New CRL Proposal - Sith Trooper (TROS)

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Ok...back from a couple days out of town visiting family...edits made to belt.

Posting thighs...

Thighs

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
  • No holster is present on either thigh
  • Each thigh is comprised of 7 sections, front, inner-front, inner-rear, rear, outer-rear, outer, outer-front
  • Front and rear sections are both raised slightly in appearance and smooth flat surfaces. A diagonal channel runs from the top outer edge of the section panel, to about 1/2 way down towards the inner thigh
  • Each Front inner thigh section has a number of evenly spaced, diagonally recessed lines, starting from top of the section sloping downward from the wearers cod to the front of the thigh terminating 3/4 down the thigh.
    • Left thigh recessed lines terminate approximately at the top of the sniper plate
    • Right thigh recessed lines terminate approximately half-way between the "chocolate bars"  (thought we renamed this?)
    • Angle of the recesses is roughly 33 degrees from the font section edge
  • Each Rear outer panel has a number of evenly spaced, diagonal recessed lines that slope downwards from outer to inner thigh
  • Each outer section forms a visible vertical seam towards the wearers front, is smooth and has a clip greeblie near the top
  • Each thigh has the appearance of an overlap on the inner thigh where the inner-front section overlaps the inner-rear section
  • Front bottom edges of the thigh are angular in nature and dip towards the wearers knee from the sides
• Right thigh 
  • There are two vertical rectangular boxes above the knee that have chamfered edges that look like "chocolate bars"
  • Each box sits in a slightly larger recessed cavity towards the top leaving a small recessed section exposed at the bottom
  • Recessed channel that traverses the front 3 panels roughly 1" (25-30mm) from the bottom
• Left Thigh 
  • Large hexagonal 'sniper plate' just above the knee which has two raised rectangular 'boxes' in the centre of the upper left and upper right faces of the sniper plate
  • two dark grey or matt black, rectangular shaped recesses above the sniper plate, are angled slightly outwards from the knee

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Inner thigh section has approximately 45 evenly spaced recessed lines
• Outer-rear section has approximately 34 evenly spaced recessed lines
• Greeblie clip is the correct thigh greeblie clip (see diagram) and appears to be slotted into a recess (i.e it doesn't sit on top of the armour)
• The inner-front section overlaps the inner-rear section forming an overlapping closure

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

Looks good.

Not sure about the chocolate bars terminology.

 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

OK...adjustments made.  "Chocolate bars" kept for now.

Doing the next pieces together since they are short...

Cod

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
• Has the appearance of being connected to the abdomen belt assembly
• Sits directly under the belt
• Has the appearance of two separate pieces joined together
  • upper section is a trapezoid shape roughly 3-4" (75-100mm) in length and terminates about 1.5" (38mm) into the lower section
  • lower section is curved and extends down to cover the wearer's groin

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• There is no connecting material between the cod and the posterior

Thermal Detonator & Mounting Plate

The thermal detonator is divided into two distinct parts, the thermal detonator itself and the armor it is attached to; the mounting plate

Thermal Detonator

• The outer cylinder is finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
• The internal cylinder  is matte or satin black and ribbed
• The right hand end cap has a chamfered recess that extend inwards to a small circular recess on the inside of the cap
• The left hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and there is a small channel that runs the circumference
• There are no visible seams
• Is postioned just above the belt
• Is mounted on the lower section of the mounting plate

Thermal detonator mounting plate

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
• Sits under the cuirass
• The belt overlaps the lower section of the plate
• The mounting plate is a long trapezoidal shape, divided into 4 sections by recessed lines
• The top and lower trapezoidal shapes are slightly raised outward and have a smooth surface
• the bottom trapezoid is separated by a channel that runs around the perimeter
• The recessed lines run parallel to the edges of the top trapezoid section
• The recessed lines start from the outer edge and terminate in the perimiter channel of the bottom trapezoid

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The left and right panels of the thermal detonator mounting plate have 36 recessed lines each
• The satin black, ribbed, internal cylinder on the Thermal Detonator has 36 ribs (suggesting removing satin as it is mentioned in L1).

Posterior

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
• Sits directly under the belt and has the appearance of being attached to the belt assembly
• Is trapezoidal in shape yet curved to a posterior shape
• Has a recessed trapezoidal section directly below the belt, within this section are further recessed lines running horizontally

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Recessed trapezoid section has approximately 14 recessed lines

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

All looks good.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Adjustments made...shins next...

Shins

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
• Each shin can be divided into 8 panels alternating between recessed lines and flat, comprising of the following:
  • The front panel of each shin is squared at the top, flat and is the same width as the top panel of the boot armor and is squared at the top
  • The front panel has a recessed channel that starts at the top of the panel closest to the inside, extends outward 1/4 way down then back towards the ankle meeting at the top of the spat forming a scalene triangle
  • The front inside panel overlaps the inside panel 
  • The inside panel is slightly curved along the top
  • A clip greeblie is present on outside panel near the top of the shin
  • The front 3 panels have straight, angular edges at the top, with the recessed lines following the top edges of the two outer panels to base of the shin
  • The back 3 panels, the middle one has a straight line at the top, with the two outer panels curving slightly to the inside and outside panels
  • The outer panels have vertical seams that separate the recessed lines from the flat section
• Each shin is roughly the mirror opposite of each other with the following differences on the outer panels
• Right shin has a rectangular section that is about 2/3 up from the bottom 
• The right shin has two elongated trapezoidal boxes that are chamfered with one flat section between them evenly spaced in 3rds
• Left Shin has a rectangular box appearing to have a lid, directly below the clip greeblie
• The base of the shins is covered by a spat

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Clip greeblie is the correct shin greeblie outlined in the document
• Rectangular box on left shin has the following details
  • Has the appearance of two pieces, base and lid. The lid is a bout 0.15" (4mm) deep with a 0.04" (1mm) recess between lid and base
  • A small oblong shaped recess on the top left base part of the box
• Front Inside Panel has 48 recessed lines
• Front Outer Panel has 69 recessed lines
• Back Inside Panel has 36-38 recessed lines
• Back outer panel has 50-52 recessed lines

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

Looks good here

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Adjusted shins.  A little note here...where it said "as outlined in the diagram" I replaced that with "refer to gallery diagram" which we can then direct link to the gallery image.  Extra work in the coding, but it can be done and would probably be helpful.

Additionally, I created the CRL wiki tonight and started exporting text from here to there.

Now on to final review of the boots/spats.  We will bypass the blasters, there's nothing to adjust there.  Following these parts, we just need to do final review of gaskets and forearms.

Spats

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
• The spats wrap around the lower ankle
• The spats are enclosed on the outside of the ankle with a clip greeblie that overlaps from the back side over the outside
• There is a flat section at the back of the spat that is equal in width to the rear flat section of the shin
• Are fitted over the top of the shin (should this say bottom?)
• Are fitted over the top of the boot armor

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Clip greeblie is the correct spat greeblie (refer to gallery diagram).
• There is a visible seam on the inside of the ankle

Boots & boot armor

• Boots:
  • FO style boot finished in a gloss or semi-gloss red that closely resembles the armor
  • Sole is black rubber with no visible heel
  • No visible buckles or laces
• Boot Armor
  • finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
  • Fixed to the top of the boot and sits under the spats
  • divided into 3 sections that
    • the top front section has a number recessed lines running vertically as shown
    • the outer section has diagonal lines running parallel to the edge of the armor as shown
    • the inner panel is smooth/flat and has no recessed lines
    • the front panel is of equal width to and lines up with the front section of the shin

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The boot color and gloss shall match the armor
• Top front section of the armor has approx 10 recessed lines
• Outer section of the armor has at least 14 visible recessed lines
• Rectangular section on the toe and the heel of the boot that is knurled
• Stitching at the top of the sole runs the entire diameter of the boot
• There is a seam down both sides of the front that swoops out to the side of the foot
• There is a vertical zipper on the inside that spans the height of the boot.

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

SPATS perhaps

Are fitted over the base of the shin 

Rest looks ok

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

Cuirass & Gorget (Chest/Back Armor)

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume.
• Cuirass is comprised of the chest and back, with a gorget forming the neck opening.

Cuirass Chest

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume.
• Forms part of the Cuirass which is comprised of the chest, back and gorget.
• 3 vertical oblong recesses near the collar on each side of the chest near the center opening.
• The chest extends over the shoulder towards the back forming the shoulder straps which have an attached trapezoidal buckle that appears to connect to the trapezoidal buckles on the upper back armor.
• There are recessed lines extending diagonally out from the back collar to the shoulder, these lines intersect a few recessed lines deep with the vertical horizontal lines on the front.
• Raised smooth/flat section at front extends around the under arm of the wearer towards back. Starts as rectangular and tapers to match shoulder/arm hole.
  • There are two raised panels on the lower section of the chest, each extends under the arms towards and forms the lowest part of the sides. Each panel has the appearance of a separate piece and there is a recess that runs around the outside edge.
  • Left lower panel has one recessed diagonal channel.
  • Right lower panel has a small rectangular box/raised area with at least 12 evenly spaced, vertical and slightly angled recessed lines, the bottom of the box/raised area extends slightly outwards from the wearer. There is a clip & buckle greeblie separated by a ratchet strap greeblie in a recessed cavity just above the box (refer to diagram).
• There are a number of vertically diagonal and evenly spaced recessed lines that start at the top of the rectangular part of the front boxes, and extend towards the armhole.
• There are a number of recessed diagonal lines under the arms that extend from the armhole towards the front, intersecting with the curve of the raised box section.
• There are a number of vertically diagonal, evenly spaced recessed lines that start approximately halfway under the armhole and extend back to and underlap the cuirass back. The recessed lines match the diagonal shape of the back armor.
• Both chest sides connect to the lower back armor.
• The center section of the chest has the appearance of being a separate piece that has rectangular and horizontal recesses in lower section, vertical recesses in upper section and a small rectangular recess near the top.

OPTIONAL (Level 2)

• Chest shoulder buckle is a separate piece.
• Ratchet strap greeblie has 5 visible teeth.
• Small rectangular box on the right chest has 13 recessed vertical lines.
• There are 8 recessed lines extending diagonally out from the back collar to the shoulder, these lines intersect 6 recessed lines deep with the vertical horizontal lines on the front.
• On the front chest there are 27 vertically diagonal and evenly spaced recessed lines that start at the top of the rectangular part of the front boxes, and extend towards the armhole.
• There are 12 recessed diagonal lines under the arms that extend from the armhole towards the front, intersecting with the curve of the raised box section.
• The center section of the chest has the appearance of being a separate piece that has 12 rectangular and horizontal recesses in lower section, 5 vertical recesses in upper section and a small rectangular recess near the top.

Cuirass Back

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume.
• Forms part of the Cuirass which is comprised of the chest, back and gorget.
• The back has an O II (02) shape is made up of recessed II and the O is a recessed circular line divided almost in half by an intersecting horizontal line.
  • The bottom part of the circle is recessed, is black and is slightly smaller in appearance than the top half.
  • There is a small black vertical oblong recess in the top half to the left side.
• The back has two trapezoidal "buckles" at the top back of the shoulders where it connects to the chest shoulder trapezoidal buckle.
• The back has a recessed trapezoidal shape at the bottom of the left shoulder buckle that has more than 13 recessed vertical lines.
  • The bottom of this shape is the same length as the top half of the lower trapezoidal section.
  • The angle of the bottom matches the angle at the top of the bottom trapezoid.
  • The recessed/raised lines do not extend all the way to the bottom.
  • The inside line of the trapezoid matches the angle of the buckle.
• On the back there is a raised trapezoidal section that starts at the base of the back and extends towards the left shoulder. 
  • There is a small recessed rectangle directly about the top of the trapezoid and is black. 
  • The top of the trapezoid is the same width as the bottom of the recessed trapezoid under the top left shoulder. 
  • The angle of the top of the this trapezoid is parallel to the bottom of the recessed trapezoid at the base of the left buckle. 
  • The raised section gets higher towards the top and arches out slightly from the wearer’s back.

 

OPTIONAL (Level 2)

• Trapezoidal recess on the back under the left buckle has 15 recessed lines.

Gorget (Collar)

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume.
• Forms part of the Cuirass which is comprised of the chest, back and gorget.
• One piece that goes under the cuirass to form the neckline of the armor.
• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume.
• Sits flat around the neckline.
• Sits under the cuirass (or chest/back), fits closely to the neck seal and appears to be part of the cuirass.
• If there is a seam, it is as discreet as possible and shall be securely closed with no visible overlaps or gap present.
• There are 3 visible steps forming rings around the neckline, ascending from the neckline to the cuirass or chest/back. The third ring from the neckline and is closest to the armor has the following details:
  • 15-17 raised sections that start and end at the shoulders, one centre raised section at the centre front that matches the width of the opening of lower front part of the cuirass opening, 7 smaller and evenly spaced raised sections that extend towards the shoulder.
  • Segments 1-5 (from the center section) and 7 are roughly 1" (25mm) wide.
  • Segment 6 (from the center)  is roughly 2" (50mm) wide.

OPTIONAL (Level 2)

• The gorget must be a separate piece with no seam constructed of a flexible rubber like material.
• Chest shoulder buckle is a separate piece.
• Ratchet strap greeblie has 5 visible teeth.
• Small rectangular box on the right chest has 13 recessed vertical lines.
• Trapezoidal recess on the back under the left buckle has 15 recessed lines.
• There are 8 recessed lines extending diagonally out from the back collar to the shoulder, these lines intersect 6 recessed lines deep with the vertical horizontal lines on the front.
• On the front chest there are 27 vertically diagonal and evenly spaced recessed lines that start at the top of the rectangular part of the front boxes, and extend towards the armhole.
• There are 12 recessed diagonal lines under the arms that extend from the armhole towards the front, intersecting with the curve of the raised box section.
• The center section of the chest has the appearance of being a separate piece that has 12 rectangular and horizontal recesses in lower section, 5 vertical recesses in upper section and a small rectangular recess near the top.

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

On 7/17/2020 at 12:28 AM, Raider said:

Ok...back from a couple days out of town visiting family...edits made to belt.

Posting thighs...

Thighs

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
  • No holster is present on either thigh
  • Each thigh is comprised of 7 sections, front, inner-front, inner-rear, rear, outer-rear, outer, outer-front
  • Front and rear sections are both raised slightly in appearance and smooth flat surfaces. A diagonal channel runs from the top outer edge of the section panel, to about 1/2 way down towards the inner thigh
  • Each Front inner thigh section has a number of evenly spaced, diagonally recessed lines, starting from top of the section sloping downward from the wearers cod to the front of the thigh terminating 3/4 down the thigh.
    • Left thigh recessed lines terminate approximately at the top of the sniper plate
    • Right thigh recessed lines terminate approximately half-way between the two vertical rectangular boxes above the knee that have chamfered edges "chocolate bars"  (thought we renamed this?)
    • Angle of the recesses is roughly 33 degrees from the font section edge
  • Each Rear outer panel has a number of evenly spaced, diagonal recessed lines that slope downwards from outer to inner thigh
  • Each outer section forms a visible vertical seam towards the wearers front, is smooth and has a clip greeblie near the top
  • Each thigh has the appearance of an overlap on the inner thigh where the inner-front section overlaps the inner-rear section
  • Front bottom edges of the thigh are angular in nature and dip towards the wearers knee from the sides
• Right thigh 
  • There are two vertical rectangular boxes above the knee that have chamfered edges that look like "chocolate bars"
  • Each box sits in a slightly larger recessed cavity towards the top leaving a small recessed section exposed at the bottom
  • Recessed channel that traverses the front 3 panels roughly 1"-1 3/16" (25-30mm) from the bottom
• Left Thigh 
  • Large hexagonal 'sniper plate' just above the knee which has two raised rectangular 'boxes' in the centre of the upper left and upper right faces of the sniper plate
  • two dark grey or matt black, rectangular shaped recesses above the sniper plate, are angled slightly outwards from the knee

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Inner thigh section has approximately 45 evenly spaced recessed lines
• Outer-rear section has approximately 34 evenly spaced recessed lines
• Greeblie clip is the correct thigh greeblie clip (see diagram) and appears to be slotted into a recess (i.e it doesn't sit on top of the armour)
• The inner-front section overlaps the inner-rear section forming an overlapping closure

That was for the shins, updating to reflect ^^^

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

On 7/22/2020 at 2:10 PM, Raider said:

 

Spats

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume
• The spats wrap around the lower ankle
• The spats are enclosed on the outside of the ankle with a clip greeblie that overlaps from the back side over the outside
• There is a flat section at the back of the spat that is equal in width to the rear flat section of the shin
• Are fitted over the bottom of the shin
• Are fitted over the top of the boot armor

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Clip greeblie is the correct spat greeblie (refer to gallery diagram).
• There is a visible seam on the inside of the ankle

 

Corrections^^^

[JoeShoe[TX]]

looks good to me thus far

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Excellent @JoeShoe   Thanks

I believe @nanotek is going to move the final 2 bits (gaskets and forearms) over here and do some final tidying as we move text over to the CRL with pictures.

Should be live soon troopers!  Thanks for your research, input, and patience!

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

I finally have the right thread. My two corrections found:

1. On the helmet under jawline bullet "There angle of termination" should that be "Their angle"?
2. Need a period after the end of the text for the undersuit.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Mouth has 4 teeth either side of the center “tooth."

it would read better to say Mouth has 4 teeth on either side of the center tooth. 

under Helmet section, L2 all sentences need periods added. 

Under Neck Seal L2 needs a period added to final sentence. 

Thats it.  Thats all I could find~ 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Making corrections in wiki as noted.

Additionally, I went and looked at some of our more recent updates and noticed that when below 1", we do in fact use fractions @gmrhodes13 lol.  Would anyone have any objections however to my rounding of the fractions to 16ths as most US rulers/measuring tapes do not show 32nds or smallrer or would that throw off the measures too much?

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

I wouldn't really think there would be a lot of objections to using 1/16th's, I don't think many GML's will get out a ruler when checking applications ?

[RAIDER[COTG]]

28 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:

I wouldn't really think there would be a lot of objections to using 1/16th's, I don't think many GML's will get out a ruler when checking applications ?

 I was referring more to the measures as a guide for makers/builders and for any potential L2 applications down the line which would require that...not for GMLs. ?

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Yeah if I remember right that measurements are only used for proportions at the Legion/basic level and may actually be used when it comes to the detachment/L2 level.

[ionicdesign[LMO]]

59 minutes ago, IcyTrooper said:

Yeah if I remember right that measurements are only used for proportions at the Legion/basic level and may actually be used when it comes to the detachment/L2 level.

Ideally, best to keep the basics to proportions and borad strokes and minutia in Lvl 2 and 3.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

10 minutes ago, ionicdesign said:

Ideally, best to keep the basics to proportions and borad strokes and minutia in Lvl 2 and 3.

Agreed! I should have clarified that they are generally for things like strap widths and such.

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

@Raider and I have been having some discussions about the Gorget wording and what it all means. There will be some changes to this part of the CRL based on the findings

 

• There are 3 visible steps forming rings around the neckline, ascending from the neckline to the cuirass or chest/back. The third ring from the neckline and is closest to the armor has the following details:
  • 15-17 raised sections that start and end at the shoulders, one centre raised section at the centre front that matches the width of the opening of lower front part of the cuirass opening, 7 smaller and evenly spaced raised sections that extend towards the shoulder.
  • Segments 1-5 (from the center section) and 7 are roughly 1" (25mm) wide.
  • Segment 6 (from the center)  is roughly 2" (50mm) wide.

In an attempt to make this all make more sense we will be providing a visual guide to support this part of the CRL.

Here is what we see from the font:

Here is what we see from the top: (Unfortunately we only have the Anovos statues and the Hot Toy to confirm the 7th and 8th raised sections)

 

 

I also decided to use Fusion 360 to get some approximate dimensions to help with this

I imported an image of the Sith Trooper and calibrated the image according to the belt size, then sketched some shapes to get some dimensions. Please bear in mind this is not exact measurements, I have not taken into account distance/angle of camera from parts. It was just to get a slight better idea of the proportions: (Dimensions are in mm)

Based on what we can see here I am going to propose 2 things, one is reworded text and two is L1 and L2 split

 

Gorget (Collar)

• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume.
• Forms part of the Cuirass which is comprised of the chest, back and gorget.
• One piece that goes under the cuirass to form the neckline of the armor.
• Finished in a high gloss deep red that matches the colors of the entire costume. Duplicate
• Sits flat around the neckline. added to next bullet point
• Sits under the cuirass (or chest/back), fits closely to the neck seal, sits flat around the neckline and appears to be part of the cuirass.
• If there is a seam, it is as discreet as possible and shall be securely closed with no visible overlaps or gap present.
• There are 3 visible steps forming rings around the neckline, ascending from the neckline to the cuirass or chest/back. The third ring from the neckline and is closest to the armor has the following details: (Please refer to guide picture for further info)
  • 13-15 raised trapezoidal segments that start and end at the shoulders, forming the neckline at the front of the gorget
  • Segment 1 (Centre front) is approximately 2" (50mm)
  • Segments 2-6 and 8 are approximately 1/2" to 5/8" wide (12mm to 15mm) wide
  • Segment 7 (sits on the shoulder) is approximately 2" (50mm) wide
  • Segment 7 and 8 are optional

OPTIONAL (Level 2)

• The gorget must be a separate piece with no seam constructed of a flexible rubber like material.
• Segments 7 and 8 must be present

[JoeShoe[TX]]

thanks for the thorough breakdown with this.  

[gmrhodes13[501st]]

Nice work, I agree the 7 and 8th segments should be optional at this stage with no screen references available. 

[JoeShoe[TX]]

Just getting a temperature check - where are we at with this CRL now?