Bozzy[501st] Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 It was similar according to Lewis but of a harder material almost like fast cast.. black in colour and taking up most of the interior of the resp. I suspect the same things were used for other characters within the visual dictionary. 1 Link to comment
Bozzy[501st] Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 This is mine , its an enlarged version of the file that came with the resp … looking at originals i suspect its even bigger still 1 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Raider said: @Blackwatch Looks good. Lower belt and tunic settled. I feel that what you did there is a good compromise of the color. Keeps the Pantones but provides some flexibility. Shins need the color update as well however. I think the goggle strapping last line can be combined or be a sub-bullet of the line above it regarding the 25mm. It's an extension description of how the strapping should be accomplished. These would be the remaining items that need to be settled then: 1) M4 hex screw. Does the specificity of M4 need to be Level 1 (personally I feel not) or Level 2? 2) DLT-19 added to optional w/ flashlight. I need reference shots emphasizing that please. 3) Drop box approx. dimensions. Pull those in for Level 2 or leave out entirely. 4) Respirator rubber trim. It's being removed, but I believe I read somewhere that while it isn't rubber trim, it was confirmed that there is an interior mask which is what gave us the appearance of trim. Maybe I misread or am remembering wrong. Are we adding that in place of the trim? See picture below as an example. Ill fix the shins within that post. Ill update M4 hex scew for L2. Im going to wait on the DLT19 until we get a better reference shot. I will alter the rubber trim on the respirator, however, WE WILL NEED A REFERENCE SHOT OF THE INSIDE OF THE MASK, TAKEN AGAINST A PLAIN WHITE BACKGROUND so it can be added to the CRL Gallery. 1 Link to comment
Bozzy[501st] Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Blackwatch said: I will alter the rubber trim on the respirator, however, WE WILL NEED A REFERENCE SHOT OF THE INSIDE OF THE MASK, TAKEN AGAINST A PLAIN WHITE BACKGROUND I'll see what i can do.. DLT Provided by Kristoffer Almaas of the mudtrooper builders group (ive upped the brightness a bit) Link to comment
areilly Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Blackwatch said: I will alter the rubber trim on the respirator, however, WE WILL NEED A REFERENCE SHOT OF THE INSIDE OF THE MASK, TAKEN AGAINST A PLAIN WHITE BACKGROUND so it can be added to the CRL Gallery. I'm not aware of any reference shots of the inside of a screen-used mask, and any pictures people might submit now would just be someone's guess or how they happened to design their own particular piece. The closest I've got is a couple fuzzy screen caps from the two or so frames in the movie it's visible - it appears to be mostly a lip around the edge. Either way, It seems like the mention of the trim just needs to be dropped completely until we have an accurate shot of it (which may never happen). It's an almost completely hidden detail not visible from an observer's point of view, and most people wouldn't be able to produce a custom-molded rubber trim anyways. At best I'd expect a hard lip as part of the design. Link to comment
JAFO[TX] Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 It would be easier to leave the rubber seal/mask out if the equation. The actual seal looks nothing like a painters mask but inspiration was taken from that real world part. 2 Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I'm game for that @JAFO Thought I'd mention it just in case. So... 1) M4 added to L2. Hex screw still required for L1. 2) DLT-19 pending. There aren't many better references though that I'm aware of @Blackwatch 3) Not adding drop box dimensions to L2 (still). 4) Not adding respirator interior to any requirements. @Blackwatch if you want to post final updates list to what we discussed (don't need to post the entire CRL, just the sections we are editing), you can do that and do a final check. Then move over what we need to for Val. Link to comment
Ensi[TX] Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 How about adding something like this for the Telemetry Unit on lvl2? -Telemetry unit is an off-gray black with a rough surface/heavily weathered Link to comment
areilly Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 “Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam.” change to ”Goggles shall have a dark trim around metallic frame” reason is we recently got new info that the trim was molded in the same slightly flexible material as the armor. This is why it appears to have rounded edges in some shots. It does appear that some of the earlier ones may have had a rubber trim, so this would keep that option open. Quote no foam on the goggles. The goggles were partially printed, and partially bench built. The outer area you are talking about is a printed piece, moulded and run in the same stuff as the stormtrooper armour. So it’s quite rigid with a slight flex. Link to comment
JAFO[TX] Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 The gasket is made of a flexible polyurethane, so a rubber of sorts. Same as the seal inside the respirator. Dark trim certainly makes it very generic but, honestly, having handled the material and seen the goggles up close it is more rubber than foam. Link to comment
areilly Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 8 hours ago, JAFO said: The gasket is made of a flexible polyurethane, so a rubber of sorts. Same as the seal inside the respirator. Dark trim certainly makes it very generic but, honestly, having handled the material and seen the goggles up close it is more rubber than foam. That makes sense, in that case ignore my suggestion Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Any other things to make note of? In particular...are we in agreement on the color? @Blackwatch will update the draft and we can send this off for publishing along w/ Mudtrooper Val Link to comment
areilly Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 One nitpicky change to the ammo bandolier - remove "Vietnam era" from the description to leave it with "4 pouch 5.56mm ammunition cloth bandoleer. [...]" The Vietnam era pouches where 7-pocket bandoliers made to accommodate the original shorter 20rd mags, when the army moved to the 30rd STANAG mags in the early 80s with the rest of NATO they switched to the 4 pocket/30rd version. Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 ok thats an easy fix Link to comment
quigontimm[TX] Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 I appreciate all the work put into updating this CRL. Once it's finalized I plan on making some changes to my kit to at least reflect some of the more obvious items. This was my first build, so I learned a lot along the way and I'm eager to keep it up to par. 2 Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Just an FYI. I am leaving town Friday till July 6. I have requested a few pics from @rickyboyblue to go w this update. If I have those along w the final edit of the text, this can be published when I return. 2 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Looking forward to that~ Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 5/24/2019 at 12:54 AM, Blackwatch said: Ok so busy day today, got a lot of things on the home front accomplished. So lets take a look at this proposals: Take a good look at the gogggle text. I added the requested line to the bottom of the text as published. Is this not the same thing? · Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. · Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). · 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. OK< HERE IS THE UPDATED PROPOSAL FOR CHANGES TO THE MUD TROOPER. I lost some of the formatting going between the CRL, WORD and here in the forum, but the text remains the same. Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below. Helmet · An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. · A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned with the rim. · The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is black. · The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. · A small tactical flashlight may be worn below the telemetry unit. · A rubber trim, or the illusion of a rubber trim covers the edge of the helmet rim with the join made at the rear center of the helmet. · Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. These may be weathered. · The helmet is to be painted in matte field grey to match the armor. The helmet paint finish may be textured, and is moderately weathered. · Helmet has a black chin cup with tan webbing strap. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · The helmet has a black/dark gray polystyrene inner liner consistent with that of a skate or bike helmet. · The telemetry unit may feature a tied length of elastic bungee cord, approx. 0.2" (4-5mm) in diameter, looped around the outer upper section. · If worn, tactical flashlight on right side of helmet is approx. 3.5" (90mm) black aluminum flashlight with knurling at both ends and a rubber push switch. Flashlight need not be functional. · Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. Goggles · Goggles shall have an aged chrome frame with detail painting, and weathering to match reference image. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance. · Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. · Goggles have dark angled lens featuring two flat panels on each side. · Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. · The goggle strap features a number of buckles: o There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. o A large buckle greeblie on the lefthand side through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a beige square. o Two black tri-glides on the right rear through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. · Goggles may be worn over the eyes or on the brim of the helmet OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. · Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). · 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. Respirator · The respirator is large enough to cover the lower half of the wearers’ face. · The respirator shall be painted matte field grey and moderately weathered. · The respirator has a ‘mouth’ which features a curved bottom, short curved vertical sides and arched top where the tubes attach. · The mouth is painted matte black. · The mouth features seven vertical cut-outs in the top center. The three center lines shall be equal length and run from the top of the mouth to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down in size incrementally. · A silver colored metallic mesh is visible through the cut-outs. · The respirator features two rounded tusks that extend either side of the mouth. · The end of each tusk features a filter. · The filters are aged chrome in color and have a raised center ring with three branches connecting to the outer ring. · Sides of the filter slope to meet the tusks of the mask. · Metallic mesh is visible through between the branches of the filter. · Above each tusk is a black colored buckle through which tan webbing straps are fed. Each strap connects to a metal snap hook. These hooks are used to connect the respirator to the neck strap. · The neck strap consists of a length of tan webbing with metal D-Rings sewn in to place. · Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. · The respirator can be worn to cover the face or suspended around the neck of the wearer. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · The respirator color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U · The metallic mesh for the mouth and filters consist of a rounded diamond pattern. · In the center of each tusk filter is a M4 hex socket cap screw. · Webbing used is 3/4" (19mm) in width. Hoses · Two black proportionally sized rubber breathing hoses, connect either side of the vertical cut-outs of the mouth. · The hose extends over each shoulder and connects to the hose connectors located at the top of the back plate. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Hoses are approx. 30mm outer dimension, Scarf · A military style scarf is worn around the neck and tucked within the open space of the tunic collar beneath the chest plate. · The color may be solid dark olive grey or solid green and should contrast with the tunic. Poncho · Plash Palatka Style Poncho. · Poncho is dyed or painted black. · Tied or otherwise attached under the chest armor and worn to cover the back plate. · Poncho shall be heavily weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Ring Grommets shall be leather to match reference photo or metal grommets shall be covered with leather to mimic leather grommets. Tunic/Jacket · A long-sleeved, Olive Grey, jacket that falls between upper and mid-thigh. · Has a high mandarin style collar with an open space in front. · Has two panels on either side of the front, extending to the bottom of the jacket. · Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm. Look may be created with top stitching. · If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket, with no covering flaps present. · No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor. · Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Jacket is made of an Olive Grey heavy weight twill material. · There is an imperial cog patch sewn on each shoulder and are made of an embossed 3D vinyl material. · There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom of the seam where the arm connects to the body. Chest Armor · Chest Armor matches visual references. · Accurate shape/design to front of chest. · There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. · Buckles attache to upper chest plate. · Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. · To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. · Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. · On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. · Chest and straps shall be painted matte field grey and be moderately weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U Back Armor · Back Plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. · Chest and back plate meet at the sides. · Black foam extends from the arm openings. · 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. · Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside. · The walls and floor the recesses shall be matte field grey. · Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside. · Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The floor of the cut out and the walls inside match the matte olive green color of the armor. · Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. · There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recess. · There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. · There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. · Shoulder straps are matte olive green with moderate weathering and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. · Back plate is painted matte field grey with moderate weathering. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · The hose fittings are angled forward, and approximately the same size as the hoses. · Black fabric or leather loop drop down from the bottom of the back plate through which belts must pass through. · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U Shoulder Armor · Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other. · The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical. · Shoulders should have a longer flat edge that covers top of bicep with a shorter flat edge that connects to chest armor · Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. · Shoulders are painted matte field grey with moderate weathering. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U Biceps · Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top. · Left bicep is matte olive grey with moderate weathering. · Right bicep armor is painted red with three yellow squares on the cover strip, with moderate weathering. · Each bicep may feature a slanted fishook detail that is inset into the bicep top facing outward. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Left bicep green color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. · Right bicep color is a close match to Toyota Red 3E5 · Yellow color is a close match to Montana Yellow Cab. Gloves · Black gloves with black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, forefinger and middle finger. · Back of palm, ring finger and pinky have no leather on the back side · Gloves have a U-shaped Velcro closure around the wrist. · Gloves shall have all logos removed. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Gloves are Highlander Special Ops gloves #GL033-BK, or an authentic replication. Upper Belt · The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. · Approximately 2" (50mm) in width, up to 3" (76mm) is acceptable. · There are no loops on the belt. · A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25mm) from the buckle. · The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. · The buckle is a standard officer buckle painted with matte olive green paint and is moderately weathered. · Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. o Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Two boxes shall be present on either side of buckle. Dimensions are approximately 2" (50mm) by 3" (76mm) by 1" (25mm). · Box color is similar in shade to Pantone350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. · Belt shall be weathered appropriately. Lower Belt The lower belt is optional but is preferred for approval. Belt is black and is made from two nylon web straps sewn together. The belt features six boxes. 1 x large drop box on the right side of the belt. 2x small and 2x medium worn in the center of the belt. 1x long drop box worn on the left side of the belt. Drop box is longer than the large box on the right side of the belt. Boxes shall be painted matte field grey and moderately weathered. Belt shall be worn loosely across lower abdomen. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Two nylon web straps are sewn together with a zig zag pattern. · The two nylon straps together are approximately 3" (76mm) · Long drop box is hinged. · Green color is similar Pantone 350U overlaid with Pantone 433U. Pants · Black pants with double reinforced thighs. · They do not have visible pockets or other adornment on the legs. · Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Pants are made using heavy cotton Shins · The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the boots using two rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves. · Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle. · The rubber straps are ribbed, and equal in size. · Straps extend from each buckle, and the inner side of the greaves. · A “T” shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee. · The ‘T” shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised. · Two triangular ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the “T” shaped knee plate. · The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image. · The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot. · Shins are painted matte field grey with heavy weathering. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Green color is similar to Pantone 350U · Rubber straps are approx. 1.5” (40mm) wide Boots · Jackboot or kersey boot style, knee high smooth black leather or leather like material. · Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. · Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot. This need not be functional. · Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. · Boots shall be tall enough to fit both shin straps. · Boots shall be heavily weathered. · Boots should form fit to the calf and not be loose. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Boots do not have a zipper. · Boots are made of leather. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. Ammo Pouch · Yugoslavian M49 - M56 SMG style ammo pouch or replica. Replica must be made from leather or leather-like material. · Pouch is fitted with two straps. · May be worn on either right or left chest with upper strap placed over the right shoulder and the lower strap across the chest passing under the left arm. · The pouch may also be worn around the waist and sit on the left · May be worn with upper strap over the right shoulder with the lower strap across the chest then passes under the left arm. · Pouches shall be weathered or otherwise aged. · Oiler pouch is optional and may be worn on the upper strap above the main pouches. . . Ammo Pouch Bandolier · 4 pouch 5.56mm ammunition cloth bandoleer. The pouches have been modified to make the pockets larger. · Pouch is fitted with two straps and worn over left shoulder to right abdomen. · Pouches shall be stuffed to appear full. Grenade · The grenade is based on the design of a WW1 German stick grenade. · The stick features a number of raised ridges. · A button pad greeblie is present on the stick. · The cylinder at the head of the grenade features 10 ribs. · Grenade is attached via a strap looped through or attached to the ammo pouch shoulder buckle. Strap is attached to either side of the grenade’s center greeblie with loops around the shaft of the grenade and closed with snap buttons. Medic Bicep · Replaces the red version of the bicep. · Right bicep armor is painted white with three heavily weathered yellow stripes on the cover strip. · There is a red image facing front that matches reference photos. · Bicep shall have moderate weathering OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): · Yellow color is similar to Montana Gold Yellow Cab. @Blackwatch Is this the updated version or do you have another one saved elsewhere? @rickyboyblue has gotten me most of the update photos. Just a few more to edit and this will be ready to publish. Link to comment
RAIDER[COTG] Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Mudtrooper update is complete. Text updated and CRL gallery pictures added. We will be able to add the DLT-19 as optional once we have a pic of a completed build. A medic model is currently being reviewed to add as a tabbed version. Once cleared, that will be published as well. Thank you to everyone who participated in the discussion here. Special thanks to @JAFO for initiating the proposal, @Blackwatch for all of the text updates, and @rickyboyblue for the new pictures and edits. Check out the updated CRL here: https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_-_Mudtrooper 1 Link to comment
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