ShovelGuy

@Blackwatch When I built my helmet I modeled it of of the detailed close up of the Sapper with the screw caps on the skirt , would mind be considered wrong ?

Good News the prototype pack is currently being worked on . It is following all of things listed in the Purposed CRL and should cover both variations of the L2 pack , Pack with Shovel and Pack with Grenade string . Hopefully it’ll be done within a month or so . I would like to revisit the helmet portion of the CRL . After looking at all the panels it appears the helmet is very inconsistent with where the screw caps are . Some have the place high up on the upper dome and in some panels they are mounted low on the skirt , I’m assuming that’s how the chin strap is mounted . Then there’s the topic of the ear protection. Like with real world military helmets it would make practical sense to have ear protection for sappers who are dealing with explosives.

@Raider I agree that there’s enough evidence to suggest not all Sappers have a a shovel and that they may be working in teams . @izzi As for the pouches it’s very evident that most if not all sappers are wearing the not only the same pouches but in the same configuration. Unlike the Army Trooper or Engineer I don’t think the Sapper is a costume where people can sorta do whatever they want like the previous two , which show enough variation between Trooper to warrant that .

@Raider Let’s assume that the field gear configuration is the same for all engineers, not including the chest pouch of course . As I listed above it’s basically a set of Molle Handcuff pouches at the front , a set of Mp40 pouches at the side , a set of Molle Strobe pouches near the rear and a optional large pouch at the rear center . As for the optional gear it’s a dump pouch worn at the waist , the chest pouch and the rear pouch . I can take some photos of what I have together so far , just waiting on the pack .

As for the various troopers I think it can be narrowed down option 1 : Charge on the bottom of the pack and shovel Option 2 : String of charges and side charge These two have the best visuals of the pack and all their details .

I like the idea but I’d replace the shovel with the pouch on the side of the pack as that seems more consistent than the shovel .

For the basic pack I’d say do the Basic pack plus one charge as the minimal for the L1 requirements . And for L2 have it be required that they must have a minimal amount of the optional accessories . As for the E-11 I don’t think we need to worry about the holster . There isn’t one in the art so there shouldn’t be one In the CRL . If a trooper decides to add a holster after approval then they can . For the Dump pouch I’m using this

I have looked at all the field gear for the Sappers I think it should be as follows : 2x Black Molle handcuff pouches with button snaps . One on each side of the belt on the left and right of the buckle . 2x Black MP40 Pouches ( Leather or canvas )on both the left and right sides of the belt behind the handcuff pouches . 2x Black Molle Strobe pouches on both right and left sides of the belt behind the MP40 pouches . Optional Pouches : Large Rear pouch ( Molle Gas Mask Pouch ?) with button snaps at the rear of the belt . Side GP Pouch . Possibly attached around the waist with a strap separate from the web gear ( Kinda like an M17 Gas Mask pouch ) Black Chest Pouch ( Molle SAW pouch ) mounted on a cross strap attached to the suspenders . Again just like the combat pack there’s a lot of room for optional items for people .

They are the same gloves from the original Army Trooper ( Officer Variant) CRL with the three line stitch . Basically just black gloves i had laying around . My pouches are the hip style pouch so they have belt loops large enough to fit my pistol belt through .

I think that’s a great idea . Especially since the Engineer pack is somewhat based on the Sandy pack . As for the chest pouch I think we decided it was attached to the suspenders.Thats how mine is attached .

Thanks . Hoping to have the pack in hand in a few months at most .

I have a few suggestions I’d like to put forward is the ideas of an approvable pack that meets a bare minimum of requirements. Example : An approved pack must meet at least 2 options from a list of say 4. ( not including the long tube charge on top , which is required on all packs ) A. Shovel B. Demo charge type 1 C. Demo Charge type 2 D. Explosives string etc.. This gives people the option to have some variety with their packs while still meeting a minimum requirement for approval as well as covering the inconsistent pack accessories in the comic . Another item I’d like to bring forward is the possibility of changing the name of the CRL to Imperial Army Sapper . I believe it’d help distinguish it from the current Army Engineer CRL based not only on the specialized equipment that separates the two but how they are different in the Dark Horse Comics .

I’d say no . It was discussed earlier and there’s substantial evidence to say there is no pack frame .

Pack is currently in the works and will be posting updates . I redid the Trim on my helmet . Looks better with the glossy contradicting the matte black . I’m thinking a new coat of paint is due in the near future.

Based on the general consensus and input from the forum I’ve been presenting these ideas to CrookKnights for the Engineer pack he is building for me . Hopefully by the end of the week a design will be finalized.

Since there are several pack configurations what do we want to make the standard pack for basic approval ? Or do we want to have a basic pack that meets minimum amount of the various accessories ?

Once my Engineer pack is complete from Crookknights it can be used as a base for the CRL . The Purposed CRL for the Pack is what i used as the base plus designs provided by Matt Nelson as well as studying each panel of the comic . Hopefully when it’s done we can move into the final stages of making this a real CRL .

I’ll be ordering my pack from Crookknights this week . it will be built off a HWT pack with NO frame .

This was just a easy attempt. I’ll probably go back and try something else .

I am familiar with the PRC-77 , I use to do Vietnam Reenacting and I was the RTO and had a PRC-25 and 77 . As for the boots ideally I’d like to have the Commuter style as the only boot option . As for the tabs I agree they should be an optional thing , I’d love to get some down the line . And as for the pack I was thinking of a flat back piece similar to how Crookknights makes his packs . Nothing fancy really .

I think once someone gets a pack together we can atleast get an idea on what works and what doesn’t work . I’ve currently got everything complete and together , minus the Pack . It’d be nice to see this CRL make forward movement .

While reviewing the comics I noticed that the Engineers have some sort of padded hearing protection. I added some square padding but will be replaced with circular . It also shows the chinstrap is mounted rather low .

My Weatherproof Brand Commuter Boots .

I believe the boots need to be addressed . I think it still has the German Jackboots listed and not the accurate Commuter boots . I have everything except the pack complete so far .

I suppose you could use the frame as a base if it’s properly concealed . I’d say get the uniform , equipment and helmet part of the CRL mostly complete then come back to the pack .