Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Proposed Imperial Death Trooper CRL Update Feedback and discussion will be open from now until 01 June 2020. It has been almost three and half years since the release of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and since then there have been many high quality photos of the Death Trooper released and with the re-emergence of the Death Trooper in Star Wars: The Mandalorian once again the spotlight is shining brightly on the Empire’s Elite Special Operations Forces. For the last few months, the Spec Ops Staff have been working on an updated CRL. This will align the CRL with what we now know about the Death Trooper and its armor and provide needed clarification for many questions the Spec Ops Staff have received from GMLs over the last few years. The Death Trooper will be divided into Versions. Version 1 will be the basic Death Trooper. Version 2 with be called “The Specialist Variant” and will include version 1 requirements and add in the “optional accessories” equipment of the pauldron, chest rig with magazines, and the fragmentation grenades. This will also help GMLs to view each individual piece of armor for initial Version 1 approval and then view Version 2 with the “Specialist” equipment. Additionally, we have now included Level 2 requirements so that Death Troopers can take their armor to the next level and submit for the 501st Special Operations “Specialist” Program. This is not to be confused with the Version 2 “Specialist Variant.” Accommodations were considered for all the current Death Trooper armor makers’ kits when proposing the updates. This will allow individuals who are currently in the process of building kits to continue with what they have and not have to buy new pieces or change what they have right now. Almost all the changes to the CRL are cosmetic and clarifications to what is currently in the CRL. As the items are listed, there may be additional links to photos that we used when working out the details of the updates. Some of those links will become part of the CRL are “reference photos” and will assist builders and GMLs as they go through the build or approval process. Other links maybe inserted as the photos or comments were used when we discussed the updates and will provide answers for many questions as to how or why we came up with the changes. This “Proposed Update” will be posted in this sub-forum for public discussion and input. There have been discussions recently of how certain pieces of the Death Trooper armor were constructed and attached with other pieces, but because none of that is visible when the costume is worn, it was not considered a requirement for the CRL. Keep in mind that the CRL is not intended to be a detailed “how a costume was constructed” document but rather a visual guide to be used for 501st costume approval. There have been no changes to “how a piece was attached or strapped to another” nor will there be any updates to the CRL which reflect that. To put it in layman’s terms; If it looks like a Death Trooper, walks like a Death Trooper, and talks like a Death Trooper, then it is a Death Trooper. Description: Imperial Death Trooper Version 1 “Basic” Prefix: TX Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment Context: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Death troopers were an elite variant of the Galactic Empire's stormtroopers. They served as protective details and bodyguards for important Imperial officers. They also acted as guards for officers in the Tarkin Initiative. They wore black suits of armor and specialized helmets that scrambled verbal communications. Death troopers were trained in unarmed combat, heavy weapons, and sniping. As they specialized in commando missions, the troopers were experts at covering their tracks, leaving little evidence of their missions. Costume Weathering: ● The costume's armor and hard pieces are gloss black. ● The Death Trooper costume may be slightly weathered to produce a worn look. The weathering must be uniform across all costume parts. If weathered, a light grey or white tint paint wash, or dry brush technique, or powder dusting may be used to create the oxidized or dirty effect. More information can be found on the SpecOps Detachment Forums. https://imgur.com/a/lIiZAxN Contrasting Color Scheme: ● Some parts have a contrasting color scheme between gloss black, matte or metallic black, matte silver, or matte dark gray. More information can be found on the SpecOps Detachment Forums. https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Some parts have addition colors to highlight recesses or grooves. These are defined in each piece’s description along with reference photos. Black text indicates a feature that is required for approval. Blue text denotes requirements for Level 2 "Specialist” but is not required for basic approval. Red text indicates features that take the prop/costume item to an even higher level of accuracy. For 501st membership only the requirements listed in black need to be met. Special Notes: ● The armor parts shall be gloss and made from one of these types of materials or like materials: Fiberglass, PLA, PETG, ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene), or HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene). ● If any of the parts are 3D printed there shall be no visible print lines ● Blasters are not required for Legion membership per our weapons policy. This Visual Guide has been reviewed by the detachment staff and the LMO team and is certified for use as a minimum approval guideline for GMLs. GMLs are free to approve this costume type. ● This document is not intended to be a detailed how-to on costume construction; rather a visual guide to be used for 501st costume approval. Details on construction may be found on the respective costume detachment web forum. ● GMLs uncertain about an aspect of submitted costume shall post questions in the appropriate DL/GML peer review section of the Legion forum. ● Measurements given in this document are intended to be approximate and generalized and are not criteria for Level 1 approval but may be required for Level 2 requirements. ● Requirements for all 501st costumes are proportional to the wearer in scale, fit and size. ● Text descriptions are only one part of the guideline. GML's and costumers must consider both text and pictures (CRL and Reference) when reviewing the costume. Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below. Helmet ● Gloss black in color, consistent with the rest of the costume (Except as where a variance is noted, See Color Scheme Guide) https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Is in proportion to the rest of the costume ● The brow extends out beyond the lenses forming a significant overhang o There is a matte black/rubber stripe extending to the traps on each side ● Matte black/dark grey traps are present on each side o A line extends from the trap to the lower helmet tube forming a side plate ● The eye lens is one continuous piece with a dark green tint and should obscure the wearer’s eyes. ● Helmet has elongated angular face plates separated by a nose bridge o The angular plates are layered in appearance o Alternating metallic black panels starting with <> Left side plate directly under the eye lens <> Right side angular outer face plate <> Left side angular plate closest to the nose bridge ● The nose bridge is matte black color, with a brushed aluminum silver weathered look which extends to the snout and consists of o 4-6 small horizontal rectangular vent/ribs extending from the top of the nose bridge to approximately ¼ way down o 6-8 larger horizontal rectangular vent/ribs run from ⅔ towards the bottom o 7-9 vertical vent/ribs connect from the nose bridge to the snout o Two vent tubes in black rubber or matte black paint are evident on either side of the face plates ● The snout consists of: o A vented greeblie similar to that seen on the Scout Trooper without the aerator <> An oblong tusk on each side fitted with a dark green lens * Each tusk may be optionally fitted with back lighting which is green when illuminated. <> Some small ribs are evident on the curved sections of the oblong tusks, refer to photo for location. o The backing plate for the snout has horizontal rectangular vent/ribs ● There is a silver aluminum in color side panel with eight rectangular vent slots, even in size and spacing on each side of the face plate. o The vents are cut out and lined with steel small mesh and backed with black material o The side panels are slightly weathered with matte black paint ● The side plates below the traps have 3 shapes consisting of o A raised circular shape directly under the trap o A smaller raised circular shape under the larger circle offset to the rear of the side plate o A recessed vertical pill shape that is matte black or dark grey ● There are 9 rectangular traps at the rear of the helmet that are all matte black or dark grey consisting of o A large horizontal rectangular recess with two vertical oblong recesses on the inside o 3 smaller vertical rectangular recesses either side of the large one with the 3rd outermost one having a beveled edge towards the front of the helmet. o 2 small vertical rectangular recesses on the lower curved detail directly under the pills in the large rectangular recess ● The helmet may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Lenses are curved outward in a slight bulge and formed to the eye opening. ● Nose bridge vents/ribs have in these number in order from top to bottom; 6, 8, and 9 ● Shall be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● There is the appearance of a flat black rubber seal around the lower opening of the helmet neck tube which stops at the flat edges of the snout assembly. Undersuit ● Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. Neck seal, apron, poncho, abdomen/kidney, shorts, and elbow/knee gaskets may be attached to or part of the undersuit OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The shoulder and sleeves extending down to the elbow gaskets will be made of a black 1/16th - inches (1 - 2 mm) sewn ribbed “jersey” cloth or similar material The following shall be rubber or a smooth semi-gloss black material with sewn ribs. Neck Seal and Apron ● Neck seal has horizontal ribs approximately 3/8th inches (8 mm) wide ● Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area ● It has a concealed overlap join at the back of the neck ● The neck seal is attached to a black vertical sewn ribbed apron which is made of the same material as the neck seal ● Apron ribs are vertical and approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The apron extends across the front of the chest under the chest armor plate. Poncho ● Vertical ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● May include the neck seal and apron as part of its construction or could be a separate garment ● Where made as a separate garment it may not visible in the neck opening of the chest armor Elbow Gaskets ● Horizontal ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The elbow gaskets must extend from midway up the bicep armor to under the forearm armor covering all exposed areas of the elbow Abdominal/Kidney Gasket ● Diagonally angled down (approximately 30-45 degrees) ribs from back to front, approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide. Sewn lines are acceptable. ● Wraps around the wearer's torso and conceals all undersuit material. Shorts ● Horizontal ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The shorts extend up under the torso armor and belt and shall extend down under the thigh armor and must cover all exposed areas. Knee Gaskets ● Horizontal ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The gasket shall cover all exposed areas of the knee For all the above items: OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The ribs must be stitched/sewn and not stamped or fake stitching and must continue to show sewn ribs when the gaskets are bent. Chest Plate and Shoulder Straps ● Gloss black in color ● Overlaps the abdominal plate ● Attaches to the back plate with shoulder straps that have a rectangular rib detailing, rubber in appearance and matte black in color. ● Ejection seat buckle and D-Ring shall be present on the front of each shoulder strap ● Chest plate extends under the arms to join with the back plate. Method of connection is not visible ● D-Ring is attached to a shorter strap, similar in appearance and size to the shoulder straps with a smooth trapezoid shape at the top end. ● Shall be present on chest plate sides under each arm. They will be angled forward approximately 45 degrees ● The elongated pill shaped recess in the bottom left hand corner of the chest plate must be present. ● The recesses and asymmetric panels may be matte or metallic black (See Color Scheme Guide) https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Chest plate may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Shoulder straps will be rubber with the same appearance as basic, but they will also have a slight inward angled curve following the shape of the neck opening ● Shall be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 Back ● Gloss black in color ● Has neck collar that extends up the back of the neck and tapers towards chest. The front ends of the collar extend over and lay flush with the chest plate. If the collar is separated into two pieces, the join seam will be aligned and as inconspicuous as possible. ● Extends over shoulders to meet chest plate ● Has rectangular backpack with two large square recesses towards the top o Left recess contains a cog with approximately 14 to 16 notches o Right recess has two vertical rectangular blocks with 5 horizontal lines towards the top. Refer to reference photos for specific details. o Rear face of backpack has a horizontal ridge which marks the center of its triangular profile o There is a small three-sided open recessed square outline located along the right edge of the lower section below the upper right corner o A smaller recess with detailing is located towards the bottom left of the backpack with a smaller recessed rectangle, the lower left corner is inverted into the center o Recessed semi-circular detail below and left of the backpack must be present o The recesses may be matte or metallic black (See Color Scheme Guide) https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The left recess cog must have 16 notches ● Both larger recesses have two small tabs located on the top edge and are offset from center and their bottom inside corners are diagonally cut ● Large square recesses have the appearance of being cut outs with the cog and rectangular blocks being inserts. ● Along the center horizontal ridge there is a raised oblong detail centered along the lower edge of the ridge with a small raised circle located below and centered ● The left lower recess rectangle’s lower left corner is inverted into the center and has the appearance of being a cut out with a backing plate applied. ● All recesses will be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 Lower Back ● Gloss black in color ● Is approximately the same width as the back’s rectangular backpack. ● Fitted centered and under the back plate and extends to below the top of the belt ● Begins with a flat edge at the top and tapering outward to straight sides at the bottom ● Has a recessed section with matching raised angular detailing to top section which may or may not be completely visible if covered by the upper back piece ● The horizontal thermal detonator is a circular canister with approximately 14 evenly spaced grooves extending to the end caps and is attached to the lower back armor. o Width is approximately the same as the lower back plate ● Lower back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There are two small notches on the outer 1/5th of each side of the canister approximately 3/4th inches (20 mm) from the inner edge of the end caps and spaced approximately 1 - 1 1/4th inches (25-30 mm) apart on the lower edge of each horizontal grooves. Refer to reference photos for specific details. Shoulder Bells ● Gloss black in color. ● One on each shoulder and are not interchangeable. ● Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other. ● The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical. ● The front edge has an angled graduated step. ● The back edge has a straight downward edge with a rounded bottom corner. ● Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. o The grooves may be a matte black, metallic black, matte silver, or gray. o If coloring is used, the shoulder bells, biceps, forearms, and thighs must match ● Shoulder bells may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There will be minimal spacing between the shoulder bells and the shoulder straps Biceps ● Gloss black in color. ● Bicep armor detailing is mirrored on each arm ● The armor does not wrap the arm rather it extends approximately 3/4 way round the bicep ● It is held in place by one or two black elastic cord straps. ● The top and bottom edges are angled ● The forward-facing edges are angled at the top and bottom. The top edge angle aligns with the diagonal groove on the shoulder bell ● The armor has two vertical cover strips one on the outside of the arm and the other towards the rear. ● Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. o The grooves may be a matte black, metallic black, matte silver, or gray. o If coloring is used, the shoulder bells, biceps, forearms, and thighs must match ● Biceps may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● All grooves will be painted the same paint color scheme as the rest of the arm and leg armor pieces’ grooves Forearms ● Gloss black in color ● Forearms have raised cover strips with small outlining edges, to the front and rear which on the left forearm, end approximately 2 3/8th inches (60 mm) above the wrist ● The ladder detailing is evident and has approximately 13 rungs or 12 indents evenly spaced along its length o The indents’ coloring can be a result of weathering ● Forearms may be completely sealed or closed using a "clam shell" technique on the back seam but must present a completely closed appearance when worn ● Shallow grooves are present in a pattern. o They are asymmetrical on the left and right forearm. Refer to reference photos for details ● Left Forearm o Two bands of rubber or rubber-like material shall be evident near the wrist of the left forearm each having a clip like greeblie with the edge almost aligned with the front cover strip ● Metallic black or weathered silver colored cylindrical detailed parts shall be evident on the left forearm ● Forearms may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Gloves/Handplates ● Gloves are black with black leather or leather-like palm, thumb and forefinger. ● Extend underneath the forearm armor. ● Hand plates are trapezoidal in shape, have a diagonal step across them, and are mounted securely over the back of the glove. ● The raised section of the handplate extends towards the index finger and has an oblong recess on the vertical face ● Handplates may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There is a curved cut out in the forefinger leather Abdomen Section ● Gloss black in color. ● Shall be centered under the chest plate and the lower edge covered by the belt ● There shall be 7 horizontal ribs to the front of the plate with a rectangular plate below. o There must be a minimum of 2-4 visible when worn. o Four small notched squares, two each near the outer edges, are present and extend from the upper horizontal edge of the top six ribs. o The seventh or bottom one has no notches. Refer to reference photos for specific details. ● The rectangular plate is raised in relation to the ribs with rounded corners and a ring indent in the wearer's lower right corner. ● There are four polygons of various size and shape on each side of the abdomen piece with 4 more slanted “ribbed” details along the side of one of the polygons. Refer to reference photos for specific details. ● The asymmetric panels may be metallic black. Refer to Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Abdomen section may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Shall be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 Codpiece ● Gloss black in color. ● Extends under the belt at the top ● Has a “U” shaped recess outline in the center ● A black elastic strap, approximately 1 - 1 1/4th inches (25 - 32 mm) 25mm to 32mm wide, is to be used to connect the cod and butt plates between the legs. ● Codpiece may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Posterior Armor ● Gloss black in color ● Has a raised rectangular section in the center which extends up under the belt. ● A black elastic strap, approximately 1 - 1 1/4th inches (25 - 32 mm) 25mm to 32mm wide, is to be used to connect the cod and butt plates between the legs. ● Posterior armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Belt ● The belt is ribbed and made from rubber or rubber-like material with no visible buckle or fastening mechanism ● There are approximately 28 ribs in total and the belt has an overall width of approximately 3 1/4th inches (84 mm) ● Buckle is brushed aluminum or aluminum-like finish and in the shape of an elongated "D". There are four progressively smaller square edge cutouts in a triangular formation on the wearer's right ● There are three black canvas pouches, approximate dimensions 6 3/4th x 2 3/4th x 1 3/8th inches (170 mm x 70 mm x 35 mm) with a hard plate on each pouch flap. o Pouches will have the appearance of being full ● Two of the pouches are positioned on either side of the belt buckle and equally spaced, the third is located on the wearer's right towards the back on the back of the belt and in close proximity to the right hip square box. ● There are two square boxes approximate dimensions 2 3/4th x 2 3/4th x 1 3/4th inches (70 mm x 70 mm x 46 mm) attached on either side of the belt in a location between the wearer's hip and kidney ● There is a pistol holster located on the wearer's right hip o The holster is made from black leather or leather-like material. It consists of a wide loop around the belt and extending down the thigh with a strap with snap to support the stock of the pistol and a second strap with snap which is secured around the pistol scope ● There is a leather or leather-style pouch, approximate dimensions 4 3/4th x 2 3/8th x 1 inches (120 mm x 60 mm x 25 mm), with a single press stud and no visible stitching located between front pouch and the belt box on the wearer's left ● Belt and belt accessories may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Thighs ● Gloss black in color o Has the appearance of having a front and back section. Two vertical ribbed sections are present on the outer and inner thigh o The ribbed infill shall be made of black rubber, or a semi-gloss black material, or if part of the thigh pieces, have the appearance of being rubber or rubber like material. o The inside thigh ribbed section is wider than the outside ribbed section ● There shall be a raised cover strip to the front with recessed detailing along the edges o The front raised cover strip on the wearer's left thigh shall terminate at a rectangular box greeblie above the knee o The front raised cover strip on the wearer's right thigh includes a raised band running to the outside ● An inverted V-Shaped sniper plate shall be evident on the wearer's right thigh plate above the knee and below the horizontal raised band ● Both thighs shall have a diagonal raised detailing to the front running from the outer ribbed panel to the raise cover strip o This detailing continues from the cover strip to the base of the thigh armor as a recessed groove rather than a raised strip ● The wearer's left thigh armor shall have a rectangular box to the front which narrows in thickness from top to bottom and is centered above the knee ● There are two longer rectangular boxes attached around the outer thigh vicinity of the outer ribbed section ● The base of the rear thigh plates shall have a trapezoidal shaped cutout to allow knee movement. ● The rear thigh plates shall have a recessed groove detailing that arcs upwards from the base of outer edge towards the inner thigh edge. This shall terminate approximately 3/4 way up the inner thigh edge ● The grooves may be matte or metallic black, matte silver, or dark grey and must match the rest of the armor ● Thighs may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● All recesses will be painted the same paint color scheme as the rest of the arm and leg armor grooves/recesses Shins ● Gloss black in color ● There is a raised cover strip to the front and rear that runs full length ● Shallow grooves around the cover strips edges are present in a pattern matching the photo. ● At the bottom of each shin there is a raised angular extension or flap that wraps around the inner ankle forward from the rear cover strip. ● There is a raised strip that begins at the rear vertical cover strip angled up and around the left outside shin and joins the front vertical cover strip. ● If shins are closed with a “clam shell” techniques, rear upper and lower joins will be aligned ● The left shin has 2 small angular greeblies located towards the top at the front. They are on either side of the front cover strip ● The right shin has 4 vertical rectangular bar greeblies on the outside ● Shins may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There is a raised strip that begins at the rear vertical cover strip angled up and around the left outside shin and joins the front vertical cover strip. The top edge of the raised strip is angled and aligned as if it is an extension of the raised angular extension or flap just above the inside ankle ● Optional: There is an indented groove approximately 1/2 inch (13 mm) wide that runs along the inside bottom of both shins from the rear center to the beginning of the front boot arc. This detail is partially covered by the triangular closure flap. Boots ● Boots are made from matte black leather or leather-like material with a capped toe and seams as seen in the photo ● The sole shall have no heel ● The boots extend under the shins. ● All fastenings/laces are hidden behind a rectangular panel made of smooth rubber or a shiny black material with approximately 1/4th inches (6 mm) wide horizontal ribs. ○ The side edges of the panel shall be turned back on themselves to form a smooth rib-less border. ○ The rectangular panel extends from under the shin. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Original Dr Martens “Jered” shoes or replicas with a leather pull tab midway on the heel. ● The rectangular panels shall not be wider than the width of the top of the shoe and will lay as flat as possible against the shoe with the front edge not extending past the upper and sole seam. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for Version 1 (Basic) approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. ● When submitting initial Version 1 (Basic) approval pictures, except for the Neuro-Saav Macromotion (NSM) Monitor, these items will not be worn so GMLs can clearly see all body armor and belt details. o Additional photos with these optional accessories added as a Version 2 (Specialist Variant) may be submitted to GMLs at the same time. If costume photos without optional accessories meet the Version 1 (Basic) approval requirements but photos with optional accessories do not meet the below approval requirements, GMLs may still approve the costume at Version 1 (Basic) level requirements. o Version 1 (Basic) approval by the GML will be required prior to being approved for Version 2 (Specialist Variant) Neuro-Saav Macromotion (NSM) Monitor ● Monitor sits on the left side of the helmet with a 3 mm LED to the front under the emitter slot. ○ If LED is operational, light must be green. Death Trooper SE-14R ● SE-14R Light Repeating Blaster. ● The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place. ● The ejection port is also evident. ● The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size. ● Weathering is optional OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There is a small silver or gray circuit card pattern on the bottom rear just behind the hand grip Death Trooper Blaster E-11D ● Modified E-11. ● The main barrel is extended from in front of the power cell. ● The barrel extension has elongated slots cut into it along each side. ● A Surefire M300 Mini Scout tactical light or equivalent is fitted to the barrel extension. A resin cast is acceptable. ● The folding stock is in place. ● It is fitted with a HK416c retractable stock or similar. ● Laser pointer fitted below barrel with optional working red laser or LED to front. ● All decals/painted details and striping are in place. (Refer to reference photos) (These will be added to the CRL) o The red stripe located towards the rear of the barrel behind the magazine just prior to the stock extension maybe be substituted with a red LED lighted strip. o The two yellow squares inside a red outlined square located towards the rear of the barrel behind the magazine maybe be substituted with two yellow LED lighted squares. o Working red LEDs fitted into the prongs of the counter unit are optional. ● Weathering is optional but where done the barrel heat scorching must be evident. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● All LED, laser pointer, and flashlight options will be working ● The blaster will be the same size and proportions as the Sterling SMG which the blaster is patterned on. Its overall length with the shoulder stock extended should be between 30-32” or 76-82cm. Specialist Long Range Blaster Rifle ● Modified DLT-19 ● Fitted with telescopic scope. A resin cast or equivalent is acceptable. ● Has two tactical spotlight like devices fitted via scope mounts under the flash suppressor. Resin casts or equivalent are acceptable. o These devices are connected to the main body of the rifle via piping that runs along the barrel ● This rifle is not fitted with the M300 tactical light that is seen on the E-11D ● Black in color the rifle may be weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The two tactical spotlight like devices are operational and illuminate white. Version 2 - Death Trooper Specialist Variant (Will be added as an additional tab in the CRL) In addition to Version 1 (Basic) requirements, all the following is required for Version 2 - (Specialist Variant): ● Pauldron o Black leather-like material. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Stitching pattern and shape will match the reference photo ● Chest Rig o Black in color made from cordura nylon, rhino canvas, or similar material. o Wraps around the front of the wearer covering the abdominal plate but not the belt or chest plate. o Webbing strap, approximately 7/8th - 1 1/4th (22 - 32 mm) wrap around the waist, buckling in the back or by looping through a 1 ½” x ¼” (38 x 6 mm) rectangular metal loop on the wear’s left side and then back upon itself. o Two webbing straps, approximately 7/8th - 1 1/4th (22 - 32 mm) run vertically up the chest armor and in through the front of the upper chest D-rings and then down the back of the vertical straps and are secured. There is one square open-faced military style located on each strap o Two short webbing straps, approximately 7/8th - 1 1/4th (22 - 32 mm) from the outside upper corners of the chest rig connect to the lower chest D-Rings o Has six ammo pouches with the two outer pouches on each side of the chest rig having rectangular armor plates covering the front of the pouch. The outermost armor plates contain a diagonal grove detail as seen in the reference photo. <> Each pouch has a HK G3 Ammo Magazine inserted. Resin cast or equivalent is acceptable. <>Three Frag grenades are present and attached to the two center ammo pouches with 1/2 - 3/4 inch straps ● Ammo Pouch o Black leather or leather like material. o Has three MP40 magazine pouches o Worn on left upper chest and attached to either the chest rig vertical strap or the left shoulder strap D-ring. o Cover flaps may be angled or squared o Visible stitching will be black Feedback and discussion will be open from now until 01 June 2020. If you have a comment about a certain item etc, instead of Quoting the whole post, copy and paste just what you are referring to into a new post. This will keep your post smaller and easier to respond to. Actual formatting and indentation symbology will be updated as needed once the Updated CRL is finalized and approved. 4 Link to comment
DHKnecht Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Chaos said: Special Notes: ● The armor parts shall be gloss and made from one of these types of materials or like materials: Fiberglass, PLA, PTEG, ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene), or HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene). Just a quick notice of correction -- PTEG should be PETG, for Polyethylene Terephthalate, Glycol Modified. Otherwise, this revision is incredible. Exactly what I need right now as I just finished printing my full armor set out of PETG from Tom Campbell's files and I am in the process of assembling, sanding and painting everything for final approval. Awesome revision and thanks very much for the detail and hard work! 2 Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, DHKnecht said: Just a quick notice of correction -- PTEG should be PETG, for Polyethylene Terephthalate, Glycol Modified. Thanks for the correction, best of luck on your build! 1 Link to comment
Atraxas[TX] Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Only part id not be happy with is boots.. ive had this stance from day one... Jereds are not easy to get, and i dont feel the need to buy another pair of boots (it really is the least important part of the kit) Talibs are same in principle... so replicas or talibs... would make more sense... imo. 2 Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 58 minutes ago, Atraxas said: Only part id not be happy with is boots.. ive had this stance from day one... Jereds are not easy to get, and i dont feel the need to buy another pair of boots (it really is the least important part of the kit) Talibs are same in principle... so replicas or talibs... would make more sense... imo. @Atraxas Aston, appreciate the feedback. Talibs have always been and will continue to be acceptable for Level 1 approval. Level 2 items are always the same for any CRL, they are the items that take the costume to the next higher level of detail and or screen accuracy. Because the horizontal seam and some ankle padding is seen on the Jereds at the ankle even when the shin armor is worn it becomes part of the higher level detail, much the same way that those pesky little "split rivots" are on the TKs and Shadow Troopers. Though Talibs have the correct toe and sole, the rear part of the Talib has an additional piece of leather on the heel and the leather pull tab is located at the top of the boot. There is stitching on the Jered that resembles the extra piece on the talib heel but the extra piece of leather is narrow and is part of the pull tab on the Jereds. It is for that reason we chose the Jered or replica boot as a Level 2 requirement. I myself have the Talibs and am fully aware that if I wanted to shoot for Level 2 that I must either modify my Talibs to look like the Jereds or purchase replicas. Also there are a few other things I will have to tweak or change on my own set if I want to reach Level 2. I fully understand your opinion but to be realistic, there are many CRLs that have Level 2 or 3 requirements where the items are no longer in original production and are hard to find so we have to resort to replicas. Thank you again for your feedback, it is appreciated. "Chaos" Death Trooper/Shadowtrooper/FO TIE Pilot (in-progress)/FO Sith Trooper (in-progress) 1 Link to comment
RMGFitness Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I know that there had been some debate about a corset style trunk section. I’ve been working on mine and have been playing around with mine and wanted to know if a corset style trunk would be acceptable or should I abandon working on it? 1 Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 8 hours ago, RMGFitness said: I know that there had been some debate about a corset style trunk section. I’ve been working on mine and have been playing around with mine and wanted to know if a corset style trunk would be acceptable or should I abandon working on it? @Chaos can answer better...but if the corset style is an unseen (not including any unintentional "gotcha" costume zoom ups on super HD) construction method it won't be mentioned here. You could do it...but the CRL covers visible components not the underworkings persay (at least most of the time). But again, I defer to Chaos here. 1 Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 And with any CRL update, I should note that those that have already been approved are not affected by the update nor required to meet the new standards. The new standards apply to new trooper submissions following the publishing of the update (usually we ask GMLs to give a month or so grace period for those that may be mid-build), any troopers wishing to achieve Level 2 Specialist (this includes troopers approved prior to the update), and to any troopers who go to "retired" status in their garrison and have to submit for re-approval. 1 1 Link to comment
ionicdesign[LMO] Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Very much so, if you cannot see it, it either is of lesser importance or doesn't matter at all. David is spot on about updates to CRLs. 3 Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 @RMGFitness the corset style strapping that has been worked on by some is definitely acceptable now and after the update. So you can rest assured. Just be cognizant of any strapping components that are visible. For example; the black vertical thigh straps being visible is OK, but a black buckle exposed on the side is not. Good point to bring up, thank you for your feed back, it is much appreciated. Link to comment
AgentDarthMando Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/23/2020 at 1:52 PM, Chaos said: ● Ammo Pouch o Black leather or leather like material. o Has three MP40 magazine pouches o Worn on left upper chest and attached to the chest rig. o Cover flaps may be angled or squared o Visible stitching will be black Does this mean the pouch is meant to be attached to the left vertical strap for the chest rig, rather than between the chest & left shoulder as the current CRL model shows? Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 hours ago, AgentDarthMando said: Does this mean the pouch is meant to be attached to the left vertical strap for the chest rig, rather than between the chest & left shoulder as the current CRL model shows? @AgentDarthMando Ben, Thank you for your feedback, the current CRL says "Worn on left shoulder" the intent was to make sure it was positioned correctly on the front and not too high up on the shoulder and to do away with an extra strap that some people were wearing, they had the ammo pouch slung over the shoulder with an extra strap that ran across their chest. (I have seen it twice and since it says "worn on left shoulder" technically it isn't wrong. So what we did was make it essentially a part of the chest rig assembly, we can modify the statement to this "Worn on left upper chest and attached to either the chest rig vertical strap or the left shoulder strap D-ring." That should make it clearer. Thanks again for your feedback. Link to comment
AgentDarthMando Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 No worries Chris, happy to have helped 1 Link to comment
DHKnecht Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 4/24/2020 at 4:49 AM, Atraxas said: Only part id not be happy with is boots.. ive had this stance from day one... Jereds are not easy to get, and i dont feel the need to buy another pair of boots (it really is the least important part of the kit) Talibs are same in principle... so replicas or talibs... would make more sense... imo. Just wanted to add my $.02. I'm not a 501st member yet as I'm still working on my first build. However, I've been following these forums almost daily for the 2 months I've been working on this. The boot issue is one that has come up before. One guy found some $20 boots that didn't even have the ribbing on the soles and was a little miffed when it was suggested he add that detail, though he was told they would pass Level 1 as is. I just wanted to add my support for the authenticity required by the Jereds for Level 2. Everyone should remember that this requirement is for Level 2 Specialist (not Heavy Weapons Specialist) certification, and not for general approval. This gives us all something to strive for and to be a Specialist means you put forth the extra time, effort and even money to make your suit as authentic as possible. I personally found a pair of Mayer boots so I didn't have to order the "killer" (replica Jereds) from Imperial Boots (not that Imperial Boots are bad, I've read great things, but the wait time was ... interesting). In order to make the Mayer boots fit the Level 2 requirements, I'd need to add stitching, move the pull tab down, and take down the shine a bit. To me, that's what Level 2 authenticity is all about, and people who go through that extra step should be rewarded, while those with Level 1 are still pretty remarkable as this is one of the most difficult suits to build (from what I've read). Again, I'm new, but I want to commend the staff on an excellent job on the revisions and the balance between approvable Level 1 and authentic Level 2. Here's waiting to see if there is ever a Level 3 ... Don K. 2 1 Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 5 hours ago, DHKnecht said: Just wanted to add my $.02. I'm not a 501st member yet as I'm still working on my first build. However, I've been following these forums almost daily for the 2 months I've been working on this. The boot issue is one that has come up before. One guy found some $20 boots that didn't even have the ribbing on the soles and was a little miffed when it was suggested he add that detail, though he was told they would pass Level 1 as is. I just wanted to add my support for the authenticity required by the Jereds for Level 2. Everyone should remember that this requirement is for Level 2 Specialist (not Heavy Weapons Specialist) certification, and not for general approval. This gives us all something to strive for and to be a Specialist means you put forth the extra time, effort and even money to make your suit as authentic as possible. I personally found a pair of Mayer boots so I didn't have to order the "killer" (replica Jereds) from Imperial Boots (not that Imperial Boots are bad, I've read great things, but the wait time was ... interesting). In order to make the Mayer boots fit the Level 2 requirements, I'd need to add stitching, move the pull tab down, and take down the shine a bit. To me, that's what Level 2 authenticity is all about, and people who go through that extra step should be rewarded, while those with Level 1 are still pretty remarkable as this is one of the most difficult suits to build (from what I've read). Again, I'm new, but I want to commend the staff on an excellent job on the revisions and the balance between approvable Level 1 and authentic Level 2. Here's waiting to see if there is ever a Level 3 ... Don K. I appreciate that kind of input @DHKnecht and I am so glad you stepped out of the shadows to participate (pun intended). THANK YOU! Here, we just try to make any higher level requirements Level 2 and call it a day...because yea...some of our more recent Disney-canon costumes here at Spec Ops are among the toughest, most detailed builds indeed. Thanks for joining in the convo. 2 1 Link to comment
DarmanFG Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Just wanted to show you this details on Shins.. Don't know if it's necessary to add them on CRL. But i've made them on mine. 1 1 Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 @DarmanFG Julien, Good eye on the detail. I was aware of the detail (actually noticed it one day when I was working on the boots Level 2 info), and had considered including it. I decided not to include it based upon the fact that most makers produce "one sizes fits all." This means that people with shorter lower legs have to do some type of trimming to make the shins the correct fit and length. The top details are such that you can't trim from that area as it would be very noticeable so the only other place to trim off length is at the bottoms, which if done, could possibly take the grooved detail completely out. 3D printed kits can be sized and that detail can be included in as the shins can be scaled to fit the wearer. We can (if @nanotek and @Raider agree) put that detail in as a Level 2, after all that is what Level 2 is for; adding in the finer details for accuracy. You can see when I was doing my research for the CRL update I made a note. Once again Thank you for your feedback and your eye for detail. If you wouldn't mind, can you post a photo of your shin with the detail and a brief "how you made it"? Just in case others out there may want to add it in. "Chaos" Death Trooper/Shadowtrooper/FO TIE Pilot (in-progress)/FO Sith Trooper (in-progress) Link to comment
DarmanFG Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Oh i'm making my own 3D files. So it's easier like you said. Another detail : the belt thickness I think they've used some foam tape like this to hide in the middle the strapping/fastening system. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 For the shins, if that detail would be “lost” for short troopers (I picture the female DT I met from Puerto Rico Garrison as an example) due to trimming...maybe not include. L2 should still be inclusive for different sized people. Could list it as an optional L2 item so the detail is still included on the CRL 2 Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 @DarmanFG I have seen that on the kits that are were displayed at LFL and noticed that the belts were thicker than the original ones that were on the SWC kits. The SWC kits were just the rubber matting with some kind of belted support underneath. Maybe as they moved kits around for displays they found that the belts were sliding down so they added a strip of foam weathering striping tape to help hold them in place. I don't think that since there are differences in the display belts from one set of photos to another that we need to change anything on the belt. That kind of thing sort of falls under "strapping and assembly" since it is possible they only used the foam tape on the displays. If you take a look at the Sideshow 1:1 statue (which was modeled/made from the set kits) you can see that the belt is thin just like the SWC belts. We don't use toys or statues as references when we have the screen shots and actual used suit displays, but it does have a lineage just like the Anovos helmet. Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Raider said: For the shins, if that detail would be “lost” for short troopers (I picture the female DT I met from Puerto Rico Garrison as an example) due to trimming...maybe not include. L2 should still be inclusive for different sized people. Could list it as an optional L2 item so the detail is still included on the CRL Concur, and it is an easy fix if a kit doesn't have it. For instance, the shin's inside triangular flap closure on the screen suits is a part of the outer shin that wraps around the inner shin to allow for the shins to open and close at the ankle (Some makers modified their original designs after better photos came out) but on my kit from Jim, that piece is molded into the inner shin, so I took a dremel and grooved out the inside edges to give the appearance of it being a separate piece. I am planning on doing the same with the small groove we just mentioned, I'll grind down just enough of the surface to create the indentation. Eezy Peezy! Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chaos said: Concur, and it is an easy fix if a kit doesn't have it. For instance, the shin's inside triangular flap closure on the screen suits is a part of the outer shin that wraps around the inner shin to allow for the shins to open and close at the ankle (Some makers modified their original designs after better photos came out) but on my kit from Jim, that piece is molded into the inner shin, so I took a dremel and grooved out the inside edges to give the appearance of it being a separate piece. I am planning on doing the same with the small groove we just mentioned, I'll grind down just enough of the surface to create the indentation. Eezy Peezy! Yea after thinking on it more I think u should add it as an optional Level 2 item...im all for preserving costume info we know in the crl tho this one prob isnt 100% necessary for requirement for shorter troopers. Sound good? 1 Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Raider said: Yea after thinking on it more I think u should add it as an optional Level 2 item...im all for preserving costume info we know in the crl tho this one prob isnt 100% necessary for requirement for shorter troopers. Sound good? I already made the change. I think that is the correct thing to do. Preserve the integrity of the costume. After all many people LFL and Disnet Prop and Costume workers shed a lot of sweat and tears to bring us this awesome and intimidating character! OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There is a raised strip that begins at the rear vertical cover strip angled up and around the left outside shin and joins the front vertical cover strip. The top edge of the raised strip is angled and aligned as if it is an extension of the raised angular extension or flap just above the inside ankle ● There is an indented groove approximately 1/2 inch (13 mm) wide that runs along the inside bottom of both shins from the rear center to the beginning of the front boot arc. This detail is partially covered by the triangular closure flap. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Im saying I would add the word Optional in front of that yellow bit. So it is even optional for Level 2 approval. See Shadow Scout CRL thermal detonator as an example of what I mean. 1 Link to comment
Chaos[CMD-DCA] Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Gotcha, I'm tracking now 1 Link to comment
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