RAIDER[COTG] Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 CRL UPDATE IS ACTIVE AS OF 5/13/19. PLEASE SEE FINAL CRL PUBLISHED HERE: https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_shadow_scout CRL Shadow Scout Required Costume Components Special Notes: The armor parts shall be film-accurate or close approximation in gloss, semi-gloss, satin, or matte black, weathering is not acceptable. Armor is made from one of these (or similar) types of materials: Fiberglass ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene). Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy. The following costume components are present and appear as described below. New image Helmet For 501st approval: Eye Lens in black, dark green or silver mirrored Helmet may have scout detailing or left plain if detailing is present it is black or dark grey [*]Licensed helmets are acceptable with modifications: any deformation of the helmet shape (helmet flare) is corrected remove the manufacturer logo replace stock lens replace inaccurate "fish-hook" logo replace stock bolts with flat-disc "elevator" bolts replace inaccurate aerator. repaint to match armor [*]Fan-made helmets are acceptable as long as they remain true to shape of original screen accurate helmet. For level two certification (if applicable): Details are the correct color and placed as shown. Film-accurate scout details are present, either painted or decals. They should be contrasting the rest of the helmet Film-accurate snout detail and aerator with accurate parts, mounted onto a plate and painted a contrasting black to the armor. Film-accurate squared emblem located on the left faceplate "blinder" Film-accurate helmet snout/aerator detail, mounted onto a plate and painted a contrasting black to the helmet Film-accurate rear helmet "bar code" striping pattern Film-accurate three lines on center of forehead area [*]No mesh material mounted in the ears. [*]Properly shaped ear holes are installed. [*]Black 3M bolts or replicas of in the helmet. (Visible bolt head diameter of 22mm). [*]No visible seams on the dome. [*]Optional: Chin cup Existing image Balaclava For 501st approval: A balaclava is a black head sock/hood that is worn under the helmet and is used primarily to hide any view of the wearer's skin and/or facial hair. Existing image Flight Suit For 501st approval: The undersuit is a one or two-piece black textile suit, such as military flightsuits, motorcycle racing suits, industrial work clothing (Dickies), or similar suit modified appropriately. Stand-up collar which conceals the neck and with enclosing strap to keep the collar closed. Must have a suede or faux suede butt flap attached above the waist hidden by the cummerbund, rectangle in shape. The flap is slightly narrower than the width of the trooper and stop slightly higher than the bottom edge of the troopers backside. Suede or faux suede thigh patches must be present, extending over the flight suit crotch and down the front finishing above the knee armor. The thigh patches must be secured by 50mm (2") black elastic, sewn in under the front and back of the thigh patch. See the Scout Trooper Flight Suit page for detailed images of the patches described below. Suit must not have any visible labels, logos or zippers (including built in flight suit pockets). For level two certification (if applicable): Suit is fairly fitted and not baggy. Real black suede square/ rectangular butt patch attached to flight suit at the rear under where cummerbund will sit and resemble those seen on screen, size will adjust slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale must be noted, no external visible stitching. Size will differ slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale is maintained. Existing image Shoulder Armor For 501st approval: Black Elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. They do not have any adornment. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around bicep with a 12mm (1/2") black elastic strap. Bottom corners are rounded. Optional: Affix top of shoulder bells to shoulder bridge loops Existing image Upper Arm Armor For 501st approval: Armor has a recessed area with a "t-bit" detail attached within. Black elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. For level two certification (if applicable): Film-accurate "T-bit" detail is mounted to armor T-bit circle detail piece faces forward on each arm. Armor is secured around the arm with a 35mm ( 1.5") black elastic strap. Existing image Forearm Armor For 501st approval: Black elastic is used to secure the armor around forearm. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around the arm with a 25mm ( 1") black elastic strap. Existing image Gloves For 501st approval: Black leather and gauntlet length. Detailed gloves include: Black suede or faux suede patches on top of the middle finger, index finger, and thumb. Four tightly spaced ribs that span the knuckles. [*]There are no labels/logos, clips, or external straps. For level two certification (if applicable): Real black suede leather padding on fingers and inside of thumb and correct gauntlet stitching. New image Vest For 501st approval: Made out of black, matte finish, heavy weight cotton fabric. Sleeves are padded and contain ribbing similar to the front of the cummerbund. The sleeves are just slightly longer than the bottom edge of the shoulder armor. Vest has a much wider neck opening than the flight suit. Secured at the back using 50mm (2") black hook and loop fastener. For level two certification (if applicable): The vest is separate from the flight suit and cummerbund. New image Chest Armor For 501st approval: There is a recessed rectangular area present over the right breast that may be painted contrasting black or left unfinished. The chest and back armor join together over the shoulder and the gap covered with a loop of black fabric. The sides of the chest armor are attached to the back armor with black webbing or elastic. For level two certification (if applicable): Shoulder bridge covers, covering the join between the front and back of the armor, are made of black cotton webbing. Nylon webbing is inaccuate [*]Side under arm chest/back straps are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic strap. New image Back Armor For 501st approval: The back armor has a center tank attached. The top of the tank is flat with a detail piece painted black. Top detail piece uses the same greeblies as seen on the seen used armor Top detail piece is painted full matte black The tank has a contrasting black stripe detail. Optional: Additional "rank indicators", present on the right side of the tank, can number between 0 to 6 stripes. For level two certification (if applicable): Back and Tank must be two separate parts, no single part back/tank plates will be admissible. Only 1, 4 or 6 stripes on tank are acceptable. Bullet tank on the back armor has film-accurate greeblie tank topper detail. Tank topper is a separate greeblie to the tank itself. Tank topper is secured with single black colored rivet in the center of the greeblie. Rear tank has properly placed pin striping and a single bottom attachment black rivet. Blinking lights or LED's on the bullet tank are not acceptable. New image Cummerbund For 501st approval: Made from matt black, heavy weight cotton fabric. Closes in back with 50mm (2") hook and loop fastener. Extends from just under the chest armor down to the waist. There is no gap between the belt and cummerbund. Has a tapered cod section with inverted curve sewn in detail. (not chevron) Made from the same material as the bund [*]Connects between the legs to the back of the cummerbund by a 50mm (2") black elastic strap. [*]Front of cummerbund has 5-6 equal ribs stitch, centered between the two fabric pouches according to wearers size. [*]ribs are of equal width. [*]ribs are completely visible between the pouches. [*]poches mounted to touch the chest armor. [*]pouches slightly overlaps the belt. [*] Pouches are made of matching black fabric For level two certification (if applicable): The cummerbund is separate from the flight suit and vest. There is no visible external edge stitching on the bund, the cod or pouch flaps. Bottom edge of the pouch flap must be less than half the overall width of the pouch. Pouch Size to conform to individual size; should fit in gap between chest armor and belt with minimal overhang. Codpiece must conform to shape pictured in the CRL or Costumes book. Codpiece must not have excessive bunching around groin area. Optional: codpiece is separate from the cummerbund and attached to either the vest or the undersuit. New image Belt and Detonator For 501st approval: The front and two "boxes" of the belt are made of hard material. The remainder of the belt that fastens at the back of the waist, is made from a textile material (webbing). Hanging from the sides of the belt are hip boxes (drop boxes). Drop boxes are also made from plastic. Drop boxes are connected to the belt via black textile straps. [*]Attached to the back of the belt is a rectangular thermal detonator box with short black corrugated hose. [*]The correct thermal detonator greeblies are attached to the box. [*]The rectangular part of the thermal detonator greeblie, fixed on the left side of the detonator, is the same as used in the rebel Endor trooper rank badge. [*]On the right hand side is the same round greeblie as used on the Scout tank topper. [*]See the detonator detail page for a close up image of the greeblies. [*]The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 50mm (2") black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single black rivet For level two certification (if applicable): The belt is made from a one-piece construction with no visible gaps, and not separated with fabric in between sections, apart from at the back where the TD box sits. Making any joins in a 3 part belt seamless, is highly recommended. The straps to attached the drop boxes to the belt are made from 40mm (1 1/2") black cotton webbing Nylon webbing is inaccuate Drop boxes hang at the correct distance from the belt [*]The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 50mm (2") black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single black rivet [*]Thermal Detonator end caps to be concave and not flat. [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator must have visible black clips attaching it to the web belt, as seen in the film. [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator tube to be wire wrapped and not ribbed tube. Existing image Knee Armor For 501st approval: Knees are gray to match the snout. Black elastic is used to secure the armor around the leg. For level two certification (if applicable): Knee armor has two elastic straps: The first is 25mm (1") wide and passes through the bottom of the knee armor. The second is 12mm (1/2") wide and riveted to the top sides of the knee armor Rivets are black in color New image Boots For 501st approval: Black marine vinyl which is not too glossy in appearance. Slightly textured vinyl is acceptable. [*]The soles of the boot are black. [*]A "dog bone" shaped strap covers the bridge of the foot. [*]The boots are secured up the back using 25mm (1") black hook and loop fastener. [*]The calf of the boot rises to just slightly underneath the bottom of the knee armor. For level two certification (if applicable): The boots have slots cut into the heels and toes as seen on the references. The boot sole is a single black color with no visible stitching. Boots that are constructed too wrinkled (i.e not stretched/fitted correctly prior to gluing) or poor in appearance will be refused. Boots made using the "boot tutorial" (available on BSN.net) are the only boots accepted. Existing image Holster For 501st approval: Attached to the outside right side of the right boot with black rivets. Not straps. [*]The blaster pistol fits into the holster For level two certification (if applicable): Attached with four black colored rivets. There is no rank striping visible. Optional Accessoires: Existing image Neck Seal For 501st approval: Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to the top of the Adam's apple. For level two certification (if applicable): Prohibited for a accurate style costume Existing image E-11 Blaster For 501st approval: Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the E-11 is standard-issue for many Imperial troops. Light, compact yet powerful, the E-11 blaster is always in high demand throughout the galaxy. Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. For level two certification (if applicable): Folding stock. Stock does not need to function. [*]A real or replica ammo counter - based off of a Hengstler counter - should be present. [*]D-ring mounted on the rear. [*]Correct style scope. [*]Two power cylinders on the magazine. [*]Scratch-built, resin cast, Hyperfirm rubber cast blasters should have a total of 6 t-racks on blaster (leaving the lowest row on the Hengstler side un-covered). [*]If using the Hasbro E11 toy blaster, it is modified to have the correct number of T-tracks (6 total), with a lower row of open vent holes on the magazine housing side. [*]This is accomplished by covering the pre-existing rows of holes with T-tracks, then grinding off the lower integrated T-track on the magazine housing side, and drilling a new row of holes in its place. Existing image Hold-out Blaster For 501st approval: Flat or semi-gloss black. Blaster does not have any visible trigger. Blaster is lightly weathered. For level two certification (if applicable): The scope has lens discs cut into the scope for a more realistic appearance. No decals representing cross hairs or similar. No drilled barrels. The screen used ones did not have drilled barrels. Kenner toy blasters, modified Kenner toy blasters or resin recasts of Kenner toy blasters are not acceptable due to the fact they are approximately 10% larger in scale than an accurate style blaster. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 This should be one of our first major updates for the year. @furiosa @Blackwatch @Tarrif Can we give this a hard look to make sure its how we want it? Part of the update is to have a little more consistency w/ the TB (though not entirely exact). Feel free to reference the TB CRL as well. Thanks team! Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I have my paper copy that is all marked up and highlighted (printed from the published CRL PDF FILE) , as well as the actual CRL open on the page and I am reviewing differences, similarities and looking for the issues I see in the Current CRL. CHANGE LOG : Version 1 at top of page remains unchanged. Version 1.1 below highlights changes and edits in red and green. 1 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Here are my changes, based on both Weir and the Swampscout and TB : [*]Properly shaped ear holes are installed. replace installed with present Film-accurate snout detail and aerator with accurate parts, ..... contrasting black to the armor. duplicate statement Side under arm chest/back straps are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic strap. reword this to Underarm connecting straps from chest to back are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic. Swampscout has the TD end caps written into the CRL as a L1 item. Flat for L1 and Concave for L2. No end caps at all for L1 here? [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator must have visible black clips attaching it to the web belt, as seen in the film. I would strike all of this , it is CC&P from the TB databank and does not pertain since this is art-only. Knee Armor For 501st approval: Knees are gray to match the snout. WAIT-----WHAT????????????? 1 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 On 9/4/2018 at 10:45 AM, Raider said: CRL Shadow Scout Proposal Change 1 Required Costume Components Special Notes: The armor parts shall be film-accurate or close approximation in gloss, semi-gloss, satin, or matte black, weathering is not acceptable. Armor is made from one of these (or similar) types of materials: Fiberglass ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene). Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy. The following costume components are present and appear as described below. New image Helmet For 501st approval: Eye Lens in black, dark green or silver mirrored Helmet may have scout detailing or left plain if detailing is present it is black or dark grey [*]Licensed helmets are acceptable with modifications: any deformation of the helmet shape (helmet flare) is corrected remove the manufacturer logo replace stock lens replace inaccurate "fish-hook" logo replace stock bolts with flat-disc "elevator" bolts replace inaccurate aerator. repaint to match armor [*]Fan-made helmets are acceptable as long as they remain true to shape of original screen accurate helmet. For level two certification (if applicable): Details are the correct color and placed as shown.Film-accurate scout details are present, either painted or decals. They should be contrasting the rest of the helmetFilm-accurate helmet snout detail and aerator with accurate parts, mounted onto a plate and painted a contrasting black to the armor helmet.Film-accurate squared emblem located on the left faceplate "blinder"Film-accurate helmet snout/aerator detail, mounted onto a plate and painted a contrasting black to the helmetFilm-accurate rear helmet "bar code" striping patternFilm-accurate three lines on center of forehead area [*]No mesh material mounted in the ears. [*]Properly shaped ear holes are installed present. [*]Black 3M bolts or replicas of in the helmet. (Visible bolt head diameter of 22mm). [*]No visible seams on the dome. [*]Optional: Chin cup Existing image Balaclava For 501st approval: A balaclava is a black head sock/hood that is worn under the helmet and is used primarily to hide any view of the wearer's skin and/or facial hair. Existing image Flight Suit For 501st approval: The undersuit is a one or two-piece black textile suit, such as military flightsuits, motorcycle racing suits, industrial work clothing (Dickies), or similar suit modified appropriately. Stand-up collar which conceals the neck and with enclosing strap to keep the collar closed. Must have a suede or faux suede butt flap attached above the waist hidden by the cummerbund, rectangle in shape. The flap is slightly narrower than the width of the trooper and stop slightly higher than the bottom edge of the troopers backside. Suede or faux suede thigh patches must be present, extending over the flight suit crotch and down the front finishing above the knee armor. The thigh patches must be secured by 50mm (2") black elastic, sewn in under the front and back of the thigh patch. See the Scout Trooper Flight Suit page for detailed images of the patches described below. Suit must not have any visible labels, logos or zippers (including built in flight suit pockets). For level two certification (if applicable): Suit is fairly fitted and not baggy. Real black suede square/ rectangular butt patch attached to flight suit at the rear under where cummerbund will sit and resemble those seen on screen, size will adjust slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale must be noted, no external visible stitching. Size will differ slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale is maintained. Existing image Shoulder Armor For 501st approval: Black Elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. They do not have any adornment. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around bicep with a 12mm (1/2") black elastic strap. Bottom corners are rounded. Optional: Affix top of shoulder bells to shoulder bridge loops Existing image Upper Arm Armor For 501st approval: Armor has a recessed area with a "t-bit" detail attached within. Black elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. For level two certification (if applicable): Film-accurate "T-bit" detail is mounted to armor T-bit circle detail piece faces forward on each arm. Armor is secured around the arm with a 35mm ( 1.5") black elastic strap. Existing image Forearm Armor For 501st approval: Black elastic is used to secure the armor around forearm. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around the arm with a 25mm ( 1") black elastic strap. Existing image Gloves For 501st approval: Black leather and gauntlet length. Detailed gloves include: Black suede or faux suede patches on top of the middle finger, index finger, and thumb. Four tightly spaced ribs that span the knuckles. [*]There are no labels/logos, clips, or external straps. For level two certification (if applicable): Real black suede leather padding on fingers and inside of thumb and correct gauntlet stitching. New image Vest For 501st approval: Made out of black, matte finish, heavy weight cotton fabric. Sleeves are padded and contain ribbing similar to the front of the cummerbund. The sleeves are just slightly longer than the bottom edge of the shoulder armor. Vest has a much wider neck opening than the flight suit. Secured at the back using 50mm (2") black hook and loop fastener. For level two certification (if applicable): The vest is separate from the flight suit and cummerbund. New image Chest Armor For 501st approval: There is a recessed rectangular area present over the right breast that may be painted contrasting black or left unfinished. The chest and back armor join together over the shoulder and the gap covered with a loop of black fabric. The sides of the chest armor are attached to the back armor with black webbing or elastic. For level two certification (if applicable): Shoulder bridge covers, covering the join between the front and back of the armor, are made of black cotton webbing. Nylon webbing is inaccurate [*]Side under arm chest/back straps are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic strap. Underarm connecting straps from chest to back are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic. New image Back Armor For 501st approval: The back armor has a center tank attached. The top of the tank is flat with a detail piece painted black. Top detail piece uses the same greeblies as seen on the seen used armor Top detail piece is painted full matte black The tank has a contrasting black stripe detail. Optional: Additional "rank indicators", present on the right side of the tank, can number between 0 to 6 stripes. For level two certification (if applicable): Back and Tank must be two separate parts, no single part back/tank plates will be admissible. Only 1, 4 or 6 stripes on tank are acceptable. Bullet tank on the back armor has film-accurate greeblie tank topper detail. Tank topper is a separate greeblie to the tank itself. Tank topper is secured with single black colored rivet in the center of the greeblie. Rear tank has properly placed pin striping and a single bottom attachment black rivet. Blinking lights or LED's on the bullet tank are not acceptable. New image Cummerbund For 501st approval: Made from matt black, heavy weight cotton fabric. Closes in back with 50mm (2") hook and loop fastener. Extends from just under the chest armor down to the waist. There is no gap between the belt and cummerbund. Has a tapered cod section with inverted curve sewn in detail. (not chevron) Made from the same material as the bund [*]Connects between the legs to the back of the cummerbund by a 50mm (2") black elastic strap. [*]Front of cummerbund has 5-6 equal ribs stitch, centered between the two fabric pouches according to wearers size. [*]ribs are of equal width. [*]ribs are completely visible between the pouches. [*]poches mounted to touch the chest armor. [*]pouches slightly overlaps the belt. [*] Pouches are made of matching black fabric For level two certification (if applicable): The cummerbund is separate from the flight suit and vest. There is no visible external edge stitching on the bund, the cod or pouch flaps. Bottom edge of the pouch flap must be less than half the overall width of the pouch. Pouch Size to conform to individual size; should fit in gap between chest armor and belt with minimal overhang. Codpiece must conform to shape pictured in the CRL or Costumes book. Codpiece must not have excessive bunching around groin area. Optional: codpiece is separate from the cummerbund and attached to either the vest or the undersuit. New image Belt and Detonator For 501st approval: The front and two "boxes" of the belt are made of hard material. The remainder of the belt that fastens at the back of the waist, is made from a textile material (webbing). Hanging from the sides of the belt are hip boxes (drop boxes). Drop boxes are also made from plastic. Drop boxes are connected to the belt via black textile straps. [*]Attached to the back of the belt is a rectangular thermal detonator box with short black corrugated hose. [*]The correct thermal detonator greeblies are attached to the box. [*]The rectangular part of the thermal detonator greeblie, fixed on the left side of the detonator, is the same as used in the rebel Endor trooper rank badge. [*]On the right hand side is the same round greeblie as used on the Scout tank topper. [*]See the detonator detail page for a close up image of the greeblies. [*]The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 50mm (2") black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single black rivet For level two certification (if applicable): The belt is made from a one-piece construction with no visible gaps, and not separated with fabric in between sections, apart from at the back where the TD box sits. Making any joins in a 3 part belt seamless, is highly recommended. The straps to attached the drop boxes to the belt are made from 40mm (1 1/2") black cotton webbing Nylon webbing is inaccurate. Drop boxes hang at the correct distance from the belt [*]The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 50mm (2") black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single black rivet [*]Thermal Detonator end caps to be concave and not flat. [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator must have visible black clips attaching it to the web belt, as seen in the film. [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator tube to be wire wrapped and not ribbed tube. Existing image Knee Armor For 501st approval: Knees are gray to match the snout. painted to match the armor and helmet. Black elastic is used to secure the armor around the leg. For level two certification (if applicable): Knee armor has two elastic straps: The first is 25mm (1") wide and passes through the bottom of the knee armor. The second is 12mm (1/2") wide and riveted to the top sides of the knee armor Rivets are black in color New image Boots For 501st approval: Black marine vinyl which is not too glossy in appearance. Slightly textured vinyl is acceptable. [*]The soles of the boot are black. [*]A "dog bone" shaped strap covers the bridge of the foot. [*]The boots are secured up the back using 25mm (1") black hook and loop fastener. [*]The calf of the boot rises to just slightly underneath the bottom of the knee armor. For level two certification (if applicable): The boots have slots cut into the heels and toes as seen on the references. The boot sole is a single black color with no visible stitching. Boots that are constructed too wrinkled (i.e not stretched/fitted correctly prior to gluing) or poor in appearance will be refused. Boots made using the "boot tutorial" (available on BSN.net) are the only boots accepted. Existing image Holster For 501st approval: Attached to the outside right side of the right boot with black rivets. Not straps. [*]The blaster pistol fits into the holster For level two certification (if applicable): Attached with four black colored rivets. There is no rank striping visible. Optional Accessories: (SP) Existing image Neck Seal For 501st approval: Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to the top of the Adam's apple. For level two certification (if applicable): Prohibited for a accurate style costume Existing image E-11 Blaster For 501st approval: Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the E-11 is standard-issue for many Imperial troops. Light, compact yet powerful, the E-11 blaster is always in high demand throughout the galaxy. Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. For level two certification (if applicable): Folding stock. Stock does not need to function. [*]A real or replica ammo counter - based off of a Hengstler counter - should be present. [*]D-ring mounted on the rear. [*]Correct style scope. [*]Two power cylinders on the magazine. [*]Scratch-built, resin cast, Hyperfirm rubber cast blasters should have a total of 6 t-racks on blaster (leaving the lowest row on the Hengstler side un-covered). [*]If using the Hasbro E11 toy blaster, it is modified to have the correct number of T-tracks (6 total), with a lower row of open vent holes on the magazine housing side. [*]This is accomplished by covering the pre-existing rows of holes with T-tracks, then grinding off the lower integrated T-track on the magazine housing side, and drilling a new row of holes in its place. Existing image Hold-out Blaster For 501st approval: Flat or semi-gloss black. Blaster does not have any visible trigger. Blaster is lightly weathered. For level two certification (if applicable): The scope has lens discs cut into the scope for a more realistic appearance. No decals representing cross hairs or similar. No drilled barrels. The screen used ones did not have drilled barrels. Kenner toy blasters, modified Kenner toy blasters or resin recasts of Kenner toy blasters are not acceptable due to the fact they are approximately 10% larger in scale than an accurate style blaster. 1 Link to comment
Harbinger33[501st] Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Really glad to see this being brought in closer to alignment with the TB CRL. Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 As I had asked in the other topic what's the feedback from everyone on the V1.1 proposal,? Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Blackwatch said: As I had asked in the other topic what's the feedback from everyone on the V1.1 proposal,? I have not gone through it yet but was primarily waiting for @furiosa to give her take on it first. I know she's been held up. My main question would be how much do we want to deviate from the original proposal (start of thread) to where the current TB CRL stands (they did an update at Pathfinders after the original proposal we had here was posted)? I ask because I feel like we can't (and shouldn't) continue to try and keep this aligned w/ the Pathfinders CRL forever...for every change they make we would essentially have to revisit this and I don't feel that's reasonable. Even the V 1.1 of the draft is a decent ways off from where they have the TB now in general. Does that make sense what I'm saying? Thoughts? Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 no, you make sense, and I agree. We can put it into whichever working we want. The trick is to make sure we have available kits that match what we write, so not to stray so far off that the available kits arent being produced in order to match the CRL text. Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 regarding the neckseal on these, why do we have it included in the CRL if in the next line, we state that for an accurate costume, it is not worn? To me deleting it and standing the collar up, mandarin style, along with the balaclava is correct for L1 and L2. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Blackwatch said: no, you make sense, and I agree. We can put it into whichever working we want. The trick is to make sure we have available kits that match what we write, so not to stray so far off that the available kits arent being produced in order to match the CRL text. The edits being made will not deviate from kit availability...biker scout armor is biker scout armor...that won't change. At this point, changes and updates occurring here and at the TB are fairly minor details. Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 V 2.2 proposal Submitted for consideration. Required Costume Components Special Notes: The armor parts shall be accurate or close approximation in gloss, semi-gloss black, satin or matte black. Weathering is not acceptable. Armor is made from one of these (or similar) types of materials: Fiberglass ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene). Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy. The following costume components are present and appear as described below. Helmet For 501st approval: Scout style helmet accurate in shape and form. Eye Lens in black, dark green or silver mirrored. Helmet is painted to match armor. Flat or concave elevator bolts. Helmet may have scout detailing or left plain. If detailing is present, it is black or dark grey. For level two certification (if applicable): Details are the correct color and placed as shown. Scout style details are present, either painted or decals. They should contrast the rest of the helmet. Ear Holes are correctly shaped and have no mesh. Black 3M Speedglas bolts or replicas mount the faceplate to the helmet. (Visible bolt head diameter of 22mm). Accurate snout detail and aerator with accurate parts, mounted onto a plate and painted a contrasting black to the helmet. Accurate squared emblem located on the left faceplate "blinder." Accurate rear helmet "bar code" striping pattern. Accurate three lines on center of forehead area. No visible seams on the dome. Optional: Black chin cup. Balaclava For 501st approval: A balaclava is a black head sock/hood that is worn under the helmet and is used primarily to hide any view of the wearer's skin and/or facial hair. Flight Suit For 501st approval: The undersuit is a one or two-piece black textile suit, such as military flightsuits, motorcycle racing suits, industrial work clothing (Dickies), or similar suit modified appropriately. Stand-up collar which conceals the neck and with enclosing strap to keep the collar closed. Must have a suede or faux suede butt flap attached above the waist hidden by the cummerbund, rectangle in shape. The flap is slightly narrower than the width of the trooper and stop slightly higher than the bottom edge of the troopers backside. Suede or faux suede thigh patches must be present, extending over the flight suit crotch and down the front finishing above the knee armor. The thigh patches must be secured by 2" (50mm) black elastic, sewn in under the front and back of the thigh patch. See the Scout Trooper Flight Suit page for detailed images of the patches described below. Suit must not have any visible labels, logos or zippers (including built in flight suit pockets). For level two certification (if applicable): Suit is fairly fitted and not baggy. Real black suede square/ rectangular butt patch attached to flight suit at the rear under where cummerbund will sit . The size will adjust slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale must be noted, no external visible stitching. Size will differ slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale is maintained. Shoulder Armor For 501st approval: Black Elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. They do not have any adornment. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around bicep with a 1.5" (40mm) black elastic strap. Bottom corners are rounded. Optional: Affix top of shoulder bells to shoulder bridge loops. Upper Arm Armor For 501st approval: Armor has a recessed area with a contrasting black "t-bit" detail attached within. Black elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. For level two certification (if applicable): Accurate "T-bit" detail is mounted to armor. T-bit circle detail piece faces forward on each arm. Armor is secured around the arm with a 1.5" (40mm) black elastic strap. Forearm Armor For 501st approval: Black elastic is used to secure the armor around forearm. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around the arm with a 1" (25mm) black elastic strap. Gloves For 501st approval: Black leather and gauntlet length. Detailed gloves include: Black suede or faux suede patches on top of the middle finger, index finger, and thumb. Four tightly spaced ribs that span the knuckles. There are no labels/logos, clips, or external straps. For level two certification (if applicable): Real black suede leather padding on fingers and inside of thumb and correct gauntlet stitching. Vest For 501st approval: Made out of black fabric. Sleeves are padded and contain ribbing similar to the front of the cummerbund. The sleeves are just slightly longer than the bottom edge of the shoulder armor. Vest has a much wider neck opening than the flight suit. Secured at the back using 2" (50mm) black hook and loop fastener. Vest should be made of same or similar fabric to the cummerbund. For level two certification (if applicable): The vest is separate from the flight suit and cummerbund. Made using the Vest tutorial. Chest Armor For 501st approval: There is a recessed rectangular area present over the right breast that may be painted flat black or left unfinished. The chest and back armor join together over the shoulder and the gap covered with a loop of black fabric. The sides of the chest armor are attached to the back armor with black webbing or elastic. For level two certification (if applicable): Shoulder bridge covers, covering the join between the front and back of the armor, are made of black fabric. Nylon webbing is inaccurate. ]Side under arm chest/back straps are made from 1.5"(40mm) black webbing or elastic strap. Back Armor For 501st approval: The back armor has a center tank attached. The top of the tank is flat with a detail piece painted black. Top detail piece uses the same greeblies as seen on the screen-used ROTJ Biker Scout armor. Top detail piece is painted matte black. The tank has contrasting black stripe detail. Optional: Additional "rank indicators", present on the right side of the tank, can number between 0 to 6 stripes. For level two certification (if applicable): Back and Tank must be two separate parts, no single part back/tank plates will be admissible. Only 1, 4 or 6 stripes on tank are acceptable. Bullet tank on the back armor has accurate greeblie tank topper detail. Tank topper is a separate greeblie to the tank itself. Tank topper is secured with single black colored rivet in the center of the greeblie. Rear tank has properly placed pin striping and a single bottom attachment black rivet. Blinking lights or LED's on the bullet tank are not acceptable. Cummerbund For 501st approval: Made from black fabric. Closes in back with 2" (50mm) hook and loop fastener. Extends from just under the chest armor down to the waist. There is no gap between the belt and cummerbund. Cummerbund should be made of same or similar fabric to the vest. Has a tapered cod section with inverted curve sewn in detail. (Not a chevron) Connects between the legs to the back of the cummerbund by a 2" (50mm) black elastic strap. Front of cummerbund has 5-6 equal ribs stitched, centered between the two black fabric pouches. Ribs are of equal width. Ribs are completely visible between the pouches. Cummerbund touches the bottom of the chest armor. Cummerbund slightly overlaps the belt. For level two certification (if applicable): Made from the Cummerbund tutorial page. The cummerbund is separate from the flight suit and vest. There is no visible external edge stitching on the cummerbund, the cod or pouch flaps. Pouches are made from a matte black heavy cotton or canvas like material . Bottom edge of the pouch flap must be less than half the overall width of the pouch. Pouch size to conform to individual size; should fit in gap between chest armor and belt with minimal overhang. Codpiece must conform to shape pictured in the CRL and source art. Codpiece must not have excessive bunching around groin area. Optional: Codpiece is separate from the cummerbund and attached to either the vest or the flightsuit. Belt and Detonator For 501st approval: The front and four "boxes" of the belt are made of hard material. Hanging from the sides of the belt are hip boxes (drop boxes) connected to the belt by 1.5" (40mm) textile straps. Each drop box strap is threaded behind a side release buckle centered on the strap. Attached to the back of the belt is a rectangular thermal detonator box with short black corrugated hose. Accurate thermal detonator greeblies are attached to the box. The rectangular part of the thermal detonator greeblie, fixed on the left side of the detonator, is the same as used in the rebel Endor trooper rank badge. On the right hand side is the same round greeblie as used on the Scout tank topper. See the detonator detail page for a close up image of the greeblies. The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 2"(50mm) black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single black rivet For level two certification (if applicable): The belt is made from a one-piece construction with no visible gaps, and not separated with fabric in between sections, apart from at the back where the TD box sits. Making any joins in a 3 part belt seamless, is highly recommended. The straps to attached the drop boxes to the belt are made from 1.5" (40mm) black cotton webbing. Drop boxes hang the correct distance from the belt. Nylon webbing is inaccurate. The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 2" (50mm) black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single black rivet. Thermal Detonator end caps to be concave and not flat. Optional: Thermal Detonator must have visible black clips attaching it to the web belt. Optional: Thermal Detonator tube to be wire wrapped and not ribbed tube. Knee Armor For 501st approval: Black elastic is used to secure the armor around the leg. For level two certification (if applicable): Knee armor has two elastic straps: The first is 1"(25mm)) wide and passes through the bottom of the knee armor. The second is 0.5" (12mm) wide and riveted to the top sides of the knee armor Rivets are in black color Boots For 501st approval: Black marine vinyl or leather which is not too glossy in appearance. If leather is used, it should have a similar appearance and sheen to marine vinyl. The soles of the boots are black. A "dog bone" shaped strap covers the bridge of the foot. The boots are secured up the back using 1" (25mm) black hook and loop fastener. The calf of the boot rises to just slightly beneath the knee armor. Slightly textured vinyl is acceptable. For level two certification (if applicable): The boots have slots cut into the heels and sole. The boot sole is a single black color with no visible stitching. Boots that are constructed too wrinkled (i.e not stretched/fitted correctly prior to gluing) or poor in appearance will be refused. Boots made using the "boot tutorial" (available on BSN.net) are the only boots accepted. Leather boots similar in appearance to marine vinyl Scout boots are acceptable. Holster For 501st approval: Attached to the outside right side of the right boot with black rivets. The blaster pistol fits into the holster For level two certification (if applicable): No Straps are permitted. Attached with four black colored rivets. There is no rank striping visible. Optional Accessories: Neck Seal For 501st approval: Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to the top of the Adam's apple. For level two certification (if applicable): Prohibited for an accurate style costume E-11 Blaster For 501st approval: Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the E-11 is standard-issue for many Imperial troops. Light, compact yet powerful, the E-11 blaster is always in high demand throughout the galaxy. Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. For level two certification (if applicable): Folding stock. Stock does not need to function. A real or replica ammo counter, based off of a Hengstler counter, should be present. D-ring mounted on the rear. Correct style scope. Two power cylinders on the magazine. Scratch-built, resin cast, Hyperfirm rubber cast blasters should have a total of 6 t-racks on blaster (leaving the lowest row on the Hengstler side un-covered). If using the Hasbro E11 toy blaster, it is modified to have the correct number of T-tracks (6 total), with a lower row of open vent holes on the magazine housing side. This is accomplished by covering the pre-existing rows of holes with T-tracks, then grinding off the lower integrated T-track on the magazine housing side, and drilling a new row of holes in its place. DLT-19 Heavy Blaster Rifle For 501st approval: Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle is much more powerful with a much greater range than the E-11 blaster. Because of its powerful, long range capabilities, this rifle is commonly used on Imperial controlled planets with large, clear, open areas. Based on a real or replica MG-34 machine gun. Flat or semi-gloss black. Blaster is lightly weathered. For level two certification (if applicable): T-tracks present on the barrel. Ejection port cover added. small disk on left side. Hold-out Blaster For 501st approval: Flat or semi-gloss black. Blaster does not have any visible trigger. Blaster is lightly weathered. For level two certification (if applicable): The scope has lens discs cut into the scope for a more realistic appearance. No decals representing cross hairs or similar. No drilled barrels. The screen used blasters did not have drilled barrels. Kenner toy blasters, modified Kenner toy blasters or resin recasts of Kenner toy blasters are not acceptable due to the fact they are approximately 10% larger in scale than an accurate style blaster Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Would there be any opposition to align the DLT-19x and DLT-20a options currently allowed by the standard biker scout? Allow the T-21 found in the Shadow Squadron 2-pack? Link to comment
762s[TX] Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 12:30 PM, Raider said: Would there be any opposition to align the DLT-19x and DLT-20a options currently allowed by the standard biker scout? Allow the T-21 found in the Shadow Squadron 2-pack? do it! :) Link to comment
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