Del Meeko CRL Change proposals FEBRUARY 2025

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I dont feel we need to rework things like weapons and the box. Those are ultimately optional and well described. 

This may wrap us up! 
 

I made some final edits to the boot text to simplify it.

 

Boots

• Tall black leather or leather-like material. Boots are dull in appearance.
• Similar design to tall German jack boots or tall motorcycle riding boots are acceptable for basic approval.
• Boot has a round, plain toe. Harness style or box toe boots are not to be approved.
• Ankle straps are to be removed.
• Typical jackboots are not acceptable as they are too short. The boot shaft must rise as close to the bottom of the knees as possible. The boot shall be as tall as required to achieve this appearance. See reference images.
• Boots have an adjustment strap on the out facing side of the boot.
• Adjustment strap has a square, silver adjustment buckle.
• Heels are made of rubber or similar material . Visible tread is permitted. 
• Boots may contain zipper closure but must be concealed. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Boot shaft height should be 15" (38cm) or as required to stop just below the knees.
• Boots have a flap with adjustment strap with square silver buckle that starts at the middle back of the boot and wraps around to the outfacing sides. See reference images for shape of the adjustment flap and strap.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Excellent stuff, it feels good to have a lot of that ironed out.

Are there any outstanding issues that you can see from the JRS side @Wingman?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

its been a few days with no comment. I feel we can move forward.  Im ready to photograph my own del hopefully this weekend for submission. 

[Wingman[TX]]

Oh sorry. Was on vacation and had much to do. I'll have a look at it and respond soon.

[Wingman[TX]]

@tipperaryred

I'm ok with all the updates for the basic stuff that could get used by both departments for approval. Really nice work.

The only thing that feels a bit nitpick is that the Vest should be the same fabric as the Suit. In real life tactical vests are made out of codura fabric and so people get forced to get a custom made vest. Many people using the Flyye Law Enforcement Vests as base and customized them to get them accurate which wouldn't be possible anymore with this restriction. So feels a bit like Gatekeeping somehow as for basic approval as the attendant needs to get a custom made vest which are not easy to get in many regions.

How do you guys see it?

 

In this screenshot you can see that the weave of the vest is not as fine as the one of the suit.

 

 

[Wingman[TX]]

Here's a picture of my heavily modified Flyye Vest and a comparison to the ingame Screenshots.

It even has the two seamlines on top of the Ammo Pouches so the Flyye Vest comes with most details that are shown in the game. I completely removed the ammo Pouches and placed them lower to match the ingame reference and i also removed Molle straps and replaced them. 

Only thing that is missing are the vertical stitches which I will add for my Vest soon as they are now required and to stay as accurate as possible. 

So to me the Flyye vest it still a good base if modified. 

 

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I just got my vest from Jim Triipon, its his prototype new style like yours, made of heavy canvas.  It also has the dropped pouches, leather, etc.  Its a departure from how he used to make them and he had to send it back to his crafter a couple of times to get it right.  I had him add the vertical stitches, which I feel can be an L2 item. 

 

For edification and transparency here is The original topic disucsion.  There were a LOT of PMs going on between myself Anton and Maxime. They had quite the argument over the vest material and both were very stronly opinionated on its makeup.  I knew absolutely noting of the character at the time, so I was going by what they were sorting out when I wrote it.  

Our current verbiage allows heavy canvas , here is the finished text.

[Wingman[TX]]

1 hour ago, Blackwatch said:

I just got my vest from Jim Triipon, its his prototype new style like yours, made of heavy canvas.  It also has the dropped pouches, leather, etc.  Its a departure from how he used to make them and he had to send it back to his crafter a couple of times to get it right.  I had him add the vertical stitches, which I feel can be an L2 item. 

 

For edification and transparency here is The original topic disucsion.  There were a LOT of PMs going on between myself Anton and Maxime. They had quite the argument over the vest material and both were very stronly opinionated on its makeup.  I knew absolutely noting of the character at the time, so I was going by what they were sorting out when I wrote it.  

Our current verbiage allows heavy canvas , here is the finished text.

Ok. But I would also add Cordura 1100 as fabric option as said most of the real world tactical Vests are made of this fabric.

 

Here's a reference. 

 

 

Looks close to Canvas.

 

Could you may post pictures of your Vest from Jim? Would really love to see it.

 

Thank you. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

2 hours ago, Wingman said:

Ok. But I would also add Cordura 1100 as fabric option as said most of the real world tactical Vests are made of this fabric.

 

Here's a reference. 

 

 

Looks close to Canvas.

 

Could you may post pictures of your Vest from Jim? Would really love to see it.

 

Thank you. 

Hi Dennis, thanks for the feedback.  It's definitely important to give people as many options as possible while staying true to the references, so that's what we want to do with the vest too.  I fully agree that the weave on the vest is slightly wider than that in the flightsuit.

Just a quick reminder of the new text we currently have in draft form:

"The tactical vest and its pouches are made of black fabric similar to the flight suit material. Heavy black canvas is recommended. "

It's important to note that we're not saying that it has to be the same material as the suit, just that it has to look quite "similar".

As you show in your picture above, the Cordura already looks extremely close to canvas, so would be 100% acceptable for both basic and Level 2 clearance under the newly proposed text.  I wouldn't like to specifically name the Cordura brand as a possible option in the current text, just in case people get confused and think the flightsuit should be made from that material too.

However to make it even more flexible, what about the following small tweak?

"The tactical vest and its pouches are made of black fabric similar to the flight suit material. Heavy black canvas or similar fabrics are recommended. "