Dark Trooper - Generation 3 - Mandalorian - CRL Discussion

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

Here is a link to the post with the draft CRL: https://forum.specops501st.com/topic/8662-dark-trooper-generation-3-mandalorian-crl-discussion/page/2/#comment-113794

Let's start a discussion around this character towards building a case for the inclusion as a new costume in the CRL.

I think in general due to the use of CGI in the majority of the previously found references this costume was not going to move ahead, it is unclear if there was an official decision, but from my understanding this was the case. As seen in the reference pics, actors were wearing grey gloves etc that were later touched up in the CGI process.

Given that we have new information in the form of a displayed costume at Star Wars Celebration Anaheim 2022, we may be able to make a good case for it now.

I am keen to understand if there was also any evidence showing that the display version was used in any scenes or if there is any additional info about this costume that was on display. Was there any text explanation to go with the display?

[Trachta]

3 minutes ago, nanotek said:

Let's start a discussion around this character towards building a case for the inclusion as a new costume in the CRL.

I think in general due to the use of CGI in the majority of the previously found references this costume was not going to move ahead, it is unclear if there was an official decision, but from my understanding this was the case. As seen in the reference pics, actors were wearing grey gloves etc that were later touched up in the CGI process.

Given that we have new information in the form of a displayed costume at Star Wars Celebration Anaheim 2022, we may be able to make a good case for it now.

I am keen to understand if there was also any evidence showing that the display version was used in any scenes or if there is any additional info about this costume that was on display. Was there any text explanation to go with the display?

The only text was a white placard "Dark trooper".  I believe this one is the stunt suit or one of the ones along the wall when that officer went and talked to Gideon where the Dark Troopers were behind him and their first appearance.  Underneath the gaskets, you see the black mannequin where one would see the Grey suit normally, but a black one might make look it better.  I do know everything in that exhibit room has been seen on screen.

[Trachta]

I found this image online from the Prop shop for Mando Season 2 and the book of Boba Fett.  The costumes and props were made at Legacy Effects.  The image also shows the gasket. 

@nanotek

[Trachta]

Also found one of the final concept pictures made before production with vertical gaskets in mind. 

I was wondering how soon can an appeal be sent to the LMOs?

 

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

4 hours ago, Trachta said:

Also found one of the final concept pictures made before production with vertical gaskets in mind. 

I was wondering how soon can an appeal be sent to the LMOs?

 

Concept art although helpful, generally won't make an argument towards inclusion into the CRL. It will come down to why we think it should now be considered. Previously the inclusion was rejected due to references we of the actors not wearing a full costume, that certain elements like hands etc were all added in via post production using CGI, therefore could not be a wearable costume.

However, we have now seen the Celebration display which looks like a full wearable costume which I think is a good case for moving forward. I'm not sure if this is enough to fully seal the deal so am asking for extra resources like; do we have evidence that this suit was used? Do we have anyone who has contacted the actors to answer these questions? The more information we have the better so while making the case to the LMO team doesn't take much time, I would still like to make sure we have done our homework properly before submitting.

[Trachta]

1 hour ago, nanotek said:

Concept art although helpful, generally won't make an argument towards inclusion into the CRL. It will come down to why we think it should now be considered. Previously the inclusion was rejected due to references we of the actors not wearing a full costume, that certain elements like hands etc were all added in via post production using CGI, therefore could not be a wearable costume.

However, we have now seen the Celebration display which looks like a full wearable costume which I think is a good case for moving forward. I'm not sure if this is enough to fully seal the deal so am asking for extra resources like; do we have evidence that this suit was used? Do we have anyone who has contacted the actors to answer these questions? The more information we have the better so while making the case to the LMO team doesn't take much time, I would still like to make sure we have done our homework properly before submitting.

I, unfortunately, haven't been able to find set photos of them wearing the gaskets, though I did find a never before seen Dark Trooper pre-CGI photo from a VFX reel:

Also in this video from the Lucasfilm Showcase panel at Star Wars celebration (8:39), Jon Favreau says that everything came from the Mandalorian storage, sets, and archive, so that could at least add credibility that they did exist on set and were not added on as a part of the exhibit right?  Also, after viewing the Hybrid VFX videos, they handled all the Dark Trooper CGI shots, one of them that was absent was the Dark trooper grabbing Grogu.  I believe the hands we see on the Exhibit were close-ups used to physically grab Grogu in front of the camera. 

 

[Trachta]

Another approach could be to get a custom printed morph suit to fill in the joints.  As established in the photos, the joints are almost exactly the same size as their human counter part.

An example of how detailed one could get with these ( example image). They also are not that expensive to produce either. 

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

As I start my two day weekend, I have begun looking at the Droid files Nikko Industries made as examples as to how the hell I am going to attempt to 3D model my own pieces. (I have lots of coffee and aspirin on hand LOL)

I think we can argue that even though they used CGI on a lot of the joints and abdomen areas, that it is probably safe to assume that they also constructed wearable joints and abdomen areas for some of the quick shot scenes such as the hands grabbing Grogu scene @Trachta mentioned, AND that the suit we have seen at the SWC Mandalorian Exhibit is viable as wearable since Jon Favreau even said they were screen used props and costumes in the exhibit. There are enough photos of the SWC suit, and good resolution screen grabs that we have references for almost 98%of the costume. LOL wish we had a close up of the bottom of the feet, that would take us to 99%.

Since there are Legion costumes that exists now that some "creative and logical assumptions" were made on the construction for some characters in comics and games, I don't think it would be too difficult to apply that same assumption and thought process to the joints and abdomen areas for this costume. After all, the overall intent of creating a costume is to present the character so that the average person who has seen a movie, comic book, or game will immediately recognize the character.

I will tell you right now, this costume will have to be a built with a combination of materials and techniques.

I am going to start a Pre-Build thread where I will throw ideas around comparing screen CGI and SWC pieces and parts in an attempt to narrow down just how this costume can be produced easily and still retain the enough authenticity to meet the Legions intent on CRL requirements.

I have no clue why I always lean towards the most difficult costumes to build.

Wish me luck .... I am going to need it!

PS. At the same time I am also printing Nikko's Droid files which eventually I plan on making a display statue. 

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

1 hour ago, Trachta said:

Another approach could be to get a custom printed morph suit to fill in the joints.

Good idea, I was also thinking it would not be hard to 3D model the SWC joints and then print them in a PTU such as Ninja Flex and wear them much like the gaskets of the newer armor suits.

[Andreas Funk]

Hallo

My name is Andreas and I come from Germany.

Ive been tinkering with my Dark Trooper project for over a year now.

Now an acquaintance has brought me to look here on your website to see if there are more crazy people trying this and perhaps change informations and thinks.

So the first thing I did was build a complete one out of cardboard to see if it was portable and how.

Then I look a Hasbro doll and measured it completely and converted it to 1 : 1 in order to then create construction drawings.

The goal is to pull the Dark Trooper completely vacuum deep, without same spezial thinks.

Now I come to my own question, is there already CRL´s ?

Or will there be any at all ?

King regards

 

Andreas from Germany

[Andreas Funk]

[Andreas Funk]

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

@Andreas Funk

Impressive work!

To answer your question about a CRL, none has been started yet. I don't know if there are any others besides you and I that are doing any work on creating a set of armor.

I am using concepts from Nikko Industries' statue file rendering and screen shots to 3D model my pieces.

The biggest hurdle to creating any CRL is to have plenty of reference photos. I think we have all that we need to start building a CRL.

The next step is being able to create the pieces so that when they are worn, they will resemble what we see on screen accurately enough to gain approval from the 501st Legion Staff.

That is where we are at right now.

I have not started any CRL wording yet as I have only been working on my files in between work and life.

It looks like with your work and enthusiasm that we may be able to start working on a draft CRL. 

I'll keep you posted as things transpire. 

If you have the time I'd like for you to start your own WIP (work in progress) build thread so that all your ideas and photos can be captured in a single thread. 

This is going to be a long but fun process, thank you for joining the journey. 

[Andreas Funk]

Hello

Is there anything new regarding the Crls?
I found a few more pictures

greeting

Andreas

[Andreas Funk]

On 1/25/2023 at 4:29 PM, Chaos said:

@Andreas Funk

Impressive work!

To answer your question about a CRL, no has been even started yet. I don't know if there are any others besides you and I that are doing any work on creating a set of armor.

I am using concepts from Nikko Industries' statue file rendering and screen shots to 3D model my pieces.

The biggest hurdle to creating any CRL is to have plenty of reference photos. I think we have all that we need to start building a CRL.

The next step is being able to create the pieces so that when they are worn, they will resemble what we see on screen accurately enough to gain approval from the 501st Legion Staff.

That is where we are at right now.

I have not started any CRL wording yet as I have only been working on my files in between work and life.

It looks like with your work and enthusiasm that we may be able to start working on a draft CRL. 

I'll keep you posted as things transpire. 

If you have the time I'd like for you to start your own WIP (work in progress) build thread so that all your ideas and photos can be captured in a single thread. 

This is going to be a long but fun process, thank you for joining the journey. 

Hallo

My legs are all ready finish and now I will start to Vakuum forming

I want send some pictures but I can't do that because I have not enough KB.

 

Greetings

Andreas

 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Very neat!! @Chaos check it out!  

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

On 3/22/2023 at 8:46 PM, IcyTrooper said:

Very neat!! @Chaos check it out!  

I saw that! Andreas is killing it! I have had to put my project on a brief hiatus, I got a promotion and its interfering with my project.

@Andreas Funk I have not forgotten about the hand files. Once again I redesigned the finger joints. I am printing them off this week so hopefully the changes I made will be better than the last design. Be patient! 

[Andreas Funk]

On 3/26/2023 at 3:48 PM, Chaos said:

I saw that! Andreas is killing it! I have had to put my project on a brief hiatus, I got a promotion and its interfering with my project.

@Andreas Funk I have not forgotten about the hand files. Once again I redesigned the finger joints. I am printing them off this week so hopefully the changes I made will be better than the last design. Be patient! 

Hallo

Can you help me ? I want send some Fotos but I have no KB to send it. Where is the Problem?

 

Thanks 

 

Andreas

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

What are you trying to do?

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

On 3/31/2023 at 7:21 AM, Andreas Funk said:

Hallo

Can you help me ? I want send some Fotos but I have no KB to send it. Where is the Problem?

 

Thanks 

 

Andreas

Andreas, if you are trying to post photos from your computer, the maximum size of all attached files is 260.74 MB, as long as you post ta few at a time in separate posts it should work.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

You may also want to use a 3rd party image hosting site to do the picture upload and pasting in various posts. We have limited file space for each member here to keep the bandwidth and such manageable.

[Andreas Funk]

Hello

The first forms are ready and today we carried out the first tests. The results have turned out to be good, as expected, a few minor REVISIONS and then we can really get started. On the photo in the link you can see the first parts. They are still covered with protective film, underneath they are highly glossy.

greeting

Andreas

https://imgur.com/a/rASMUeF

[Andreas Funk]

Here some Photos more

There are only the plastic parts without greeblies, they must be build later.

Andreas

https://imgur.com/a/rASMUeF

[Andreas Funk]

I have measured, drawn and built the molds based on the hot toys doll.
I will try to construct the armor wearable based on the doll.
I am firmly convinced that this will be a wearable costume.
I will put everything into it, because it is just an awesome armor.

Andreas

[Andreas Funk]

Hello

Do you have companies that print body suits ?

Like for example this one, see photo on the link-

Greetings

Andreas

https://imgur.com/dKc7bli