RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, quigontimm said: Would it be appropriate to cite dimensions of each of the boxes? Really, any of these descriptors are relative. Dimensions would be the most definitive guidance. We have the dimensions in the initial CRL proposal discussion that took place last year and it was decided to hold off on those for 2 reasons... 1) A GML typically just receives front/back full body submission photos...sometimes sides. The dimensions of the box are unidentifiable from those types of shots. 2) If we add the dimensions (at least at Level 1), then we have GMLs asking for additional photos for submission using measuring tape up against each box/side. I am for accurate costumes but that would be excessive for a Level 1 applicant. Now, Level 2 addition...possibly. 1 Link to comment
quigontimm[TX] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Raider said: We have the dimensions in the initial CRL proposal discussion that took place last year and it was decided to hold off on those for 2 reasons... 1) A GML typically just receives front/back full body submission photos...sometimes sides. The dimensions of the box are unidentifiable from those types of shots. 2) If we add the dimensions (at least at Level 1), then we have GMLs asking for additional photos for submission using measuring tape up against each box/side. I am for accurate costumes but that would be excessive for a Level 1 applicant. Now, Level 2 addition...possibly. Ah! that totally makes sense! 1 Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Are we adding a hero version or doing a separate CRL for Han? Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 You guys know Pantone isn't some stupid expensive color? I got mine from My Perfect Color...buy like 4 cans and it's like 40 bucks with shipping. In the grand scheme of things that is pretty cheap. Considering you're gonna do coats and also have some on spare for repairs (or resell). Link to comment
quigontimm[TX] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, GottMitUns205 said: You guys know Pantone isn't some stupid expensive color? I got mine from My Perfect Color...buy like 4 cans and it's like 40 bucks with shipping. In the grand scheme of things that is pretty cheap. Considering you're gonna do coats and also have some on spare for repairs (or resell). Krylon Italian Olive Satin. 1 Link to comment
JAFO[TX] Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, quigontimm said: Krylon Italian Olive Satin. The Pantone removal is not about expense or availability but rather accuracy. As stated, 350U is a misleading reference - it really means nothing unless combined with 433U. A more generic colour makes sense. Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, JAFO said: The Pantone removal is not about expense or availability but rather accuracy. As stated, 350U is a misleading reference - it really means nothing unless combined with 433U. A more generic colour makes sense. You basically combine both colors to get the desired look. However mudtroopers really are a muted blue green, italian olive doesn't give you that. You can skate with applying 433u ontop of the olive as I did, you're in the ballpark. Keep something in mind, Lewis told me they were doing sets of 15-30. The look and color is not gonna be consistent. Some where full oversprays, some where drive by sprays. If it were me, 433u as a top coat should be mandatory level 2. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, GottMitUns205 said: Are we adding a hero version or doing a separate CRL for Han? Han is a "good guy" and unlike the rest of Beckett's crew (which are never labeled or depicted as such) would not be a 501st approvable character. I.E. There are no approvable helmet-less TK versions of Han, Luke, or even Finn's bloody helmet. 1 Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Raider said: Han is a "good guy" and unlike the rest of Beckett's crew (which are never labeled or depicted as such) would not be a 501st approvable character. I.E. There are no approvable helmet-less TK versions of Han, Luke, or even Finn's bloody helmet. Here is my point though, he's not. He's Imperial Army and only after he meets up with Beckett he deserts. His costume has a few changes in it, and it may be worth exploring. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, GottMitUns205 said: Here is my point though, he's not. He's Imperial Army and only after he meets up with Beckett he deserts. His costume has a few changes in it, and it may be worth exploring. LMOs won't clear it. The precedent for that is pretty much set since ANH...but Finn would be a better example...it's a rejected costume even though he was officially a First Order Trooper when his bucket was bloodied. I have a local friend that attempted to pass it and it was denied. What you are suggesting falls into that category. This was discussed and covered however in the early Mudtrooper CRL discussions last year. Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Raider said: LMOs won't clear it. The precedent for that is pretty much set since ANH...but Finn would be a better example...it's a rejected costume even though he was officially a First Order Trooper when his bucket was bloodied. I have a local friend that attempted to pass it and it was denied. What you are suggesting falls into that category. This was discussed and covered however in the early Mudtrooper CRL discussions last year. ? Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Focusing on your proposed points @JAFO...it seems that color is the biggest update. I'm open to wording and adjusting that to how you guys all feel. It can be removed and replaced w/ a generic color OR as @GottMitUns205 suggested we can beef it up w/ the added color topcoat. I'm ok w/ either...whatever will keep the troops as uniform in color as possible. Lower belt is cleaned up as @87ninefiveone suggested by @Blackwatch . Are we ok w/ his updated wording of that? Do we want to add the box dimensions to Level 2 (that's an added thing to be cleared in order to achieve Specialist rank here at the detachment) that @quigontimm asked about? Goggles...text needs adjusting and an updated item pic. I would add, that we have the ability now to add galleries to CRLs with additional detail pictures and views. See the Imperial Army Sapper or Shadow Scout CRLs for examples. Some of the goggle strapping and glides can be done in closeup in the gallery. Add DLT-19....flashlight on right side? Lastly...the respirator. I had 2 questions about... 1) Removing rubber trim. Adding in the rubber mask interior? I believe I saw somewhere that it was like a spray paint rubber mask or somesuch. 2) Can you elaborate on the M4 hex screw vs. simply hex screw? That was a detail heavily debated in staff area as going entirely Level 2 last year. We settled on Level 1 for it. Can the specific type go Level 2? Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, GottMitUns205 said: ? Sorry mate! Trust me...I go to bat for costumes...I have LMO clearance to do the others in the gang...but Han was a no go back when. I can ask one more time...new LMO team. Who knows. Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Raider said: Focusing on your proposed points @JAFO...it seems that color is the biggest update. I'm open to wording and adjusting that to how you guys all feel. It can be removed and replaced w/ a generic color OR as @GottMitUns205 suggested we can beef it up w/ the added color topcoat. I'm ok w/ either...whatever will keep the troops as uniform in color as possible. Lower belt is cleaned up as @87ninefiveone suggested by @Blackwatch . Are we ok w/ his updated wording of that? Do we want to add the box dimensions to Level 2 (that's an added thing to be cleared in order to achieve Specialist rank here at the detachment) that @quigontimm asked about? Goggles...text needs adjusting and an updated item pic. I would add, that we have the ability now to add galleries to CRLs with additional detail pictures and views. See the Imperial Army Sapper or Shadow Scout CRLs for examples. Some of the goggle strapping and glides can be done in closeup in the gallery. Add DLT-19....flashlight on right side? Lastly...the respirator. I had 2 questions about... 1) Removing rubber trim. Adding in the rubber mask interior? I believe I saw somewhere that it was like a spray paint rubber mask or somesuch. 2) Can you elaborate on the M4 hex screw vs. simply hex screw? That was a detail heavily debated in staff area as going entirely Level 2 last year. We settled on Level 1 for it. Can the specific type go Level 2? The only photo we have of the DLT up close and not super foggy has the light on the right side mid barrel. I'm making the assumptions it's the same light as the e-10/E-11. Upon chatting with Darren, I'm not so sure how comfortable about being spray paint nazis now. Will GML's have to get photos of the spray cans used? I mean honestly we could just go with "blue grey green" top coat. Or we add in level 3 and flat out say "has to be Pantone colors X and X with photos of the cans used." Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Raider said: Sorry mate! Trust me...I go to bat for costumes...I have LMO clearance to do the others in the gang...but Han was a no go back when. I can ask one more time...new LMO team. Who knows. Honestly his costume has significant differences than the rest of the muddies, it's not just cosmetic it's worth a shot tbh. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, GottMitUns205 said: The only photo we have of the DLT up close and not super foggy has the light on the right side mid barrel. I'm making the assumptions it's the same light as the e-10/E-11. Upon chatting with Darren, I'm not so sure how comfortable about being spray paint nazis now. Will GML's have to get photos of the spray cans used? I mean honestly we could just go with "blue grey green" top coat. Or we add in level 3 and flat out say "has to be Pantone colors X and X with photos of the cans used." Level 3 isn't really a program here at Spec Ops...it's either Level 1 (Basic Approval) or Level 2 (Specialist) for us. Anything past Level 1 doesnt go through GMLs. It goes through us here at Spec Ops...the Specialist approval team. So theoretically, GMLs shouldn't be that strict on the paint color we list at Level 2. Currently, Mudtroopers don't have an approved Level 2 Specialist, but myself and @Blackwatch would be involved w/ that approval along with Mudtroopers on staff @Tarrif and @rickyboyblue So I guess what I'm saying is...the spray paint police would only be here at Spec Ops. We could (would?) require shots of the paint cans used, etc. Level 1 should only have a generic color listed. Level 2 can be as accurate as we wish to make it...someone mentioned earlier it would be a shame to lose the colors we know were used. Good info. I kind of agree with that statement. The other side of that though is...will Level 2 be achievable by anyone if we stick to the color demands? Speaking of Level 2 requirements...is the tunic fabric hard to come by in the real world? The few troopers I've talked to that look EXCELLENT (in my opinion) have been held up on a Level 2 application due to that fabric. Do we need to make an adjustment there as well? Link to comment
GottMitUns205[501st] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Raider said: Level 3 isn't really a program here at Spec Ops...it's either Level 1 (Basic Approval) or Level 2 (Specialist) for us. Anything past Level 1 doesnt go through GMLs. It goes through us here at Spec Ops...the Specialist approval team. So theoretically, GMLs shouldn't be that strict on the paint color we list at Level 2. Currently, Mudtroopers don't have an approved Level 2 Specialist, but myself and @Blackwatch would be involved w/ that approval along with Mudtroopers on staff @Tarrif and @rickyboyblue So I guess what I'm saying is...the spray paint police would only be here at Spec Ops. We could (would?) require shots of the paint cans used, etc. Level 1 should only have a generic color listed. Level 2 can be as accurate as we wish to make it...someone mentioned earlier it would be a shame to lose the colors we know were used. Good info. I kind of agree with that statement. The other side of that though is...will Level 2 be achievable by anyone if we stick to the color demands? Speaking of Level 2 requirements...is the tunic fabric hard to come by in the real world? The few troopers I've talked to that look EXCELLENT (in my opinion) have been held up on a Level 2 application due to that fabric. Do we need to make an adjustment there as well? If people are going to really go "full mud" then we should stick by the 433u. Link to comment
areilly Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Raider said: Speaking of Level 2 requirements...is the tunic fabric hard to come by in the real world? The few troopers I've talked to that look EXCELLENT (in my opinion) have been held up on a Level 2 application due to that fabric. Do we need to make an adjustment there as well? Regarding the fabric. I was able to buy some olive bull denim, that after some gray weathering might fit the bill. But even that olive isn’t an easy color to find. However in months of searching I haven’t found an olive gray bull denim. I found an olive gray twill, while technically not a bull denim is still a twill like bull denim. My next route was looking at getting natural undyed bull denim which is fairly easy to find and dyeing it to olive gray. But that is quite a bit of work and would be really difficult to be consistent. The technical definition of a bull denim is a 3x1 twill weave with warp and weft threads dyed together as the same color. Personally I think the fabric choice should be made a little more generic by calling for a heavy/medium weight twill - even “bull denim” seems to be a term mostly used to describe upholstery fabric, and the even less common bull drill or cotton drill terms occasionally showing up for clothing weight fabrics. I could show someone a mid/heavy twill fabric, call it bull denim, and they’d never know the difference unless it’s someone familiar enough with fabrics to tell the difference between a 3x1 and 2x1 twill weave. On the left is a heavy 3x1 bull denim, on the right a medium 2x1 twill. Side by side, and close up like this you can tell the difference, but at arms length most couldn’t tell them apart. Reference image also for comparison. “Mid to heavy weight, Olive gray twill fabric” I think would suffice. It definitely needs to be a twill for the accurate look, and not a light weight fabric so that it looks like a jacket and doesn’t drape like a shirt, but the bull denim part is going to be impractical IMO even for level 2. 2 Link to comment
JAFO[TX] Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 I can’t even recall when Bull Denim came in to the conversation. My production source only ever described the screen used material as “heavyweight olive grey denim”. 3 Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Mudtrooper references thread updated. I could use a nice close-up reference of the DLT-19 (with flashlight if available) if anyone has a pic of such. Let's save color discussion for last (again lol) then. Tunic...so there are no major qualms then about adjusting the text and removing "bull denim"? Link to comment
merkava74[TX] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I wholeheartedly support the removal of bull denim. On the colours bit, I would like to raise the point that when names of colours are dropped, they are generally from a particular part of the world where it is readily available to be procured. For example, Montana Gold Yellow Cab. Not so easy to source in other parts of the world, and even more challenging to import aerosol cans by air. But I agree that it is good to stay true to the actual screen used paint since it is found. If I can suggest, adding the words “similar in shade to <actual colour>“ might provide some much needed allowance for those who do not have easy access to them, while staying true to the documentation of what was actually used. For consideration, thanks. 1 Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, merkava74 said: I wholeheartedly support the removal of bull denim. On the colours bit, I would like to raise the point that when names of colours are dropped, they are generally from a particular part of the world where it is readily available to be procured. For example, Montana Gold Yellow Cab. Not so easy to source in other parts of the world, and even more challenging to import aerosol cans by air. But I agree that it is good to stay true to the actual screen used paint since it is found. If I can suggest, adding the words “similar in shade to <actual colour>“ might provide some much needed allowance for those who do not have easy access to them, while staying true to the documentation of what was actually used. For consideration, thanks. I can agree with this. Thanks for the international perspective! 1 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 On 5/21/2019 at 7:01 PM, Raider said: LMOs won't clear it. The precedent for that is pretty much set since ANH...but Finn would be a better example...it's a rejected costume even though he was officially a First Order Trooper when his bucket was bloodied. I have a local friend that attempted to pass it and it was denied. What you are suggesting falls into that category. This was discussed and covered however in the early Mudtrooper CRL discussions last year. HAN Raider is right. This is a very old discussion that pre-dates my ten years in the Legion. Han belongs to the RL. Ive seen this discussion come up in both clubs a couple of dozen times, it comes up in each at least twice a year. Screw is this the M4 screw being referred to? https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-M4-0-7-x-25-mm-Zinc-Plated-Steel-Socket-Cap-Recessed-Hex-Screw-3-per-Bag-803258/204281932 Im going to head out of town for a few hours, and when I get back, I will make up the changes, including someting along the lines of color similar to. I concur that unit members in the same garrison should match, it was a big thing in the Rebel Infantry when I ran that, making sure that people in the same Base used the same paints, and that the same guy painted everones gear "when possibiel" I painted all of our gear here and when we stand in a group, our camoflauge matches. so color consistency is appreciated. 1 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Ok so busy day today, got a lot of things on the home front accomplished. So lets take a look at this proposals: Take a good look at the gogggle text. I added the requested line to the bottom of the text as published. Is this not the same thing? · Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. · Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). · 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. OK< HERE IS THE UPDATED PROPOSAL FOR CHANGES TO THE MUD TROOPER. I lost some of the formatting going between the CRL, WORD and here in the forum, but the text remains the same. Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below. Helmet · An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. · A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned with the rim. · The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is black. · The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. · A small tactical flashlight may be worn below the telemetry unit. · A rubber trim, or the illusion of a rubber trim covers the edge of the helmet rim with the join made at the rear center of the helmet. · Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. These may be weathered. · The helmet is to be painted in matte field grey to match the armor. The helmet paint finish may be textured, and is moderately weathered. · Helmet has a black chin cup with tan webbing strap. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · The helmet has a black/dark gray polystyrene inner liner consistent with that of a skate or bike helmet. · The telemetry unit may feature a tied length of elastic bungee cord, approx. 0.2" (4-5mm) in diameter, looped around the outer upper section. · If worn, tactical flashlight on right side of helmet is approx. 3.5" (90mm) black aluminum flashlight with knurling at both ends and a rubber push switch. Flashlight need not be functional. · Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. Goggles · Goggles shall have an aged chrome frame with detail painting, and weathering to match reference image. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance. · Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. · Goggles have dark angled lens featuring two flat panels on each side. · Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. · The goggle strap features a number of buckles: o There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. o A large buckle greeblie on the lefthand side through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a beige square. o Two black tri-glides on the right rear through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. · Goggles may be worn over the eyes or on the brim of the helmet OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. · Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). · 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. Respirator · The respirator is large enough to cover the lower half of the wearers’ face. · The respirator shall be painted matte field grey and moderately weathered. · The respirator has a ‘mouth’ which features a curved bottom, short curved vertical sides and arched top where the tubes attach. · The mouth is painted matte black. · The mouth features seven vertical cut-outs in the top center. The three center lines shall be equal length and run from the top of the mouth to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down in size incrementally. · A silver colored metallic mesh is visible through the cut-outs. · The respirator features two rounded tusks that extend either side of the mouth. · The end of each tusk features a filter. · The filters are aged chrome in color and have a raised center ring with three branches connecting to the outer ring. · Sides of the filter slope to meet the tusks of the mask. · Metallic mesh is visible through between the branches of the filter. · Above each tusk is a black colored buckle through which tan webbing straps are fed. Each strap connects to a metal snap hook. These hooks are used to connect the respirator to the neck strap. · The neck strap consists of a length of tan webbing with metal D-Rings sewn in to place. · Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. · The respirator can be worn to cover the face or suspended around the neck of the wearer. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · The respirator color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U · The metallic mesh for the mouth and filters consist of a rounded diamond pattern. · In the center of each tusk filter is a M4 hex socket cap screw. · Webbing used is 3/4" (19mm) in width. Hoses · Two black proportionally sized rubber breathing hoses, connect either side of the vertical cut-outs of the mouth. · The hose extends over each shoulder and connects to the hose connectors located at the top of the back plate. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Hoses are approx. 30mm outer dimension, Scarf · A military style scarf is worn around the neck and tucked within the open space of the tunic collar beneath the chest plate. · The color may be solid dark olive grey or solid green and should contrast with the tunic. Poncho · Plash Palatka Style Poncho. · Poncho is dyed or painted black. · Tied or otherwise attached under the chest armor and worn to cover the back plate. · Poncho shall be heavily weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Ring Grommets shall be leather to match reference photo or metal grommets shall be covered with leather to mimic leather grommets. Tunic/Jacket · A long-sleeved, Olive Grey, jacket that falls between upper and mid-thigh. · Has a high mandarin style collar with an open space in front. · Has two panels on either side of the front, extending to the bottom of the jacket. · Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm. Look may be created with top stitching. · If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket, with no covering flaps present. · No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor. · Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Jacket is made of an Olive Grey heavy weight twill material. · There is an imperial cog patch sewn on each shoulder and are made of an embossed 3D vinyl material. · There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom of the seam where the arm connects to the body. Chest Armor · Chest Armor matches visual references. · Accurate shape/design to front of chest. · There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. · Buckles attache to upper chest plate. · Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. · To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. · Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. · On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. · Chest and straps shall be painted matte field grey and be moderately weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U Back Armor · Back Plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. · Chest and back plate meet at the sides. · Black foam extends from the arm openings. · 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. · Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside. · The walls and floor the recesses shall be matte field grey. · Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside. · Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The floor of the cut out and the walls inside match the matte olive green color of the armor. · Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. · There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recess. · There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. · There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. · Shoulder straps are matte olive green with moderate weathering and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. · Back plate is painted matte field grey with moderate weathering. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · The hose fittings are angled forward, and approximately the same size as the hoses. · Black fabric or leather loop drop down from the bottom of the back plate through which belts must pass through. · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U Shoulder Armor · Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other. · The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical. · Shoulders should have a longer flat edge that covers top of bicep with a shorter flat edge that connects to chest armor · Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. · Shoulders are painted matte field grey with moderate weathering. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U Biceps · Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top. · Left bicep is matte olive grey with moderate weathering. · Right bicep armor is painted red with three yellow squares on the cover strip, with moderate weathering. · Each bicep may feature a slanted fishook detail that is inset into the bicep top facing outward. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Left bicep green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. · Right bicep color is a close match to Toyota Red 3E5 · Yellow color is a close match to Montana Yellow Cab. Gloves · Black gloves with black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, forefinger and middle finger. · Back of palm, ring finger and pinky have no leather on the back side · Gloves have a U-shaped Velcro closure around the wrist. · Gloves shall have all logos removed. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Gloves are Highlander Special Ops gloves #GL033-BK, or an authentic replication. Upper Belt · The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. · Approximately 2" (50mm) in width, up to 3" (76mm) is acceptable. · There are no loops on the belt. · A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25mm) from the buckle. · The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. · The buckle is a standard officer buckle painted with matte olive green paint and is moderately weathered. · Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. o Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Two boxes shall be present on either side of buckle. Dimensions are approximately 2" (50mm) by 3" (76mm) by 1" (25mm). · Box color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. · Belt shall be weathered appropriately. Lower Belt The lower belt is optional but is preferred for approval. Belt is black and is made from two nylon web straps sewn together. The belt features six boxes. 1 x large drop box on the right side of the belt. 2x small and 2x medium worn in the center of the belt. 1x long drop box worn on the left side of the belt. Drop box is longer than the large box on the right side of the belt. Boxes shall be painted matte field grey and moderately weathered. Belt shall be worn loosely across lower abdomen. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Two nylon web straps are sewn together with a zig zag pattern. · The two nylon straps together are approximately 3" (76mm) · Long drop box is hinged. · Green color is similar Pantone 350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. Pants · Black pants with double reinforced thighs. · They do not have visible pockets or other adornment on the legs. · Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Pants are made using heavy cotton Shins · The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the boots using two rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves. · Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle. · The rubber straps are ribbed, and equal in size. · Straps extend from each buckle, and the inner side of the greaves. · A “T” shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee. · The ‘T” shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised. · Two triangular ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the “T” shaped knee plate. · The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image. · The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot. · Shins are painted matte field grey with heavy weathering. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Green color is similar to Pantone 350U · Rubber straps are approx. 1.5” (40mm) wide Boots · Jackboot or kersey boot style, knee high smooth black leather or leather like material. · Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. · Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot. This need not be functional. · Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. · Boots shall be tall enough to fit both shin straps. · Boots shall be heavily weathered. · Boots should form fit to the calf and not be loose. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Boots do not have a zipper. · Boots are made of leather. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. Ammo Pouch · Yugoslavian M49 - M56 SMG style ammo pouch or replica. Replica must be made from leather or leather-like material. · Pouch is fitted with two straps. · May be worn on either right or left chest with upper strap placed over the right shoulder and the lower strap across the chest passing under the left arm. · The pouch may also be worn around the waist and sit on the left · May be worn with upper strap over the right shoulder with the lower strap across the chest then passes under the left arm. · Pouches shall be weathered or otherwise aged. · Oiler pouch is optional and may be worn on the upper strap above the main pouches. . . Ammo Pouch Bandolier · 4 pouch 5.56mm ammunition cloth bandoleer. The pouches have been modified to make the pockets larger. · Pouch is fitted with two straps and worn over left shoulder to right abdomen. · Pouches shall be stuffed to appear full. Grenade · The grenade is based on the design of a WW1 German stick grenade. · The stick features a number of raised ridges. · A button pad greeblie is present on the stick. · The cylinder at the head of the grenade features 10 ribs. · Grenade is attached via a strap looped through or attached to the ammo pouch shoulder buckle. Strap is attached to either side of the grenade’s center greeblie with loops around the shaft of the grenade and closed with snap buttons. Medic Bicep · Replaces the red version of the bicep. · Right bicep armor is painted white with three heavily weathered yellow stripes on the cover strip. · There is a red image facing front that matches reference photos. · Bicep shall have moderate weathering OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Yellow color is similar to Montana Gold Yellow Cab. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 @Blackwatch Looks good. Lower belt and tunic settled. I feel that what you did there is a good compromise of the color. Keeps the Pantones but provides some flexibility. Shins need the color update as well however. I think the goggle strapping last line can be combined or be a sub-bullet of the line above it regarding the 25mm. It's an extension description of how the strapping should be accomplished. These would be the remaining items that need to be settled then: 1) M4 hex screw. Does the specificity of M4 need to be Level 1 (personally I feel not) or Level 2? 2) DLT-19 added to optional w/ flashlight. I need reference shots emphasizing that please. 3) Drop box approx. dimensions. Pull those in for Level 2 or leave out entirely. 4) Respirator rubber trim. It's being removed, but I believe I read somewhere that while it isn't rubber trim, it was confirmed that there is an interior mask which is what gave us the appearance of trim. Maybe I misread or am remembering wrong. Are we adding that in place of the trim? See picture below as an example. Link to comment
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