scout" CRL Primary: Change the name! "Storm Commando" (I think Chef is right as to intention) CRL ideas: The main semi-consistent difference with the many images I looked at & the CRL is the presence of holsters in so many of them. So, what about taking a note from the 181st CRL I've looked so much. It has several options (2 style chest boxes, 2 ways to do the waist belt, & options listed at the bottom, inc knee armour) So, what about the following options added to the CRL .... ? Belt options (3) Standard Scout Standard Scout with holsters clipped where side "boxes" usually are (using standard Scout clips) Alternate belt (like on bust) If 4th: 1" straps to holsters below side boxes on standard Scout belt (Each would have details, as I've seen on the 181st CRL, etc) Boot options: (I'm not set on this, but an idea) Scout boot in black Jackboot (same description as TIE boots) Weapons: Allowed- Any weapon in Lucas-createf, expanded universe. Must be from approved and licensed source, of the same basic time period of Episodes 4-6 & immediately following. Holsters appropriate to weapon, with preference to E-11 style holsters for those that allow such. Recommended: E-11 Thermal detonators, in pockets (experts can fill this in, based on in-universe source lists of equipment-intent is realistic Commando equipment) Basically, find a way to allow the commonly depicted dual side holsters (3 ways they are depicted in the images I've noticed) in addition to the normal scout belt & allow a more realistic (& huge) range of weapons. Plus, the name should be corrected! I don't think that would happen, but it's an idea. My hope, accurate & realistic Storm Commando. Period Of course, I'm not even officially a 501st member yet, despite working on 3 kits (RP/IC, 181st TI, & TX "Shadow Scout"/Storm Commando). So, I'm not really sure how that works, or if there is much point to this effort. Spec Ops, the dark, ignored, shadows of the Legion. And that's the way we like it. That's how Spec Ops does it's thing .... (hehehe) -Actually kinda like how it usually is in the real world military as well.

The legs are the most unconsistent in the images. I'm thinking that the different "Storm Commando" is from artists not realzing scouts had "soft parts" in those areas rather rhan armour like Stormtroopers. It is accidental, rather than intentional.

Thanks My apogies for Shadow Commando. I meant "Storm Commando." That is my mistake in typing. At some proding, I began looking intensely at images of "Storm Commandos" & looking for something significantly & consistantly different than the "Shadow Scout" CRL's kit. What I have found: The bust-statue has a different visor cut shape, forearm gaunlets & gloves with rectangles on the back, 2 small md-arm plates (right arm has a "closed-U" shape with 1 strap & the left has a raised rectangle with 2 straps), and a unique belt (which I am becoming fond of its design). There is a bit of a cod-piece different than the Scout one, going over the belt, plus the butt-flap is loose (no strap running over it). The thermal detonator looks basicall the same, but without the grembies added. The bust looks to be based directly on the WEG front image, with the same arm parts, belt, etc. The legs show some sort of thigh armour, which seems to be front-only, as the inseem shows 2 areas that would be straps indenting loose fabric pants legs. The lower leg has a unique armour, also reproduced in one of the action figures. It has 2 intersecting curved shapes. an ankle ridge, & a part over the foot (partially). The lower leg reminds me of baseball/softball catcher leggings, with the knee part removed. Wilson makes a discontinued set that looks rather similar. The other images indentified as "Storm Commando" seem to be based on the WEG image or the "Shadow Scout" (I'm with Chef on the terms now). By "canon," I was using the older version, with the EU & multi-levels of canon, all under the "Legends" title, My intent was to separate official stuff from fan-images. I may continue to create a kit based, primarily, on the bust, as I like the belt design. Playing with how that would expand to a useable & reproduceable "Commando" different from the "Shadow Scout," I keep coming to "differenf just to make different." The various source image I can locate online (my Star Wars EU comic collection isn't very big), look like Scout-based designs with minor changes (like jackboots, sonetimes with alternate tops, instead of the proper scout boots). Even the presence of arm & leg armour varies wildly, often with one & not the other. As for the X Wings images, those look more like a Scout-based image than anything else I've found. The "best" I have come up with for a different "Storm Commando" kit is (only changes from Scout" described): Scout helmet with different visor front edge cut 2 alternate mid-arm armour plates (described above), in place of T-bit armour Smooth forearm armour (replaces nornal armour) Leather gloves, with rectangles on back New belt: 2 inches wide Box each side (cut down from normal side part) Holster each side, on long strap, attaching under DT & just out from cod Simplified DT (no gremblies) New cod- several posibities: New hard armour piece Cut down TFA cod Marine-grade vinyl/leather cod- to shape of Scout, no chevron, lays over belt Legs: If thigh- front half TFA stormtroooper, cut down top (match images), 2 straps around back of leg Standard knee Shin armour? Catcher gear-bassd (vac?) Boots: Jackboots (like TIE) -maybe- clip-on top part with boxes on side(s) of boot top That is is we want to make a separate CRL at all.

I'm now thinking of making a Shadow Commando, based heavily on the Commando bust & WEG image, plus whatever I can find ... Still, so many "Shadow Commando" images look like artistic attempts (seemingly by people less knowledgable & careung about Star Wars than us .... ) at a black Shadow Scout. The armour sometimes often looks like the artist had no idea the scout had soft parts, not hard parts on much of the body. Yet, there is now the distinction between Shadow Scout & Shadow Commando, which seems somewhat artificial. The "Shadow Commando" looks to be, essentially, a heavier armoured Shadow Scout, with forearm, thigh, shin, & (maybe) cod armour added to the normal scout set (plus some other parts). The biggest difference is certainly double holsters added to the belt sides. Here is my proposal: Overall designation: Shadow Commando Then, split: Shadow Commando (Light) or Shadow Scout Shadow Commando (Heavy) or Heavy Shadow Scout Light Shadow Scout or, something to that effect

Bump ... Any "new" efforts, like using the Bust & the WEG image? Are those consistent enough with each other? (bust showing upper half details & WEG image attempting to be the legs/feet) I'm not convinced the X Wing images (with the bazooka/missile launcher) aren't intended to be pretty much the Shadow Scouts we already have (allowing for "artistic interpretation") ...

Also, those very 2 images are in the forum reference picts stickies: http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/topic/12-shadow-scout-reference-pics/page__pid__16#entry16 I'd like to do the Storm Commando in the WEG image(s), after I get the 181st & S Scout approved. Reserve Pilot just needs light & someone here to take pictures at the same time to get images to submit. 2 versions of the Imp Crew (bridge) will follow shortly (ANH & ROTJ-> same as RP). I have the needed xtools on the way. The 181st is just weeks away (need weather - heat w/o rain) to competion. The Shadow Scout needs lots of sanding, then paint & assembly. It also needs sewing on some parts. Using the Shadow Scout as a base, I'd love to know what parts need to be unique to the Commando. Shoulder bells with rounded lower corners New belt, with boxes & holsters Thigh armour- Is the TX parts a good basis to mod from or should they be fully new? Boots: the inages vary widely. Which would be the main image to work from? I'm assuming there is a discussion on here somewhere .... While weather wont cooperate to paint, I'm thinking of weapons. It would be neat to havd the weapon in those images. I'm thinking PVC tube, polystyrene strips from a hobby shop for the ribs. (or rubber, if I can get appropriate strips). An airsoft pistol should be able to provide the grip, grafted into the main tube. For those who have built blasters before, is that a good starting point?