ISB Tactical Agent - CRL Discussion

[Diet_Evil]

3 hours ago, Detaleader said:

I mean, doesn't every member on that team have a unique configuration? Hardly seems like a reason to disqualify this 

Unless I'm mistaken googles and epic stash are the only unique ones. Everyone else is full armor and hat, chest rig and black stripe being the variation. This CRL is also stated to be the regular ISB Tactical Agent.

That said I'm fine with optional hat goggles and right shoulder being included but we would likely want to word it so no hat must have chest rig and black stripe and that googles, and missing shoulder bell go together, as to avoid anachronistic combinations.

[Detaleader[501st]]

5 hours ago, Diet_Evil said:

Unless I'm mistaken googles and epic stash are the only unique ones. Everyone else is full armor and hat, chest rig and black stripe being the variation. This CRL is also stated to be the regular ISB Tactical Agent.

That said I'm fine with optional hat goggles and right shoulder being included but we would likely want to word it so no hat must have chest rig and black stripe and that googles, and missing shoulder bell go together, as to avoid anachronistic combinations.

Just by this picture alone, they're all different. This got me thinking, so I did a quick breakdown of the Troopers as they get off the Shuttle Ramp

Trooper 1 "Benzi": Rank Stripe + Radio on the Right side of the Chest, Trooper 2: Chest Rig + Radio on the Left, Trooper 3: Different lower belt with no Chest Boxes + Radio on the Left (I think this might be the guy wearing a backpack?), Trooper 4: Chest Rig + Goggles + Backwards officer cap + Seemingly no Radio at all, Trooper 5: "Standard" + Radio on the left, Trooper 6: Missing Shoulder + Diagonal bag + Radio on the Right, Trooper 7: Beanie + Fanny Pack + Radio on the Right, Trooper 8 "Gharial": Chest Rig, Rank Stripe + Radio on the left 

The same configuration doesn't appear twice.  I think the best approach is to do what IOC did with their CRLs for a while: If specific accessories are chosen, the whole costume is to match the appearance of a character from an LFL licensed source. 

[Diet_Evil]

35 minutes ago, Detaleader said:

Just by this picture alone, they're all different. This got me thinking, so I did a quick breakdown of the Troopers as they get off the Shuttle Ramp

Trooper 1 "Benzi": Rank Stripe + Radio on the Right side of the Chest, Trooper 2: Chest Rig + Radio on the Left, Trooper 3: Different lower belt with no Chest Boxes + Radio on the Left (I think this might be the guy wearing a backpack?), Trooper 4: Chest Rig + Goggles + Backwards officer cap + Seemingly no Radio at all, Trooper 5: "Standard" + Radio on the left, Trooper 6: Missing Shoulder + Diagonal bag + Radio on the Right, Trooper 7: Beanie + Fanny Pack + Radio on the Right, Trooper 8 "Gharial": Chest Rig, Rank Stripe + Radio on the left 

The same configuration doesn't appear twice.  I think the best approach is to do what IOC did with their CRLs for a while: If specific accessories are chosen, the whole costume is to match the appearance of a character from an LFL licensed source. 

Fair enough, Im down for it.

[Astara]

15 hours ago, Detaleader said:

I think the best approach is to do what IOC did with their CRLs for a while:

Yeah thats my thought too. Its not like stormtroopers where they show up on screen all the same, the army trooper branch is a bunch of variants, even in the same costume. 

[Astara]

Also I just noticed that the whole right arm armor is just missing? More customization I guess but just, why?

[Diet_Evil]

12 hours ago, Astara said:

Also I just noticed that the whole right arm armor is just missing? More customization I guess but just, why?

IRL soldiers modify gear all the time, overseas the vest we got had kevlar necks, shoulders, crotch, we stripped them down to pretty much plate carries to make them more comfortable to wear all day. I'd imagine they are trying to show that this unit is highly specialized.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

troopers

 

we are off track. While the discussion IS necessary, we need to focus back to the CRL text dicussion. We are now officially off in the weeds. 

This is why we go one item at atime. One item, once bullet point, one discussion. 

 

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

before moving on to any other discussion, i want to clear and lock this text. Once this is agreed upon , we will move forward.  

final text proposal. 

Chest Armor 

• Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. 
• Chest armor is painted gloss white to match visual references. 
• Light to moderate weathering consistent with reference images is permitted.
• The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, Velcro, or another hidden fastener. 
• There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section.
• Buckles attach to upper chest plate and are painted gunmetal or dark silver. 
• Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is white. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material.
• To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. 
• Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor.
• On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards.
• Chest shall be painted to match helmet and back armor.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor.
• Moderate weathering consistent with reference images is required.

Back armor

• Back plate is painted to match the chest armor, shin and arm armor. 
• Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate.
• Chest and back plate meet at the sides.
• There are 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. 
• Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside, all painted the same white as the armor.
• The vents at the top of the boxes may have the openings darkened with weathering.
• Four raised bars approximately .375" (10mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present.
• Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside that are painted to match the recessed box color. Light weathering is preferred inside of the recesses.
• Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped.
• Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present.
• There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recesses.
• There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie.
• There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into.
• Shoulder straps are white and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The hose fittings are angled forward.
• There is a raised step on the bottom of the main back box.
• There is a recessed hole approximately .31" (7.8mm) above the top left corner of the left recessed box.
• There are two indented squares approximately 1⁄4" x 1⁄4" (5mm x 5mm) aligned vertically above the right upper corner of the left recessed box.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Ive been working the Del crl mod and my mind is freid from that, I need to clear it. From black, to white. 

 

Its been a couple of days. is there any further input on the proposal above? its our existing armor, painted all white with slopped on wash. 

 

[pyro[TX]]

From what I can tell it’s good to go. 

[Astara]

Yeah that really is all it is given the mic isnt seen on everyone.

[ChrisThePropGuy[501st]]

No issues thus far with the chest or back. I think its a bit verbose as saying matches accurate shape and design makes some preceeding text redundant but Im only going off CRLs Ive helped develop in other detachments and not really sure what the style is on SpecOps stuff so forgive my ignorance.

On 5/16/2025 at 1:00 PM, IcyTrooper said:

• A long-sleeved, black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. 

I was going back over some older stuff from before I saw the thread, the jacket being mid-thigh length seems too long. At most it falls to crotch height as mid thigh is where the kama seems to drape to in my opinion. I think the wording would clash with the images of the model going by this image.

One note I had on the trapezoidal box is that the stepped area is painted silver to match the disk. The sheen does not seem to match the white of the rest of the detailing on this panel.

The sabatons also apear to be 4 distinct carapace plates. There is a distinct seam just infront of where the shin and top of the foot meet. This is visible in this image.

Also @Blackwatch any input on if there will be leeway on the undersuit at all, as the detailed areas are covered, for basic or has this already been finalised? Thanks

[Astara]

26 minutes ago, ChrisThePropGuy said:

bit verbose as saying matches accurate shape and design makes some preceeding text redundant

I think it is beneficial to specifically that it matches the shape, even if redundant. The big reason is because of how similar the Andor Armor and the Mudtrooper are. 

 

26 minutes ago, ChrisThePropGuy said:

At most it falls to crotch height as mid thigh is where the kama seems

I think youre right with the hem being low on the crl, but it does still fall bellow the crotch seen here. 

 

26 minutes ago, ChrisThePropGuy said:

the detailed areas are covered,

For leeway, I suggest we stick with the wording because we have a behind the scenes picture showing off the jacket and, courtesy of the one armed wonder, a good look on the sleeves and collar.

[ChrisThePropGuy[501st]]

11 hours ago, Astara said:

I think youre right with the hem being low on the crl, but it does still fall bellow the crotch seen here. 

Maybe word it as no LOWER than where the pant inseams meet? That way different heights can be accommodated a lot easier.