IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM] Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 This will be a thread for discussion of the ISB Tactical Agents as seen in Andor on Coruscant. This will be the main listing and we'll tackle each part piece by piece (green is done, yellow is WIP, and red is not finalized): Hat Tunic Chest Armor Back Armor Shoulder Armor Bicep Armor Forearm Armor Hand Plates Gloves Upper Belt Lower Belt Hip-plates Trousers Shin Armor Boots Tactical Vest (optional) Radio Vest (optional) Radio (optional) UNNAMED weapon (optional) ----------FINALIZED TEXT GOES BELOW THIS LINE (THIS IS THE OFFICIAL TEXT FOR THE CRL DEVELOPMENT)------------ Description: Imperial Security Bureau Tactical Agent Prefix: TX Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment Context: Star Wars: Andor (TV Series) Costume description here Special Notes: The armor parts are gloss white, or as specified in each part description, and made from one of these (or similar) types of materials: Fiberglass ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene) PLA, ABS, PETG (3D Printing) Polyurethane Rubber 3D Printed parts are permitted but all print lines and other artifacts must be removed. Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy. Hat Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Tunic A long-sleeved, black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric is a plain weave cotton similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where Velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Chest Armor Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. Light to moderate weathering consistent with reference images is permitted. The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, Velcro, or another hidden fastener. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate and are painted gunmetal or dark silver. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is white. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted to match helmet and back armor. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Moderate weathering consistent with reference images is required. Back Armor Back plate is painted to match the chest armor and helmet. Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. Chest and back plate meet at the sides. There are 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. Hose connecters are painted to match the strap raised slot, strap buckle, and recessed box color. Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside, all painted the same white as the armor. The vents at the top of the boxes may have the openings darkened with weathering. Four raised bars approximately .375" (10mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present. Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside that are painted to match the recessed box color. Light weathering is preferred inside of the recesses. Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recesses. There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. Shoulder straps are white and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The hose fittings are angled forward. There is a recessed hole approximately .31" (7.8mm) above the top left corner of the left recessed box. There are two indented squares approximately 1⁄4" x 1⁄4" (5mm x 5mm) aligned vertically above the right upper corner of the left recessed box. There is a raised step on the bottom of the main back box. 1 Link to comment
IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM] Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 This thread has now been unlocked for DCAs to facilitate discussions on CRL development. Please keep in mind, as standard in CRL development processes at Spec Ops, we start from the top of the costume and work our way down going one item at a time until that text is finalized BEFORE moving to the next part. There may be some opportunities where we touch back on "finalized" items, but generally we try to avoid that until we get to the end and do any last minute touch ups. We will start with the Hat text first and go from there. There will be DCAs chiming into this thread with the rest of general membership. 2 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 With Del CRL update moving toward completion, and keeping an eye on our other Andor troopers who are recieving updated information as well this is one I had hoped for since the first previews. Im very excited we get to be the parent Detachment for this costume. And I see from our first , initial WIP topics that this will prove to be a very popular option. The quality of our refeence images has signifcantly gone up since we wrote the Mudtrooper CRL with its dark, murky images and Andors motion blur. These screen images are often crystal clear. Ready to get started! 1 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 (edited) And, here-we-go Hat text will begin with the base text for the Security Trooper Version 2, no armor, with hat. From our Security Trooper CRL: Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Discussion: The hats are smaller at the top creating more of a truncated cone than in the past. Its subtle, but its there. The slope angle is slightly different. Another thing I note is that the disc greeblie does not look like the standard greeblie we have always used in the past. Its looks slighly smaller, and has a more significant step to it. Edited June 5 by Blackwatch 7 Link to comment
Dropkick[CMD-DL] Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 It's great to have this costume here in Spec Ops & I look forward to seeing the CRL process progress from top to bottom. 2 Link to comment
pyro[TX] Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Is just for the base kit or are we fleshing out all the variantions? Link to comment
Tarrif[TX] Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Changelog: 06/06/2025 1225 EST: Made changes to hat based on recommendations by Blackwatch This is based on the regular ISB Tactical Trooper. Hat Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), or (7) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Hat is more conical in appearance than standard Imperial hats. Tunic A long-sleeved, black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric is a plain weave cotton similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where Velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Chest Armor Chest shall be painted gloss or semi-gloss white to match helmet and back armor. Moderate weathering to depict the assault squad is permitted and must match reference images as long as all armor is weathered this way. Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, Velcro, or another hidden fastener. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate and are black in color. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is white. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted gloss or semi-gloss white to match helmet and back armor. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver. Back Armor Back plate is painted to match the chest armor and helmet. The back plate to box should appear seamless. Moderate weathering to depict the assault squad is permitted and must match reference images as long as all armor is weathered this way. Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. The collar stands 1.5" to 2" (38mm - 50mm) tall. Chest and back plate meet at the sides. The front overlaps the back plate. The back plate dips below the back horizontal edge to meet the dip of the front armor plate. There are 2 cut-down hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. The hose connectors are angled forward. There is a 1" (25.4mm) recessed circle on top of and to the wearer’s right of the right hose connector. The upper half of the back has two large cut out recesses. Each recess has eight symmetrical rectangular vent details and various greeblies inside. Four raised bars approximately 0.375" (9.5mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present. Each recess has a different and specific set of greeblies inside that are painted to match the rest of the armor. Left side recess has a rectangle shaped greeblie with an angled right-side end with five panels. The first left panel has a tube on top that runs up the left side and across the top of the recess. On the right side a heat sink is fitted. A heatsink modeled from a MSI DDR Chipset 1.5" x 1.5" (38mm x 38mm) heatsink is most accurate. Right side recess has a long thin strip with 17 teeth, extending from the left edge to approximately 5⁄16" to ⅜" (10mm to 14mm) from the right edge. This is located directly below the double row of rectangular vents. Below it is a rectangle shape greeblie consisting of two parts. The left part is flat, the center is three rows of 7 oblong depressions and the right part features a hose connector greeblie. The left side has a raised “vent” in which the far left ⅓ is flat, followed by a thin line recess and 7X3 rows of oblong-shaped indents. The right side has a circular type hose connector. There are 5 tapered vents on the lower sides of the backpack. These vents are present on the left and right. Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. There is an oblong greeblie centered below the two large recesses. The greeblie is approximately ⅛" to 3⁄16" (3.175mm to 4.76mm) tall and 1.25" (30mm) long. There is a small ¼" (6.35 mm) diameter) raised circular greeblie centered approximately ⅞" (22.2mm) below the oblong greeblie. The bottom of the circular greeblie is in line with the top of the small rectangular cutout on the lower left side of the backpack. There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. Shoulder straps are white and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is a recessed hole approximately .31" (7.8mm) above the top left corner of the left recessed box. There are two indented squares approximately ¼" x ¼" (6.35mm x 6.35mm) aligned vertically above the right upper corner of the left recessed box. There is a stepped ledge at the bottom of the main back box. Shoulder Armor Shoulder armor is painted to match the chest armor and helmet. Moderate weathering to depict the assault squad is permitted and must match reference images as long as all armor is weathered this way. Ridge along the center of the shoulder bell is raised and beveled. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Shoulder armor is a cut down version of the Shoretrooper shoulder, approximately 7" - 8" (18cm - 20cm) around at its widest part. Bicep Armor For basic approval a one-piece bicep is permitted. The bicep may appear “open” or split as seen on screen. Moderate weathering to depict the assault squad is permitted and must match reference images as long as all armor is weathered this way. Cover strips will appear on the front and back, covering joints if present. Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip inset into the top of the bevel. Cover strips may be as deep as ½" (12.7mm) and up to ⅞" (23.5mm) in width, beveled on all four sides. Biceps are painted to match the armor and helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Biceps are a two-piece design with the halves held together with hidden flexible cord and shall remain flexible. Forearm Armor Work in progress. Hand Plates White with optional moderate weathering. Roughly pentagonal in shape. Oblong recess on the front edge. Mounted securely over the back of the gloves. Gloves Black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, and forefinger. The palm has 5 raised padded sections. The black oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand. Extend underneath the forearm armor. Upper Belt Belt is constructed from a white non-textured leather or leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width; up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearer’s left from the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2⅝" (66.7 mm) high and 4⅛" (104.5 mm) wide with ½" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt buckle may be moderately weathered to match the appearance of the assault squad. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge. The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle. The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" tall x 2" wide, x 1" thick (76.2mm x 50.8mm x 25.4mm). Boxes shall be painted gunmetal or dark grey. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of white leather. Belt has a groove at top and bottom edge of the belt along its length. Belt boxes are smaller than Rogue One boxes, being 2.5" tall x 1.75" wide x 1" thick (63.5mm x 44.5mm x 25.4mm). Belt boxes feature a pill shaped indentation at the top of the box. Lower Belt Made of black rubber with vertical ridges matching the visual reference and approximately 2" (50mm) in height. Five white belt boxes are present: Four are approximately 4" (100mm) in height, 1.25" (30mm) in depth, and 1.5" (38mm) in width. Boxes have the appearance of a smaller 3/4" (19mm) box stacked on a top of a slightly larger 3/4" (19mm) box. Each box has a horizontal indentation approximately 3/4 to the top of the box. This indentation is painted black or dark grey. The fifth box is worn on the wearer's right side of the other four boxes. This box is approximately 5" (125mm) in height, 1.5" (38mm) in depth, and 1.5" (38mm) in width. There is a significant indentation 1/3 from the bottom, approximately 3/4" (19mm) in depth and 1/4" (6mm) in height. The belt is closed in the rear and covered by a trapezoid belt buckle approximately 6" (150mm) wide on top, 4" (100mm) wide on the bottom, and 1" in depth. The rear belt buckle looks to have a slightly smaller trapezoid on top of it, giving a stepped appearance. The rear belt buckle is painted white and has an imperial cog in the middle with no notch. Kama Made of white soft leather or marine vinyl material. Attached to the upper belt (white) and runs around the side of the wearer's waist, approximately aligning with belt boxes in front and 1/4 the way around the wearer's backside. The kama is long enough to reach the wearer's mid-thigh. A stitched seam is present running approximately 1/4" along the front, back, and lower edges of the kama. A seem is present running from the top right corner of the kama to approximately 1/4 the way from the lower right corner A seem is present running from the top left corner of the kama to approximately 1/4 the way from the lower left corner Trousers Black Trousers matching the tunic and hat in color, type, and weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid-thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. Shin Armor The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the wearer’s shin using two flexible rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves. Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle. The rubber straps are ribbed and equal in size. Straps extend from each buckle and the inner side of the greaves. A “T” shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee. The “T” shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised. Two triangular prism-shaped ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the “T” shaped knee plate. The top and bottom facets are longer than the side facets. The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image. The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot. Shins are painted to match the armor. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The shin buckle shape is different than the shoulder buckles. The rear lever bar is shorter with a more distinct curve. Rubber straps are approximately 1.5"(38.1mm) wide. A parachute buckle is hidden below the shin buckle. Boots Boot rises to no higher than mid-shin, and is leather or a leather-like material. There are no laces, decorative stitches, embellishments or buckles on the instep. A single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot may be present. The buckle is no wider than 1" (25.4mm). This need not be functional. Strap adjustment buckle is dingy gunmetal color, or dingy gray. It shall not be shiny/chrome. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable as long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by a vinyl or leather strip, it is painted black. For basic approval the soles may feature a more aggressive tread. German Bundesmarine Navy Sea Boots (or authentic replica) are most canon. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. German Knobelbecher Bundesmarine or Knobelbecher Bundeswehr style, are most accurate in height and design. Sole is low-profile with no hobnails, a modest heel, and modest tread. If seams are present they are at the rear only. Rectangular reinforcement stitching on the upper shaft does not have an “X” stitched into it. Sabatons Three pieces of white armor which cover the toe, mid section, and vamp of the front of the boot. These pieces are held together by rivets or post-hole screws and match the visual references. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): All pieces of armor can move with the wearer's steps and are functional. Radio Based on the real CB Microphone CM-4. The body of the radio is black, with silver greeblies matching the visual references. Radio is attached to the upper right corner of the wearer's chest armor. Weapon Based on the MP40 submachinegun, with the rear stock of the E-10 and front portions inspired by the E-11 blasters. 1 Link to comment
IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM] Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 12 hours ago, pyro said: Is just for the base kit or are we fleshing out all the variantions? We are probably going to have variants, so if we identify specific sections where there are variations we can address them there. It is probably going to be like the Mudtrooper and others, but I'll let @Dropkick and @BlacXabbath answer that as DL/XO. 21 hours ago, Blackwatch said: And, here-we-go Hat text will begin with the base text for the Security Trooper Version 2, no armor, with hat. From our Security Trooper CRL: Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Discussion: The hats are smaller at the top creating more of a truncated cone than in the past. Its subtle, but its there. The slope angle is slightly different. Another thing I note is that the disc greeblie does not look like the standard greeblie we have always used in the past. Its looks slighly smaller, and has a more significant step to it. @Blackwatch With that hat having a higher crown, you think that is something we can address in by adding more L2 items? We may want to pull from the Dedra Meero text for the hat so that we aren't reinventing the wheel? https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:Dedra_Meero 3 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 yes agreed and big thanks to Sebastian for pulling our Mudtrooper / Armored Security trooper text as he base framework to work from here. It was about this time last night when I was working on that ,and my brain doesn't brain this well at night in a hotel room. I forgot our color change indications last night when I posted. Starting with Sebastian's text from above, and reffing to Meero's conical hat. Change log 1.1 Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Hat is more conical in shape than standard Imperial hats. 1 Link to comment
tipperaryred[CMD-DCA] Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Dedra's hat uses the exact same text as the OT Staff Officer hat, and I'd agree that what we see in the tactical team does on the surface seem more conical at the top. However, it's worth noting that Heert is wearing the exact same style hat as the tacticals, despite being a supervisor like Dedra. Combined with what we know about the production team reusing costumes and props wherever possible, it seems to me quite likely that we're looking at the same hat in all cases. Perhaps it was a conscious decision to have the tactical hats looking a little more roughed up? If you manhandled them and threw them around a bit, it could almost certainly compress them and create that slightly puffed up look at the top? In either case, I think going with the text above referring Dedra's CRL would be appropriate. We could also add in the more detailed description of the material from the IOC text if it looks appropriate to folks? "Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate." I'd 100% agree that if we add in the "more conical" text it would only belong in Level 2, as would any tweaks to the code cylinders. Do we have any close ups of the code cylinders to compare? But yes, in essence the same hat should easily be able to clear basic clearance for the ISB Tactical Agent, Dedra Meero and the OT Staff Officer. 1 Link to comment
Tarrif[TX] Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 11 hours ago, Blackwatch said: yes agreed and big thanks to Sebastian for pulling our Mudtrooper / Armored Security trooper text as he base framework to work from here. It was about this time last night when I was working on that ,and my brain doesn't brain this well at night in a hotel room. I forgot our color change indications last night when I posted. Starting with Sebastian's text from above, and reffing to Meero's conical hat. Change log 1.1 Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Hat is more conical in shape than standard Imperial hats. Added a changelog to my proposed CRL and updated the hat portion to reflect your recommendations. Link to comment
Darth Corndog[CMD-DCA] Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I think they would be all the same hats. They look it at least to me. Using the same text as what is seen in Dedra's or other ISD CRL's would make sense. If we can, I'd say copy the text straight from another CRL in regards to the hat so there would be no confusion? 2 Link to comment
pyro[TX] Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I say we copy the Security trooper CRL for the hat and softgoods as that’s what they are supposedly used. Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 i agree to a point with copying the text, but I think we can add an L2 requirement for the more conical shape. Actually this is the same shape we saw with the first Officer addressing Vader on the DS hallway. Im pliable both ways on the hat. I dont want to fall back into the quagmire we did with the black secuirty officer, under the belief at the time we could adopt the green Andor text and change it "green" to "black" 😐 From the IOC: Imperial Hat, Black Hat is OPTIONAL since Meero is seen with hat and both on and off. Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Black color matches the pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides, with the back flap over the front, and are about 4 inches (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap." OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Code Disk has NO notch detail on the outermost disk. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): All "flap" outer edges shall be wrapped with bias tape made from the same fabric as the rest of main hat material. Code Disk exactly matches screen-used prop. From our Security trooper: Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. The bones of these two are the same. We CAN forgo the appearance of the hat, maybe two different costume makers made them ever so slightly different. I dont know ive never been on a set and I dont know how things run there but if these are in fact leftover/ reused costumes, im willing to concede to keeping what we have. Especially if you are going to throw goggles on top and its going to crush the crap out of the hat. I wont be wearing a hat anyway when Im in Sergeant Gharial! 😆 1 Link to comment
Darth Corndog[CMD-DCA] Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I think an issue might be that hats always look different on people. It could be the same hat but because it's on a different person's head it is appearing different. I like the imperial hat description (i think you took from Meero's) because of the detail. It gives approximate dimensions which i like. Either work though. 2 Link to comment
IcyTrooper[CMD-DWM] Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 Now that I look further into it, I think the IST one is probably better. There is a lot of verbiage from the Meero on that references pants, etc. We'd have to cut that back anyways and it'd most likely end up close to the IST one. @Blackwatch if possible, can you add the bullets going forward? That will keep the stuff in the direction we want when we get down to some other items that have extra levels of detail. I think this text is good for going forward: Hat Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. 3 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 the IST text works for us, and Heidi's right, they look differnt on differnt people. Hoda's looks conical in his CRL photos. I think we can move on down the line at this point. Hat text has been posted to the finalized text topic. Next is the Tunic. Text from our Security Trooper CRL: Change log 1.0 Tunic A long-sleeved, black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric is a plain weave cotton similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where Velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Discussion points that occur to me: People will use their existing Security Troopers for this costume. Will the fabric appear to be waxed? I need to rewath the episode but I have not had any free time. Do we need to include the verbiage regarding the tunic hooks? Are they visible at any point holding the lower belt? 1 Link to comment
pyro[TX] Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Here’s my security trooper hat for example 1 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 it occurs to me now that the top of the "cone" top remains the same, but head size changes the lower base. That gives the different impression of "conicalness". I made that up. Link to comment
Detaleader[501st] Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Surely it's this is a matter of "hat is a poor fit on the wearer, thus causing a different shape" kind of situation? An Imperial Hat from Andor went up for auction a while back and it simply has an "M" label in it. It's also from HeroCollection, implying it was reused from Rogue One, where the hats were originally supplied. https://imgur.com/a/l60kGQ6 Hat pictures here. Also as a whole, the hat should be optional? Some troopers don't have a hat at all, some have what looks like a rolled up beanie, some have just the goggles Link to comment
tipperaryred[CMD-DCA] Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, Detaleader said: Surely it's this is a matter of "hat is a poor fit on the wearer, thus causing a different shape" kind of situation? An Imperial Hat from Andor went up for auction a while back and it simply has an "M" label in it. It's also from HeroCollection, implying it was reused from Rogue One, where the hats were originally supplied. https://imgur.com/a/l60kGQ6 Hat pictures here. Also as a whole, the hat should be optional? Some troopers don't have a hat at all, some have what looks like a rolled up beanie, some have just the goggles Yes, the text above mirrors the text for the earlier hats already described in other CRLs, so they will largely be able to be used interchangeably. And yes, the hat will certainly not be essential for all versions of this costume. There are a lot of part being swapped in and out, including the hat(s), goggles and tactical vests. For now we'll just work on getting each of those parts well described, and then we can finalise how exactly the CRL will be presented. We could go with a single CRL with a lot of "Optional" pieces, or a multi-part CRL using different "versions" as per the IAT and IST CRLs. 2 Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 yep, you are right! i wont be wearing one. and if I did, it would be backwards with my goggles on it. Which I may do for giggles since thats how I wear my engineer half the time. We knocked it out first because its on top but in the end different tabs with differnet configurations may be better off rather than so much mix and match. Thats interesting about the prop auction, I dont follow those so I never know whats going on with them. The photo clearly shows the greeblie, which looks like crap compared to the ones we get machined for us. 1 Link to comment
Detaleader[501st] Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 5 hours ago, Blackwatch said: Thats interesting about the prop auction, I dont follow those so I never know whats going on with them. The photo clearly shows the greeblie, which looks like crap compared to the ones we get machined for us. That's a big reoccurring theme with original props, especially stuff like Belt Boxes with casting bubbles everywhere and such Link to comment
Blackwatch[CMD-DCA] Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Any discussion about the tunic and the points I brought up ? Link to comment
tipperaryred[CMD-DCA] Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Unless we see evidence that they dramatically altered the IST tunic just for this one costume, I'd say it is safe to proceed with the previous CRL text. Do we have confirmation from those who were on set that it is 100% the same tunics used? And yes sorry, if there's anything that is 100% hidden by the armour then probably no harm either dropping it or maybe better yet moving it to Level 2. 1 Link to comment
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