Imperial Super Commando Gar Saxon animated

[beren88]

Good Day

I currently have an approved Clone wars s5 gar saxon Super commando Captain and am wanting to build the animated rebels Gar Saxon as well sicne im almost about to finish my s7 gar saxon costume. There is a theme to my builds, ha ha ha.

One of my mando clan locally wants to build a grunt while i build the Gar saxon leader one.  I was sad to see that there was no CRL.  I reached out to Teresa Nuthall who advised me to join here and introduce myself to start the process if there isnt on in place.

I have 8 3d printers and do design work. That being said, i have d03ds files and skylus animated files already.  If i can use those, then i will start printing today to get on this.

Teresa who sews many of the 501sts approved costumes said she will start on the flight suit as soon as i give her the go ahead.  I saw the other thread about the wip crl for the flight suit, but i think that was for the arena version correct?

My local con is october 30th, so my goal is to have this approved and worn at that con.  

i saw someone else talking about making the costume? but didnt see any photos or follow ups, so hopefully not stepping on toes asking if i can start this kit

 

 

 

[beren88]

here is the current mmcc thread with there crl. posting for reference discussion.

I am not going to apply for mmcc approval, but it there are some good talking points on there crl to use for 501st version of a crl

https://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=124670.0

Helmet
•   Animated Rebels Imperial Mandalorian Super Commando Style helmet constructed to match visual references is required.
•   Helmet dome, faceplate, and rear dome must be painted red. Cheeks, rear helmet inset, rear panel detail squares, and teeth must be light grey. Helmet mandibles, ear pieces, and rear raised panel must be painted white. All line details and visor must be black.
•   Helmet must have an earcap on either side. Left earcap must feature a raised oval with a smaller raised circle detail mounted on the top half of the flush left earcap with a single tapered antenna.
•   Right earcap must feature a raised angular block detail extending ⅘ of the way down the flush right earcap with a tapered dual antenna.
•   Helmet must feature an inverted red triangle decal with white outline in the center of the facing dome.
•   Helmet must feature embossed line details that match visual references that outline the upper portion of the visor extending all the way around the helmet, around the inverted triangle, and vertically below each earcap.
•   Back half of the helmet must have a quarter-round rib detail running the length of the lower lip of the helmet from the rear of each earcap.
•   Helmet must feature a raised rectangular section on the helmet’s inset back panel. This section  must contain three embossed detailing to match references.
•   Helmet must features a visor dark enough to obscure the wearer’s face. Visor material must be visible in the vertical visor slit of the helmet.
•   The bottom mouth portion of the helmet must have eight “teeth,” with four on each side of the vertical visor portion that curve inward.
•   Rear of the helmet must have two white, two-part decals flanking the raised rear panel detail.
•   Helmet must be painted and weathered to match visual references.

Flight Suit
•   Top portion must be long sleeved with vertical ribs.
•   Garment must be Dark Espresso in color.
•   Sleeves must have black imperial cog decal with a white background on the upper bicep.
•   Pant legs must be a white material, and must be constructed of six panels as seen in reference photos of Gar Saxon/Rebels Imperial Super Commandos, tucked into shin armor.
•   Garment must be weathered to match visual references.
•   Garment must fit tightly to the wearer.

Neck seal
•   Must match the flight suit sleeves in material and color.
•   Must appear to be one seamless piece connected to the sleeves.
•   Must come up the wearer’s jaw-line in a turtleneck fashion.

Boots
•   Boots must not have any zippers, laces, straps or other apparent securing method.
•   Boots must be red with a brown sole.
•   Boots must be weathered to match visual references.

Chest Armor
•   Consists of Imperial-style three piece construction that wraps completely around the wearer.
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick.
•   The chest armor must have one large chest piece, which matches visual references, with one semicircle indent detail in the center along the bottom edge, and a white circle with black outline decal on the right breast.
•   The upper ab section must sit under the main chest piece, and features two semi-circle indents along the bottom edge of the plate.
•   The lower ab section must sit under the middle ab section, and features two detail pieces with rectangle details that align under the semicircle portions on the middle ab constructed to match visual references.
•   All chest armor plates must feature embossed line detailing matching visual references.
•   Chest armor must be painted white with an inverted red triangle detail that terminates at the semicircle indention, and continues over the shoulders to terminate in an inverted triangle.
•   All plates must be painted and weathered to match references both in color and weathering pattern.

Back Armor
•   Must appear to be seamless with the front chest and ab plates.
•   Must feature a raised white rectangular “strap” at the shoulder that is the same material as the torso armor.
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick with rounded edges.
•   Must be painted and weathered to match references both in color and weathering pattern.

Shoulder Armor
•   Shoulder armor must be an upside down arc shape
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick with rounded edges. Must curve around the upper arm.
•   Must be painted red.
•   Must attach securely to the chest piece.
•   Must be painted and weathered to match references both in color and weathering pattern.
•   Must include two square plates on the tops of the shoulders, that extend from the front collar area to the rear collar area, as seen in visual references.
•   Square plates must appear to be at least 3mm thick, and must be painted white.
•   Attachment method must be hidden.

Gauntlets
•   Gauntlets must be made of plastic or other rigid material.
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick with rounded edges and must seamlessly wrap around the entire arm with a protrusion extending past the elbow.
•   Must include hand plates that are flush with the wrist portion of the gauntlet.
•   Gauntlets and hand plates must be painted red, with a white elbow stripe detail as seen in visual references.
•   Both gauntlets must include an orange and a red button, with the orange being on top and red on bottom, as seen in visual references.
•   Must be painted and weathered to match references both in color and weathering pattern.

Hand Plates
•   Hand armor must appear to be at least 3mm thick and must be constructed to match visual references.
•   Gauntlets must overlap or be otherwise attached to the hand plates.
•   Must be painted red with an inverted white triangle outline.
•   Must be painted and weathered to match references both in color and in weathering pattern.

Belt
•   Must be made of plastic or other rigid material, and resemble Imperial-style belts.
•   Must be about six inches wide.
•   Must be white, and is made up of sixteen connected rectangle panels, with the center buckle panels containing an indention, as seen in visual references.
•   Must include two white flanking hip pouches, mounted on both sides of the belt, which are of a trapezoidal shape with a flap closure. Attachment method must be hidden.
•   Garment must be weathered to match visual references.

Cod Armor
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick with rounded edges and constructed to match visual references.
•   Must feature embossed line detailing to match visual references.
•   Must be worn under the belt.
•   Must be painted white.
•   Must be weathered to match visual references.

Thigh Armor
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick with rounded edges and constructed to match visual references.
•   Must feature embossed line detailing to match visual references.
•   Must be painted white.
•   Must be weathered to match visual references.

Knee Armor
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick with rounded edges and constructed to match visual references.
•   Must attach securely to the shin armor via a hidden attachment point.
•   Must feature embossed line detailing to match visual references.
•   Must be painted red with white detailing matching visual references.
•   Must be weathered to match visual references.

Shin Armor
•   Must appear to be at least 3mm thick with rounded edges and constructed to match visual references.
•   Shin armor must extend down the side of each foot.
•   Must be painted red.
•   Must be weathered to match visual references.

Gloves
•   Must match the flight suit sleeve material.
•   Must be Dark Espresso in color.
•   Garment must be weathered to match visual references.

Jetpack
•  The jetpack must include 5 main components: two flanking wing components, one recessed rectangular plate, one tubular thruster detail, and one small square detail plate.
•   All components must match the visual references.
•   Must feature embossed line detailing to match visual references.
•   The wing components must be painted red.
•   The recessed rectangular base must be light grey.
•   The tubular thruster must be painted medium grey and dark grey.
•   The small square detail plate must be painted orange, with light grey details.

Weapon
•   Scoped Rifle must be constructed to match visual references in appearance and scale.
•   Stock must have the appearance of being telescopic/collapsible.
•   Receiver must have two sets of iron sights, one set in the rear and one set in the front. The rear set is made up of two posts. The forward set is made up of two posts forward and one circular cap set behind the two forward posts.
•   The scope must be mounted in the center of the receiver on a single inverted trapezoid mount, and must have an ocular lens and an objective lens larger than the main tube.
•   The receiver must be square in design, with a single barrel protruding from the weapon, with an inset barrel housing block.
•   The receiver must have an inset rounded square detail on the right and left side towards the front of the weapon.
•   The receiver must have an inset rectangular detail on both sides of the main body of the receiver.
•   The receiver must have an inset circle and rectangle detail on both sides of the rear of the receiver, near the stock.
•   The stock must have an inset circle detail on both sides, and an obvious butt pad.
•   The pistol grip must be of a blocky design, and must feature line details as seen in visual references.
•   The rifle must contain an elongated, rectangular trigger guard.
•   The main receiver must be painted a darker grey.
•   The secondary details on the receiver, barrel block, and scope must be painted a light grey.
•   The sight posts, trigger guard, grip, barrel, and stock must be painted black.
•   Must be painted and weathered to match references both in color and weathering pattern.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Great to see someone willing to push such a brilliant costume forwards, thanks for posting 🙂

You are correct! We don't currently have any CRL drafts for the grunts, and the only one with significant progress was the Arena version. So if you'd like to lead the way on an animated version, we'll give you all the support we can.

First step I'd recommend is gathering together as many visual references as you can to post here. I have the Rebels art book myself, so I'll see if I can find some too. The MMCC CRL seems to have had a huge amount of work done on it, so we can certainly then use that as a starting point rather than trying to reinvent the wheel from scratch.

 

[beren88]

1 hour ago, tipperaryred said:

Great to see someone willing to push such a brilliant costume forwards, thanks for posting 🙂

You are correct! We don't currently have any CRL drafts for the grunts, and the only one with significant progress was the Arena version. So if you'd like to lead the way on an animated version, we'll give you all the support we can.

First step I'd recommend is gathering together as many visual references as you can to post here. I have the Rebels art book myself, so I'll see if I can find some too. The MMCC CRL seems to have had a huge amount of work done on it, so we can certainly then use that as a starting point rather than trying to reinvent the wheel from scratch.

 

i didnt even know there was a rebels art book.  i will acquire it asap to reference.

yeah, the mmcc has some really great points. thats why i posted, use it as a reference frame. can i use this thread as my wip and pic gathering?

I would be doing the Gar Saxon build, and one of the guys from my clan would be doing the grunt? 

now he isn't 501st approved, this is going to be his first 501st costume, so would i have to have two threads ongoing, one for him and one for my costume since technically two crls would be going at same time?

I will go grab screen grabs and post them in to the thread.  I was thinking i would like to start on the helmet and the undersuit.  Its my ruusalor position kicking in, i always say soft parts first to my UM's

is that a good place to start with?

 

 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

If it helps, we did do some initial discussion on some parts hand plates and gauntlets and a little bit on the helmet here…but not much progress past that:

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

6 hours ago, beren88 said:

i didnt even know there was a rebels art book.  i will acquire it asap to reference.

yeah, the mmcc has some really great points. thats why i posted, use it as a reference frame. can i use this thread as my wip and pic gathering?

I would be doing the Gar Saxon build, and one of the guys from my clan would be doing the grunt? 

now he isn't 501st approved, this is going to be his first 501st costume, so would i have to have two threads ongoing, one for him and one for my costume since technically two crls would be going at same time?

I will go grab screen grabs and post them in to the thread.  I was thinking i would like to start on the helmet and the undersuit.  Its my ruusalor position kicking in, i always say soft parts first to my UM's

is that a good place to start with?

 

 

Absolutely, you can use this thread as your build thread for Saxon and post any photos you find here as you go. We work from the top down (usually helmet, then jumpsuit) so that works perfectly for us too. We typically don't move on to the next piece until the previous one is finalised to stop the discussion jumping around all over the place! And yes, if you can create a separate WIP thread for your friend's costume that would be great. We can use info from both WIP threads to feed the two CRL threads, which we will create and pin to the top of the page.

I took a quick look at my book this morning and while there's no detailed sketches for unnamed Imperial Super Commandos, there are some for characters who wear variations of their armour. There was also some Gar Saxon artwork that I uploaded into his own reference thread last year, so you can find that there.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

I've now created a pinned CRL discussion for each costume, where we can discuss and finalise the text for each item, starting with the helmets.

As a starting point, can we establish what (if any) differences there are between the two costumes over than the paint jobs?  I haven't got many good shots of the grunt commandos right now, but with the ones I have I am struggling to see any differences other than the paint schemes?  It would obviously make life a lot easier if most/all of the armour is identical bar the colour scheme.

[beren88]

14 hours ago, RAIDER said:

If it helps, we did do some initial discussion on some parts hand plates and gauntlets and a little bit on the helmet here…but not much progress past that:

 

i will check it out. thanks.  i will start with posting all the screen grabs i pulled from s3 episode 6 i downloaded last night.

[beren88]

8 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Absolutely, you can use this thread as your build thread for Saxon and post any photos you find here as you go. We work from the top down (usually helmet, then jumpsuit) so that works perfectly for us too. We typically don't move on to the next piece until the previous one is finalised to stop the discussion jumping around all over the place! And yes, if you can create a separate WIP thread for your friend's costume that would be great. We can use info from both WIP threads to feed the two CRL threads, which we will create and pin to the top of the page.

I took a quick look at my book this morning and while there's no detailed sketches for unnamed Imperial Super Commandos, there are some for characters who wear variations of their armour. There was also some Gar Saxon artwork that I uploaded into his own reference thread last year, so you can find that there.

top down works for me, that is pretty inline with how how i tell my um's to build and thats how i build too.

I will respond to the messages then, i will post all the images.  As i was pulling the images from the episode last night, i cant honestly tell a different between gar saxon and the grunts other than paint job, so we can use this thread for the discussions about what to do, and then my friends thread will just be his work in progress photos. That way discussion could realistically be streamlined to one thread.

That artwork is interesting, the tristan one looks close, but the gar saxon is very different than the show.

 

[beren88]

2 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

I've now created a pinned CRL discussion for each costume, where we can discuss and finalise the text for each item, starting with the helmets.

As a starting point, can we establish what (if any) differences there are between the two costumes over than the paint jobs?  I haven't got many good shots of the grunt commandos right now, but with the ones I have I am struggling to see any differences other than the paint schemes?  It would obviously make life a lot easier if most/all of the armour is identical bar the colour scheme.

next comment will be al the screen caps from the episode.  I cant tell a difference between grunt and captain in the armour other than paint. 

[beren88]

i guess imgur links dont work, so i will upload a smany photos as possible using drag files

[beren88]

 

 

[beren88]

[beren88]

[beren88]

that's every screen grab from the episode.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Brilliant work, that should give us everything we need. We'll start by picking out a good shot of the helmet from all angles, and then make sure that the helmet text perfectly matches what we can see.

[beren88]

3 minutes ago, tipperaryred said:

Brilliant work, that should give us everything we need. We'll start by picking out a good shot of the helmet from all angles, and then make sure that the helmet text perfectly matches what we can see.

thanks. I use a good site for screen caps as it helps me with the modeling of stuff.

When you say "we'll" what does that mean? you and the detachment members? or i would pick pics i think provide good angles?

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

2 minutes ago, beren88 said:

thanks. I use a good site for screen caps as it helps me with the modeling of stuff.

When you say "we'll" what does that mean? you and the detachment members? or i would pick pics i think provide good angles?

Sorry, I meant whoever gets a chance to do it first 🙂 We like to keep our new CRL development 100% open with input from all. Especially the folks actually doing the building! You can fire away with whatever you want in your WIP thread, even if you go beyond what we have in the CRL thread.

It will just be the final CRL text that we need a wider agreement on before it eventually goes live.

[MisterxM]

Don't forget about me😉 I can finally back to work &  buy some stl files for helmet. Maybe we could do something with this files

https://www.etsy.com/pl/listing/1461746431/mandalorian-gar-saxon?click_key=1f4f842b2e75f34ff93425314eb7e28e053b7946%3A1461746431&click_sum=129943cf&ref=search_recently_viewed-6

Maybe we can help each other to push this project forward. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

45 minutes ago, MisterxM said:

Don't forget about me😉 I can finally back to work &  buy some stl files for helmet. Maybe we could do something with this files

https://www.etsy.com/pl/listing/1461746431/mandalorian-gar-saxon?click_key=1f4f842b2e75f34ff93425314eb7e28e053b7946%3A1461746431&click_sum=129943cf&ref=search_recently_viewed-6

Maybe we can help each other to push this project forward. 

We can look at all the references side by side. If there's no real difference other than colour schemes, it will certainly speed up getting all three CRLs done at once. Isn't there also a regular Super Commando in Arena too?

[MisterxM]

I think that Force Arena helmet are the same as animated but we need better photos of the back of this version. 

Force Arena Super Commando grunt's looks, in my opinion, the same as Gar Saxon costume. 

[beren88]

2 hours ago, MisterxM said:

Don't forget about me😉 I can finally back to work &  buy some stl files for helmet. Maybe we could do something with this files

https://www.etsy.com/pl/listing/1461746431/mandalorian-gar-saxon?click_key=1f4f842b2e75f34ff93425314eb7e28e053b7946%3A1461746431&click_sum=129943cf&ref=search_recently_viewed-6

Maybe we can help each other to push this project forward. 

sounds good.  I cant speak for the force arena version as i have never played the video game. But i am designing the helmet starting today.  I will have the first render in a few days.  I hope that as a group we can nitpick the hell out of my file and then it is accurate exactly to the show, if the force arena version is the same, then that helps everyone as well.

my hope is that we can be meticulous about the model, and make all the changes needed, so that once i print it, im not worried about it being not allowed for a file, then it comes down to my painting being sufficient. ha ha ha.

 

[beren88]

1 hour ago, MisterxM said:

I think that Force Arena helmet are the same as animated but we need better photos of the back of this version. 

Force Arena Super Commando grunt's looks, in my opinion, the same as Gar Saxon costume. 

that would be great if same version. All the screen grabs i posted are from the show though.  do you have photos from the video game?

[MisterxM]

3 hours ago, beren88 said:

that would be great if same version. All the screen grabs i posted are from the show though.  do you have photos from the video game?

Real problem is that most of the Saxon's screens from this game is without helmet. But I'll try to find something more. 

And you absolutelly not stepping on my toes😉 I think that we can work simultaneously & sharing ideas. My local polish Con (called Star Fest) is on November & I hope that I will be ready for this event. Or maybe i'll do something different like Captain Hark or Saxon's Force Arena costume. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Great to see folks. If we can get more Arena shots, we can compare them side by side. If in reality the Arena and Rebels costumes are virtually identical, it might not make sense to create separate CRLs for them. Either way, we'll definitely focus on getting the Saxon and Super Commando CRLs put together ASAP.

 

EDIT: scrap that, I can already see some slight differences in the Arena Saxon Vs the Rebels one, so we'll need a CRL for each. The vast majority of the costume is the same though, so the work can still benefit both at the same time.