Dark Trooper - Generation 3 - Mandalorian - CRL Discussion

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

@Andreas Funk @IcyTrooper @tipperaryred

What do you think guys? We good with the chest and shoulder armor? If so I can save this and post up the back armor.

I am really surprised more people haven't chimed in on this. I guess we will hear from others when we go live with this. They always seem to have comments after all the work is done.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

@Andreas Funk @IcyTrooper @tipperaryred

What do you think guys? We good with the chest and shoulder armor? If so I can save this and post up the back armor.

I am really surprised more people haven't chimed in on this. I guess we will hear from others when we go live with this. They always seem to have comments after all the work is done.

I'm good with it. I made sure to change "Chest Plate" to "Chest Armor" on the finalized text and uploaded it to the tracking section here: https://forum.specops501st.com/topic/8662-dark-trooper-generation-3-mandalorian-crl-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=113794

Time for the back armor, as you said, and biceps!

[Andreas Funk]

Hello

I think you've done a great job so far, even if my English isn't 
that good and I've had it all translated,
 but I don't know exactly whether it's translated correctly. 
As this is a very extensive costume and in my opinion it will be very difficult to 
have it really accurate later on.
It will be the case later that we will have a lot of similarities in the details, 
but there will be a lot of deviations because of the proportions.
Unfortunately, we only specify here that it must be adapted to the wearer. 
THIS WILL LATER BREAK THE GENIUS OF THE COSTUME.
This costume must be 1.90 m tall and only be adjusted to the wearer
 via the shoes as there are no deviations in proportions. I could even 
measure every part because 90 percent of all the supports fit in it.
 And the mouse doesn't bite a thread, 1.50 m man is just not a big Vader.

greeting

Andrew

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

1 hour ago, Andreas Funk said:

Hello

I think you've done a great job so far, even if my English isn't 
that good and I've had it all translated,
 but I don't know exactly whether it's translated correctly. 
As this is a very extensive costume and in my opinion it will be very difficult to 
have it really accurate later on.
It will be the case later that we will have a lot of similarities in the details, 
but there will be a lot of deviations because of the proportions.
Unfortunately, we only specify here that it must be adapted to the wearer. 
THIS WILL LATER BREAK THE GENIUS OF THE COSTUME.
This costume must be 1.90 m tall and only be adjusted to the wearer
 via the shoes as there are no deviations in proportions. I could even 
measure every part because 90 percent of all the supports fit in it.
 And the mouse doesn't bite a thread, 1.50 m man is just not a big Vader.

greeting

Andrew

Unfortunately, proportions are a thing that we have to notate and only can really drive direct lengths to L2 (Specialist) details. It'll be up to the GMLs if the details and proportions are adequate to not only the CRL text but also the photos that are on the CRL. We can only do the best that we can and cannot limit the costume to certain heights.

[Andreas Funk]

Hello

ah okay, yes I understand. Then that's my mistake. Then unfortunately my costume is not suitable for CRL.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

10 hours ago, Andreas Funk said:

Hello

ah okay, yes I understand. Then that's my mistake. Then unfortunately my costume is not suitable for CRL.

Andreas, I'm confused. Why do you feel your costume is not suitable for the CRL? Your costume is the baseline and is absolutely suitable for the CRL. When we were talking about proportions, we are talking about the standard text that is in every CRL for others who build a costume after the CRL is created.

[Andreas Funk]

13 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

Andreas, I'm confused. Why do you feel your costume is not suitable for the CRL? Your costume is the baseline and is absolutely suitable for the CRL. When we were talking about proportions, we are talking about the standard text that is in every CRL for others who build a costume after the CRL is created.

Hello Icetroopers

Yes, maybe I didn't express myself correctly or maybe my English isn't that good.
Maybe I just misunderstood this because the proportions are only in the 
context of those who later want to build their own costume and can be seen independently of my costume. 
If that's the case then just answer yes (laugh).
Because my costume is designed in such a way that everyone from 1.70 to 1.90 m can fit into this costume
without changing the parts proportionally and later everyone will still look the same, 
regardless of who is in it.
And this is only achieved by aligning the chest armor and shoes
 and this option means that all joints remain the same and the dimensions always 
correspond to the original, which later affects the appearance.

Darktrooper greetings From Germany

Andreas

[Andreas Funk]

Ich denke ich habe es jetzt verstanden 🙂 🙂 

[Andreas Funk]

Also nur so mal zur Info für alle, ich habe die Möglichkeit bei meinem Kostüme 0-15 cm über die Schuhe in der Größe zu variieren und 5 cm über Brustpanzer und Helm. So kann der Träger kürzere Arme oder kürzere Beine haben ohne das es später im Kostüm auffällt und die Proportionen geändert werden müssen, da diese zu lasten der Gelenke gehen würde. Ich hoffe das dieses hiermit Verständlich ist was ich die ganze sagen wollte.

Wenn dieses so nicht umsetzbar wäre, müsste ich alle Tiefziehformen überarbeiten und meine 3 Jährige Vorarbeit wäre vergebens gewesen.

 

Andreas

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

@Andreas Funk

Andreas,
"JA" 
Bauen Sie Ihr Kostüm weiter so auf, dass es zu Ihnen passt. Höchstwahrscheinlich werden Sie unser CRL-Modell sein und wir werden Fotos Ihres fertigen Kostüms als CRL-Beispiele verwenden.
Im Moment definieren wir lediglich, welche Details ein Kostüm haben soll. Da es sich um ein „Neu in der Legion“-Kostüm handelt, müssen wir sicherstellen, dass wir im CRL und auf den Fotos genügend Details angeben, um sicherzustellen, dass die Legion unsere Anfrage akzeptiert.
Wenn ein Teil Ihres Kostüms zu irgendeinem Zeitpunkt nicht die Details aufweist, die wir in der CRL angegeben haben, lassen Sie es uns wissen und zeigen Sie uns, was Sie haben. Wir besprechen, ob wir die Details ändern oder beibehalten sollen.
Ich hoffe, dass dies zur Klärung der Dinge beiträgt und Sie beruhigt. Vielen Dank, dass Sie uns dabei unterstützt haben. Wenn diese CRL genehmigt wird, wird der Dark Trooper Generation 3 genauso „krass“ sein wie der Death Trooper und der Purge Trooper Phase 2.

 

Andreas,

“YES”

Continue to build your costume to fit you. Most likely you will be our CRL model, and we will use photos of your finished costume as the CRL examples.

Right now, we are simply defining what details we want a costume to have. Since this is a “New to the Legion” costume we have to make sure that we provide enough details in the CRL and in the photos in order to ensure that the Legion accepts our request.

If at any time a part of your costume does not have the details that we put in the CRL let us know and show us what you do have. We will discuss whether we should change or keep the details.

I hope this helps to clarify things and puts you at ease. Thank you for assisting us with this. When this CRL gets approved, the Dark Trooper Generation 3 will just as “badass” as the Death Trooper and Purge Trooper Phase 2.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Next up:

Revision 0

Back Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted IAW the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Is in proportion to the rest of the costume.
• Overlaps the abdominal plate.
• Extends over shoulders to meet chest plate.
• The chest and back plate meet flush at the sides.
• The arm area of the back plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the front plate.
• The collar extends upward and tapers to the chest plate.
• The back plate has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside.
  • The vent details above the greeblies are cut out and backed with black material.
  • Each recess has a different and specific set of greeblies inside:
    • Left side recess:
      • A rectangle shape greeblie with an angled right side end with 5 panels.
      • On the right side a heat sink greeblie is fitted.
    • Right side recess:
      • Along the top is a long thin strip with flat ends with approximately 30 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
      • Along the bottom is a long thin strip that has angled ends with approximately 28 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
      • Below it on the left is a rectangle shape greeblie. 
        • Approximately 1/8th of the left side is flat followed by a thin line recess and 7x3 rows of oblong-shaped indents.
      • On the right side is a raised circular ring type hose connector.
      • Below that, along the bottom is a long thin strip that has angled ends with approximately 28 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
  • There is an oblong greeblie centered below the 2 large recesses.
  • There is a small, raised circle greeblie centered below the oblong greeblie.
  • Bottom left has a rectangle cut out with the left side stepped.
  • The recesses may be matte or metallic black.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder plates that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder plates may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
  • The attachment greeblie is present twice on each shoulder armor (front and back) and is circular in shape with a bracket shaped extension that faces outwards away from the helmet. The bracket shaped extension has four equally spaced raised edges.
    • Within the circular greeblie there is a centered raised circle that is smaller than the circular greeblie it sits on.
• The back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 10/21/2024 at 11:25 AM, Chaos said:

Next up:

Revision 0

Back Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted IAW the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Is in proportion to the rest of the costume.
• Overlaps the abdominal plate.
• Extends over shoulders to meet chest plate.
• The chest and back plate meet flush at the sides.
• The arm area of the back plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the front plate.
• The collar extends upward and tapers to the chest plate.
• The back plate has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside.
  • The vent details above the greeblies are cut out and backed with black material.
  • Each recess has a different and specific set of greeblies inside:
    • Left side recess:
      • A rectangle shape greeblie with an angled right side end with 5 panels.
      • On the right side a heat sink greeblie is fitted.
    • Right side recess:
      • Along the top is a long thin strip with flat ends with approximately 30 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
      • Along the bottom is a long thin strip that has angled ends with approximately 28 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
      • Below it on the left is a rectangle shape greeblie. 
        • Approximately 1/8th of the left side is flat followed by a thin line recess and 7x3 rows of oblong-shaped indents.
      • On the right side is a raised circular ring type hose connector.
      • Below that, along the bottom is a long thin strip that has angled ends with approximately 28 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
  • There is an oblong greeblie centered below the 2 large recesses.
  • There is a small, raised circle greeblie centered below the oblong greeblie.
  • Bottom left has a rectangle cut out with the left side stepped.
  • The recesses may be matte or metallic black.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder plates that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder plates may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
  • The attachment greeblie is present twice on each shoulder armor (front and back) and is circular in shape with a bracket shaped extension that faces outwards away from the helmet. The bracket shaped extension has four equally spaced raised edges.
    • Within the circular greeblie there is a centered raised circle that is smaller than the circular greeblie it sits on.
• The back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

 

Detailing all looks good to me 👍

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

I'll give @IcyTrooper a chance to chime in before I move on to the next section.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

I'm good with it and have either changed/added in purple below. Back at it again

Upper Back Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Proportional to the rest of the costume.
• The back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.
• Back armor overlaps the abdominal armor.
• Back armor extends over shoulders to meet chest armor.
• The chest and back plate meet flush at the sides.
• The arm area of the back plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the front armor.
• The collar extends upward and tapers to the chest armor.
• The back plate has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside.
  • The vent details above the greeblies are cut out and backed with black material matching the rest of the armor. There are roughly 8 cut out rectangles (2 rows of 4 stacked) on each side of these vent details.
  • Each recess has a different and specific set of greeblies inside:
    • Left side recess:
      • A rectangle shape greeblie with an angled right side end with 5 panels.
      • On the right side a heat sink greeblie is fitted.
    • Right side recess:
      • Along the top is a long thin strip with flat ends with approximately 30 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
      • Along the bottom is a long thin strip that has angled ends with approximately 28 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
      • Below it on the left is a rectangle shape greeblie. 
        • Approximately 1/8th of the left side is flat followed by a thin line recess and 7x3 rows of oblong-shaped indents.
      • On the right side is a raised circular ring type hose connector.
      • Below that, along the bottom is a long thin strip that has angled ends with approximately 28 cylinder shaped teeth in the middle.
  • There is an oblong greeblie centered below the 2 large recesses.
  • There is a small, raised circle greeblie centered below the oblong greeblie.
  • Bottom left has a rectangle cut out with the left side stepped.
  • The recesses may be matte or metallic black.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder armor that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder armor may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
  • The attachment greeblie is present twice on each shoulder armor (front and back) and is circular in shape with a bracket shaped extension that faces outwards away from the helmet. The bracket shaped extension has four equally spaced raised edges.
    • Within the circular greeblie there is a centered raised circle that is smaller than the circular greeblie it sits on.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Ok I have that saved! Apologies for finally getting to this.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Next section. This should be a quick one:

Revision 0

Lower Back

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted IAW the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Fitted centered and under the back plate and extends to below the top of the belt.
• The Lower Back and Abdomen side extensions, if any, may meet flush at the sides.
• Has a general “T” shape design with the top being flat across.
  • Each top corner section is extended outward with the bottom edge angling and widening downward to the center section. There are two proportional horizontal recesses that may be present.
  • The center section has a recessed area which has two raised circular ring type hose connectors positioned offset with the larger one located in the upper right corner and the smaller one located in the lower left corner. Connectors may be painted metallic black or silver.
• Two pistons may be present. If present, the ends must have the appearance of being attached to the lower back and extended to be hidden by the belt. Pistons shafts will be painted metallic black or silver.
• Lower back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

[Andreas Funk]

Hallo Zusammen

Ich werde jetzt am Wochenende damit starten,  das Kostüm mir anzupassen und es unter den bis jetzigen Crl s  zu gestalten.

Da mein Kostüm der Hot Toys Puppe zu 100 % entspricht werden wir einige Differenzen haben, über die wir dann noch diskutieren können.

Wenn ich soweit bin, werde ich Bilder einstellen.

 

Darktrooper Grüße aus Deutschland

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

On 11/19/2024 at 10:21 AM, Chaos said:

Next section. This should be a quick one:

Revision 0

Lower Back

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted IAW the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Fitted centered and under the back plate and extends to below the top of the belt.
• The Lower Back and Abdomen side extensions, if any, may meet flush at the sides.
• Has a general “T” shape design with the top being flat across.
  • Each top corner section is extended outward with the bottom edge angling and widening downward to the center section. There are two proportional horizontal recesses that may be present.
  • The center section has a recessed area which has two raised circular ring type hose connectors positioned offset with the larger one located in the upper right corner and the smaller one located in the lower left corner. Connectors may be painted metallic black or silver.
• Two pistons may be present. If present, the ends must have the appearance of being attached to the lower back and extended to be hidden by the belt. Pistons shafts will be painted metallic black or silver.
• Lower back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

@IcyTrooper any input?

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

On 11/26/2024 at 2:57 AM, Chaos said:

@IcyTrooper any input?

Hiya! I'll take a look at it this evening or tomorrow morning (USA time)  

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

I reviewed the Lower Back Armor, nice!

Lower Back Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Fitted centered and under the back plate and extends to below the top of the belt. This is to hide the body of the wearer as much as possible.
• Lower back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.
• The Lower Back Armor and Abdomen Armor side extensions, if any, may meet flush at the sides.
• Has a general “T” shape design with the top being flat across.
  • Each top corner section is extended outward with the bottom edge angling and widening downward to the center section. There are two proportional horizontal recesses that may be present.
  • The center section has a recessed area which has two raised circular ring type hose connectors positioned offset with the larger one located in the upper right corner and the smaller one located in the lower left corner. Connectors may be painted metallic black or silver.
• Two pistons may be present.
  • If present, the ends must have the appearance of being attached to the lower back and extended to be hidden by the belt. Pistons shafts must be painted metallic black or silver.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Alright! Moving right along ..... another quick and easy one.

Revision 0

Shoulder Bell Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Shoulder bells may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.
• One on each shoulder and are not interchangeable.
• Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other.
• Overlaps the bicep armor or may be incorporated with the bicep as one single piece.
  • There is a notch for the bicep armor greeblie in the front lower edge.
• There is a raised beveled circular detail on the outside of the shoulder bell. (See CRL Photo for reference)
  • Inside the detail is a raised circle ring which has a flat disc painted metallic black or silver.
  • There is a raised cylinder in the middle of the disc painted metallic black or silver.
• There is a vertical recess approximately 20mm / 0.75 inch wide along the inside edges of the front and rear faces. This band is offset slightly inward from the inside edge.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:57 PM, Chaos said:

Alright! Moving right along ..... another quick and easy one.

Revision 0

Shoulder Bell Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Shoulder bells may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.
• One on each shoulder and are not interchangeable.
• Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other.
• Overlaps the bicep armor or may be incorporated with the bicep as one single piece.
  • There is a notch for the bicep armor greeblie in the front lower edge.
• There is a raised beveled circular detail on the outside of the shoulder bell. (See CRL Photo for reference)
  • Inside the detail is a raised circle ring which has a flat disc painted metallic black or silver.
  • There is a raised cylinder in the middle of the disc painted metallic black or silver.
• There is a vertical recess approximately 20mm / 0.75 inch wide along the inside edges of the front and rear faces. This band is offset slightly inward from the inside edge.

@Chaos sorry it took so long to get back to this. I thought we did the shoulder armor already? Was it supposed to be the bicep?

https://forum.specops501st.com/topic/8662-dark-trooper-generation-3-mandalorian-crl-discussion/page/2/#comment-113794

 

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

We have previously discussed the chest and back armor which has a "shoulder plate" similar to a pauldron.

I named it Shoulder bell armor to align with other "shoulder bells."  Below it is another section that I have named as "Bicep Armor" The onscreen suit appearance presents itself as an upper piece which overlaps a lower piece. We can name it what ever we want but I was just sticking with previous naming conventions.

[Andreas Funk]

So sehen die Schulterstücke von der Hot Toys Puppe aus und so sehen sie auch zum größten teil in der Serie aus.

 

https://imgur.com/a/NtXMbQh

Grüße aus Deutschland

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Thanks for the explanation, @Chaos! At the end we may want to make sure our text doesn't overlap/duplicate between that other text we had, but that can be done at the end.

Your text is good for the Shoulder Bell Armor with some small changes:

Shoulder Bell/Bicep Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Proportional to the rest of the costume.
• The shoulder bells may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.
• One on each shoulder and are not interchangeable.
• Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other.
• Overlaps the bicep armor or may be incorporated with the bicep as one single piece.
  • There is a notch for the bicep armor greeblie in the front lower edge.
• There is a raised beveled circular detail on the outside of the shoulder bell. (See CRL Photo for reference)
  • Inside the detail is a raised circle ring which has a flat disc painted metallic black or silver.
  • There is a raised cylinder in the middle of the disc painted metallic black or silver.
• There is a vertical recess approximately 0.75" (19.05mm) wide along the inside edges of the front and rear faces. This band is offset slightly inward from the inside edge.