Hoda

(I like the name change)

Here’s the thing, I don’t know that the binocular looks like my sandy binocular - the difference is obvious when you look at the viewing area - the sandtrooper binoculars have dials on the side ... esp since most folks just end up converting this fun little game: I wonder since we don’t have that many references, we keep it simple to the original proposal back in the old CRL discussion thread - but keep some of the elements here like the olive green requirement and the red tint?

Oh man .... is the end near?!

Looks good to me, since I would hope the Imperial Army issued standard boots for everyone to save some credit! It’s funny, sometimes in some panels it’s as if he’s wearing black boots, yet green in others. Comic books!

Love it!

A few things (again, a bit nit-picky): 1. I just realized we haven't called out "MOLLE style" pouches similar to what we've done in the other Imperial Army CRLs. Should the text mention that? Something like: Belt pouches are olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material. Pouches are MOLLE style pouches. 2. For the gas-mask style pouch, my recommendation is to make the text consistent with what we have for the Imperial Army Engineer (who has the same pouch but black). Something like this? A large pouch sits on the right of the above pouches. The pouch may be a utility pouch, gas mask pouch, SAW pouch, or other MOLLE style pouch of similar size. And for L2 The large pouch will make use of a visible double snap closure or appear to have such. 3. Do you think we should be consistent with describing the 4 (2+2) "rectangular pouches with a top flap", and keep it the same as the pouch on the harness? To me the pouches look to be the same. See below: I know we were locking down texts as we move along, but seems as good a time to bring up as anything. Sorry! My recommendation: we go back and remove the "utility" from the harness pouch. So the text for the harness pouch looks to be something like - "Right suspender has a rectangular pouch attached with the bottom of the pouch positioned with the right chest pouch flap closure. The pouch is olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material, with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut

Mystery solved! I think these are character mods for Battlefront? Looks to be user-generated. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1849252168

Ha! That is a cool character! i'd love to know the source as well. I do not believe this trooper exist in the legion currently. This looks to me to be a combination of the AT-AT Commander (helmet, chest armor, belt), Stormtrooper (shoulder bell, bicep), possibly Mudtrooper (undersuit), with pouches and belt boxes tossed in for good measure?

Nice. I'd say leave the color of the buckle out of the text then - looking at the options, it's not like it'd get crazy anyway I don't think ... HAHA OR I COULD BE WRONG.

Hey friend! Good seeing you here. I am the one who sent you here from FISD! Hahaha. Like I said - I wonder if what you are actually looking for, is what the 501st called the "Mudtrooper"? I am guessing since you are asking about the hard armors. This is a Mudtrooper https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_-_Mudtrooper And this is an "Army Trooper" https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_imperial_army_trooper IF you are looking for the Mudtrooper, here's where you should go on this forum! https://forum.specops501st.com/forum/151-mudtroopers/ Check out other folks' build there, and heck, maybe get a build thread going there!

Gah, dang it. You're right of course. What do you think of these belts? Looks close to the reference? Buckle based, 2 hole presence. I don't know that we need to call out the "silver" buckle ... or should we? I can never quite tell w the subtle color. https://www.amazon.com/Unisex-Two-Hole-Canvas-Belt-Available/dp/B07D83S5KQ https://www.amazon.com/Military-Double-Canvas-Army-Grommet/dp/B07F1DQQZ7 Now, I will say, it looks like at least one of the IATs wear the same belt as Sunber here (see the guy on the right), and we didn't have that called out in the IAT CRL. Maybe this is a L1 vs L2 difference?

I am good w the new text!

Ah yes, I would be remiss if I didn't bring up a really good point from the earlier CRL discussions back in 2018 when this first got kicked off, which is - Do we give the option of using the standard Imperial Style Comlink to be used as L1, and then require this olive green comlink as a L2 requirement? This would allow folks to build out a Sunber that's pretty close and then can go L2 if they would like to be more accurate.

That'd be my interpretation as well. For what it's worth, see below for the parts that Matt Nelson designed (I thought they were really close to the comics). I think the strap/band you are referring to is addressed in the harness section - "Left suspender has a comlink clip/holster with a comlink contained within. The comlink clip/holster is positioned parallel to the rank bar and is form fitting to the comlink." It's a good call-out though. Maybe instead of calling it a "band" which could be confusing, maybe we update the language to something like the below? I am not seeing the "black colored speaker area" or the "black circular line" in the reference images - is the black circular line supposed to go on the circled area I have shown below? Comlink Styled after the comlink as seen in the Star Wars: Empire (Dark Horse Comics). An interpretation of the comlink is allowed, but comic accuracy is encouraged. The comlink is painted a matching olive green color and has the following details: The upper section features prominently the raised vertical bars with a black colored speaker area. Underneath the upper section there is a recessed groove before the main body of the comlink. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): On the bottom of the comlink there is a black circular line.

Yup!

Hahahaha man, not looking forward to the pouch discussion. I'm cool with whatever the pouch ended up being called, just being nit-picky again! The pouch description I included above was taken from the previous CRL discussion - I just lifted from the belt pouch description and dropped it in

Two more clarifications - Comlink: I don't know if this line under the comlink (for level 2) is necessary - "On the bottom of the comlink there is a black circular line." I have wondered if it's just a shadow and/or artifacts of a comic drawing. I think the description in level 1 is good enough? Harness: "Right suspender has a vanity pouch attached with the bottom of the pouch positioned with the right chest pouch flap closure." Are we going to be getting questions about what IS a vanity pouch? I am wondering if the verbiage should line up to the language we have for the pouches section. Perhaps the sentence could be updated to - Right suspender has a pouch attached with the bottom of the pouch positioned with the right chest pouch flap closure. The pouch is olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material. The pouch has a top flap, with a strap from top to bottom securing it shut. What do you think about suspending this part of the discussion and come back after we've had a conversation about the pouches?

As the CRL gets refined, so does Eric's build! Today - I modified the harness to belt attachment. I have removed the snap-hook fastener, as well as the tri-glides, to better match the visual for Sunber in the comics. Instead of attaching the harness directly to the belt though, I wanted to give myself some flexibility. So instead, I created a loop at the ends of the harness and sewed them around the belt. This way there are some flexibility in the positioning of the straps, and placement of the pouches.

I know! YOU guys led the way, I am just following along

I love how this discussion is just moving along! Tri-Glides I hadn't thought about the "no tri-glides are present", and just realized that Sunber indeed doesn't have any tri-glides in the comics. Gotta go and remove mine and resize the harness. Though come to think of it, if the tri-glides are not visible, would that be ok for level 2 as well? I am just thinking about the logistics of folks who might want to go from IAT and take on Sunber as a project, and use as much reusable part as possible. That and, generally if we can't see it, it shouldn't matter right? I might end up just making a loop of the harness and pass the belt through - this helps get rid of both the need for the fastener and tri-glides I suppose! Will give it a try this week. Comlink & Pouch Similar to the exchange we had about the pockets under the patches, I do think that both the pouch and the comlink should be a requirement for Sunber even at level 1. Sunber had both of these items available on all the reference images and seems to be unique to his character. I have different feelings about the electrobinoculars (I think they should be optional), but we can talk about that when we get there ? This is a pretty big decision ... any thoughts from @Blackwatchon this? I know he's looked at this extensively as well.

Gloves, revisited! I got a pair of the Rothco Full-Finger Rappelling Gloves and removed the pads from the fingers. I then hit it with some of the Montana olive green paint. The lighting always make these things look so funky, but in person it looks great and matches well w/ the other olive green items!

Concurred. I wish there were ready made olive gloves out there similar to the IAS gloves ... painting leather is such a pain and doesn't look that great up-close, sigh.

Clear enough to me, I think!

Love it! If we want to be a bit more nit-picky about level 2 requirements for the rank bar ... my recommendation would be to insert a line to the effect of this - Buttons are affixed to a single bar with no line in between the 2 red tiles and the 2 blue tiles. Most makers of these ESB lieutenant rank bars make them by affixing two rank bars together, leading to this line in the middle. None of the reference images for Sunber that I have come across has the line in the middle. (I mean heck, my own rank bar has the line in the middle).

I had some time this week to make some more changes to the suit to be closer to the CRL currently being finalized. First up, pocket flaps! I have made new pocket flaps that are rectangular (took more from the pants / sacrificial flight suit). I did this to all 4 of the front pockets (two chest, two leg). I then updated the collar a bit. The current discussion for Sunber's collar pretty much breaks down to - how is the collar made? Is there a visible method of closure (like a snap, or stitches implying a Velcro closure), or is it "seamless", as in there's no visible way of how it closes? Well, since I already made a collar that has a snap attached, I decided to make another collar that is more "seamless". Either way the discussion shakes out, I would have both collars ready to go. So off we go! More fabric from the sacrificial suit! I removed the current collar I made (the collar made from the epaulette + the snap), used it to chalk and outline against the fabric (to get the same angle). I made two pieces of identical collar fabric, so I can make one with the loop attached, and one without. I then sew the two together to create a "seamless" look, while still having the velcro closure. Gotta clean up the seams a bit, but voila! More to come ... think I need to add some snaps onto the pouches. Will wait to see how the CRL discussion shakes out there before continuing.