ISB Tactical Agent - CRL Discussion

[Detaleader[501st]]

Hooks appear to be present, as per slide 5 on here: 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJquT1zoekb/?img_index=5 

(It's pretty small, and due to the compression barely visible, but yeah, you can make out a hook on the right side of the picture) 

Similarly, you can see the fabric texture pretty well on slides 1+2 

[Dropkick[CMD-DL]]

9 hours ago, Detaleader said:

Hooks appear to be present, as per slide 5 on here: 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJquT1zoekb/?img_index=5 

(It's pretty small, and due to the compression barely visible, but yeah, you can make out a hook on the right side of the picture) 

Similarly, you can see the fabric texture pretty well on slides 1+2 

I'd suggest any hook detail be limited to L2 as its not seen in the series. Good to know from the BTS images that there's one there, but would recommend a possible L2 addition.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

agreed.  We shall proceed with the belief that these were reused from Season 1 without mofification. 

Change log 1.0 (Final text proposal)
 

Tunic

• A long-sleeved, black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. 
• Fabric is a plain weave cotton similar to duck canvas.
• Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic.
• The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. 
• Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic
• The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. 
• Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes.
• One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures.
• The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. 
• Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff.
   

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where Velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.
• Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. 
• If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar.

 

 

 

[pyro[TX]]

Same could be said for the pants

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

agreed.  I believe we can rapidly move through those sections. Boots appear to be the same as well. 

 

The next piece in CRL order is the chest armor. We know the origin, there are minor differences to be discussed. 

We need to verify that the back box insets are the same as the security trooper when we get to the back armor, but this is only for the chest. 

Proposal colors

Modified text

New text

Removed text 

Chest Armor Change log 1.0 

Original text.  We know the color is whilte so Im just going to go ahead and make that change now. Reference photo from our Security Trooper CRL gallery for  reference against our white troopers. 

Chest Armor 

Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. 

The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, Velcro, or another hidden fastener. 

There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section.

Buckles attach to upper chest plate and match the armor color.  and are painted gunmetal or dark silver. 

Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is black white. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material.

To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. 

Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor.

On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards.

Chest shall be painted to match helmet and back armor.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor.

Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver. 

 

Discussion:

over on Kevin Wiers's Imperial Surplus IG account he commented that this seaon he noted that new fittings were being used on the buckles, thes are Martin Baker ejection seat buckles and a different part number was used for some of the buckle components. Those with sharper eyes than mine can dive into the particulars on these fittings, but for my money, if you have the rigth configuration thats great for L1. I know @BigJasoni had remixed some buckles at one point for the MudtrooperUK files and I had printed those back then. 

 

 

[Detaleader[501st]]

The text suggested by Tarrif mentioned Weathering and I think we ought to include this here too. As far as I can tell all suits have light to moderate weathering on them? 

[Tarrif[TX]]

51 minutes ago, Detaleader said:

The text suggested by Tarrif mentioned Weathering and I think we ought to include this here too. As far as I can tell all suits have light to moderate weathering on them? 

There's definitely two versions (fi not more). The guys in the hospital had zero weathering, but if you're doing a tactical team member there's light to moderate weathering for sure. 

[Detaleader[501st]]

23 hours ago, Tarrif said:

There's definitely two versions (fi not more). The guys in the hospital had zero weathering, but if you're doing a tactical team member there's light to moderate weathering for sure. 

I can't say I agree about zero weathering. Look at the bicep, or the raised box near the bottom of the torso. The bottom of the skirt too (4k cap, you may have to open in new tab to zoom in) 

 

 Scuffs on the bicep, scuff on the chest, lots of wash on the shoulder straps, weathering under the chest buckles 

 

 Wash weathering in the ridges on the shin straps even! 

The ones at Luthen's gallery are kinda nasty 

 

The Hospital ones are pretty clean, but they are weathered lightly too. 

[Tal Skirata[TX]]

Sorry I’ve not been keeping up with the crl development recently, been very busy on another production, if there’s any specific outstanding questions I’m happy to answer them while I get up to speed on the thread so far 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM]]

On 6/13/2025 at 9:46 AM, Tarrif said:

There's definitely two versions (fi not more). The guys in the hospital had zero weathering, but if you're doing a tactical team member there's light to moderate weathering for sure. 

I agree with the gallery, but this guy is far away from the camera, so a little hard to see any specific weathering:

It'd be safe to allow for no weather or light to moderate weathering. Weathering is a very easy thing to mess up for people, it has to be done right. I feel like a requirement could prove to be an issue at a basic level (being overdone and we then have a burnt trooper that gets approved). My thoughts on that.

[Wompet[TX]]

19 minutes ago, IcyTrooper said:

It'd be safe to allow for no weather or light to moderate weathering. Weathering is a very easy thing to mess up for people, it has to be done right. I feel like a requirement could prove to be an issue at a basic level (being overdone and we then have a burnt trooper that gets approved). My thoughts on that.

How about "[specific part] may be light to moderately weathered.  If weathering is applied, amount should be equally applied across all parts."?

[Tarrif[TX]]

I just did a test fitting (no kama yet) and let me tell you about weathering. You probably need some minor degree of weathering to make certain parts pop out. I don't think it should 100% clean. The actual tactical squad should probably have moderate weathering. What looks moderately weathered up close can look lightly (or not at all) weathered from 10 feet away in certain lighting. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

thanks Sebastion and that proves a point I was going to make. Ive given model kit demonstrations on weatheirng to appear under studio lights. Models for movies like Star WArs and Battlestar Galactica was SUPER weathered just to show up on filmstock.  Tarrif's white armor proves this.

 

I feel that "Light to moderate weathering consistant with reference images is permitted"  would be appropriate for L1 while "Moderate weathering consistant with reference images is required" 

Ive seen guys use those brownish paint marker sponge things and just dab it all over and the armor looks like a cheetah. 

 

 

 

[Tarrif[TX]]

What are we thinking about the skirts / kama? Marine vinyl? Very thin, soft leather? Do we think it's stitching around the edges or a bevel? I'm going to do my first patterns in white marine vinyl since I have a ton of it laying around and it sorta makes sense. I'll take a look at leather too, but that's expensive. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM]]

Here is what we are looking at for the chest armor then:

Chest Armor 

• Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. 
• Light to moderate weathering consistent with reference images is permitted.
• The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, Velcro, or another hidden fastener. 
• There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section.
• Buckles attach to upper chest plate and are painted gunmetal or dark silver. 
• Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is white. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material.
• To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. 
• Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor.
• On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards.
• Chest shall be painted to match helmet and back armor.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor.
• Moderate weathering consistent with reference images is required.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Agree with the chest proposal, and I think we can list the back at this point.

From looking at the great closeups of Luis Martins' Instagram Post the weathering is very clearly black/brown wash just slopped on.  Looks fine on camera but like crap in person. 

Sebastions question will be answered next but mentaly I've been leaning towards heavy marine vinyl, the stuff that has the backing on it that doesnt want to crease so easy. I just rewatched the scene where Gharial exits the cockpit and comes down the stairs, its a shiny flexible material, no pebble grain. it does swing when they walk.  This is a mental note to myself, and we will cover that bit when we come to it. 

 

Back armor proposal- taken directly from our Andor Trooper CRL text. 

Change Log 1.0

Back Armor 

• Back plate is painted to match the chest armor and helmet.
• Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate.
• Chest and back plate meet at the sides.
• The backplate features painted details that vary from trooper to trooper. Acceptable colors for these details are either silver or gunmetal, but one color must be chosen. Mix and match of the detail items is not permitted.
• There are 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. Hose connecters are painted to match the strap raised slot, strap buckle, and recessed box color.
• Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside, all painted silver or gunmetal. The silver or gunmetal paint does not leave the edge of the box opening.
• The vents at the top of the boxes may have the openings darkened with weathering.
• Four raised bars approximately .375" (10mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present.
• Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside that are painted to match the recessed box color. Light weathering is permitted.
• Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped.
• Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present.
• There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recesses.
• There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie.
• There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. The raised slots are painted either silver or gunmetal grey.
• Shoulder straps are black and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The chest buckle shall match the raised slot color.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The hose fittings are angled forward.
• There is a recessed hole approximately .31" (7.8mm) above the top left corner of the left recessed box.
• There are two indented squares approximately 1⁄4" x 1⁄4" (5mm x 5mm) aligned vertically above the right upper corner of the left recessed box.
• There is a raised step on the bottom of the main back box.
   

Discussion

We need to make sure that the buckles and the boxes are the same as what we see in Andor. Or not.  Kevin Weier has stated on his Instagram posts abot making this new costume that he has upgraded and changed buckles and at least one part of the back box. 

Proposed changed for the back side:

 

• Back plate is painted to match the chest armor and helmet.
• Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate.
• Chest and back plate meet at the sides.
• The backplate features painted details that vary from trooper to trooper. Acceptable colors for these details are either silver or gunmetal, but one color must be chosen. Mix and match of the detail items is not permitted.
• There are 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. Hose connecters are painted to match the strap raised slot, strap buckle, and recessed box color.
• Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside, all painted  the same white as the armor. silver or gunmetal. The silver or gunmetal paint does not leave the edge of the box opening.
• The vents at the top of the boxes may have the openings darkened with weathering.
• Four raised bars approximately .375" (10mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present.
• Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside that are painted to match the recessed box color. Light weathering is permitted.  preferred inside of the recesses.
• Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped.
• Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present.
• There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recesses.
• There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie.
• There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. The raised slots are painted either silver or gunmetal grey.
• Shoulder straps are black   white and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. he chest buckle shall match the raisTed slot color.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

its been a couple of days. 

Any input so we can move forward? 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM]]

I think it sounds good with the following:

Back Armor

• Back plate is painted to match the chest armor and helmet.
• Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate.
• Chest and back plate meet at the sides.
• There are 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. Hose connecters are painted to match the strap raised slot, strap buckle, and recessed box color.
• Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside, all painted the same white as the armor.
• The vents at the top of the boxes may have the openings darkened with weathering.
• Four raised bars approximately .375" (10mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present.
• Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside that are painted to match the recessed box color. Light weathering is preferred inside of the recesses.
• Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped.
• Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present.
• There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recesses.
• There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie.
• There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into.
• Shoulder straps are white and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The hose fittings are angled forward.
• There is a recessed hole approximately .31" (7.8mm) above the top left corner of the left recessed box.
• There are two indented squares approximately 1⁄4" x 1⁄4" (5mm x 5mm) aligned vertically above the right upper corner of the left recessed box.
• There is a raised step on the bottom of the main back box.

[pyro[TX]]

Helmet should be either removed or changed to hat? 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Good call Jarred thanks for posting that!

Ill make that change. 

So, without rewriting all the text, a simple removal and change here and on the chest and back armor text will suffice:

Chest Plate:

Chest shall be painted gloss white  to match helmet and back armor.

Back Plate:

Back plate is painted to match the chest,  armor and helmet  arms and shin armor. 
 

 

 

[ChrisThePropGuy[501st]]

On 6/11/2025 at 6:05 PM, tipperaryred said:

Unless we see evidence that they dramatically altered the IST tunic just for this one costume, I'd say it is safe to proceed with the previous CRL text.  Do we have confirmation from those who were on set that it is 100% the same tunics used?

And yes sorry, if there's anything that is 100% hidden by the armour then probably no harm either dropping it or maybe better yet moving it to Level 2.

Sorry I'm late to the party. I came here as I was originally under the impression it was an officer tunic as the length and the collar sort of gave it away. There wasn't enough contrast in the still in my reference to see any pockets and such so that's where I based my assumption. Going by the bts pics though we can see its the Aldani shirt. I agree with the sentiment though of having the pockets level 2. They are covered and not visible in any frames of the show from what I can see.

 

I am personally not a fan of verbose crls (where it's unnecessary) that give gmls more opportunities to push people back. In my humble opinion I do believe the points should be seperate to what's seen and what was "behind the scenes". Similar to the boba fett scuba harness situation. If people can make/source basic tunics at a more affordable rate as to not exclude them I'm all for it, and those who want to make it exactly can go the extra mile to have the pockets. 

 

I'll try and participate in the discussion a little more moving forward as I missed this while designing the armour. Thanks 

[Diet_Evil]

With shoulders and biceps would it be safe to say these are Rogue one style storm trooper shoulders and biceps as a base? If so adding wording for the optional black strip on the left shoulder would be all that would be needed to add on those I think.