CRL Update Discussion - Purge Trooper Phase I: Electrostaff Specialist

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

14 hours ago, TK 21814 said:

Thanks Team for your continued work on this CRL update. Let me know if you need any specific pics of my kit, or additional captures from the game. Note, my reference pics use a spotlight feature in the game and I also increased the brightness to highlight the details. Things that are back, do look light black or even grey'ish.

Thanks Brad, much appreciated.  Yes, luckily the lighting is fairly clear, so we've been taking that into account so far.  The only major colour change we've made at this point is the pauldron, which we're calling black instead of grey.  Is that how you would see it too?

[TK 21814[TX]]

Yes. For this variant of the trooper, the pauldron is all black. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

This finalized text for the Pauldron was added to the first post:

Pauldron

• A black pauldron made of leather or a leather-like material, worn over the right shoulder.
• There are six vertical panels at the front, and six at the rear. On the right side of the trooper, these are joined by the main, largest panel of the pauldron over the right shoulder. On the left side, these are joined by a smaller inverted trapezoid panel at the side of the neck. The pauldron has hems of the same leather or leather like material running around the full inside and outside circumferences of the pauldron.
• The main shoulder area of the pauldron is black.
• A black strap runs under the right arm, attached to the front and back of the pauldron at the points where the front and back ribs meet the largest panel of the pauldron. Strap is attached to the front and the back using a gunmetal popper or rivet. 
• A black strap, made from leather or leather-like material, extends from the front left corner, under the left arm and attaches at the back left corner.  Attachment is out of sight, under the pauldron. The strap has a buckle attached under the left armpit that resembles a ratchet-strap, as per the reference image.
• Three ammo cartridges are attached to the strap over the chest. Each cartridge has a raised U-shaped profile at the bottom, and a recessed rectangular notch in the center of the top.

We can move to the shoulder armor!

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Here is the proposed text by @TK 21814 for the Shoulder Armor:

Shoulder Armor

• Purge Trooper style shoulder armor.
• Shoulders are tear drop in shape with all rounded edges.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• Each shoulder has a red Imperial Cog emblem.
• Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of grey tones.

[TK 21814[TX]]

I used the words tear drop shape as I didn’t know how best to describe the shape. They are kind of shaped like an avacado. Lol. If the team has better wording, feel free to make revisions. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 6/15/2023 at 3:39 AM, IcyTrooper said:

Here is the proposed text by @TK 21814 for the Shoulder Armor:

Shoulder Armor

• Purge Trooper style shoulder armor.
• Shoulders are tear drop in shape with all rounded edges.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• Each shoulder has a red Imperial Cog emblem.
• Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of grey tones.

The shape seems quite close to Ph2 Clone shoulder armour, but the outwards curve in the middle is a lot more pronounced:

In the screen above, it does also look like there's a reasonable amount of weathering?  I'd propose something like the following:

• Purge Trooper style shoulder armor.
• Shoulders are tear drop in shape with all rounded edges, as per the references.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• Each shoulder has a red Imperial Cog emblem, sized to the wearer as per the references.
• Armour should be attached with hook and loop or other similar invisible method.
• Armor has some moderate weathering. Any weathering present consists of grey tones.

IAlso, I saw in one screen there is a huge white imperial cog on the underside 😅  Do we include this even though no one will ever see it?

 

[TK 21814[TX]]

Your choice team! I didn’t include it in my build as I made the assumption that the white cog is a remnant of model build for the visible red cog on the opposite side. It could be included, but wow would that be a pain to mask off and paint! LOL

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

5 hours ago, TK 21814 said:

Your choice team! I didn’t include it in my build as I made the assumption that the white cog is a remnant of model build for the visible red cog on the opposite side. It could be included, but wow would that be a pain to mask off and paint! LOL

Yep, I'm 99% sure that you're right on that. I think we can safely leave that off the list 😅 Sure if anyone wants to include it for OCD levels of accuracy, it's hardly going to show on clearance photos anyway. This thread can be a reference for GMLs if the question ever actually comes up. So I can say here that yes, if someone actually paints a large white Imperial cog on the inside of their shoulder armour, it's safe to clear it even though it isn't written in the final CRL!

Any other points we need to clarify on this part, or any wording needing further revision?

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Very good discussion on that! I never even noticed that cog on the underside! I wonder if that has something to do with how the textures are mapped. If we would rather, we could list it as a L2 detail?

I did a little modification to the text to provide a similar statement to which we see with other "reference image" statements we make in other CRLs. I did the same with the "method of attachment" part as well. The main one I pulled from was our recent Task Force 99: Cav costume:

• Purge Trooper style shoulder armor.
• Shoulders are tear drop in shape with all rounded edges, matching the reference images.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• Each shoulder has a red Imperial Cog emblem, sized proportionally to the wearer and matching the reference images.
• There is no visible method of attachment of the shoulder armor to the suit.
• Armor has some moderate weathering. Any weathering present consists of grey tones.

I am still wondering about the wording for moderate weathering. I know that on the helmet we stated little to no weathering, so I want to make sure that we don't have an issue where parts are getting inconsistent with weathering. We should honestly keep it consistent throughout.

[TK 21814[TX]]

I like it icy. The moderate weathering wording is good too and should probably be applied across all parts. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Good point on keeping the weathering wording consistent wherever we can.  Maybe "Light to moderate weathering, grey in colour" across the board?  If we find a piece of armour that doesn't match that, we can specify?

Certainly looking back to the helmet, there's a lot more there than I first appreciated, especially on the dome.  In all three pics you can see it matching the shoulder weathering exactly:

It's also extremely visible on the leg greaves:

And to some extent on the torso armour (especially around the chest area):

 

[TK 21814[TX]]

Light to moderate weathering, grey in colour … perfect

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

We have two options here, really will be based on whether or not we very that EVERY piece has the weathering on it. If all armor pieces have this weathering then we can add a statement to the Special Notes section that reads:

• All armor pieces will have light to moderate weathering that is gray in color. All weathering will be consistent across the costume with no piece(s) standing out from the others.

If NOT every armor piece has this weathering then we should probably include "Armor has light to moderate weathering that is gray in color" on each applicable piece with a blanket statement in the Special Notes section that reads:

• All weathering will be consistent across the costume with no piece(s) standing out from the others.

That would make sure someone doesn't overdo it on one piece but not the other.

 

[TK 21814[TX]]

All pieces are weathered. I think both notes are appropriate. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Sound, we can go with the special note for all armour parts. If we get to the end of thos process and there's one or two pieces which we feel don't meet the description, we can amend that.

I'm happy with Ryan's last text revision for the shoulders, so are we okay to tackle the next item?

[TK 21814[TX]]

I think so 👍

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Onto the next piece! Added leather-like to the text.

Upper Arm Armor

• Purge Trooper style bicep armor.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• There is an ammo strap with three ammo cartridges present on the right bicep.
  • Ammo cartridges are satin black.
  • The strap consists of an approximately ¾" (19.05mm) or 1” (25.4mm) black leather or leather-like band.
• Armor has a front hard line outside edge and inside rounded edge, with indented area on back.
• Armor is seamless.
  • No visible traces of how the armor was assembled are shown.

[TK 21814[TX]]

Looks good to me. The umbrella statement on weathering will apply. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 7/8/2023 at 4:45 AM, IcyTrooper said:

Onto the next piece! Added leather-like to the text.

Upper Arm Armor

• Purge Trooper style bicep armor.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• There is an ammo strap with three ammo cartridges present on the right bicep.
  • Ammo cartridges are satin black.
  • The strap consists of an approximately ¾" (19.05mm) or 1” (25.4mm) black leather or leather-like band.
• Armor has a front hard line outside edge and inside rounded edge, with indented area on back.
• Armor is seamless.
  • No visible traces of how the armor was assembled are shown.

Perfect, can't find anything to add or change after going through the references. This part might be done in one 👍

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Right on, I'll update the 1st page listing and we can move to the next piece. I'm traveling for work until next Friday (been going at it since last Sunday) and doing close to 17 hour days each day so I'm a little slowwwwww.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Time for the Elbow Armor!

Elbow Armor

• Realistic style elbow Armor.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• Elbow straps have a raised detail line at the top and bottom of the strap.
• Armor has two parallel dashed detail slots on each outside edge of elbow at the strap connection.
• Elbows are mirror images of each other with a notched area on the outside of the elbow above the detail marks.

[TK 21814[TX]]

Looks good to me. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Okay dokie, I'm going to move us to the Forearm Armor now

Forearm Armor

• Purge Trooper style forearm armor.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• Forearms have flatter elbow openings than standard clone trooper.
• Forearms have a top ridge that transitions to a flattened triangle area at the wrist end.
• Right forearm has a compad with 8 small buttons, 1 large main button, and 1 slightly smaller rectangular button closest to the elbow.
  • The button closest to the elbow is painted red.
• The compad base has a angular lower panel with a recessed cutline.
• Two white chevron stripes are present on the outer half of each forearm and point towards the shoulder.
  • Each stripe is approximately 1" (25.4mm) wide with a ¼" (6.35mm) gap in between.
  • On the right forearm, the compad does not overlap the white stripes.
• Armor is seamless.
  • No visible traces of how the armor was assembled are shown.

I made some changes in purple and reorganized it a bit to flow. I added that "point towards the shoulder" part because there are stripes on both forearms, so I didn't want to make things redundant. What does everyone think?

[TK 21814[TX]]

Reads fine to me👍

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 7/24/2023 at 1:49 AM, IcyTrooper said:

Okay dokie, I'm going to move us to the Forearm Armor now

Forearm Armor

• Purge Trooper style forearm armor.
• Armor is painted satin black.
• Forearms have flatter elbow openings than standard clone trooper.
• Forearms have a top ridge that transitions to a flattened triangle area at the wrist end.
• Right forearm has a compad with 8 small buttons, 1 large main button, and 1 slightly smaller rectangular button closest to the elbow.
  • The button closest to the elbow is painted red.
• The compad base has a angular lower panel with a recessed cutline.
• Two white chevron stripes are present on the outer half of each forearm and point towards the shoulder.
  • Each stripe is approximately 1" (25.4mm) wide with a ¼" (6.35mm) gap in between.
  • On the right forearm, the compad does not overlap the white stripes.
• Armor is seamless.
  • No visible traces of how the armor was assembled are shown.

I made some changes in purple and reorganized it a bit to flow. I added that "point towards the shoulder" part because there are stripes on both forearms, so I didn't want to make things redundant. What does everyone think?

Those alterations look spot on to me.  Nothing else jumps out at this point!