ISB Tactical Agent - CRL Discussion

[TreeHuggerMatt]

That makes a lot of sense.  Makes it easier for builders and GMLs. Folk can just scale the biceps as they would currently then.

[kwdesigns[501st]]

Hi everyone, I’m currently only on page 2 of this topic for the ISB Tactical Agent’s CRL. 
Someone mentioned me by name (Kevin Weir -Imperial Surplus) on page 1 about my IG comment on the Buckles being different. I was referring to the Leg Strap Buckles. They are nothing like what has previously been used on new era characters. 
Also for the Back Plate Armor - the top hose bibs are not hollow for Andor. Only Solo and Mando show had them hollow. Andor 1 & 2 casted them solid with just a slight recessed center - slightly raised lip. 
Also should there be any mention of the side connectors, that are a fixed to the lower side of back armor. They wrap around towards the front belly. A 2” elastic belly strap is used through the 2 slots on each end to hold it together. Also only Velcro was used to affix the Chest to these side connectors for the screen used suits. 
 

I'm currently getting ready for SDCC next week. I’ll have more time afterwards to assist with more detail information about these characters. 
 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

thnaks Kevin good luck at SDCC

my eyes are getting older and relying entirely on screen grabs I never noted the difference in the hose connectors. 

 

@Tal Skirata referencing the images it looks like Gharian and Heert both have 2 inch black velcro holding front to back, thas also how my Jim Tripon armor came. So this is not  velcro holding the front to the back? we have an eleastic web going up to the front from the back? what holds the front in place to keep it from flopping? 

[Astara]

3 hours ago, kwdesigns said:

They wrap around towards the front belly. A 2” elastic belly strap is used through the 2 slots on each end to hold it together.

Id love to see 3d model makers replicate the exact intricacies of the armor, like Paul Prentice did with the shoretrooper.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Shoulder and Bicep proposed text with changes noted in red srikethrough, green and amber alteration 

 

change log 1.0

Shoulder Armor

 

• One on each shoulder
• The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical; they may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders. and may have a black elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.   webbing or velcro is permitted to keep the shoulder armor in place. 
• Shoulder armor may be held up with a strap mounted under the shoulder bridge.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• There is no swoop on the shoulder bell raised area.
• There is no elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.

Change Log 1.0

Bicep Armor 

• Biceps are a split design, joined in the front. A slim gap may be present at the back of the bicep. 
• Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top.
• Biceps are painted to match the armor and helmet.

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

any updates or discussion on this? Id like to clear and lock. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

The original TA suits used a 2” wide heavy elastic with snaps to hold the shoulder bells in place. A 1” wide black elastic was used to hold the biceps to the shoulder bells, also with snaps. The 1” black elastic was looped through the upper slot in the bicep. There is a difference between left and right biceps. Front is affixed/ glued together at the detail strip, backside closer is not affixed for sizing. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

The original TA suit - They used black acrylic wash to age/weather all of the suits. Some more than others. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

As for the leg straps…

Starting from the outside of the shin plate, it’s visible that 2 bricks are fixed to the strap separately. Then the new style decorative buckle directly behind those 2 bricks.  A parachute clip is behind the decorative buckle, with the receiving end of the parachute clip visible. ( not the prong side of the clip) Then a flat smooth area, approximately 2 inches long appears to be wrapping into the receiving parachute clip, followed by a series of bricks continue around the back of the boot/ leg  and inner side of the person’s boot/ leg towards the inner edge of the shin plate. There is approximately 3 bricks more difference from the top strap and the bottom straps. The bottom strap has 15 bricks, the top has 18, not counting the first 2 separate bricks on the outside edge of shin plate. This total count would vary based on different boot sizes needed for the wearer. The bottom strap wraps snuggly to the ankle area of the boot. The upper strap is above the boot, wrapping around the leg. Each strap width is approximately 1 3/4 inch wide.  
 

[Diet_Evil]

On 7/17/2025 at 1:21 PM, Blackwatch said:

Shoulder and Bicep proposed text with changes noted in red srikethrough, green and amber alteration 

 

change log 1.0

Shoulder Armor

 

• One on each shoulder
• The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical; they may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders. and may have a black elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.   webbing or velcro is permitted to keep the shoulder armor in place. 
• Shoulder armor may be held up with a strap mounted under the shoulder bridge.

 

 

Does anything need to be put in regarding the black stripe?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

thanks Kevin thats comprehensive and very helpful. Im going to write it to permit the strap at L1.  For the black stripe, ill add that too as an option, and the way we write it, it may go into the optional items along with blasters.  

 

When we work our way down to the shin armor, i will circle back to this and quote it .

 

Change Log 1.1

 

change log 1.1

Shoulder Armor

One on each shoulder
The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical; they may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders. and may have a black elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.   Webbing or velcro is permitted to keep the shoulder armor in place. 
Shoulder armor is  may be held up with a strap mounted under the shoulder bridge.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

There is no swoop on the shoulder bell raised area.
There is no elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.

Change Log 1.1

Bicep Armor 

Biceps are a split design, joined in the front. A slim gap may be present at the back. of the bicep. 
There is a left and a right side. They are not interchangeable.  
Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top.
Biceps may be held to the shoulder armor with black elastic. 
Biceps are painted to match the armor.  and helmet.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

le sigggh....a week later. My life gets absolutely insane. 30 hour work days are all too common. The other day I home 43 minutes before I got called right back out for antoher 12 hours. 

back to our subject at hand:

Movign forward with this, and with no input, I propose this as Change Log 1.2

Shoulder Armor

• The shoulders are considered effectively symmetrical; they may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders.Velcro is permitted to keep the shoulder armor in place. 
• Shoulder armor is held up with a strap mounted under the shoulder bridge.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• There is no elastic strap that wraps around the inside of the bicep.

Change Log 1.1

Bicep Armor 

• Biceps are a split design, joined in the front. A gap may be present at the back.
• There is a left and a right side. They are not interchangeable.  
• Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top.
• Biceps may be held to the shoulder armor with black elastic. 
• Biceps are painted to match the armor.

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Ok, so no further dicsussions, i think we can lock and move on. 

 

Next will be the forearms, and Im goign to take a stab in the dark at these. This will be a very rough outline

 

Forearms

Forearms are present on both arms and consiste of flat plates with facets joined at an angle at the outermost part of the arm. 

Forearms are not symmetrical. The lowe angles of the left forearm are shorter than the right forearm. 

A commpad featuring varous depresssions and shapes is mounted to the left forearm. 

There are two straps on each forearm. Part of the strap is molded and resembles the shin straps. The remainder of the strap is white webbing and closes with a whlte side release buckle. 

A white torch may be present on the left forearm. 

 

[Klaus92]

Im sure we have thought about it, as options, the one armed wonder and wooly hat version? Also, do we have any real-world versions of the bags and attachments that some of the forward team are wearing? Specifically, the 'stunner' holding tac belt? Also, it looks like the radio can go either side of the chest armour.

[ChrisThePropGuy[501st]]

Id add the strap being tan/beige in colour too and maybe the natural cotton style webbing rather than PP style.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Let stay on track troopers, lets not get off in the weeds again. Options are Options, we are focused on the core of the costume first. 

 

If anyone wants to try to clean up my pathetic attemp to describe the forearms, please do. We cannot move forward until we get a full, complete, accurate description of the forearms.

 

Regarding the tan/ beige, would the saharah beige used on the Shoretroopers be appropriate here? 

Change Log Version 1.1

Forearms

Forearms are present on both arms and consist of flat angled plates with facets joined at an angle at the outermost part of the arm. 

Forearms are not symmetrical. The ower angled plates of the left forearm are shorter than the right forearm. 

A commpad featuring varous depresssions and shapes is mounted to the left forearm. 

There are four colored depressions on the commpad block near the ebow. 

There are two tan or beige straps on each forearm. Part of the strap is molded and resembles the shin straps. The remainder of the strap is white cotton webbing and closes with a whlte side release buckle. 

A white torch may be present on the left forearm. 

 

when we get to the torch/ penlight, these look like options? This will be discussed in the Options section later on

https://www.amazon.com/Steelman-95863-2AA-LED-Light/dp/B00KYF9TUI?th=1

 

https://lumintop.com/product/iyp25/

 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

The forearms/ vambraces used a 1” wide white nylon/ synthetic strap with white square notched parachute clips and adjusters. All originally bright white. Then the flexible cast strip with a series of 5-7 some may have up to 8 bricks depending on forearm circumstance, were glued onto the white 1” straps afterwards. Some of the flexible bricks were painted white, others raw cast that had an off white tan color. Then all parts were weathered with black acrylic wash. 
The receiving end of the parachute clips are affixed with a loop of the white nylon / synthetic 1” strap to the inside area of the lower wider portion on the forearms / vambraces. The elongated trapezoid side with the recessed grove framing the shape approximately 1/4” inside from out side edge and 4 flat Allen Head screws at each inner corner. 
 

No tan or beige webbing type straps were used. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

Also the forearms/ vambraces sit approximately 1” away from the wearer arms. Padding is used inside to achieve this. They do not sit flush to the sleeve of the jacket. 

[ChrisThePropGuy[501st]]

2 minutes ago, kwdesigns said:

The forearms/ vambraces used a 1” wide white nylon/ synthetic strap with white square notched parachute clips and adjusters. All originally bright white. Then the flexible cast strip with a series of 5-7 some may have up to 8 bricks depending on forearm circumstance, were glued onto the white 1” straps afterwards. Some of the flexible bricks were painted white, others raw cast that had an off white tan color. Then all parts were weathered with black acrylic wash. 
The receiving end of the parachute clips are affixed with a loop of the white nylon / synthetic 1” strap to the inside area of the lower wider portion on the forearms / vambraces. The elongated trapezoid side with the recessed grove framing the shape approximately 1/4” inside from out side edge and 4 flat Allen Head screws at each inner corner. 
 

No tan or beige webbing type straps were used. 

Just curious what is the source of this info. The screenshots do not show enough detail to confirm the weave but the strap itself is clearly a different colour to the white of the armour. In my experience a black wash on polyethelene/nylon isn't going to give a uniform "brown" saturation unless it's the colour grading. Just want to know how you came to the conclusion. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

Also the basic shape of the forearms/ vambraces are what’s called mirror symmetrical. The left has various parts attached to make it different. 
On the inside smaller trapezoid area a detailed base for the approximate 3” flash light/torch (although it never lights up on the show) 

Top area has a Com-pad with multiple detailed parts.  (Not sure how descriptive you want to be here or keep it kind of vague so that other makers can get their’s approved? )

The left and Right forearms sit approximately 1” away from the wearer arms. Padding is used inside to achieve this. They do not sit flush to the sleeve of the jacket. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

8 minutes ago, ChrisThePropGuy said:

Just curious what is the source of this info. The screenshots do not show enough detail to confirm the weave but the strap itself is clearly a different colour to the white of the armour. In my experience a black wash on polyethelene/nylon isn't going to give a uniform "brown" saturation unless it's the colour grading. Just want to know how you came to the conclusion. 

I know people who worked on the show. I’ve seen stuff I can not share. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

Oh and there is a 9volt battery wrapped in white gaffer’s tape affixed to the inside edge. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

thanks guys.  My mind is kinda fried right now. Once Im in a better state of mind I can try to write that, but if you want to write it feel free, youve got the hands on- im literally looking at a screen, so you know more what it looks and feels like than I do. 

[ChrisThePropGuy[501st]]

No disrespect Kevin but I feel unless a claim can be substantiated with evidence so we can all discuss it I don't think it's fair to be put on the table. Just sets precedent for anyone to come in and say "oh yeah I know a guy and he said this". Not that I don't believe you but I think there's some sort of middle ground we can meet at to ensure we're getting as close to what's visible on screen. Maybe we can drop the cotton webbing but keep the colour note as it's very clear that it's a different colour than the armour. Maybe a level 2 requirement? Keen to know your thoughts. 

[kwdesigns[501st]]

Hey chris, I realize you are a maker and we have not properly been introduced. Let me give you a little background on myself. I started making costumes over 20 years ago. LFL recognized that I was doing and reached out to me to create certain characters for promotional reasons, such as the movie realistic clones, the old republic, Jedi, then followed animated clones to help them promote the clone wars. Over the years we develop mutual agreements, some just verbal, some actual contracts. I’ve had several conversations with head of licensing and became part of the circle of trust. I still feel incredibly lucky to receive assets and detail images for characters. Throughout the years, I was able to prove to them my level of detail and accuracy and the ability of completing projects in a short amount of time. I went to an all art high school and art college. I have been sculpting for over 35 years. I have worked on many commercials shows and movies. You can check out my IMDb. In this business, I believe integrity is one of the most valuable characteristics. I have no reason to steer anybody wrong in the details. I am providing to help others create an accurate ISB Tactical Agent or any other characters I have developed over the last two decades.