complete Sithtrooper Belt - CRL Development Discussion

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

Up for review

Belt and Boxes

• All parts finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the color of the entire costume
• The Belt sits flush to the bottom of the belt-ledge on the abdomen
  • Is about 50mm or 2" wide and 8-10mm thick
  • Has no visible openings or fasteners
  • Has the appearance of being flexible
• 6 belt boxes are attached securely to the belt
  • Attached to the front are 2 evenly sized rectangular, horizontal boxes with the appearance of lids, matching the width of the belt. The outer edges of the box are filleted.
  • Front-Right drop box is rectangular, mounted just above the top of the belt and drops down vertically, it is a single box in appearance that has no lid or visible seams. The edges of the box are sharp. The box is mounted to the belt with a piece of material that is 8-10mm thick like a riser. (Gives the appearance of hovering slightly outward from the belt)
  • Front-Left drop box is rectangular, mounted just above the belt and drops vertically down and has the appearance of a lid with a chamfered horizontal edge about 3/4 down from the top. The edges of the box are sharp. The box is mounted to the belt with a piece of material that is 8-10mm thick like a riser. (Gives the appearance of hovering slightly outward from the belt)
  • 2 drop boxes with diagonal recess, towards the side rear, near kidneys on each side, mounted slightly above the belt, has a pronounced appearance of a lid and is deeper in volume than the other boxes. The box is mounted to the belt with a piece of material that is 8-10mm thick like a riser. (Gives the appearance of hovering slightly outward from the belt)
    • There is a diagonal channel on the lid that starts near the top front of the box and extends downwards to the rear.
    • The channel extends around to the sides of the lid.
    • The outermost face of the lid has slightly filleted edges, the rest are sharp.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt is made of flexible PU or rubber type material
• Belt ends must connect behind the front boxes
• Belt is approximately 50mm wide and between 8 to 10mm thick
• The dimensions of the two front boxes are as follows:
  • About 100-110mm wide by 50mm high
  • Outer facing part is about 8mm thick, inner part is curved to match the abdomen
  • The boxes form a slight inverted 'V' shape when viewed by wearer
• The dimension of the front right box
  • Box is flat with sharp edges and is about 14-15mm thick
  • Is about 80 mm wide
  • Is  about 95mm high
• The dimensions of the front-left Box
  • Inner box part attached to belt is 10mm thick
  • Outer lid part is 8mm thicket the top and 4mm thick at bottom below chamfered edge
  • Total width of the box is about 80mm wide
  • Total height of the box is about 100mm
  • The lid has a 45 degree chamfered edge that turns inwards about 64mm down from the top or about 22mm from the bottom
• The dimensions of the side/kidney boxes
  • The total box width is about 75mm
  • The total box height is about 95mm
  • The box lid has a diagonal channel that is about a 4mm wide, starts 25mm from top-front to 25mm up from bottom-back and extends around the sides of the lid
  • 6mm wide channel 8 mm in from front, running around the perimeter of the box forming the lid
  • Total depth of the box is about 26mm

[JoeShoe[TX]]

Belt

• All parts Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the color of the entire costume
• Attached flush to the bottom of the abdomen 
• Made from a material that matches the rest of the armor
• 5 Belt boxes are attached on the front half of the belt
  • 2 'large' drop boxes (measurements here)
    • Diagonal line running across the front face from corner to corner (each box is a mirror of the other)
    • A recess runs around the entire perimeter of the edges of the box approximately (measurement) from the face 
  • 1 'medium' box
  • 1 'medium' drop box
  • 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

I have taken your text and amended it to what I think is correct.

[JoeShoe[TX]]

Is specifying the material for the belt ideal?  Once again, this is similar to the gorget - I think mandating a rubber belt is going to cause more problems.  So long as the material has the appearance of matching the rest of the armor, i wouldnt go as far as to say it has to be rubber(or rubber like).  

There are a large variety of different types of clone belts available, out there, from vaccuformed ABS, to silicone, to foam.  Granted, this is for a costume that existed purely in CGI, but it allowed for troopers of varying needs to have belts that suited their forms/builds best.  

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

On 1/3/2020 at 6:04 PM, JoeShoe said:

Is specifying the material for the belt ideal?  Once again, this is similar to the gorget - I think mandating a rubber belt is going to cause more problems.  So long as the material has the appearance of matching the rest of the armor, i wouldnt go as far as to say it has to be rubber(or rubber like).  

There are a large variety of different types of clone belts available, out there, from vaccuformed ABS, to silicone, to foam.  Granted, this is for a costume that existed purely in CGI, but it allowed for troopers of varying needs to have belts that suited their forms/builds best.  

We can alter the wording to allow for variation in material for L1. The L2 will most likely be PU rubber as that is what we know to be true.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

On 1/3/2020 at 2:04 AM, JoeShoe said:

Is specifying the material for the belt ideal?  Once again, this is similar to the gorget - I think mandating a rubber belt is going to cause more problems.  So long as the material has the appearance of matching the rest of the armor, i wouldnt go as far as to say it has to be rubber(or rubber like).  

There are a large variety of different types of clone belts available, out there, from vaccuformed ABS, to silicone, to foam.  Granted, this is for a costume that existed purely in CGI, but it allowed for troopers of varying needs to have belts that suited their forms/builds best.  

Understandable but as you state comping to CGI clones is quite a bit different from actual costumes.

Take ANH TKs...canvas. Thats it.  even for Level 1 because thats what it is.

That said...Im with @nanotek if there are comparable materials that dont lose look then we can accommodate at base level...but for Level 2 i would expect it to be strictly the one material.

[JoeShoe[TX]]

On 1/4/2020 at 9:14 PM, Raider said:

Understandable but as you state comping to CGI clones is quite a bit different from actual costumes.

Take ANH TKs...canvas. Thats it.  even for Level 1 because thats what it is.

That said...Im with @nanotek if there are comparable materials that dont lose look then we can accommodate at base level...but for Level 2 i would expect it to be strictly the one material.

No problem with that at all.  

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

Ready to finalise

@Raider @gmrhodes13 @JoeShoe @rickyboyblue @ukswrath @Blackwatch

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

Looks good, just wondering if we could modify the following, or bring to L2, at the end of the day if it doesn't appear to have a visible opening it shouldn't matter where the join is as long as it can't be seen for basic approval.

Has no visible openings or fasteners with each end of the belt connecting behind the front horizontal boxes

Has no visible openings or fasteners ideally each end of the belt connecting behind the front horizontal boxes

Or 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Each end of the belt must connect behind the front horizontal boxes 

 

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

23 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:

Looks good, just wondering if we could modify the following, or bring to L2, at the end of the day if it doesn't appear to have a visible opening it shouldn't matter where the join is as long as it can't be seen for basic approval.

Has no visible openings or fasteners with each end of the belt connecting behind the front horizontal boxes

Has no visible openings or fasteners ideally each end of the belt connecting behind the front horizontal boxes

Or 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Each end of the belt must connect behind the front horizontal boxes 

 

Updated, moved to L2

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

I'm not sure if the two front boxes use spacers/risers, in the images there is little to no gap, I think because these boxes are on a slight V, but the side boxes definitely do have spacers/risers (thinner in the middle of the boxes so either a material which compresses or is curved to match the belt) which appears to keep them outwards away from the thighs.

Any thoughts?

I could be over thinking it and they may actually be quite compressed on the front.

Perhaps drop the thickness from L1 and move to L2

 

 

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

17 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:

I'm not sure if the two front boxes use spacers/risers, in the images there is little to no gap, I think because these boxes are on a slight V, but the side boxes definitely do have spacers/risers (thinner in the middle of the boxes so either a material which compresses or is curved to match the belt) which appears to keep them outwards away from the thighs.

Any thoughts?

I could be over thinking it and they may actually be quite compressed on the front.

Perhaps drop the thickness from L1 and move to L2

 

 

You're absolutely right, I forgot to remove the front two boxes from the riser. The front two boxes definitely have a back part that is curved to allow for better fit. Updated. Have moved the "riser" text to each box that requires it

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

DO we want to put in dimensions of all the boxes for L2, I have a pretty good estimation based on the 1:6 scale toy and the reference pics

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

I don't normally see dimensions on most CRL's (I think IOC is about the only one) really depends how difficult you want L2 to be. Personally I would say either NO are add in "as close to" or "approximate" to the wording. 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

We have handled L2 and L3 equally here (hence no L3 in Spec Ops CRLs)...and so details and measures at L2 aren't out of the question.  Our Mudtrooper CRL has some measures on belt drop boxes...can add with "approximate" if the measures are not known...it wouldn't be abnormal for us persay.  If they are an unknown, can leave them off.

[JoeShoe[TX]]

I would say approximations would be good for L2.  Having no specified number will allow individuals to scale appropriately to their needs, but still have a guide so far as where everything should be.  We have enough references to provide measurements.  

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

I have added in measurements for L2, might need a little tidying up. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

weve got a lot of measurements in Del but since it has to be specific to the wearer, we have a base measurement as well as L2 level "must be proportional to the wearer:. 

If some one is going to make a kit of this, then lthe belt should, -should I say- be the right size for the kit, but that's not always the case. 

Once we get the text the way we want it we need to clean up and standardize the measurements IN (mm). 

[JoeShoe[TX]]

are we talking the belt itself? or the boxes?  IMO, the belt itself shouldnt change size (other than length, of course).  The boxes are what will look "off" if theyre not proportional to the wearer, although ive yet to see examples of anyone drastically larger or smaller in the kit.  

[RAIDER[COTG]]

On 5/11/2020 at 12:21 PM, JoeShoe said:

are we talking the belt itself? or the boxes?  IMO, the belt itself shouldnt change size (other than length, of course).  The boxes are what will look "off" if theyre not proportional to the wearer, although ive yet to see examples of anyone drastically larger or smaller in the kit.  

I believe we were discussing the boxes.

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

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