Del Meeko CRL Change proposals FEBRUARY 2025

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 6/18/2025 at 7:40 PM, Blackwatch said:

Something was just brougth up about the vest that has been missing.  There are two vertical seams on the vest at the inner edge of the webbing, on the outer edge of the M16 pouches. Im adding verbiage to what we have agreed upon. In the game play one looks topstitched, one looks butt jointed. Im willing to allow either for L1. 

 

New text in green. 

Please comment. 

 

Change log 2.1

Tactical Vest

 

• The tactical vest and its pouches are made of black fabric similar to the flight suit material. Heavy black canvas is recommended. 
• There are three M4 / M16 style magazine pouches fitted to the front of the vest, each filled by a rectangular package covered in the same fabric as the tactical vest. The packages fill the pouches completely, and extend above the pouch. Each package has a black gloss strip mounted to the front at the top, which should appear to be constructed from a similar material to the costume's hard armour parts. 
• There is a black block on the right side of the vest matching references, held in place by one of the webbing straps described below 
• There are a total of fourteen wide horizontal black webbing straps sewn onto the front of the tactical vest, with four stacked horizontally on either side of the pouches, and two at the front of each pouch. Straps are approximately 1" (25mm) wide and sewn to match reference images.
• There are two vertical stitched lines near the inner edge of the horizontal webbing strips. This may be topstitched or butt joined. 
• The main shoulder straps are made from leather or leather-like material, which cross at the back and attach to the top edge of the vest on both sides.  The front shoulder straps are attached to triglide buckles, which in turn attach to the top front edge of the vest with a shorter strap.  
• The shoulder straps cross near the top of the back armor box. Each shoulder strap runs through a tri-glide at the rear before feeding into approximately 1" (25mm) wide side release buckles which attach to the top edge of the vest.  
• There is a leather or leather-like waist strap (approximately 1" or 25mm wide) present at the back of the tactical vest, and it is attached to the vest with one quick release buckle on the right or left side of the vest at the wearer's option. This quick release buckle is hidden under the scout pouch, and is not seen when worn. A single adjusting tri-glide is centered on the back waist strap.
• There is a specific buckle greeblie mounted above the front tri-glide buckles on each side, matching reference images. 
• There is a horizontal strip mounted to each front shoulder strap, several inches above the buckle greeblie. The strips should be made from the same material as the shoulder straps. 
• The Flyye tactical vest is not accurate and will not be approved for use. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
 

• The vest is proportional to the wearer.  See reference images and the Costume Gallery for placement of specific components.  
• All shoulder and waist straps are made of black leather or leather-like material.
• Vest front tri-glides are made with reference to the games 3D model, and are attached to the vest with straps that are approximately 1.37" x 1.37" (35mm x 35mm) wide.
• Buckle style greeblies made with reference to the 3D models are attached to the shoulder straps above the tri-glides.
• The front shoulder straps which go over the shoulder and continue to the back are made of 3 layers which are glued, sewed or bonded together.  Stitching is permitted as long as the stitches are small and do not detract from the overall appearance.  The first (bottom) layer is approximately 1.37" (35mm)  The middle layer shall be approximately 1" (25mm) wide. The final layer is approximately 9/16" (15mm) wide. 
• The layered part of the leather shoulder straps runs up over the shoulders and stops below the rear of the collar.  It then continues on as an approximately 1" (25mm) wide black strap, passing through tri-glides and into side release buckles, which are held to the vest with straps that are approximately 1" (25mm) wide.        
• The three magazine pouches fall below the bottom edge of the vest. The top of the pouch is in line with the bottom edge of the upper webbing strap. The bottom edge of the pouch may come close to but not touch the top edge of the overbelt. 

Good catch, though given that this has gone virtually unnoticed for years I'd say that it's safe to put this new text as a Level 2 requirement?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I had it put in as an L1, but as you say its gone un-noticed and not commented on in the original discussion at any point, nor does the line//seam appear in any of the 3d model renders.  Given its appearance as both a butt seam AND a topstich, Im inclned to allow both, even on the same vest. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 6/26/2025 at 8:39 PM, Blackwatch said:

I had it put in as an L1, but as you say its gone un-noticed and not commented on in the original discussion at any point, nor does the line//seam appear in any of the 3d model renders.  Given its appearance as both a butt seam AND a topstich, Im inclned to allow both, even on the same vest. 

Sound, if it doesn't even appear on the 3D renders then it probably doesn't belong as a requirement for basic clearance.  It might be a good rule of thumb to stick to for consistency?  Features that don't appear in the game renders but are visible in the hi-res promotional images can be strictly limited to Level 2?  The mesh behind the lenses is another good example of that.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

heres the next change log for our vest.  Clearly one of the more complcated parts for Del. 

Change log 2.2

Tactical Vest

• The tactical vest and its pouches are made of black fabric similar to the flight suit material. Heavy black canvas is recommended. 
• There are three M4 / M16 style magazine pouches fitted to the front of the vest, each filled by a rectangular package covered in the same fabric as the tactical vest. The packages fill the pouches completely, and extend above the pouch. Each package has a black gloss strip mounted to the front at the top, which should appear to be constructed from a similar material to the costume's hard armour parts. 
• There is a black block on the right side of the vest matching references, held in place by one of the webbing straps described below 
• There are a total of fourteen wide horizontal black webbing straps sewn onto the front of the tactical vest, with four stacked horizontally on either side of the pouches, and two at the front of each pouch. Straps are approximately 1" (25mm) wide and sewn to match reference images.
• The main shoulder straps are made from leather or leather-like material, which cross at the back and attach to the top edge of the vest on both sides.  The front shoulder straps are attached to triglide buckles, which in turn attach to the top front edge of the vest with a shorter strap.  
• The shoulder straps cross near the top of the back armor box. Each shoulder strap runs through a tri-glide at the rear before feeding into approximately 1" (25mm) wide side release buckles which attach to the top edge of the vest.  
• There is a leather or leather-like waist strap (approximately 1" or 25mm wide) present at the back of the tactical vest, and it is attached to the vest with one quick release buckle on the right or left side of the vest at the wearer's option. This quick release buckle is hidden under the scout pouch, and is not seen when worn. A single adjusting tri-glide is centered on the back waist strap.
• There is a specific buckle greeblie mounted above the front tri-glide buckles on each side, matching reference images. 
• There is a horizontal strip mounted to each front shoulder strap, several inches above the buckle greeblie. The strips should be made from the same material as the shoulder straps. 
• The Flyye tactical vest is not accurate and will not be approved for use. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The vest is proportional to the wearer.  See reference images and the Costume Gallery for placement of specific components.  
• There are two vertical stitches near the inner edge of the horizontal webbing straps. This may be topstitched. 
• All shoulder and waist straps are made of black leather or leather-like material.
• Vest front tri-glides are made with reference to the games 3D model, and are attached to the vest with straps that are approximately 1.37" x 1.37" (35mm x 35mm) wide.
• Buckle style greeblies made with reference to the 3D models are attached to the shoulder straps above the tri-glides.
• The front shoulder straps which go over the shoulder and continue to the back are made of 3 layers which are glued, sewed or bonded together.  Stitching is permitted as long as the stitches are small and do not detract from the overall appearance.  The first (bottom) layer is approximately 1.37" (35mm)  The middle layer shall be approximately 1" (25mm) wide. The final layer is approximately 9/16" (15mm) wide. 
• The layered part of the leather shoulder straps runs up over the shoulders and stops below the rear of the collar.  It then continues on as an approximately 1" (25mm) wide black strap, passing through tri-glides and into side release buckles, which are held to the vest with straps that are approximately 1" (25mm) wide.        
• The three magazine pouches fall below the bottom edge of the vest. The top of the pouch is in line with the bottom edge of the upper webbing strap. The bottom edge of the pouch may come close to but not touch the top edge of the overbelt. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

after we clear the tactical vest proposal above, ill gladly move to the overbelt, underbelt, thermal and rear pouches. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 7/1/2025 at 4:36 PM, Blackwatch said:

after we clear the tactical vest proposal above, ill gladly move to the overbelt, underbelt, thermal and rear pouches. 

Perfect, I think we've got the wording as good as we're going to get it for now.  We've fixed a few glaring errors, cut down on some of the more verbose wording, and ensured there's a good level of detail for those pursing Level 2.  I think we're good to move on!

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

So lets talk about the belt. Is there anything further to discuss? 

Text from the current CRL: 

 Imperial Officer Under Belt

 

• The belt is constructed from leather or a leather-like material. A very slight texture is acceptable.
• Approximately 2" (51mm) in width, up to 3" (76mm) is acceptable.
• There are no loops or extra holes on the belt.
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25mm) from the left side of the buckle.
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
• The buckle size is approximately 2.62" (66mm) high and 4.12" (104mm) wide with 0.5" (13mm) radius rounded corners.
• Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt is made of non-textured leather.
• Two parallel grooves run the length of the belt 1/8" (3mm) in from edge.
• Snap is worn to the left of the wearer 1" (25mm) from the buckle edge.
• Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
   

 

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Yep, I think all is good there.  It's the underbelt that is a bit more contentious I think, so we can address that when we get to it.  Happy to move on

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Here is the proposal for the overbelt, straight from the published CRL:

 

I see no glaring issues with only one change:

Over Belt

• The Over Belt consists of 5 gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar plastic, mounted to a leather or leather like waist strap which closes under the thermal detonator.
• The waist strap is approximately 1.5" (40mm) wide.
• The over belt is worn around the under belt, so that the top third of the under belt shows above the over-belt.
• There are special-shaped boxes on left and right of the 3 central boxes which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photos.
• A total of 8 rivets are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right at the edge of the special-shaped boxes.
• Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by 1.5" (40mm) wide black leather or leather-like straps. The strap is and as long as necessary to allow the box to hang on the wearers right hip.
• For basic L1 approval a standard Scout style hip box may be approved.
• The strap is attached to the front of the over-belt through a slot on the right side of the central box. The back end of the strap goes behind the under-belt, to the left side of the thermal detonator.
• The hip box strap has 1.5" (40mm) quick release buckles on the front and back. Each buckle is attached at the mid point of the strap.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The rigid front portion of the outer belt is made from  referencing the game's 3D model and scaled to the wearer.
• The box is smaller than a typical scout box, is curved, the back is closed with a back plate, and features a rectangular depression near the bottom out facing side of the box.
• The boxes may be lightly stained or weathered. Silver is not permitted.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

any commentary or input ? if not we will package this up and move on. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

The width of the leather strap is something that has been brought up before. It's currently fixed at 40mm, while the underbelt provides a range of 51-76mm. The problem being that a 40mm overbelt looks proportionally much too big on top of a 51mm underbelt. I'd recommend allowing a similar range, maybe 30-40mm? With a line of text making clear that the overbelt strap should be scaled correctly relative to the underbelt?

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Over Belt

• The Over Belt consists of 5 gloss black boxes made of ABS or similar hard material plastic, mounted to a leather or leather like waist strap which closes under the thermal detonator.
• The waist strap is approximately 1"-1.5" (25mm-40mm) wide.
• The over belt is worn around the under belt, so that the top third of the under belt shows above the over-belt.
• There are special-shaped boxes on left and right of the 3 central boxes which are horizontal in position as seen in reference photos.
• A total of 8 rivets are present with 2 rivets mounted vertically on the left and right at the edge of the special-shaped boxes.
• Hanging from the right side of the belt is a hip box made out of hard material. This is connected to the belt by 1.5" (40mm) wide black leather or leather-like straps. The strap is and as long as necessary to allow the box to hang on the wearers right hip.
• For basic L1 approval a standard Scout style hip box may be approved.
• The strap is attached to the front of the over-belt through a slot on the right side of the central box. The back end of the strap goes behind the under-belt, to the left side of the thermal detonator.
• The hip box strap has 1.5" (40mm) quick release buckles on the front and back. Each buckle is attached at the mid point of the strap.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The rigid front portion of the outer belt is made from  referencing the game's 3D model and scaled to the wearer.
• The box is smaller than a typical scout box, is curved, the back is closed with a back plate, and features a rectangular depression near the bottom out facing side of the box.
• The boxes may be lightly stained or weathered. Silver is not permitted.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

if we allow for scaling that will partiall solve or at least partially alleviate the issue Nichole is having with vertical spacing on the components. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 7/23/2025 at 12:40 AM, Blackwatch said:

if we allow for scaling that will partiall solve or at least partially alleviate the issue Nichole is having with vertical spacing on the components. 

Agreed, it solves both issues at once - scaling to the underbelt, and scaling to provide a better fit on different body sizes.