Regarding Baton Holster And Shields

[karo]

 

 

Hello, in order to have the shields and baton holster included in the CRL, I would like to open a conversation to achieve it.

After watching the episode several times, mainly to obtain the appropriate screenshots, there are a couple of things that stand out to me, as I am sure to many of you.

 The first of all is that they received advice regarding the use of the different items and how the stunts had to act as riot police.

What's more, due to the high "physical" and action content of the episode,even though they are acting, the shields received a harsh treatment and they probably also had  received advice regarding the materials and props necessary to give credibility to the scene.

In order to have a professional point of view regarding this matter, I have requested opinions from professionals in the police field, and they agree that due to positioning, use of containment tactics, withdrawal and arrest, the stunts have been minimally trained.

Regarding  as it seems to be ,the material used, both, the holster of the extendable baton and the large shields, maybe it is  material for police use, minimally modified to give a "star wars" appearance, as usual ,or custom made meeting the approximate specifications and standards of this kind of pólice material.

I have received information about measurements, shapes and materials from various sources... and also carried out searches , what is more I was lucky enought to carry some.

https://www.nidec.es/es/escudos-antidisturbios

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding the baton holster, it is a small item with very little visual impact on the screen so it shouldn't have been very complicated to go for something simple.

Several of the riot police who I´d shared the screenshots agreed that it was probably a simple glove holder.

Sample:

https://www.desenfunda.com/porta-guante-giratorio-en-cuero-parabellum-95165-pa-95165-209699.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiApsm7BhBZEiwAvIu2Xy2Ka5lGoW-2lLydRs9xaMAEuJcVEEY3-O7PXiZlhUItskAKjFS7YhoCWIoQAvD_BwE&utm_source=adtraction&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=adtraction&at_gd=90C7B9B01E546FEAAEDFD926DACA08011DCA9775

To me it seems like  that,  is very common and easy to obtain police equipment ,or maybe custom made  as I said.

There are very few clear shots of this item since it is a black item on a black background...in motion...in fact the closest and clearest one we have is during the confrontation , of one belt falling....

SCREENSHOTS:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The shield is  more complicated , they are objects of great visual impact, close-up filming and surely in the storyboard they were well represented, also on a practical level it is an action scene and should withstand harsh filming conditions.

SEE HOW IT BENDS

An item with these characteristics must be based on a real model or a real one.

I would consider various options:

A/Produce the item from scratch in the prop department , or request it to be manufactured and give it the final finish in the studio.

 

B/Buy items with similar characteristics to those needed and modify them until their final form , ¿Second-hand police equipment?.

 

 C/Search the studio's wardrobe and props collection for the items they  need and modify them ,a fairly common thing.

 

As I have already indicated, after watching the episode several times, I highly doubt that they are resin cast (a common  in shields), they receive an amount of "damage" that brings them closer to modified real shields or shields built from scratch but with the same materials than a real one ,in short, we are talking about plastics.

After having reached the final design, they can easily have ordered the necessary sheets from any company that works with polycarbonate, with the shape cut, folded, and the geometric pattern already milled or engraved.

 Doing the finish painting and putting the handles in the studio's prop workshop , regarding whether this can be done.

I have also been talking about it with an advertising printing production technician , and he let me know that any large format printing press company dedicated to advertising , usually has the necessary machines for die cutting, bending and machining, methacrylates, ABS, forex, polycarbonate, etc... ..

 

 https://www.brettmartin.com/images/default-source/plastic-sheets/industry-case-study-images/application-spotlight-images/fabrication-spotlight-1-police-riot-shield-600x350536b1923-1dd9-4445-9b6d-885aaeced6c2.jpg?sfvrsn=61fcc077_15

 

 https://www.brettmartin.com/

 

 Obviously it's my opinion and I'm opening this thread to get more points of view, it would be great to have first hand information from someone who was on set.

 there are 16 large shields and 4 small shields.

The width of the front part seems to be the same measurement, however on the large shield the "wings" seem larger and with fewer degrees.

The height of  the small shield seems to be the size of the large one WITHOUT the "window", in such a way that the geometric shape could use the same template for both, adding the small "wiew slot".

Using chatgpt ,with the measuraments of the my buckle as a reference of a real item and superimposing a layer on the most complete photographs and then leaving only that layer:

 

 

 

SCREENSHOTS:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the back there are not many screenshots available, but there are enough of the support elements that must be assumed common for the two shields and it is clearly seen that apart from the handles, the foam/forex, are painted in black.

the handles on the left look like a kayak ones:

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Kayaks-correas-moldeadas-extremo-paquete/dp/B009DF8PIC/ref=sr_1_4?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ivbQnwpozrpCiX3bxGAUn0wgZhqjR4H_M-x6sGJMUiVqRSo2GZDHX0xF_i6fSJmKpepCtL4xZ-WLMyQDFSTrPcDVF9_1e2XMdSST5nvEzfznmLIf29eAJR1P3efXh_jPah9Qg8Sme4I_TPbzR5YlcXRrGvU3k-HkIAghdAvmYkEPImuqXJ8qYxjk3ZnBi0BlOzMBT52gdbbY3yN-q7cSOfpPu-rmqA0ZGMvvPUyNJxEBoxtQCDb0xI4Xs4asELSP26DypOUCzQxQ6InxVcmYkFtN_-QgBKA4jN8AFfB12d93IWMRdOJ9xsQgqI7fAsXetMiebpXfcce1skwmec4NBTXoz60J6CadTskQZzCv1uFijx6NOAFWonHen8V-xPt1G0woIbWQMR7LJw0mSPnerXuASiGdv-E1w0_8RdEyNzCrBg8dpRcBVrjkF9IoeXLn.q3yknZ7_RJ51Pkv74CypE2oe4UyrNyPEK4TDk3KRx_Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=kayak+handles&qid=1737135103&sr=8-4

The handles on the right look something like this :

 

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/tiradores-cuadrados-plástico-gabinete-equipaje/dp/B07YCGWBBM/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_es_US=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=18TZLCQZITBKI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.J59q79WhD6nDUH7LKN6CJ549WYEBc8zn0N6e3POaGcizcZTvXsCKAVIJiakJdMwtrZFjHyAiVICToRIjon972qukfr1tNz2G3Q1ff11GJRrgaExsafiyT-0Cvzp-M7R8CVBgxh9LVjK6VRlkmmZB-M7hLGYWAZAhfOF8tuOuoJkk6RYFY_p4lvOUaVZ-Clc2DncE9b17YymM6hcq4_nEhR_iOKJDbIrWsFmOs752a9RglTNzzpLYRLFTqa3VReisCUQrbUXYGC_9PvA1Wn4NSqPfT4ENMdtgi1QYiQWm0xnrv2Pji4Dtch9kKuuP_fmfVqjt-p5pSrqArtroodHXiKDahpgiWCy4VqBVJcT3BEGXBc6Y_uvoa-nFhVXR7fp7ciUMPvCJ-ogbXt2GtZqRZc6b4dZTHJ7rRpNKoNY66qEEPTz2eDwVKm2n0BAtQYzX.arjk57vTrwMOmFVQSro4ycKmQAmzlBtXyx7MZWxP4WM&dib_tag=se&keywords=plastic+black+handles&qid=1737135532&sprefix=plastic+black+handles%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-8

 

SCREENSHOTS:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDGES AND MAYBE LAYERS?

 

 

 

In my opinion they are two constructions of 2 millimeter polycarbonate or something similar, composed of two layers.
One of the layers (the one on the back) with the high-density foam/forex supports, with the handles attached ,another layer (the one on the front) with the engraving, the two layers attached with glue and painted black.
In the case of the large shield and since it is the first line, everything is also  joined together by the 4 screws that can be seen.

I await your ideas and/or opinions.

As soon as we agree on some measurements and some details, I can make them.I have embedded the photos in the forum to the best of my ability/knowledge.Sorry for my use of English, I hope all the text is understandable, I'm a little rusty.

If the moderators consider it appropriate to move this post to another thread, let them do so.

Likewise, I can provide moderators access to a folder with the screenshots in case they consider it appropriate to upload them to the thread.

Greetings.

 

[MarinaMC]

Outstanding work mate! 
Looking forward to troop with you (and your shield) again :)

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM]]

On 1/17/2025 at 12:13 PM, karo said:

 

 

Hello, in order to have the shields and baton holster included in the CRL, I would like to open a conversation to achieve it.

After watching the episode several times, mainly to obtain the appropriate screenshots, there are a couple of things that stand out to me, as I am sure to many of you.

 The first of all is that they received advice regarding the use of the different items and how the stunts had to act as riot police.

What's more, due to the high "physical" and action content of the episode,even though they are acting, the shields received a harsh treatment and they probably also had  received advice regarding the materials and props necessary to give credibility to the scene.

In order to have a professional point of view regarding this matter, I have requested opinions from professionals in the police field, and they agree that due to positioning, use of containment tactics, withdrawal and arrest, the stunts have been minimally trained.

Regarding  as it seems to be ,the material used, both, the holster of the extendable baton and the large shields, maybe it is  material for police use, minimally modified to give a "star wars" appearance, as usual ,or custom made meeting the approximate specifications and standards of this kind of pólice material.

I have received information about measurements, shapes and materials from various sources... and also carried out searches , what is more I was lucky enought to carry some.

https://www.nidec.es/es/escudos-antidisturbios

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding the baton holster, it is a small item with very little visual impact on the screen so it shouldn't have been very complicated to go for something simple.

Several of the riot police who I´d shared the screenshots agreed that it was probably a simple glove holder.

Sample:

https://www.desenfunda.com/porta-guante-giratorio-en-cuero-parabellum-95165-pa-95165-209699.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiApsm7BhBZEiwAvIu2Xy2Ka5lGoW-2lLydRs9xaMAEuJcVEEY3-O7PXiZlhUItskAKjFS7YhoCWIoQAvD_BwE&utm_source=adtraction&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=adtraction&at_gd=90C7B9B01E546FEAAEDFD926DACA08011DCA9775

To me it seems like  that,  is very common and easy to obtain police equipment ,or maybe custom made  as I said.

There are very few clear shots of this item since it is a black item on a black background...in motion...in fact the closest and clearest one we have is during the confrontation , of one belt falling....

SCREENSHOTS:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The shield is  more complicated , they are objects of great visual impact, close-up filming and surely in the storyboard they were well represented, also on a practical level it is an action scene and should withstand harsh filming conditions.

SEE HOW IT BENDS

An item with these characteristics must be based on a real model or a real one.

I would consider various options:

A/Produce the item from scratch in the prop department , or request it to be manufactured and give it the final finish in the studio.

 

B/Buy items with similar characteristics to those needed and modify them until their final form , ¿Second-hand police equipment?.

 

 C/Search the studio's wardrobe and props collection for the items they  need and modify them ,a fairly common thing.

 

As I have already indicated, after watching the episode several times, I highly doubt that they are resin cast (a common  in shields), they receive an amount of "damage" that brings them closer to modified real shields or shields built from scratch but with the same materials than a real one ,in short, we are talking about plastics.

After having reached the final design, they can easily have ordered the necessary sheets from any company that works with polycarbonate, with the shape cut, folded, and the geometric pattern already milled or engraved.

 Doing the finish painting and putting the handles in the studio's prop workshop , regarding whether this can be done.

I have also been talking about it with an advertising printing production technician , and he let me know that any large format printing press company dedicated to advertising , usually has the necessary machines for die cutting, bending and machining, methacrylates, ABS, forex, polycarbonate, etc... ..

 

 https://www.brettmartin.com/images/default-source/plastic-sheets/industry-case-study-images/application-spotlight-images/fabrication-spotlight-1-police-riot-shield-600x350536b1923-1dd9-4445-9b6d-885aaeced6c2.jpg?sfvrsn=61fcc077_15

 

 https://www.brettmartin.com/

 

 Obviously it's my opinion and I'm opening this thread to get more points of view, it would be great to have first hand information from someone who was on set.

 there are 16 large shields and 4 small shields.

The width of the front part seems to be the same measurement, however on the large shield the "wings" seem larger and with fewer degrees.

The height of  the small shield seems to be the size of the large one WITHOUT the "window", in such a way that the geometric shape could use the same template for both, adding the small "wiew slot".

Using chatgpt ,with the measuraments of the my buckle as a reference of a real item and superimposing a layer on the most complete photographs and then leaving only that layer:

 

 

 

SCREENSHOTS:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the back there are not many screenshots available, but there are enough of the support elements that must be assumed common for the two shields and it is clearly seen that apart from the handles, the foam/forex, are painted in black.

the handles on the left look like a kayak ones:

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Kayaks-correas-moldeadas-extremo-paquete/dp/B009DF8PIC/ref=sr_1_4?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ivbQnwpozrpCiX3bxGAUn0wgZhqjR4H_M-x6sGJMUiVqRSo2GZDHX0xF_i6fSJmKpepCtL4xZ-WLMyQDFSTrPcDVF9_1e2XMdSST5nvEzfznmLIf29eAJR1P3efXh_jPah9Qg8Sme4I_TPbzR5YlcXRrGvU3k-HkIAghdAvmYkEPImuqXJ8qYxjk3ZnBi0BlOzMBT52gdbbY3yN-q7cSOfpPu-rmqA0ZGMvvPUyNJxEBoxtQCDb0xI4Xs4asELSP26DypOUCzQxQ6InxVcmYkFtN_-QgBKA4jN8AFfB12d93IWMRdOJ9xsQgqI7fAsXetMiebpXfcce1skwmec4NBTXoz60J6CadTskQZzCv1uFijx6NOAFWonHen8V-xPt1G0woIbWQMR7LJw0mSPnerXuASiGdv-E1w0_8RdEyNzCrBg8dpRcBVrjkF9IoeXLn.q3yknZ7_RJ51Pkv74CypE2oe4UyrNyPEK4TDk3KRx_Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=kayak+handles&qid=1737135103&sr=8-4

The handles on the right look something like this :

 

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/tiradores-cuadrados-plástico-gabinete-equipaje/dp/B07YCGWBBM/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_es_US=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=18TZLCQZITBKI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.J59q79WhD6nDUH7LKN6CJ549WYEBc8zn0N6e3POaGcizcZTvXsCKAVIJiakJdMwtrZFjHyAiVICToRIjon972qukfr1tNz2G3Q1ff11GJRrgaExsafiyT-0Cvzp-M7R8CVBgxh9LVjK6VRlkmmZB-M7hLGYWAZAhfOF8tuOuoJkk6RYFY_p4lvOUaVZ-Clc2DncE9b17YymM6hcq4_nEhR_iOKJDbIrWsFmOs752a9RglTNzzpLYRLFTqa3VReisCUQrbUXYGC_9PvA1Wn4NSqPfT4ENMdtgi1QYiQWm0xnrv2Pji4Dtch9kKuuP_fmfVqjt-p5pSrqArtroodHXiKDahpgiWCy4VqBVJcT3BEGXBc6Y_uvoa-nFhVXR7fp7ciUMPvCJ-ogbXt2GtZqRZc6b4dZTHJ7rRpNKoNY66qEEPTz2eDwVKm2n0BAtQYzX.arjk57vTrwMOmFVQSro4ycKmQAmzlBtXyx7MZWxP4WM&dib_tag=se&keywords=plastic+black+handles&qid=1737135532&sprefix=plastic+black+handles%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-8

 

SCREENSHOTS:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDGES AND MAYBE LAYERS?

 

 

 

In my opinion they are two constructions of 2 millimeter polycarbonate or something similar, composed of two layers.
One of the layers (the one on the back) with the high-density foam/forex supports, with the handles attached ,another layer (the one on the front) with the engraving, the two layers attached with glue and painted black.
In the case of the large shield and since it is the first line, everything is also  joined together by the 4 screws that can be seen.

I await your ideas and/or opinions.

As soon as we agree on some measurements and some details, I can make them.I have embedded the photos in the forum to the best of my ability/knowledge.Sorry for my use of English, I hope all the text is understandable, I'm a little rusty.

If the moderators consider it appropriate to move this post to another thread, let them do so.

Likewise, I can provide moderators access to a folder with the screenshots in case they consider it appropriate to upload them to the thread.

Greetings.

 

Thanks for this amazing write-up and attention to detail! I'll review this with the team!

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Karo and I spoke of this offline and I have to agree I think the research, attention to detail and amount of screenshots provided back up the belief that this was sourced. Maybe it started out life as something entirely differnt. Or maybe it was made in a plastic shop with a set of plans.

Working that poly/ lexan/ acrylic at that length will be something a shop will need to do most of us arent going to have a hot wire ability to heat form that length of material. I looked up a bunch of items such as the kayak handles and they are out there. 

 

on the baton holster we had a lot of discussion on that but I thin for "set" simpler is better.  we had discussions of TPU and formed parts being used. I have been of the opionion it might be a broom handle clip.  

 

I think this would definitely be someting to add to the CRL as an option.  We never added the holster to the CRL because we could not defintiely say what it was or how it was made.  @karo if you can give us some feild exertise on the holster you made and let is us know if it holds up, being just a leather loop, that would help a lot. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM]]

On 2/5/2025 at 9:49 AM, Blackwatch said:

Karo and I spoke of this offline and I have to agree I think the research, attention to detail and amount of screenshots provided back up the belief that this was sourced. Maybe it started out life as something entirely differnt. Or maybe it was made in a plastic shop with a set of plans.

Working that poly/ lexan/ acrylic at that length will be something a shop will need to do most of us arent going to have a hot wire ability to heat form that length of material. I looked up a bunch of items such as the kayak handles and they are out there. 

 

on the baton holster we had a lot of discussion on that but I thin for "set" simpler is better.  we had discussions of TPU and formed parts being used. I have been of the opionion it might be a broom handle clip.  

 

I think this would definitely be someting to add to the CRL as an option.  We never added the holster to the CRL because we could not defintiely say what it was or how it was made.  @karo if you can give us some feild exertise on the holster you made and let is us know if it holds up, being just a leather loop, that would help a lot. 

Let's get a working group going for this when the new term kicks in.

I have to get movement going again on the Gen 3 Dark Trooper.

[karo]

WIP on the shields.

I've one  real and used shield  that a friend gave me, saving it from going to waste ,It was quite deteriorated due to its use in practice but I am using it to do painting tests and visual comparisons of the grades of the side "wings".

Regarding the holster, in the photo it is mounted on a belt section, as soon as I have a moment I will do a fit test with the belt and the baton + photo

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

wet formig some ten ounce leather may be stiff and rigid enough to hold the baton. It think eight ounce leather (Belt stuff) would open up under the weight of the baton.