Proposal for updates to the Army Engineer

[Saifai[TX]]

They also seem to be white or at least white and dirty. They also have the shape of tk boots. So these could be indeed tk boots. Would make sense as he is wearing a tk belt.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

the boots  are short,  no more than 9" which remains below most mens calves but well above the Chelseas I also wear.  You can see this pic of me , I was just approved Specialist last week in the Commuter boot, and compare that to MOPP 4 boots, when tucked in they appear very short, but do not feature the upturn of the Chelsea, nor do they have the U fabric. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

they are not white. This was previously discussed and agreed upon by the CRL Team and the LMO team. they are dity black. As I have previously shown in my dicussions anyone who has ever spent time in the field gets their garrison black boots dirty quickly. I spent a lot of time in the mud and dust in the Army, they were black for about 15 minutes after I hit the ground. 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

@Saifai Let's back track because I don't think I fully understand what you are asking.

First...this thread is regarding the Engineer.  So you must ONLY look at the Engineer for the references, not cross reference with the other troopers (including the Army Trooper).

The current CRL allows for Jackboots (higher boots), but there are no actual comic references that depict this for the Engineer.  This is where the discussion for shorter boots is coming from.

This picture is the best visual reference for the boot for Engineers:

They are up to the calf (but not higher or lower)...this negates Jackboots and TK boots so far as I see.  Additionally, there is no indication of white anywhere in this reference.  The officer in the same picture has black boots with the same dirty coloring.

The next best reference is this picture (middle trooper standing with TK belt):

Again...I see no evidence for white in that.  A good indicator of this is the difference between the TK/TK belt colors and the boots...not the same, not close.  If anything, the boots are a closer color to the Army Trooper with the helmet (green)...but as established in the first picture shown...the boots are dirty (hence the color).  Also note, that these boots go to mid shin...a TK boot stops just above the ankle (I have a TK and a TD).

So...with all of that established, I hope that answers your questions...again, I'm not exactly sure what your question/goal may be...so hopefully this info helps.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

P.S.  Both the Army Trooper and Engineer are undergoing updates.  If your intent is to finish your costume soon, then build to the current CRLs...however, if you think it will take longer then build to what you are seeing in this update.

Once the update is published, LMOs post a notification to GMLs (that is dated) and there is normally a grace period granted to those that were in mid-build (around a month).

Lastly...I forgot to mention...the use of TK belts by these characters is not their standard uniform.  In the story, they salvage the belts and other gear from fallen Stormies as they prepare a last stand.  We will allow the belts as optional...but there is no link between the belts and the boots in terms of the characters original uniform.

[Saifai[TX]]

Ok. Btw i was always talking about the engineer. ?

[Saifai[TX]]

Btw the only update for the engineer will be the boots and the tk belt. Correct?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Yes, just boots and ROTJ belt The belt will not be grafted into the CRL until the revision is posted.  We do not have a timeline for that. 

[SpaceWelder[501st]]

While we're talking about updates, has anyone talked about the cargo pockets?  The CRL mentions a full appearance for Level 2 certification.  I'm new here, but if the attached image is the reference for this parameter, I'd call it a bellowed pocket.  My .02.

Thanks!

[RAIDER[COTG]]

53 minutes ago, SpaceWelder said:

While we're talking about updates, has anyone talked about the cargo pockets?  The CRL mentions a full appearance for Level 2 certification.  I'm new here, but if the attached image is the reference for this parameter, I'd call it a bellowed pocket.  My .02.

Thanks!

Thx for input.  Im not sure the difference between definitions is vastly different (billowed vs full)...but full probably translates a bit better for international members (not that CRLs arent full of technical jargon...they absolutely are).  Working a build @SpaceWelder?

[SpaceWelder[501st]]

1 hour ago, SpaceWelder said:

"I'd call it a bellowed pocket"

Aaaand I'd be wrong.  As I just learned, a "bellowed pocket" has the pleat on the front panel.  A "gusseted pocket" has the thin side panel like I see here.  FWIW.

 

Thanks!

[SpaceWelder[501st]]

20 minutes ago, Raider said:

Working a build @SpaceWelder?

Indeed!  I'll post my WIP once I get started in earnest.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

if we write the standart to say "full" everyone can acheive that with minimal investment in either a person to do alterations, or in purchasing a separate suit to cut up and use to make the expansion panel. ive done it on a bunch of Rebel geat to meet the standard, and trying to sew that gusset was a beast. I have no idea how they do it in the factory.  On mine, I stuffed the patch pocket with a block of hard foam. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Our final text for the Engineer shall be :

FINAL

Boots Below the calf black leather or leather like material. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Pants legs shall be tucked into boots and fluffed to give appearance of original source art. Weathering of boots is encouraged.

TK Ammo Belt

Belt face is made of white plastic (TK ammo belt). 

The soft belt proper is made of canvas, or material with a canvas covering. Size must be 2.75” (70 mm) to 3.25”(83 mm) wide and not wider than the plastic portion of the belt. The color is be white to off-white.

The drop boxes dangle from the sides of the front plastic belt (ammo belt) via white straps and are aligned under the plastic tabs of the ammo belt.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

ROTJ style TK ammo belt.  

No buttons are present on belt.

Drop boxes shall be ANH Stormtrooper size, not ROTJ stormtrooper size. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Wanna throw out a minor change to the belt pouches.  Since none are visible , its been discussued that zippers and zipper pulls should not be visible.  This is not covered in the CRL. 

So, with a line, we can remove any zippers.  They can easily be covered with a layer of fabric tape *light tight weave military webbing* or the pouch could be flipped upside down.  The pulls shall be removed or completely hidden. 

Proposal , new text in orange

BELT POUCHES

 

Belt pouches are olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material. A minimum of 4 small pouches are required, which may consist of any combination of double handcuff, small utility pouches, magazine pouches or other molle style pouches of similar size. Two pouches should be placed in front - One on each side of the belt buckle where the harness meets the belt. The remaining pouches may be placed anywhere on the sides or back of the belt. Any additional OD green MOLLE style pouches are encouraged to fill out the belt, but are not required.  Pouches with zippers shall have the zippers covered or concealed either with a matching fabric or tight weave webbing. Zipper pulls are either removed or hidden from view.

 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

excellent.  thank u.  we will update this and add similar verbiage alongside the army trooper as well

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I think we need to add this to all the Army trooper variants.