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Well that's just kind of it: The uniforms for both seasons are the same, but there's color differences within dye batches.
The trooper on the left is browner, the trooper on the right leans greener.
Or a green hat on a brown jacket? The uniforms don't match, but that's exactly how Season 1 was too.
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6 minutes ago, pyro said:
To be honest this might be a separate CRL cause to my eyes the Alhdani troopers are a shade of green and these are shades of brownish tan
We have confirmation from sources within production that these are the exact same costumes, the color difference is down to the show's color grading.
Here's a fabric swatch from Season 1:
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I think this should be the main changes:
- Prominent use of boots with no adjustment straps, so that should probably be moved into an optional thing
- Right handed holsters for Power 5 Blasters
- Power 5 with coil wire (unlike the straight wire in Season 1)
- The new smaller Mudtrooper looking goggles
- Variant with unpainted Flat black Armor (Ferrix/Ghorman style)
- Based on items previously auctioned, it solidifies that the green shade currently in the CRL is totally off. The Mina Rau troopers seem to be color graded much closer to the physical costumes, with some leaning to brown and some leaning to greener
Season 2 retains the mismatched nature of color shades, with some troopers having different color pants or hats
- Riot Baton as previously seen on Ferrix. The same trooper also uses belt boxes in a brighter shade. The belt boxes for Andor have been made with different degrees of shine.
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He folks! With the recent conclusion of Andor S2, I figure we could have a look at upgrades specifically from Season 2?
We previously had a thread with update requests and additions from Season 1, but since @Tal Skirata confirmed the same costumes used on S2, I figured it may be worth setting up a spare thread to look into things specific to Season 2.
I haven't really had a chance to hunt for screenshots yet, but for those interested, here's a good source for 4k Screenshots: https://www.cap-that.com/starwars/andor/?seasontwo
Helps with avoiding photos taken off a TV screen too
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Took a quick moment in photoshop to adjust the CRL Photo of TJ, I hope that's not frowned upon or anything! I was just curious to see what our current CRL pics would look like tone adjusted to match the behind the scenes stuff more closely. If inappropriate, I can delete the post again of course.
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On 10/28/2024 at 12:45 PM, Blackwatch said:
Shayan go ahead and write us up a draft proposal if you would for each.
I'll see if I can get around to it soon. I've been plagued a bit by things IRL, sorry for the holdup!
I've also got this new shot of Kimzi, which shows the green on the uniform in a neutral light. This may mean we might as well look at getting the shade of green we use updated? Since it doesn't get much better than neutral light character shot.
This would probably also confirm that the gray looking armor in the show is a result of color grading, and that it actually is black, like we've heard from Fraser. I think we should probably gather all updates we can and then update for as many attachments and changes as we can in one go?
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I've had pics on the CRL discussion thread featuring E-11, DLT-19 and also the flashlight. We'd also still have the headset to add, and I believe the helmet.
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3 hours ago, NoZoupForYou said:
These are awesome! Are there any that show the baton holder on the belt? We need that
I'll have another look, but these were most relevant shots
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Just grabbed a series of new screenshots off the Andor blu: https://imgur.com/a/4U3OCxp
Just in case there may be any more interesting info here?
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I've not been able to find any good reference, outside of the pictures already posted on the subforum here.
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10 hours ago, TreeHuggerMatt said:
Sorry to ask but I’m struggling about with the paint choice I know the cell says a range of choices but I’m at a loss as what to what that includes.
it’s really hard to get the sw6994 in the uk but I have found what I think might do
Wouks this be in that range?
Considering that the originals aren't painted, but rather just cast in flat black, I'd hold off until adjustments are made (or just go for a black paint outright)
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A new detail I spotted: You can see in the new behind the scenes clip, that the very first hole in the barrel shroud is shaped differently, as if it were to accommodate the hook of a Sterling stock. The stock is of course shorter (or the barrel longer in this case).
The two blasters on the top of this pile seem to be "hero" blasters. They have holes in the barrel shroud. The blaster on the bottom right appears to be a stunt casting of sort. The holes are only hinted at.
You can also see the front sling loop being present on only 1/4 guns. Imo this should lean towards making that sling loop an optional piece.
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I went through all my screenshots and at no point do I see these guys with a 10.5?
I see a single trooper with a non-flashlight R1 E-11.
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Following. For a lot of TIE stuff, Jinta is easily the best. Would love to hear about his DT.
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Two side views for the backpack (4k version linked):
Interesting to note: The backgrounder seemingly has both Baton + Backpack together
Though sadly I don't think these will be quite enough reference to build a good replica 😕
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8 hours ago, Blackwatch said:
See my post above as well ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick.
Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering.
Looking at the footage, the boxes are neither matte, nor the same as R1 boxes.
I'd wager they're the same as Aldhani's: Gunmetal. They're certainly more reflective than the armor. As discussed before, they're also smaller than R1 (this is solidified in the Aldhani CRL)
9 hours ago, Blackwatch said:I just took another look at the backpack. We get the back shot, which is mosty shadowed and we cant see muich in the way of detail.
Two people use it in one scene- that doesnt make it a major prop or part of the continuing storyline.
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I think we can just take the standard R1 E-11 text, delete the flashlight, and use that for the option.
Whether or not they're a major prop shouldn't really matter imo. A lack of reference on the other hand I can totally understand.
I agree on the E-11 (which also still needs adding to the Aldhani text)
On 3/5/2024 at 7:48 PM, IcyTrooper said:Hey all, changes in equipment will be treated like the IAT: Andor trooper we did, as well as how Spec Ops has done CRLs in the past (i.e., Mudtrooper, etc.) with various tabs for specific characters. Thanks DCA team for jumping in to get this wrapped up!
That's great news, and exactly how it should be imo
Thank you!
On 3/4/2024 at 7:54 PM, tipperaryred said:With regards to the optional Radio Backpack, do we have any ID on a found item? It doesn't look on the surface like we'd have much to go on trying to piece it together as a scratch built prop.
The backpack frame is a Clansman GS, the pack itself appears to be built from components used on the Jedha Type 4 Pack or the Artillery pack. Screenshot is in 4K, so please right click and open to see the details!
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Oh yeah, that's really cool! Looks like he has his flashlight still too
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Only difference seems to be a picatinny rail to attach flashlights.
The rail seems to be the same type used on the R1 E-11: https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/41271-rogue-one-e-11-blaster-reference/
Unlike the E-11, the rail seems to be mounted over top the T-Track, rather than having a break in the T-Track.
On 2/22/2024 at 2:14 AM, IcyTrooper said:The only officially approvable blaster for that IAT: Andor trooper in the CRL is the E10.5 blaster. Any other blaster would have to be built by a member with the appropriate reference materials (as you posted) for it to get included, unless there is another blaster out there that another detachment has built that we can pull from from the same TV series.
In that case, we should really add the Rogue One E-11, since it is used on Andor as well
A case could probably be made for the R1 DLT-19 as well. For both, the M300 light gets replaced with the picatinny rail. The props are otherwise identical by the looks of it.
I'm sure whoever provided the blasters for the Mudtrooper/R1TK CRLs would be okay to take one photo with the light removed, if we asked them?
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40 minutes ago, NoZoupForYou said:
They are definitely not the same boots as the Tie Fighter boots. [...]
(but I'd have to go back and check. Not too familiar with Tie Fighter boots.)
As I've elaborated above, it certainly isn't navy boots
I'll just post some more angles on the TIE boots, just for the hell of it. I think they're remarkably close, in shape of the boot's upper, heel placement, no-tread/subtle tread soles, shaft height, etc.
Oh and one more thing: The flap with the adjustment strap? Not all of the Ferrix Troopers actually have that. Like all recent productions, whatever boots are available are used.
Also what the hell is going on with this boot?
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Sorry if I missed something here, but I'm not sure if this is quite the right approach.
Ultimately, the jackboots used on TIE, crew, etc, should all be mid calf height anyway. They boots used here aren't higher or lower at all, especially when you take variety in actor height into consideration. To illustrate, here's a few OT era pics:
Those boots aren't very tall, and if you were to strap shin armor onto that, it would have the same issues with straps as the guys on Andor would. You can also clearly see how the officer boots are much higher.
The wording used on JRS CRLs reads:
- Boots must be mid-calf height, Officer height tall boots or similar are not acceptable.
I would personally prefer keeping as much wording from that JRS read as possible. Nobody wants to go out and buy a new set of boots for what is effectively the same. To say we have a fundamentally different boot is wrong imo.
X sewn into the pull tabs? Why would we specify a thing that only some replicas have, when it can't be found on actual jackboots.
I also don't think these are German Navy boots at all. I'll show you two key features as to why I think this:
1) Drain holes. The top of Navy Boots features a set of drain holes. Why they have that, I cannot say, but I cannot see any of them at all on the references for Aldhani nor Ferrix.
2) Top Seam. You can see a seam running all the way along the circumference of the boot shaft near the height of the top buckle. This is where the drain holes would be too. I've taken liberty to highlight this seam. You will note it is most prominently visible on the third boot in the back.
In German the Term "Knobelbecher" is colloquially used for all various kinds of marching boots that have a shaft and no laces. I don't think we need to replace that word necessarily. Heel height would be eliminated by that also.
Personally, I don't think I'd specify tread type. We're not the RPF and frankly, if you are standing on your boots, nobody is gonna look at your tread. You are literally standing on it after all
Here's what I think this all boils down to: Many CRLs at some point had "calf height" as requirement. And that was just never really correct in the first place. Some CRLs have since been corrected to mid-calf, but this has over time created a larger amount of people that have used too tall boots with their TIEs, Crew, etc. We obviously don't want to push that error forward. To say these are fundamentally different I would disagree however.
I think we should just use the wording from the TIE CRL. It's spot on, describes the right features (ie, be lower, don't be an officer boot) and leaves people with the opportunity to reuse their boots (should they have the right height of course)
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2 hours ago, Blackwatch said:
from looking at the pics I could only tell they were based on Mausers but could not tell the actual model be they DL44 or MSP5.
Its certainly something we can review.
Bunch of screenshots, verbiage for weapon and holster, what type of Mauser used, etc in this thread: https://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/15786-isb-non-saga-imperial-military-officer-power-5-updates/
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This is something that came up while researching some other things for IOC:
The Team on the episode all carry secondary blasters and holsters. How do we feel about adding them to the CRL? Technically those characters are Rebels in disguise, but they have an Imperial Blaster and Holster (except for Cassian)
Some backgrounders also carry holsters:
Noteworthy: Both Left and Right Handed holsters are worn, with crossdrawn and regularly holstered blasters.
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On 9/5/2023 at 4:35 PM, BigJasoni said:
Interesting thing about this trooper is that he's not wearing armor, so with respect to the version we're discussing, I'm not sure if this one counts. I believe this guy is in the same uniform as backpack guy, so I think maybe a different trooper.
However, we did a version 1 and 2 for Aldhani, so maybe this is the same situation. I think we'd have to look closer at the complete costume to make that decision. Do we have any full-body shots of these guys?
I might have to watch Rix Road again, which isn't a bad thing at all. Every time I've gone through the scenes, I've been fixated on the armored up security troopers; this might be a fun little side project.
You can see the guys taking off their hats and putting on armor in Rix Road:
Based on that, I think it is reasonable to say it's the same trooper with accessories/versions, like Aldhani. Say for example Ver 1 being Armor + Helmet, ver 2 being soft goods, etc.
@Blackwatch Hope things are better for you soon!
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On 9/1/2023 at 11:27 AM, NoZoupForYou said:
I'm headed out on a two week cruise tomorrow, so I am going to jump the gun, so to speak, on a few of the items and add my thoughts just in case they are looked at while I am gone.
E-11, I touched on this one. I don't think any used it at all. It was all straight up batons. The black series figure comes with an E11, but that is an anomaly. While if someone want to troop with a blaster, I don't see that as an issue, but I wouldn't add it in any way to the CRL.
The trooper in the Hotel has one, so at least one Trooper has the option
[SPOILERS] Mina-Rau Updates
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Just to provide reference, here's Season 1 behind the scenes pics with less/no color grading on there:
Taramyn's Uniform leaning closer to brown, Skeen closer to green