Seyn Marana CRL - NO LONGER APPROVABLE

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

All, the LMO team is pulling the SEYN CRL. I can only direct you to the LMO team on the topic and advise not working on the costume until you do. The reasoning was lack of visual references. - Steve

 

 

Description: Seyn Marana

Prefix: TX

Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment

Context: Star Wars: Battlefront 2

 

Seyn Marana was a female human who served the Galactic Empire. During the Imperial Era, Marana studied at the Imperial Academy of Uyter where she graduated at the top of her class a year early. Sometime after the Battle of Yavin, Marana along with Senior Lieutenant Iden Versio, Del Meeko and Gideon Hask was drafted into Inferno Squad, by Admiral Garrick Versio. Possessing an eidetic memory, Marana was a master cryptologist and a superior shot who could take out any foe at over five kilometers.

 

For Iden Versio and Gideon Hask CRL, please visit the Jolly Roger Squadron Detachment.

 

The 501st approval requirements are listed in black.

In the page below, items listed in blue are recommended features that will improve the quality of the costume. Items listed in red are intended to further enhance the finished costume.

 

While the Spec Ops Detachment does not have any detachment specific costume certification programs, some parts of the costume below may be shared with other detachments that do. Features listed in blue or red are not required for 501st approval, but are noted here for those interested in these additional details.

 

This Visual Guide has been reviewed by the detachment staff and the LMO team and is certified for use as a minimum approval guideline for GMLs. GMLs are free to approve this costume type.

· Any uncertainties or questionable aspects of the submitted costume should be brought to the appropriate DL/GML peer review section of the legion forum.

Required Costume Components

The following costume components must be present and appear as described below for approval

 

Helmet

For 501st approval:

· Helmet is specific to Inferno Squad and appears as shown in the reference photos.

· Lenses are bubble or flat and are red in color and must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. Translucent or mirrored red lenses are acceptable.

· The front trident area is shorter than a traditional pilot helmet.

· There is a rectangular indentation on top of the mow hawk above the trident.

· There is one retaining clip greeblie in the left side trident indentation. A Nissan retaining clip is most accurate.

· The top of the mow hawk outside of the raised triangle is painted a dark gun metal color down to the inside edge of the helmet opening.

· There is a pill box just above the back bottom edge of the mow hawk. The pill box is the same black color as the helmet and does not need to be functional.

· Spaces between the teeth are cut out and backed with a dark gray or silver mesh material.

· The teeth and vocoder are painted flat black.

· Oxygen mask connectors are molded into the helmet just in front of the ear caps above the cheek tubes on both sides of the helmet

· There are Imperial disc greeblies without notch on each ear cap.

· There are two, 2.75 inch painted or decal logos on the forehead of the helmet. The Inferno Squad logo on the right side and an Imperial cog on the left side.

· There is a red painted or red decal area on the ram's horn on the right side of the helmet.

· There is a red painted or red decal area on the right cheek tube

· There are molded greeblies painted silver inside the hose ports that cover the openings. (See reference photo)

· Helmet may contain lightly done silver weathering but is not required.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Lenses are backed with round holed mesh/screen

· The pill box is functional

· Lenses are bubble

 

Flight suit

For 501st approval:

· One-piece flight suit is made out of Nomex, rip-stop nylon or similar material.

· The front zipper is covered by a 2-inch-wide piece of leather or leather-like material with vertical lines that attaches with Velcro over the zipper.

· Approximately 1.5" (38.1mm) tall mandarin collar with a chevron shaped, left-over-right Velcro closure.

· A 2.5-inch red embroidered Inferno Squad emblem, on a black background, is present on both shoulders.

o The emblems are 1/2 inch down from the shoulder seam.

· The shoulders of the suit are slightly padded.

· On the left forearm there is a compad pocket, approximately 5" (127mm) wide by 5.75" (146.05mm) tall, with no flap and a 2.25" (57.15mm) window in it.

· Size might vary to match specific compad.

· On the left bicep, about 2"(50.8mm) below the cog emblem, there is a code cylinder pocket with no flap, and vertical stitching dividing it into pen sleeves.

· A piece of 1-inch nylon strapping is sewn below the pen sleeve openings and is the same length as the top of the pocket.

· The bottom front corner of the pocket is cut off at a bevel on the side pointing in view direction, with the broader upside forming the border of the pen sleeves.

· The right sleeve has a cargo pocket, about 6" (152mm) wide and 5.75" (146mm) on the bicep, and approximately 2"(50.8mm) below the cog emblem.

· The pocket has a 2"(50.8mm) chevron flap.

· (2) large chest pockets and (2) large front pockets below the belt, without any zipper or flaps.

· (2) leg pockets with chevron flaps, similar in proportion as the right arm sleeve pocket.

· Size may differ - (Usually the width of the front pockets equals the width of the leg pockets)

· There are no leg pockets below the knees.

· There are two, 1-inch blood stripes that run up the right side of the flight suit. The first begins at the bottom of the right leg and continues up to the right armpit. The second begins at the right wrist and stops at the bottom of the arm pocket. The stripe then continues above the arm pocket, behind the patch emblem to the shoulder seam.

· There are two, 1 inch black stripes that run up the left side of the flight suit. The first begins at the bottom of the left leg and continues up to the left armpit. The second begins at the left wrist and stops at the bottom of the comm pad pocket. The stripe then continues above the comm pad pocket up to the bottom edge of the pen sleeves then continues above the pen sleeves, behind the patch emblem to the shoulder seam.

· There are two, 1 inch black stripes that run up the left side of the flight suit. The first begins at the bottom of the left leg and continues up to the left armpit. The second begins at the left wrist and stops at the bottom of the comm pad pocket. The stripe then continues above the comm pad pocket up to the bottom edge of the pen sleeves then continues above the pen sleeves, behind the patch emblem and up over the shoulder ending at the bottom of the collar.

· A piece of 1 inch leather or leather-like material is sewn below the pen sleeve openings and is the same length as the top of the pocket

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Suit is made out of Oxford weave canvas.

· Inferno Squad patches on the shoulders are embroidered.

 

Gauntlet Gloves

For 501st approval:

· Black, leather or leather-like material, enclosed fingered, non-textured, (normal leather grain/texture/lines are acceptable) fitted gauntlet style.

· No buckles, straps, or decorative stitching.

· There is a split on the bottom gauntlet portion that runs from the glove opening to the wrist.

· The split is bridged with leather. (See reference photo.)

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Gloves are made of leather

 

Commpad

For 501st approval:

· Rectangular communications pad with painted details as shown in reference photo

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Commpad is worn with the four large, rectangular buttons pointing towards the wearer's elbow.

 

Armor

For 501st approval:

· Armor consists of front and back pieces in black as shown in the reference photos with two shoulder straps anchored with wedge connectors.

· Back plate contains detailed "O II" design.

· There is a small, circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.

· The shoulder straps are not load bearing and care should be taken to prevent cracking.

· Molded rubber, ribbed shoulder straps are also a suitable option.

· Armor may contain lightly done silver weathering but is not required.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Shoulder straps are the same material as the armor.

 

Belt

For 501st approval:

• The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
   
  
• Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
   
  
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
   
  
• The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.
   
  
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
   
  
• The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
   
  
• Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center
  

For level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt is made of leather
   
  
• Snap is worn to the wearer's left
  

Holster

For 501st approval:

· Holster is made of black leather or leather-like material

· Holster is worn on the left

· Holster id attached to the belt with loops covering the outside of the belt

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Holster is made of leather

 

Boots

For 501st approval:

· Calf high leather or leather-like material

· Similar design to German jack boots or motorcycle riding boots.

· Boots have a flap with adjustment strap that starts at the middle back of the boot and wraps around to the outfacing sides.

· Adjustment strap has a square, silver adjustment buckle.

· Heels are made of rubber or similar material and may have tread or no tread.

· Boots may contain zipper closure but must be concealed with boot material as to not be visible.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Boots are replica Inferno boots

· Boots are made of leather.

 

Optional Accessories

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present must meet the guidelines.

 

Balaclava

For 501st approval:

· A balaclava is a black head sock/hood that is worn under the helmet and is used primarily to hide any view of the wearers skin and/or facial hair.

 

BlasTech E-11

For 501st approval:

· Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Folding stock (does not need to function).

· No ammo counter is present.

· D-ring mounted on the rear.

· Correct style scope.

· No power cylinders on the magazine housing.

· Scratch-built, resin cast, Hyper firm rubber cast blasters have a total of (7) U shaped channels on blaster (all holes on barrel are covered).

· If using the popular commercially available Stormtrooper blasters, you shall grind off the T-tracks and replace them with U shaped channels and cover the open rows of holes (total of 7 U shaped channels in all).

· Correct greeblies on the left rear area are present (door catch and two "hammers").

 

For level three certification (if applicable):

· Hasbro blasters are not allowed, even conversions.

· Forward D-ring is mounted underneath the front sight on the left side of the barrel.

· Use of the correct front sight (which differs from ANH and ESB).

· The scope rail is unique to ROTJ E11 and is not like the normal open ANH/ESB scope rails, but is a solid, one piece, with a unique sight design on the front. The scope connects to the notched out area of the solid rail. The scope is the correct design (as seen in ROTJ), and will attach to the scope rail via one scope mount.

· The muzzle is unlike the normal ANH style. It is flat with two counter sunk Allen bolts (one located at the four o'clock position and one located at the ten ‘o'clock position).

· The door catch is correct, not a "close enough" attempt as seen on the Cinemastery blaster.

 

DLT-19X (honestly no idea what her pew pew is)

For 501^st approval:

· Based on a real or replica MG-34 machine gun.

· Scratch built or high end prop replica as shown in reference photo.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· A DLT-19 is an MG-34 with T-tracks on the barrel, red ring around the scope, ejection port cover added, and a small disk on left side.

 

ID-10 Seeker Droid

For 501st approval:

· Seeker droid is constructed as seen in reference photos.

· Seeker droid may be fully extended and held or folded to compact size and stowed on the wearer's back armor.

· LED lights in the droid are allowed.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

 

Code Cylinders

For 501st approval:

· 1 to 3 may be worn

· Rod Style: machined aluminum, resin or wood rod with flaring disc detail at top.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· "Hero" cylinders are machined aluminum

· "Stunt" cylinders are wood and painted the same color as the helmet markings.

Face

For 501st approval:

· Short hair swooped to the side and black in color as seen in the reference photo

· Eyes are dark brown

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

 

Chest Box

For 501st approval:

· The chest box is required to have the same configurations as seen in the photo.

· The box has five 1-inch square x 1/8th inch thick detail pieces

· 1 Red, 1 White, 1 black, 2 Blue.

· There is a 1/8-inch-thick white pinstripe border around the square detail pieces

· There are two, 18 mm round indicator lights above the rocker switches. One white, one red respectively.

· There are three rocker switches below the round indicator lights. The rockers are always gray, white, gray. The gray rockers have red dots or indicator lamps in the bottom outfacing portion.

· There is a 1/8-inch-thick white pinstripe that runs horizontally across the bottom portion of the box.

· There is a male silver snap and a silver round disc with cone knob on the lower portion of the box below the horizontal pinstripe.

· There are two "gear" type greeblies painted silver affixed to either end of the lower tube portion of the box.

· There are two machined aluminum or molded silver greeblies in the hose ports of the box. (See reference photo.)

· Chest box may contain lightly done silver weathering but is not required.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· The red and white indicator lights are functional

Thermal Detonator

For 501st approval:

· A black thermal detonator is worn centered on the back of the belt.

· Eight square control panel buttons run along the bottom outfacing portion of the detonator.

· There is a raised "O" detail to the right and above the control panel buttons.

· Thermal detonator is attached to the back of the belt via metal “scoop" hooks, painted black and attaches over the top of the belt.

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

· Detonator is attached with silver “scoop†hooks only.

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Seyn Marana Help

All of her information is book related so check things over see if there where anything missed.

We have a bit more liberty unless she shows up in the game

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

Thanks for separating these out, Dorothy. I will be working on the formatting for the CRL posting.

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Updates have been made

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Updates have been made

[ISBEAR[501st]]

Why a tk belt? Iden got one, but both Gideon and Meeko is sporting a officer belt. Wouldn't it be more natural to go the same route? Or make it optional, one or another.

It will put some space between the two female characters of the squad. And Also since regular belts are standard for both regular pilots and intelligence officers.

 

Sent fra min SM-T550 via Tapatalk

 

 

[Enemyace[501st]]

From what i thought i saw on the book seyn has an officer belt like gideon

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

well since the book is the main reference i will go ahead and change to an officer belt.

I do agree with making her different than Iden for contrast. I just wish we had more information than the book

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Updates have been made

[Enemyace[501st]]

With an officer belt I'd assume since she is similar to Hask, a detonator wouldnt be worn and should be optional?

[An0rak[501st]]

With an officer belt I'd assume since she is similar to Hask, a detonator wouldnt be worn and should be optional?

 

Agreed. The detonator should be optional.

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Updates have been made.

Thank you guys that have been helping on this. i know its a bit tricky since we have barely anything to go on but its working out pretty nicely.

[An0rak[501st]]

I know Seyn is a female character. Is there any gender restriction on this costume? I'm a bald guy with a beard so I wouldnt troop without the helmet. Would that be allowed? I wasn't sure since she is a face character, and that is new to me. Thanks.

[ISBEAR[501st]]

After my understanding of the crl of inferno squad. Helmet mandatory, faceless is optional for all characters. So we can be as manly as we like, just conceal it with a helmet.

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Yeup like ISBEAR has said the face part is optional so as long as you build to the CRL specification it shouldnt be a problem. There have been many female approvals for male characters such as hux and others so it shouldnt be a problem.

I know Seyn is a female character. Is there any gender restriction on this costume? I'm a bald guy with a beard so I wouldnt troop without the helmet. Would that be allowed? I wasn't sure since she is a face character, and that is new to me. Thanks.

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

No restriction on gender if doing the helmeted or unhelmeted version, but must look the part if doing unhelmeted version.

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

just so everyone knows, a draft of the Seyn CRL is up and it looks great. Still awaiting word from the LMO.

[An0rak[501st]]

Yes! I love this! Can't wait.

 

I've been working on the CRL photos in secret for a while now.

[Janem[TX]]

I just saw tht the Seyn CRL is out now. I must admit, that I did not pay much attention on this matter in the past, as the Inferno Squad is just not my cup of tea. But I read the book and that's why I'm wondering what kind of reference material was used for the CRL. In the thread it says, that the book was used. But in the book there is no description of Seyn's Suit. So how do we know that, for example she was not wearing a TK Belt but an Officers Belt? I was under the impression that to get a costume approved it has at least have to have two references. And that a single reference in a book is not enough.

I don't want to make a fuss here, please don't get me wrong. It is just, that we are facing a small discussion here in Germany. Some people are already stating, that now they can make every costume which is just mentioned in a book... Thanks.

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Hi

ya know in all honesty it was a bit of a challenge to figure this out since the reference of her is on the cover of the book and her back is turned. We decided to go with some general guidelines of the inferno squad basic outfit for her and i thought it made sense in t e pretext of her being with del, iden, and gideon. So since they was enough reference for them at least in my personal opinion it was easy to get a sense of yes she would probably be wearing this too. I understand where you are coming from with the references and how it was usually done but it seems since we had enough of the others and they all spanned the same thing we were able to come up with what we have for a CRL.

Now your garrison shouldn't make the assumption that they can make any costume they want from a book and that would be extremely ill advised to take that position based on this specific instance. Hopefully that all makes some sense.

I just saw tht the Seyn CRL is out now. I must admit, that I did not pay much attention on this matter in the past, as the Inferno Squad is just not my cup of tea. But I read the book and that's why I'm wondering what kind of reference material was used for the CRL. In the thread it says, that the book was used. But in the book there is no description of Seyn's Suit. So how do we know that, for example she was not wearing a TK Belt but an Officers Belt? I was under the impression that to get a costume approved it has at least have to have two references. And that a single reference in a book is not enough.

I don't want to make a fuss here, please don't get me wrong. It is just, that we are facing a small discussion here in Germany. Some people are already stating, that now they can make every costume which is just mentioned in a book... Thanks.

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

I just saw tht the Seyn CRL is out now. I must admit, that I did not pay much attention on this matter in the past, as the Inferno Squad is just not my cup of tea. But I read the book and that's why I'm wondering what kind of reference material was used for the CRL. In the thread it says, that the book was used. But in the book there is no description of Seyn's Suit. So how do we know that, for example she was not wearing a TK Belt but an Officers Belt? I was under the impression that to get a costume approved it has at least have to have two references. And that a single reference in a book is not enough.

I don't want to make a fuss here, please don't get me wrong. It is just, that we are facing a small discussion here in Germany. Some people are already stating, that now they can make every costume which is just mentioned in a book... Thanks.

 

The key here that is often lacking with other costumes is the continuity with her squad mates. They all have like-pieces that we can references and we do get a back view of Seyn from the book cover that we can also use for additional details. That is one of the key reasons her costume is much simpler than the other ones. Hope that makes sense.

[jenmcnitt[TX]]

I was just reading through Seyn's CRL and it seems very similar to Iden's with a few differences. Her outfit seems like a good first step while working toward getting the extra pieces for Iden's completed.

 

One item that I noticed that could be different is the back plate. Is this actually the case?

 

For Seyn:

• Back plate contains detailed "O II" design.
  
• There is a small, circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
  

 

For Iden:

• Back plate contains detailed "O II" design.
  
• There is an oval indentation below the left shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
  
• There is a small, circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
  

 

With the addition of the second bullet for Iden, does this mean that we can not use the same back plate for both ladies?

 

What else am I missing which could make it challenging to switch from one of of the ladies to the other?

 

Thanks!

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Hi

In theory you could use the same back piece however i would just fill in that indentation to make it look as if it is not there. I can see that easily being done now other thing to keep into consideration is do you want it permanently filled or not?

So technically you could actually just with a small modification for Seyn.

As for other things they have different belts and no pauldron for Seyn.

Let us know if you have any more questions.

 

I was just reading through Seyn's CRL and it seems very similar to Iden's with a few differences. Her outfit seems like a good first step while working toward getting the extra pieces for Iden's completed.

 

One item that I noticed that could be different is the back plate. Is this actually the case?

 

For Seyn:

• Back plate contains detailed "O II" design.
  
• There is a small, circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
  

For Iden:

• Back plate contains detailed "O II" design.
  
• There is an oval indentation below the left shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
  
• There is a small, circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
  

With the addition of the second bullet for Iden, does this mean that we can not use the same back plate for both ladies?

 

What else am I missing which could make it challenging to switch from one of of the ladies to the other?

 

Thanks!

[An0rak[501st]]

My Seyn costume has approved. My GML sent it to the Legion command level for approval. I'm in Spec Ops now!

 

seynaction by Chris Porta, on Flickr

[Janem[TX]]

I gave this very much thought, but as the first approvals of Seyn took place I've decided that I have to start a discussion in this matter. I did not want to make a fuss but I'm afraid I have to, as this CRL is not only against my personal view of the CRL Database, but also against the rules.

 

First I like to give my personal point of view on this issue:

I think our CRL should not be based on assumptions and maybes, but on proper reference material only. We should nerver assume what might be logical or what a character would probably use or wear. In the IOC we had a huge dispute about an optional costume accessory: The rain poncho from rogoue one. The poncho was seen in the movies only in black. But a green one was added as optional, also for the Line Officers. The ones responsible pointed out, that it would be only logical that the green officers would wear a green rain poncho, and I do not argue that in the Galaxy far far away they would. However we can't base a CRL on our assumptions. Otherwise we could also assume, that a grand admiral would war a white poncho with golden epaulettes and add it to the Thrawn CRL. You see where this is going. It was a very emotional discussion and some people got quite angry about the topic. At last a poll was held and the green poncho was dismissed by the members of the IOC. However the LMO has not yet followed that decision.

 

Now what the guidelines and rules are saying about this matter:

In our databanks under the LMO documentation there is a character approval statement. In this statement it says under additional notes:

• The character must be represented visually by an officially authorized Star Wars publication. Full body front/back/side reference must be available. Costumes based only on text descriptions cannot be approved.
  

 

 

 

So to make a long story short: The CRL is simply against the rules. We should not accept a CRL which is against the rules. I don't understand why our LMO did not enforce the rules, stated in his own job description. But imho we have a huge problem here. This CRL should be removed from the CRL database immediately before more people start working on Seyn costumes. The costumes already approved maybe stay in the legion due to preservation of the status quo.

 

Please understand that I don't want to give anybody a hard time. But for me the CRL is the very foundation the legion is build upon. And it should not be endangender by setting precedents like this.

 

How will we proceed in this matter?