PROPOSED CRL MODIFICATION: Inferno Squad Del Meeko

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Change Log 1.1 (FINAL TEXT)

 

Imperial Officer style Under Belt The belt is constructed from leather or a leather-like material. A very slight texture is acceptable.  Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops or extra holes on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the left side of the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm)  radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of non-textured leather. Two parallel grooves run the length of the belt  1/8" (3.1mm) in from edge.  Snap is worn to the left of the wearer 1" (25mm) from the buckle edge. Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Moving  onward, this is the discussion for the Over belt part of the rig.  

Over Belt

• - The belt is made of gloss black plastic material and fastens at the back of the waist with a textile material (webbing). 
  + The over belt consist of "5 boxes belt" attached with a leather stip thiner than the under belt.
  + "5 boxes belt" is painted glossy black
• - Sits on top of the under belt with the top third or so of the under belt buckle showing
• - Five gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar plastic are attached to a 1.5" strip, and both are attached to the base belt -> wrong / unclear
  + "5 boxes belt" is a one piece construction in resin / ABS / similar plastic
• - There are special-shaped boxes on left and right which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photo.
  •             - 8 rivets in total are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right of the special shaped boxes.
• - Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by a black leather or leather like straps.
  •       - Contains quick release buckles on the front and back.
• - Two black "scout" pouches are filled and worn at the back of the belt + they leave room for the thermal detonator in the middle.
• - Belt closes in back behind the thermal detonator. + right side of the wearer, under 5 boxes belt right edge (will post 3d model view under Ref #7)
• - Belt and components may be lightly weathered silver.
• - The webbing is made of leather or leather-like material. 
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  + 5 boxes belt is made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer.  Regular Scout Trooper belt is not accurate, proportions are too big and the design is not accurate.
  + Too visible weathering on the "5 boxes belt" is not accurate, must be quite discreet

Removals in red strikethrough

Additions in Orange.

Text  changes are in green.

Change Log 1 

Over Belt

•  
  The over belt consist of 5  gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar plastic , mounted to a leather or leather like waist strap which  closes under the thermal detonator. 
• The waist strap is approximately 1.5" (40mm) wide. 
• The over belt is worn around the under belt, so that the top third of the under belt shows above the overbelt. 
• There are special-shaped boxes on left and right of the 3 central boxes which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photos.
  • A total of 8 rivets are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right at the edge of the special-shaped boxes.
• Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by  1.5" (40mm) wide black leather or leather like straps. The strap is and as long as necessary to allow the box to hang on the wearers right hip. 
• The strap is attached to the front of the overbelt through a slot on the right side of the central box. The back end of the strap goes behind the underbelt, to the left side of the thermal detonator. 
  • The hip box strap has 1.5" (40mm) quick release buckles on the front and back.  Each buckle is attached at the mid point of the strap. 
  • Two black canvas "scout" pouches are filled and worn at the back of the belt leaving sufficient room for the thermal detonator mounted between them. 
• - Belt closes in back behind the thermal detonator. + right side of the wearer, under 5 boxes belt right edge (will post 3d model view under Ref #7)
• - Belt and components may be lightly weathered silver.
• - The webbing is made of leather or leather-like material. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

+ 5 boxes belt i The  rigid front portion of the outer belt is made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer.  The over belt boxes may be lightly stained or weathered.  Silver is not permitted. 

[TX-20113[501st]]

16 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

Moving  onward, this is the discussion for the Over belt part of the rig.  

Over Belt

• - The belt is made of gloss black plastic material and fastens at the back of the waist with a textile material (webbing). 
  + The over belt consist of "5 boxes belt" attached with a leather stip thiner than the under belt.
  + "5 boxes belt" is painted glossy black
• - Sits on top of the under belt with the top third or so of the under belt buckle showing
• - Five gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar plastic are attached to a 1.5" strip, and both are attached to the base belt -> wrong / unclear
  + "5 boxes belt" is a one piece construction in resin / ABS / similar plastic
• - There are special-shaped boxes on left and right which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photo.
  •             - 8 rivets in total are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right of the special shaped boxes.
• - Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by a black leather or leather like straps.
  •       - Contains quick release buckles on the front and back.
• - Two black "scout" pouches are filled and worn at the back of the belt + they leave room for the thermal detonator in the middle.
• - Belt closes in back behind the thermal detonator. + right side of the wearer, under 5 boxes belt right edge (will post 3d model view under Ref #7)
• - Belt and components may be lightly weathered silver.
• - The webbing is made of leather or leather-like material. 
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  + 5 boxes belt is made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer.  Regular Scout Trooper belt is not accurate, proportions are too big and the design is not accurate.
  + Too visible weathering on the "5 boxes belt" is not accurate, must be quite discreet

Removals in red strikethrough

Additions in Orange.

Text  changes are in green.

Change Log 1 

Over Belt

• - The belt is made of gloss black plastic material and fastens at the back of the waist with a textile material (webbing). 
  + The over belt consist of "5 boxes belt" attached with a leather stip thiner than the under belt.
  + "5 boxes belt" is painted glossy black
• - Sits on top of the under belt with the top third or so of the under belt buckle showing
• - Five gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar plastic are attached to a 1.5" strip, and both are attached to the base belt -> wrong / unclear
  + "5 boxes belt" is a one piece construction in resin / ABS / similar plastic
• - There are special-shaped boxes on left and right which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photo.
  •             - 8 rivets in total are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right of the special shaped boxes.
• - Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by a black leather or leather like straps.
  •       - Contains quick release buckles on the front and back.
• - Two black "scout" pouches are filled and worn at the back of the belt + they leave room for the thermal detonator in the middle.
• - Belt closes in back behind the thermal detonator. + right side of the wearer, under 5 boxes belt right edge (will post 3d model view under Ref #7)
• - Belt and components may be lightly weathered silver.
• - The webbing is made of leather or leather-like material. 

Now here comes a bunch of fresh screenshots i did this weekend. Yep, i had too much time 

[TX-20113[501st]]

And here you can clearly see the width of the belt compared to the under belt

[TX-20113[501st]]

13 minutes ago, TX-20113 said:

And here you can clearly see the width of the belt compared to the under belt

And a bit closer so you can see the differences between the width of the Scout boxes, that leather strap holding them and the Officers belt

[areilly]

Here's some of the hidden bits in the over belt. the back part doesn't show any buckles or adjustments, but since most of it is covered anyways it wouldnt be hard to hide a buckle in there. as before the scout pouches are attached with magic. back strap of the hip pouch also has a magic attachment. Also worth noting is that in the 3d model the belt boxes are a single mesh/part, the rivets/separation of the 2 boxes on the side are shown in the textures so they are in "reality" separate parts attached with rivets.

 

[TX-20113[501st]]

And here is one of my favorite points with the over belt. That strap of the hanging box which is going underneath the belt on the back. To me it clearly looks like it is even going under the underbelt.

It is not attached on the same strap as the scout boxes are! And there also is no loop. In my opinion we can keep the loop option for L1 and a hidden attachement inside the officers belt for L2. 

[TX-20113[501st]]

13 minutes ago, areilly said:

 

 

One thing i don't get is, why does the game clearly show that the endings of the plastic are close to the leather strap, but here they look apart from it. I am still confused with the 3D models? forgive me. 

 

 

[areilly]

33 minutes ago, TX-20113 said:

One thing i don't get is, why does the game clearly show that the endings of the plastic are close to the leather strap, but here they look apart from it. I am still confused with the 3D models? forgive me. 

I think its only really noticeable from that artificial top-down view - from any normal angle it appears flush.

also with the hip belt attachment, including the under belt doesn't make it any clearer either - the belts even overlap

[TX-20113[501st]]

2 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Two black canvas "scout" pouches are filled and worn at the back of the belt leaving sufficient room for the thermal detonator mounted between them

I would make it a wearers option how to attache the scout pouches because it's not clear how they are attached. In my opinion they are hanging on the horizontal leather strap of the tactical vest

It's not clear, so some weeks ago we already had that discussion. Maxime and i agreed with making it the wearers choice if it will be attached on the scout belt's strap or on the vest strap. 

[TX-20113[501st]]

2 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

canvas

Yeah! ?

[TX-20113[501st]]

13 hours ago, TX-20113 said:

 

But this way of building the Scout belt could be amazing for L2 ?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Im glad you pulled those shots.  I had that suspicion and you confirmed it.  if it was ME building it I would put it on with a Chicago screw (blind screw) on the Officer belt with the overbelt hiding that. It still passes under the officer belt and terminates just like the source graphic.    The game creators honestly made our jobs SO MUCH EASIER than we had it just a few years ago trying to figure out game bits, but "magic" doesn't help with mounting. 

I agree with both of you that the scout pouches are hung from the chest rig back strap.   That said, if we go weaerers option, we need to define an L2, and further define for specialist. 

I would like to write it that for L2 it is hung from the leather tac vest strap. which will also go for Specialist applicants. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

On 5/4/2020 at 1:53 PM, TX-20113 said:

Change Log 1 .1

Over Belt

•  
  The over belt consist of 5  gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar plastic , mounted to a leather or leather like waist strap which  closes under the thermal detonator. 
• The waist strap is approximately 1.5" (40mm) wide. 
• The over belt is worn around the under belt, so that the top third of the under belt shows above the overbelt. 
• There are special-shaped boxes on left and right of the 3 central boxes which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photos.
  • A total of 8 rivets are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right at the edge of the special-shaped boxes.
• Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by  1.5" (40mm) wide black leather or leather like straps. The strap is and as long as necessary to allow the box to hang on the wearers right hip. 
• The strap is attached to the front of the overbelt through a slot on the right side of the central box. The back end of the strap goes behind the underbelt, to the left side of the thermal detonator. 
  • The hip box strap has 1.5" (40mm) quick release buckles on the front and back.  Each buckle is attached at the mid point of the strap. 
  • Two black canvas "scout" pouches are filled and worn at the back of the belt leaving sufficient room for the thermal detonator mounted between them. 
• - Belt closes in back behind the thermal detonator. + right side of the wearer, under 5 boxes belt right edge (will post 3d model view under Ref #7)
• - Belt and components may be lightly weathered silver.
• - The webbing is made of leather or leather-like material. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

+ 5 boxes belt i The  rigid front portion of the outer belt is made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer.  The over belt boxes may be lightly stained or weathered.  Silver is not permitted. 

 

 

I just got a phone call to go to a contract job in Mobile.  I will return to this discussion tomorrow. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Blackwatch
updated to relect CL 1.1

[TX-20113[501st]]

3 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

I would like to write it that for L2 it is hung from the leather tac vest strap. which will also go for Specialist applicants. 

I agree ?

2 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

 

 

I just got a phone call to go to a contract job in Mobile.  I will return to this discussion tomorrow. 

Looks good to me ?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Scout Style pouches

I would like to split out the Scout style pouches as a separate piece because I believe leaving it as a single line item will add confusion.  I believe it should have its own sub section. 

PROPOSAL: 

Scout Style Pouches

Two "scout" style pouches are made of black matte canvas or canvas like material 

The  "scout" style pouches which are filled to appear full, and worn at the back of the belt.  The pouches will leave sufficient room for the Thermal Detonator mounted between them.

Pouches are proportional to the size of the wearer and match in-game references. 

Pouches may be hung from the tactical vest waist strap, or from the over-belt strap, at the wearers choice. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Scout style pouches match in game references.

Pouches are mounted to the tactical vest waist strap.

Bottom edge of the pouch flap is less than half the overall width of the pouch.

Pouch outer flap has a  stitch set back 5/16" (8mm) from the edge. 

 

 

 

 

[TX-20113[501st]]

10 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

Scout Style pouches

I would like to split out the Scout style pouches as a separate piece because I believe leaving it as a single line item will add confusion.  I believe it should have its own sub section. 

PROPOSAL: 

Scout Style Pouches

Two "scout" style pouches are made of black matte canvas or canvas like material 

The  "scout" style pouches which are filled to appear full, and worn at the back of the belt.  The pouches will leave sufficient room for the Thermal Detonator mounted between them.

Pouches are proportional to the size of the wearer and match in-game references. 

Pouches may be hung from the tactical vest waist strap, or from the over-belt strap, at the wearers choice. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Scout style pouches match in game references.

Pouches are mounted to the tactical vest waist strap.

Bottom edge of the pouch flap is less than half the overall width of the pouch.

Pouch outer flap has a  stitch set back 5/16" (8mm) from the edge. 

 

 

 

 

Well, looks good to me ?

 

Adding some screenshots so others can see what we are talking about.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Ok, so would it be fair to say we are happy with the Change Log 1.1 and the pouch proposal?    lock those down and move on?  

[TX-20113[501st]]

@areilly hey there. Could you give us the measures of the scout style pouches, please? ?

[areilly]

6 hours ago, TX-20113 said:

@areilly hey there. Could you give us the measures of the scout style pouches, please? ?

Getting the measurements was a bit tricky, since the model is bit lumpy/rounded off since the pouches are stuffed, so I tried to get an average measurement between the different sides and the left/right pouches

the Scout Trooper CRL has this:

Quote

Pouch size is ideally 6 inches high, 5 inches wide and 2 inches deep.
Bottom edge of the pouch flap is between 2 and 2.5 inches in width.

and that's pretty close to what I was getting from the model +/- 1cm, so I'd say we go with the same measurements

[TX-20113[501st]]

Ok. I thought the inferno pouches would be smaller than the scout pouches ? 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

alight then, Ill make that change and update the CL for the scout pouch.

 

Change Log 1.0

Scout Style Pouches

Two "scout" style pouches are made of black matte canvas or canvas like material 

The  "scout" style pouches which are filled to appear full, and worn at the back of the belt.  The pouches will leave sufficient room for the Thermal Detonator mounted between them.

Pouches are a maximum of 6 inches tall, 5 inches wide and 2 inches (152 mm tall0 x 127mm wide and 50.8mm deep). The lower edge of the flap will not be wider than 2 1/2" (63.5mm).

Pouches are proportional to the size of the wearer and match in-game references. 

Pouches may be hung from the tactical vest waist strap, or from the over-belt strap, at the wearers choice. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Scout style pouches match in game references.

Pouches are mounted to the tactical vest waist strap.

Bottom edge of the pouch flap is less than half the overall width of the pouch.

Pouch outer flap has a  stitch set back 5/16" (8mm) from the edge. 

 

[TX-20113[501st]]

20 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

alight then, Ill make that change and update the CL for the scout pouch.

 

Change Log 1.0

Scout Style Pouches

Two "scout" style pouches are made of black matte canvas or canvas like material 

The  "scout" style pouches which are filled to appear full, and worn at the back of the belt.  The pouches will leave sufficient room for the Thermal Detonator mounted between them.

Pouches are a maximum of 6 inches tall, 5 inches wide and 2 inches (152 mm tall0 x 127mm wide and 50.8mm deep). The lower edge of the flap will not be wider than 2 1/2" (63.5mm).

Pouches are proportional to the size of the wearer and match in-game references. 

Pouches may be hung from the tactical vest waist strap, or from the over-belt strap, at the wearers choice. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Scout style pouches match in game references.

Pouches are mounted to the tactical vest waist strap.

Bottom edge of the pouch flap is less than half the overall width of the pouch.

Pouch outer flap has a  stitch set back 5/16" (8mm) from the edge. 

 

It's good ?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

On 5/4/2020 at 1:53 PM, TX-20113 said:

Change Log 1 .1(FINAL)

Over Belt

•  
  The over-belt consists of 5 gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar plastic, mounted to a leather or leather like waist strap which closes under the thermal detonator. 
• The waist strap is approximately 1.5" (40mm) wide. 
• The over belt is worn around the under belt, so that the top third of the under belt shows above the ove-rbelt. 
• There are special-shaped boxes on left and right of the 3 central boxes which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photos.
  • A total of 8 rivets are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right at the edge of the special-shaped boxes.
• Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by  1.5" (40mm) wide black leather or leather-like straps. The strap is and as long as necessary to allow the box to hang on the wearers right hip. 
• The strap is attached to the front of the over-belt through a slot on the right side of the central box. The back end of the strap goes behind the under-belt, to the left side of the thermal detonator. 
  • The hip box strap has 1.5" (40mm) quick release buckles on the front and back.  Each buckle is attached at the mid point of the strap. 
  •  

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
The  rigid front portion of the outer belt is made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer.  The over belt-boxes may be lightly stained or weathered.  Silver is not permitted. 

 

Change Log 1.1 (FINAL)

Scout Style Pouches

Two "scout" style pouches are made of black matte canvas or canvas-like material.

The  "scout" style pouches are filled to appear full and worn at the back of the belt.  The pouches will leave sufficient room for the Thermal Detonator mounted between them.

Pouches may be hung from the tactical vest waist strap, or from the over-belt strap, at the wearers choice.

Pouches are a maximum of 6 inches tall, 5 inches wide and 2 inches (152 mm tall0 x 127mm wide and 50.8mm deep). The lower edge of the flap will not be wider than 2 1/2" (63.5mm).

Pouches are proportional to the size of the wearer and match in-game references. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Scout style pouches match in game references.

Bottom edge of the pouch flap is less than half the overall width of the pouch.

Pouch outer flap has a  stitch set back 5/16" (8mm) from the edge.

[TX-20113[501st]]

2 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

 

Change Log 1.1 (FINAL)

Scout Style Pouches

Two "scout" style pouches are made of black matte canvas or canvas-like material.

The  "scout" style pouches are filled to appear full and worn at the back of the belt.  The pouches will leave sufficient room for the Thermal Detonator mounted between them.

Pouches may be hung from the tactical vest waist strap, or from the over-belt strap, at the wearers choice.

Pouches are a maximum of 6 inches tall, 5 inches wide and 2 inches (152 mm tall0 x 127mm wide and 50.8mm deep). The lower edge of the flap will not be wider than 2 1/2" (63.5mm).

Pouches are proportional to the size of the wearer and match in-game references. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Scout style pouches match in game references.

Bottom edge of the pouch flap is less than half the overall width of the pouch.

Pouch outer flap has a  stitch set back 5/16" (8mm) from the edge.

Yes ???