Dark Trooper - Generation 3 - Mandalorian - CRL Discussion

[Andreas Funk]

Das ist aus der Serie 

https://imgur.com/NdQH8qg

[Andreas Funk]

Hallo 

Bin mir nicht ganz sicher ob ich das richtig verstanden habe, die Gelenke jeder Art und Hüfte können also aus Gummi oder einen Rüstungsteil sein ?

Sprich die  Hüfte soll komplett verschlossen, also von allen Seiten?

Aus meiner Praxisverfahrung als Kostumbauer, wird dieses sehr schwierig und dann nicht mehr für jederman tragbar.

Auch bei dem Neckseal ist bei der Disneypuppe eine Überlappung zu sehen, bei der Hot Toys eine glatte Verbindung,

wie es in der Serie war, muss ich mir noch mal anschauen.

Bei den Gelenken lassen wir also jedem freien Lauf bei der Gestaltung oder legen wir die Optik hier noch fest.

Das Ksotüm steht und fällt mit den Gelenken.

Wird dieses keine feste Verbindung, macht das Kostüm später beim Tragen was es will ( meine Erfahrung)

Und wird dann auch entsprechend so aussehen. Ich bin der Meinung, dass Ellenbogen und Kniegelenke eine feste Verbindung sein müssen um diese Kostüm nur grundlegend gerecht zu werden.

Ich stelle mir jetzt schon vor wie unsere GMOs bei einer Kostümzulassung hin und her diskutieren und den Spielraum einer persölichen Interpretation ihrer  Meinung zu diesem Kostüm anlauf nehmen ( oh mein Gott das kann was werden ;-))). ).

Ich denke das wir auch wie bei dem Helm klare Fotos anbieten um ganz klare Vorraussetzungen zu schaffen und die Messlatte ganz genau bedenken für die Grundstufe, damit diese Kostüm wirklich für Leute die da Bock drauf haben dieses auch umsetzen können.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

I'll have to translate this when I get home. 

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

This is Andreas' comments translated. I will respond later today or tomorrow. 

 

Hello 

I'm not sure if I understood that correctly, so the joints of any kind and hips can be made of rubber or a piece of armor?

A piece of armor or a rubber type gasket that looks like segmented armor - This is what we need to discuss and decide on. I agree with Andreas and think the elbow, wrist, knees, and ankle joints need to be attached so that they move and look more like a mechanical joint. The ankles could be just the side disks like Andreas has made, since this area is less noticeable and the movement is pretty simplistic. 

So the hip should be completely closed, from all sides?

I think the hips should not be completely closed like the C3P0 shorts. I think if we use either just the black undersuit or a ribbed gasket like the DT or ST that it would suffice as a concealment. However the "if used" comment was if someone wanted to include a greeblie attached to the thigh armor that looks like the silver mechanical ball joint that we could consider it as a Level 2. I am saying this because I have been working on the 3D files for the thighs and hips and have managed to incorporate a design that mimics the CGI appearance and does not bind the wearer's movement. 

From my practical experience as a costume maker, this becomes very difficult and no longer wearable for everyone. 

The Disney doll also has an overlap on the neck seal, where Hot Toys has a smooth connection,

I'll have to watch it again to see what it was like in the series.

The concealed overlap closure can be seen in the movie. This type of construction hides the zipper. The suit displayed at the Mandalorian exhibit looks like it had been modified for display purposes. I just realized that I did not post up the supporting photos when I posted the proposed CRL text. (I have attached them below)

When it comes to the joints, we give everyone free rein in the design or we still determine the look here.

The body depends on the joints.

If this is not a firm connection, the costume will do what it wants when worn later (my experience)

And it will look like that. I am of the opinion that the elbow and knee joints have to be firmly connected in order to do this costume justice.

I can already imagine our GMOs discussing back and forth over costume approval and taking the liberty of a personal interpretation of their opinion on this costume (oh my god, this could be something ;-))).

I think that, like with the helmet, we should offer clear photos to create very clear requirements and consider the bar very precisely for the basic level, so that this costume can really be implemented by people who are keen on it.

[Andreas Funk]

Hallo

Wollen wir uns wirklich bei den Gelenken an der Puppe von Disney orientieren ? 

Ich persönlich finde das die Hot Toys Puppe wesentlich mehr der Serien Figur entspricht und optisch besser aussieht.

 

Gruß

 

Andreas

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

On 9/2/2024 at 8:54 AM, Andreas Funk said:

Hello

Do we really want to base the joints on the Disney doll? 

Personally, I think that the Hot Toys doll is much more similar to the series figure and looks better.

greeting

Andreas

I would prefer that the elbow, wrists, knee, and ankle joints look like the CGI and Hot Toys, BUT we have to also discuss and decide what path we want to take.

Like I said, my vote is for hard joints that resemble the CGI mechanical joints.

[Andreas Funk]

Ich bin der selben Meinung wie Chaos und ich kann sagen das es geht, mein Kostüm hat nur Hartgelenke.

[Andreas Funk]

Hallo

Ja ich bin da deiner Meinung es ist wahrscheinlich nicht für jeder Mann umsetzbar.

Ich  sehe nur die Gefahr, das die anderen Kostüme dann wirklich schrecklich aussehen.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Well it has been 2 1/2 weeks since we posted up the undersuit and "gaskets" with the question if we decided on "gaskets" at the joints or hard armor joints. Andreas and I are leaning to the "hard joint" armor path. Unless someone comes up with any other suggestions, I recommend that we sideline the section and move on to the Chest Plate and Shoulder Armor. We can always circle back around to the undersuit and joints (hard armor or gaskets) at the end. Just so we can keep things moving. Thoughts from the group?

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Okay, I'm back! I'm so so so sorry for this. I made a slight change to the undersuit on to add a second bullet point as follows and then updated the finalized text:

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. Neck seal and elbow/knee gaskets may be attached to or part of the undersuit.
  • The black material may be shiny or matte.

The neck seal and apron looks good as below:

Neck Seal and Apron

• Neck seal has horizontal ribs.
• Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck and is fitted to the wearer. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.
• It has a concealed overlap which joins at the back of the neck.
• The neck seal may be attached to a smooth black apron which is made of the same or similar material as the neck seal.
  • The apron is worn over the top of the undersuit and under the chest and back armor.

I condensed the gaskets to one section for it since they all had close to the same text, and then just said "by armor":

Gaskets

• Elbow, wrist, ankle, and knee gaskets (if used in lieu of a segmented armor joint):
  • The gaskets must cover any area not covered by armor.
    • Gaskets may be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges (similar to the TFA Elite Stormtrooper).
    • May have the appearance of being segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The elbow, wrist, knee, and ankle joints are segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

I am trying to get caught back up on the discussion about the joints. We need to pay special attention to the CGI joints and ensure that we can replicate them correctly, whether they are functional or not. The most attention will need to be paid to the waist area since that was a big point of contention when we were petitioning to get the CRL.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

On 9/22/2024 at 12:12 AM, IcyTrooper said:

Okay, I'm back! I'm so so so sorry for this. I made a slight change to the undersuit on to add a second bullet point as follows and then updated the finalized text:

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. Neck seal and elbow/knee gaskets may be attached to or part of the undersuit.
  • The black material may be shiny or matte.

The neck seal and apron looks good as below:

Neck Seal and Apron

• Neck seal has horizontal ribs.
• Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck and is fitted to the wearer. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.
• It has a concealed overlap which joins at the back of the neck.
• The neck seal may be attached to a smooth black apron which is made of the same or similar material as the neck seal.
  • The apron is worn over the top of the undersuit and under the chest and back armor.

I condensed the gaskets to one section for it since they all had close to the same text, and then just said "by armor":

Gaskets

• Elbow, wrist, ankle, and knee gaskets (if used in lieu of a segmented armor joint):
  • The gaskets must cover any area not covered by armor.
    • Gaskets may be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges (similar to the TFA Elite Stormtrooper).
    • May have the appearance of being segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The elbow, wrist, knee, and ankle joints are segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

I am trying to get caught back up on the discussion about the joints. We need to pay special attention to the CGI joints and ensure that we can replicate them correctly, whether they are functional or not. The most attention will need to be paid to the waist area since that was a big point of contention when we were petitioning to get the CRL.

I think@Andreas Funk and I have concluded that "mechanical joints" can be replicated to the point that they are similar in appearance to the CGI's joints. As far as the waist. I believe it is possible to achieve the desired look with an ab/back section. It could be similar to the the shore trooper abdomen/lower back as it is a "one piece" wrap around like Andreas' or simply as I have done a one piece that looks like the middle section with side pistons and the person's ab/waist area is just the black undersuit (I prefer this) or a ribbed horizontal gasket.

We can tweak the joints and abdomen and back when we get to that section.

 

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Revision 1

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. Neck seal and elbow/knee gaskets may be attached to or part of the undersuit.
  • The black material may be shiny or matte.

Neck Seal and Apron

• Neck seal has horizontal ribs.
• Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck and is fitted to the wearer. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.
• It has a concealed overlap which joins at the back of the neck.
• The neck seal may be attached to a smooth black apron which is made of the same or similar material as the neck seal.
  • The apron is worn over the top of the undersuit and under the chest and back armor.

 

Gaskets

• Elbow, wrist, ankle, and knee gaskets (if used in lieu of a segmented armor joint):
  • The gaskets must cover any area not covered by armor.
    • Gaskets may be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges (similar to the TFA Elite Stormtrooper).
    • May have the appearance of being segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The elbow, wrist, knee, and ankle joints are segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Just now, Chaos said:

Revision 1

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. Neck seal and elbow/knee gaskets may be attached to or part of the undersuit.
  • The black material may be shiny or matte.

Neck Seal and Apron

• Neck seal has horizontal ribs.
• Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck and is fitted to the wearer. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.
• It has a concealed overlap which joins at the back of the neck.
• The neck seal may be attached to a smooth black apron which is made of the same or similar material as the neck seal.
  • The apron is worn over the top of the undersuit and under the chest and back armor.

 

Gaskets

• Elbow, wrist, ankle, and knee gaskets (if used in lieu of a segmented armor joint):
  • The gaskets must cover any area not covered by armor.
    • Gaskets may be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges (similar to the TFA Elite Stormtrooper).
    • May have the appearance of being segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The elbow, wrist, knee, and ankle joints are segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

We can address the joints when we get to them and modify this on the relook after we decide if we want to require "hard joints"

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Next Section up for review:

Revision 0

Chest Plate and Shoulder Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted IAW the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Is in proportion to the rest of the costume.
• Overlaps the abdominal plate.
• Chest plate extends under the arms and over the shoulders to join with the back plate. Method of connection is not visible.
• A raise circular greeblie, with the appearance of a hose port, is located on the left middle panel of the chest plate. (See CRL Photo for reference)
  • There are four raised cylinders of various size on the hose port. The largest one is centered, two are 180 degrees opposite each other, and one is 90 degrees to the other two.
• There is a recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate. (Locations/descriptions are from frontal view)
  • There are three greeblies painted metallic black located in the recessed area.
    • Greeblie is located on the top center of the recessed section. An elongated rectangle consists of; four small rectangle recesses which are painted red or illuminated, a raise castellated ring on the right side with approximately 15 castellations, and a corner inverted to the center on the lower left side.
    • Greeblie is on the lower right side of the recessed section. Six vertical raised rectangles equally spaced with the far right rectangle being approximately twice the width of the other five
    • Greeblie is located on the lower left side of the recessed section. Two raised elongated horizontal rectangles sit above a raised uneven “T” shape.
• The arm area of the chest plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the back plate.
  • There are three raised elongated narrow trapezoid shapes that extend from the raised tapered ring to the lower front edge of the chest plate
  • There is a raised rectangle with five recessed rectangles of various lengths below the raised tapered ring.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder plates that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder plates may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
• Chest and shoulder plates may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The chest lower center section’s elongated rectangle consists of four small rectangle recesses which are illuminated red.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Next Section up for review:

Revision 0

Chest Plate and Shoulder Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted IAW the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Is in proportion to the rest of the costume.
• Overlaps the abdominal plate.
• Chest plate extends under the arms and over the shoulders to join with the back plate. Method of connection is not visible.
• A raise circular greeblie, with the appearance of a hose port, is located on the left middle panel of the chest plate. (See CRL Photo for reference)
  • There are four raised cylinders of various size on the hose port. The largest one is centered, two are 180 degrees opposite each other, and one is 90 degrees to the other two.
• There is a recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate. (Locations/descriptions are from frontal view)
  • There are three greeblies painted metallic black located in the recessed area.
    • Greeblie is located on the top center of the recessed section. An elongated rectangle consists of; four small rectangle recesses which are painted red or illuminated, a raise castellated ring on the right side with approximately 15 castellations, and a corner inverted to the center on the lower left side.
    • Greeblie is on the lower right side of the recessed section. Six vertical raised rectangles equally spaced with the far right rectangle being approximately twice the width of the other five
    • Greeblie is located on the lower left side of the recessed section. Two raised elongated horizontal rectangles sit above a raised uneven “T” shape.
• The arm area of the chest plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the back plate.
  • There are three raised elongated narrow trapezoid shapes that extend from the raised tapered ring to the lower front edge of the chest plate
  • There is a raised rectangle with five recessed rectangles of various lengths below the raised tapered ring.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder plates that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder plates may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
• Chest and shoulder plates may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The chest lower center section’s elongated rectangle consists of four small rectangle recesses which are illuminated red.

Great work.  Is there additional description needed for the four circular greebies at the bottom edge of each pauldron (front and back)?  It seems like this could be the connection point for each.  Circled in red below:

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

2 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Great work.  Is there additional description needed for the four circular greebies at the bottom edge of each pauldron (front and back)?  It seems like this could be the connection point for each.  Circled in red below:

Yes we could do that, I'll work up the verbiage tomorrow. Good catch!

[Andreas Funk]

Hallo

 

Leider kann ich nicht mehr kommentieren und liken ist bei mir gesperrt

Gruss

 

Andreas

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

1 hour ago, Andreas Funk said:

Hallo

 

Leider kann ich nicht mehr kommentieren und liken ist bei mir gesperrt

Gruss

 

Andreas

Try by logging out, clearing your cookies and log back in. I don't see any restrictions imposed on your account.

[Andreas Funk]

On 9/21/2024 at 11:12 PM, IcyTrooper said:

Okay, I'm back! I'm so so so sorry for this. I made a slight change to the undersuit on to add a second bullet point as follows and then updated the finalized text:

Undersuit

• Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. Neck seal and elbow/knee gaskets may be attached to or part of the undersuit.
  • The black material may be shiny or matte.

The neck seal and apron looks good as below:

Neck Seal and Apron

• Neck seal has horizontal ribs.
• Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck and is fitted to the wearer. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.
• It has a concealed overlap which joins at the back of the neck.
• The neck seal may be attached to a smooth black apron which is made of the same or similar material as the neck seal.
  • The apron is worn over the top of the undersuit and under the chest and back armor.

I condensed the gaskets to one section for it since they all had close to the same text, and then just said "by armor":

Gaskets

• Elbow, wrist, ankle, and knee gaskets (if used in lieu of a segmented armor joint):
  • The gaskets must cover any area not covered by armor.
    • Gaskets may be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges (similar to the TFA Elite Stormtrooper).
    • May have the appearance of being segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The elbow, wrist, knee, and ankle joints are segmented overlapping armor or similar “mechanical” joint in design and color.

I am trying to get caught back up on the discussion about the joints. We need to pay special attention to the CGI joints and ensure that we can replicate them correctly, whether they are functional or not. The most attention will need to be paid to the waist area since that was a big point of contention when we were petitioning to get the CRL.

Also hier bitte noch einmal meinen Baubericht und meine gelieferten Bilder hinzu ziehen ich denke das ich hier die optimale und beste Möglichkeit gefunden habe um diese Bereiche zu verdecken. Wenn einer eine bessere Idee hat gerne her damit. Abe rich denke da ist nicht mehr viel Luft nach oben.

Mein gebauter Prototyp zeigt auf den Bildern und Video wie es geht. Aber wie gesagt wenn ihr was besseres habt dann gerne her damit oder am besten eben ein Video zeigen wie ein Mensch damit läuft 

Von Gummi Dichtung Würde ich abstand nehmem da hier dann keine feste Verbindung mehr vorliegt und die Teile nicht mehr vernünftig miteinander arbeiten. Gerade im Ellenbogen und Kniegelenk ist es extrem wichtig eine feste Mechanik zu verbauen um dem Kostüm gerecht zu werden.

Auch hier müssen die Proportionen immer im Auge gehalten werden. Sonst sieht das Kostüm später nicht gut aus.

Und wie ich es schon mal erwähnt habe dürfen wir das Kostüm nur über die Schuhe dem Träger anpassen und wir gehen von 1,90 m aus. Alles was hier an anderen Teilen dem Kostümträger angepasst wird geht zu lassen der Optik und damit steht und fällt alles bei diesem Kostüm.

Wie gesagt ich habe das alles durch probiert und versucht, am besten sieht es aus wenn alle Teile der original Grösse unterliegen und nur noch die Höhe über die Schuhe geholt wird alles andere macht in meinen Augen keinen Sinn.

 

Gruss

 

Andreas

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

On 10/6/2024 at 10:17 AM, Andreas Funk said:

So please refer to my construction report and the pictures I provided here again. I think I have found the optimal and best way to cover these areas. If anyone has a better idea, please let me know. But I don't think there is much room for improvement.

My built prototype shows how it works in the pictures and video. But as I said, if you have something better, please share it or, even better, show a video of a person using it. 

I would avoid using rubber seals because then there is no longer a solid connection and the parts no longer work properly together. It is particularly important to install a solid mechanism in the elbow and knee joints in order to do justice to the costume.

Here, too, the proportions must always be kept in mind. Otherwise, the costume will not look good later.

And as I have already mentioned, we are only allowed to adjust the costume to the wearer via the shoes and we are assuming a height of 1.90 m. Everything else that is adjusted to the costume wearer is down to the appearance and everything about this costume depends on that.

As I said, I've tried and tested everything, it looks best when all the parts are the original size and only the height is increased above the shoes, anything else doesn't make sense in my opinion.

 

Greeting

 

Andreas

Proportions are definitely considered for it. This is standard in each CRL within this text:

• Measurements given in this document are intended to be approximate and generalized; not criteria for approval.
• Requirements for all 501st costumes are proportional to the wearer in scale, fit and size.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

@Chaos you have a good write-up on the Chest Armor and Shoulder Armor!

I did some edits in purple, but in the white I did have a question. I think you are talking about that "cut out" area it appears on the lower left of the top-center greeblie? Could we maybe say something like there is a rectangular section missing from the lower left side?

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Proportional to the rest of the costume.
• Chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate.
• Chest plate extends under the arms and over the shoulders to join with the back plate. Method of connection is not visible.
• A raised circular greeblie, with the appearance of a hose port, is located on the left middle panel of the chest plate. (See CRL Gallery for reference)
  • There are four raised cylinders of various size on the hose port. The largest one is centered, two are 180 degrees opposite each other, and one is 90 degrees to the other two and shorter.
• There is a centered wedge shaped recessed area that opens up towards the helmet and narrows and stops at a straight line away from the helmet. There space between this wedge shaped area and the recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate.
• There is a recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate. (Locations/descriptions are as if viewing from the front)
  • There are three greeblies painted metallic black located in the recessed area.
    • Greeblie is located on the top center of the recessed section. An elongated rectangle consists of; four equally spaced small rectangle recesses which are painted red or illuminated, a raised castellated ring on the right side with approximately 15 castellations, and a corner inverted to the center on the lower left side.
    • Greeblie is on the lower right side of the recessed section. Six vertical raised rectangles equally spaced with the far right rectangle being approximately twice the width of the other five.
    • Greeblie is located on the lower left side of the recessed section. Two raised elongated horizontal rectangles sit above a raised uneven “T” shape.
• The arm area of the chest plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the back plate.
  • There are three raised elongated narrow trapezoid shapes that extend from the raised tapered ring to the lower front edge of the chest plate
  • There is a raised rectangle with five recessed rectangles of various lengths below the raised tapered ring.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder plates that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder plates may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
  • The attachment greeblie is present twice on each shoulder armor (front and back) and is circular in shape with a bracket shaped extension that faces outwards away from the helmet. The bracket shaped extension has four equally spaced raised edges.
  • Within the circular greeblie there is a centered raised circle that is smaller than the circular greeblie it sits on.
• Chest and shoulder plates may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The chest lower center section’s elongated rectangle consists of four small rectangle recesses which must be illuminated red using LEDs.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

@IcyTrooper Ryan,

Looks good to me. The inverted corner verbiage is similar to the rear lower detail on the DT's back. I think if we change it to the same verbiage as the DT it should work better.

Greeblie is located on the top center of the recessed section. An elongated rectangle consists of; four equally spaced small rectangle recesses which are painted red or illuminated, a raised castellated ring on the right side with approximately 15 castellations. The lower left corner is inverted into the center.

Also I was taking another look at the shoulder armor attachment details and it dawned on me that the four greeblies look like they were intended/designed to be covers, possible for attachment bolts so that the shoulder armor could be removed for maintenance. Something similar to a dust cover.

LOL the things we discover when trying to figure out what the heck a greeblie is supposed to be and what was the original idea source. 

[Andreas Funk]

Hallo zusammen

Also erstmal macht ihr Crl technisch einen super Job, also mich bitte nicht falsch verstehen. Mir ging es um meinen Einwand den ich da eingebracht habe nur um Gummi Dichtung, hier noch einmal den Auszug von Icetrooper.

OPTIONALE Zertifizierung der Stufe zwei (falls zutreffend):

• Die Ellbogen-, Handgelenk-, Knie- und Knöchelgelenke bestehen aus segmentierten, sich überlappenden Panzerungen oder ähnlichen „mechanischen“ Gelenken in Design und Farbe.

Ich versuche, wieder in die Diskussion über die Gelenke einzusteigen. Wir müssen den CGI-Gelenken besondere Aufmerksamkeit schenken und sicherstellen, dass wir sie korrekt nachbilden können, egal ob sie funktionsfähig sind oder nicht. Die größte Aufmerksamkeit muss dem Taillenbereich gewidmet werden, da dieser ein großer Streitpunkt war, als wir die CRL beantragten.

Meine befürchtung ist nur, das es dem Kostüm schadet, wenn wir hier Gummidichtung zulassen anstatt feste gelenke.

Und aus meiner Erfahrung und aus den Testbauten meiner Prototypen hat sich herraus gestellt, dass nicht feste Gelenke sich negativ auf Funktion, tragbarkeit und Optik dem Kostüm schaden und später bei den Zulassungen Diskussionen vorprogrammiert sind.

Und wie Icetrooper schon sagte ein großer Streitpunkt war und meine Meinung halt ist, das Gummidichtung so nicht funktionieren.

Gruss

 

Andreas

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

@Andreas Funk we tabled the gasket discussion. We can come back to it later. I'm fairly sure we will go with hard joints and move away from the rubber knee and elbow joints. We are discussing the chest and shoulder now.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Revision 1

Chest Plate and Shoulder Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Proportional to the rest of the costume.
• Chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate.
• Chest plate extends under the arms and over the shoulders to join with the back plate. Method of connection is not visible.
• A raised circular greeblie, with the appearance of a hose port, is located on the left middle panel of the chest plate. (See CRL Gallery for reference)
  • There are four raised cylinders of various size on the hose port. The largest one is centered, two are 180 degrees opposite each other, and one is 90 degrees to the other two and shorter.
• There is a centered wedge shaped recessed area that opens up towards the helmet and narrows and stops at a straight line away from the helmet. There space between this wedge shaped area and the recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate.
• There is a recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate. (Locations/descriptions are as if viewing from the front)
  • There are three greeblies painted metallic black located in the recessed area.
    • Greeblie is located on the top center of the recessed section. An elongated rectangle consists of; four equally spaced small rectangle recesses which are painted red or illuminated, a raised castellated ring on the right side with approximately 15 castellations. The lower left corner is inverted into the center.
    • Greeblie is on the lower right side of the recessed section. Six vertical raised rectangles equally spaced with the far right rectangle being approximately twice the width of the other five.
    • Greeblie is located on the lower left side of the recessed section. Two raised elongated horizontal rectangles sit above a raised uneven “T” shape.
• The arm area of the chest plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the back plate.
  • There are three raised elongated narrow trapezoid shapes that extend from the raised tapered ring to the lower front edge of the chest plate
  • There is a raised rectangle with five recessed rectangles of various lengths below the raised tapered ring.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder plates that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder plates may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
  • The attachment greeblie is present twice on each shoulder armor (front and back) and is circular in shape with a bracket shaped extension that faces outwards away from the helmet. The bracket shaped extension has four equally spaced raised edges.
  • Within the circular greeblie there is a centered raised circle that is smaller than the circular greeblie it sits on.
• Chest and shoulder plates may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

The chest lower center section’s elongated rectangle consists of four small rectangle recesses which must be illuminated red using LEDs.

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Revision 1

Chest Plate and Shoulder Armor

• Gloss black in color unless noted below. May be painted in accordance with the Color Scheme Guide. If used, all armor pieces must be painted using the Color Scheme Guide.
• Proportional to the rest of the costume.
• Chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate.
• Chest plate extends under the arms and over the shoulders to join with the back plate. Method of connection is not visible.
• A raised circular greeblie, with the appearance of a hose port, is located on the left middle panel of the chest plate. (See CRL Gallery for reference)
  • There are four raised cylinders of various size on the hose port. The largest one is centered, two are 180 degrees opposite each other, and one is 90 degrees to the other two and shorter.
• There is a centered wedge shaped recessed area that opens up towards the helmet and narrows and stops at a straight line away from the helmet. There space between this wedge shaped area and the recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate.
• There is a recessed area on the lower center section of the chest plate. (Locations/descriptions are as if viewing from the front)
  • There are three greeblies painted metallic black located in the recessed area.
    • Greeblie is located on the top center of the recessed section. An elongated rectangle consists of; four equally spaced small rectangle recesses which are painted red or illuminated, a raised castellated ring on the right side with approximately 15 castellations. The lower left corner is inverted into the center.
    • Greeblie is on the lower right side of the recessed section. Six vertical raised rectangles equally spaced with the far right rectangle being approximately twice the width of the other five.
    • Greeblie is located on the lower left side of the recessed section. Two raised elongated horizontal rectangles sit above a raised uneven “T” shape.
• The arm area of the chest plate has a raised tapered ring that joins with a matching detail on the back plate.
  • There are three raised elongated narrow trapezoid shapes that extend from the raised tapered ring to the lower front edge of the chest plate
  • There is a raised rectangle with five recessed rectangles of various lengths below the raised tapered ring.
• There are solid pauldron type shoulder plates that sit on top of each of the shoulders and extend slightly past the shoulder/bicep armor and are attached to a single point on the chest and the back armor. Shoulder plates may be stationary or pivot with shoulder movement.
  • The attachment greeblie is present twice on each shoulder armor (front and back) and is circular in shape with a bracket shaped extension that faces outwards away from the helmet. The bracket shaped extension has four equally spaced raised edges.
  • Within the circular greeblie there is a centered raised circle that is smaller than the circular greeblie it sits on.
• Chest and shoulder plates may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

The chest lower center section’s elongated rectangle consists of four small rectangle recesses which must be illuminated red using LEDs.

I'm good with this unless anyone else has anything else to add.