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Hey Tom. I'm a GML for our Garrison and my suggestion would be that if you would like to make them removable that you do it in a way that they look like they are molded in. You could trim them on the vertical edges so that when you look at the armor straight on, the seam isn't aparant. Palce a magnet on the inside of the armor and onthe back of the greeblie to hold it in place. Every Garrison review is focused on having the costume look screen accurate when photographed. If your build doesn't look just like the costume in the story that it appears in, it won't pass. And yes, the details matter.

Brent I'm good with the idea of using fabric for the inside of the Kama. I think we have to be very clear that it's black cogs on a red field (background). Red cogs on a black field wouldn't be screen accurate. For level 2, I think we can say that the red is embossed to form the black cog, or something to that effect.

@Kenyon do we still have the onset group from California in this forum? We have a question on the material that was used for the inner side of the Kama. The black cogs on the red field. If they have any input to help us identify how that part was created, it would help immensely.

Helmet Gloss black in color, consistent with the rest of the costume. Lens must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. The eye lens is one continuous piece with a mirrored red tint. The central vocoder (chin detail) may be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate or it may be molded as a part of the mouth plate, but with a prominent recessed outline to create the appearance of being separate. The top part of the vocoder is rectangular in shape, with two clipped dog ears on the top corners. A smaller plate of identical shape sits on the top of this panel, leaving a narrow margin around each edge. There is also an angular cut out at the top of the right edge of this plate. A second rectangular plate sits on the top of the first, covering approximately 40% of bottom of the lower plate. There is a raised horizontal line on the lower left side of this top plate. There is a small square recess underneath this raised horizontal line. The main body of the vocoder sits below the panel described above. 9 raised ridges run vertically across the vocoder. Angled wings at the top of either side of the vocoder ridges, each slightly under approximately 50% of the length of these ridges. These wings angle down to the rest on top of the main mouth plate. Square profile side tusks run back from the lower edges of this front plate. Recessed rectangular metallic silver screens are inset into the greeblie in the front of each side tusk. Each greeblie has a raised ridge on 3 sides, angling up from the bottom side of the greeblie. 6 pill shapped symmetrical recessed stripes on each tusk, with the bottom of the recesses filled with red to match the pauldron, belt accessories and left bicep armor. A small raised horizontal rectangle with a recessed line is located below the vocoder. The frown must have 10 teeth cut out and any raised teeth or angled recesses are painted silver. There is a silver rectangular plate on the nose, between the teeth and the front plate, with a silver half moon greeble on top. This plate is recessed below the angled face plates on either side. The half moon greeble is level with the adjacent face plates. There is symmetrical recesses with a pill shaped greeblie on each side between the side tubes and the cheeks. The top of the greeblies are split in half with the top half being flat and the bottom half having 4 raised ridges that are level with the flat half. There are sharp angular cheekbones sculpted into helmet face plate running in a triangular shape below the lens opening. There are 3 raised ridges run from the center of the brow, over the top of the helmet and down to the rear center of the helmet skirt. The central ridge is approximately 2.5 times wider than the ridges to either side of it. A winged greeblie sits below the center of the brow ridge and above the eye lens. The top of the helmet is separated from the face plate by a horizontal band running above the brow. A groove separates the top of the helmet and the rear skirt, running across the back of the helmet, meeting the brow band on either side. The side greebles (communicators/range finders) are attached on top of the joints between the band and the ridge on either side of the helmet. Symmetrical rectangular greebles (communicators/range finders) with semi-circular ridges underneath, present at the back of each side of the brow band, situated on top of the point where the front band meets the rear groove. The greeblie contains two raised and stacked squares, each with a circular LED or sculpted imitation located near the front, and a single recessed line in the shape of a square outlining the back two thirds of the greeble. OPTIONAL - The top and bottom may be lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red. There are 2 small pill shaped double indentation in the bottom corners of the faceplate, under each ear. The rear indentation is vertical and slightly longer than the front indentation that angles toward the front of the helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The central vocoder (chin detail) shall be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate. The aforementioned greeblie on the back of each side of the brow band must have the top and bottom lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red. Thanks Brett. That's so helpful to pull everything up in the string. I brought the helmet up too.

Here is an image from the live action costume from Kenobi. It was the Hot Toys Display that was set up in Japan. As you can see this isn't fabric. It looks like vinyl that had the cog imprinted or debossed somehow. Some suggested that it was 3D printed using 2 color TPU flex filament. I created a printing die and pressed that onto red vinyl to get the results below. If the decision is made to open up the base approval to allow fabric as an option for standard approval, then we can definitely modify the outline and make the Level 2 approval vinyl.

Kama Exterior of Kama: - Black leather or leather like material - Top is divided into four large panels - Three small pleated panels run along the bottom - width of each panel matches larger panel and height is divided equally. (roughly 40 mm per panel) - There is a slit separating the center of the Kama that runs from the bottom and stops 1/3 of the way from the top Interior of Kama: - Red leather or leather like material that matches red used on armor - Divided into four large panels that run top to bottom - Black repeating cog pattern covers entire interior. Each row is offset from the row above and below. (each roughly 12-15 mm dia.) - Red cording runs along front edge on both sides and matches red used on armor - Belt loop runs around top edge of Kama - Nylon or leather strap runs through belt loop and is secured with black parachute clip Kama starts at the exterior edge of the front belt boxes. Kama flows to the bottom of the knee armor. Kama is worn under utility belt that covers belt loop and parachute clip.

I think we still have gloves to do for the soft parts.

Brent. That's great that you verified the base armor with FBFX. I contacted them awhile back and never heard anything. It will definitely make writing the CRL much more straightforward.

I've been meaning to start the outline for the kama. I looked at the other CRLs and the best base I could find was the officers from the clone detachment. Unless anyone else knows of a better base to start with.

Agreed.

I've attached mine with elastic to allow them to go over the wider part of the shoe and stay tight around the arch that would be more narrow.

To my knowledge the spats are the same material as the armor. That's how my kit is designed. And yes, they do secure under the boot. We haven't discussed this yet on the forum l, as I assumed it was part of the armor and we are still focused on the soft parts.

We'll have to get tipperaryred to review this. I'm wondering about being so specific about the sole of the boot. I had a hell of a time finding anything close. I did find a more flat sole but it still has a fairly heavy tread that I'm debating about grinding off. Keeptrooping is the only studio that I've found that offers the exact match and they only open up for a limited time to take orders and then close their catalog until they get caught up. I suggest that we consider being a little more relaxed for basic approval and add the more descriptive information for level 2. That makes it a little easier for people to source something.

We can wait to see if anyone from the set is able to confirm the closure. How about you work on the boots and I'll outline the kama so we can keep this moving.

I agree with Daniel that there is probably a closure toward the back of the shoulder. I can also go back to the episode of Kanobi and see if I can find a reference. Real images of the back are hard to find. We only have the hot toys model. That's not a great resource as we've discussed.

I thought I posted this last week, but it's still in my draft window. So here it is: Do we have any pictures from the back? It would help to verify. We'll also need them for the backpack when we get to it. I know one of the guys who was on set should be able to answer this fairly quickly. If there isn't a closure, does it fit over your head? The one I've already made needs a closure. I couldn't get my head through the neck hole without it.

Brent, I think Daniel outlined the neck seal and made it more clear. Take a look and see if there's anything that needs further discussion. Just to update the status of the CRL to keep this moving, I wanted to get a consensus from the group. Can we call the helmet done? Do we feel the under suit is also complete? With the neck seal update from Daniel, is there anything else we need to discuss? If these three pieces are good for everyone, let's move onto the pauldron. Then we can decide if we want to finish the soft parts and work on the Kama and gloves, or go back to the heads down approach and cover the upper body armor starting with the shoulder bells and moving to the chest and back plate with backpack.

Everything looks good to me. I think all of the tweaks will help. I started the pauldron but let me know if this is the next logical piece to outline.

Starting the Pauldron. Thoughts??? Pauldron lvl. 1 Made of vinyl material. Five black angled panel sections of descending size are placed on the front and on the back of base. A black narrow center panel section joins the front and back base panels near the neckline Shoulder panel consists of a large red panel large enough to cover the entire body of the pauldron trimmed with black. A 15 mm silver snap covering a black strip appear on the front and back edge Snap attaches to 15 mm strap that runs under the arm and attaches front to back of pauldron lvl. 2 Black base and strap are made of leather.

neck seal Lvl:1 Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. Bib is attached to neck seal using black material. If Bib is worn outside of undersuit it must be made from same ribbing material as undersuit. Bib must be large enough to cover the entire neck opening of the chest and back armor

Ryan, I think the helmet outline additions are good. The one question I have is around the added section about the teeth. I think we should clarify by removing the text about the cut outs. We discussed having an option to have the recess go all the way through and back it with a screen like some of the Tie helmet requirements, or have a base at the bottom. The conversation was to have a solid base at the bottom in the recessed area. The frown must have 10 teeth cut out and any raised teeth or angled recesses are painted silver. Frown must have 10 angled teeth that are separated by recessed gaps - all painted silver. Gaps can not cut through to the inside.

Lvl:1 Base undersuit is black, non-textured material, either one or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs. Zippers are optional but must not be visible. Ribbing material must be present anywhere undersuit is shown All ribbing must be horizontal Each rib and groove can be no wider than 3mm or 1/8 inch (one rib and one groove equal 6 mm or 1/4 inch) Lvl:2 The undersuit is one piece construction A zipper runs along the entire front and encloses the front of the undersuit. Non-visible areas of undersuit (forearms, center of thighs, waist and calves) are black, non-textured material stitched to ribbed material.

Maybe I'm not clear on what your writing about the smooth fabric so I'm just going to verify my suggestion. The smooth area is the same as the non-ribbed area. So there are two materials/fabrics used. One that has the horizontal ribbed fabric for all visible areas and the other non-visible areas are the smooth spandex or lycra fabric. Are we saying the same thing?

A couple of things. It was stated earlier in the forum that there is no level 3 option in Spec. Ops CRLs. So we'll have to have lvl. 1 & 2 For the following line we may want to outline the smooth material with fabric names and I also think we should state that the lower calves are also this material. The forearms and lower calf area are made from a smooth, stretchable fabric such as spandex or lycra. thoughts?

Sounds good. I'll adjust the outline and write an adjusted version to require the ribbing for lvl.1