New CRL Proposal - Mudtrooper

[RAIDER[COTG]]

WARNING - THIS CRL IS IN THE OUTLINE AND DEVELOPMENT STAGE AND REQUIREMENTS THEREIN ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE

See the discussion thread here: http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/topic/5896-new-crl-development-mud-trooper/&

 

Helmet

An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt.

A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned with the rim.

The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is black.

The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath.

A small tactical flashlight may be worn below the telemetry unit. 

A rubber trim, or the illusion of a rubber trim covers the edge of the helmet rim with the join made at the rear center of the helmet.

Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. These may be weathered.

The helmet is to be painted in matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u) to match the armor. The helmet paint finish may be textured, and is moderately weathered.

Helmet has a black chin cup with tan webbing strap. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered.

 OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable):

The helmet has a black/dark gray polystyrene inner liner consistent with that of a skate or bike helmet.

The telemetry unit may feature a tied length of elastic bungee cord, approx. 4-5mm in diameter, looped around the outer upper section. 

If worn, tactical flashlight on right side of helmet is approx. 3.5" (90mm) black aluminum flashlight with knurling at both ends and a rubber push switch. Flashlight need not be functional.

Disks do not feature a notch or groove details.

 

Goggles

Goggles shall have an aged chrome frame with detail painting, and weathering to match reference image. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance.

Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam.

Goggles have dark angled lens featuring two flat panels on each side.

Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - approximately 25mm and 40mm. The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap.

The goggle strap features a number of buckles:

•    There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 25mm elastic is threaded.

•    A large buckle greeblie on the lefthand side through which the 40mm elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a beige square.

•    Two black plastic tri-glides on the right rear through which the 40mm elastic is threaded.

OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable) 

 Serrated 25 mm slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 25mm elastic is threaded.

Respirator

The respirator is large enough to cover the wearers’ lower face.

The respirator shall be painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) and moderately weathered.

The respirator has a ‘mouth’ which features a curved bottom, short curved vertical sides and arched top where the tubes attach.

The mouth is painted matte black.

The mouth features seven vertical cut-outs in the top center. The three center lines shall be equal length and run from the top of the mouth to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down in size incrementally.

A silver colored metallic mesh is visible through the cut-outs.

The respirator features two rounded tusks that extend either side of the mouth.  

The end of each tusk features a filter.

The filters are aged chrome in color  and have a raised center ring with three branches connecting to the outer ring.

Sides of the filter slope to meet the tusks of the mask.

Metallic mesh is visible through between the branches of the filter.

Above each tusk is a black colored buckle through which 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing straps are fed. Each strap connects to a metal snap hook. These hooks are used to connect the respirator to the neck strap.

The neck strap consists of a length of 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing with metal D-Rings sewn in to place.

Tan webbing should be lightly weathered.

The respirator can be worn to cover the face, or suspended around the neck of the wearer.

Level 2 (Optional)

The metallic mesh for the mouth and filters consist of a rounded diamond pattern.

In the center of each tusk filter is a hex socket cap screw.

A rubber trim, or the illusion of a rubber trim covers the edge of the respirator.

Hoses

Two black rubber breathing hoses, approx. 30mm outer dimension, connect either side of the vertical cut-outs of the mouth. The hose extends over each shoulder and connects to the hose connectors located at the top of the back plate.

Scarf

A military style scarf is worn around the neck.

The color may be solid dark olive grey or solid green ,and should contrast with the tunic.

Parka

Russian Plash Palatka Style.

Parka is dyed or painted black.

Tied or otherwise attached under the chest armor and worn to cover the back plate.

Parka shall be heavily weathered.

OPTIONAL: Level 2 certification (if applicable):

Ring Grommets shall be leather to match reference photos. or metal grommets shall be covered with leather to mimic leather grommets.

Tunic/Jacket

A long-sleeved, Olive Grey, jacket that falls between upper and mid-thigh.

Has a high mandarin style collar with  an open space in front.

Has two panels on either side of the front, extending to the bottom of the jacket with a width of approximately 6".

Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm. Look may be created with top stitching.

If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket, with no covering flaps present.

No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor.

Shall be moderately to heavily weathered.

Optional Level 2 (if applicable):

Jacket is made of an Olive Grey heavy weight bull denim Twill material.

There is an imperial cog patch sewn on each shoulder and are made of an embossed 3D vinyl material.

There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom of the seam where the arm connects to the body.

 

Chest Plate

Chest Armor matches visual references.
Accurate shape/design to front of chest.
There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section.
Buckles attached to upper chest plate.
Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.
To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval.
Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor.
On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards.
Chest and straps shall be painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) and be moderately weathered.

 

Back Plate

Back Plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate.
Chest and back plate meet at the sides.

Black foam extends from the arm openings.

2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie.
Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside.
The walls and floor the recesses shall be matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u).
Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside to match Rogue One backplates.
Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The floor of the cut out and the walls inside match the matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) color of the armor.
Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present.
There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recess.
There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie.
There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into.
Shoulder straps are matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.
Back plate is painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering.

OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable):

The hose fittings are angled forward, and approximately the same size as the hoses.

Black fabric or leather loop drop down from the bottom of the back plate through which belts must pass through.

Shoulder Bells

Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other.

The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical.

Shoulders should have a longer flat edge that covers top of bicep with a shorter flat edge that connects to chest armor

Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo.

Shoulders are painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering.

 

Biceps

Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top.

Left bicep is matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering.

Right bicep armor is painted red with three yellow squares on the cover strip, with moderate weathering.

Right Bicep Red color is Toyota Red 3E5 or comparable matching paint color. 

Yellow color is Montana Yellow Cab or comparable matching paint color. 

Each bicep may feature a slanted fishook detail that is inset into the bicep top facing outward.

 

Gloves

Black gloves with black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, and forefinger.
Gloves have a U-shaped Velcro closure around the wrist.
Gloves shall have all logos removed.
Highlander brand Special Ops gloves are best match to reference.

R1 style gloves are also acceptable for approval.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Gloves are Highlander Special Ops gloves #GL033-BK, or an authentic replication.

 

Upper Belt - Leather

The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.

Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.

There are no loops on the belt.

A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.

The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.

The buckle is a standard officer buckle.

Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.

Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.

Two boxes shall be present on either side of buckle. Dimensions are approximately 2" (50.8mm) by 3" (76.2mm) by 1" (24.5mm).

Boxes shall be painted the same color as the chest plate and heavily weathered.

Belt shall be weathered appropriately.

OPTIONAL  Level 2 (if applicable):
The belt features two grooves running the entire length of the belt, approximately 1/8" away from the edges of the belt. 

Lower Belt - Webbing

Belt is black and is made from two nylon web straps sewn together which is approximately 3" (76.2mm) wide.

The belt features six boxes.  

• 1 x standard drop box on the right side of the belt. 
• 2 x small and  2 x medium worn in he center of the belt. 
• 1 x long drop box worn on the left of the belt. 

Boxes shall be painted matte olive green (Pantone 350U or similar) and moderately weathered.

Belt shall be worn loosely across lower abdomen.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Two nylon web straps are sewn together with a zig zag pattern.

Long drop box is hinged.

 

Pants

Black heavy cotton pants with double reinforced thighs.

They do not have visible pockets or other adornment on the legs.

Shall be moderately to heavily weathered.

 

Shins

The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the boots using two rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves.

Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle.

The rubber straps are ribbed, and equal in size, approx. 1.5” (38mm) wide.

Straps extend from each buckle, and the inner side of the greaves.

A “T” shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee. 

The ‘T” shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised.

Two triangular ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the “T” shaped knee plate.

 The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image.

The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot.

Shins are painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350U) with heavy weathering. 

 

Boots

Jackboot or kersey boot style, knee high smooth black leather or leather like material.
Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments.
Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot. This need not be functional.
Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed.
Boots shall be tall enough to fit both shin straps.
Boots shall be heavily weathered.

Boots should form fit to the calf and not be loose.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Boots do not have a zipper.
Boots are made of leather.
Not vinyl or PVC.
Exact replicas of Soviet Officer Boots.

 

Optional Accessories

Ammo Pouch

Yugoslavian M49 - M56 SMG style ammo pouch or replica. Replica must be made from leather or leather-like material.
Pouch is fitted with two straps.       

May be worn on either right or left chest with upper strap placed over the right shoulder and the lower strap across the chest passing under the left arm.

The pouch may also be worn around the waist and sit on the left 

May be worn with upper strap over the right shoulder with the lower strap across the chest then passes under the left arm.
Pouches shall be weathered or otherwise aged.

Oiler pouch is optional and may be worn on the upper strap above the main pouches.

Ammo Pouch/ Bandoleer

Vietnam era 4 pouch 5.56mm ammunition cloth bandoleer. The pouches have been modified to make the pockets larger. 

Pouch is fitted with two straps and worn over left shoulder to right abdomen.

Pouches shall be stuffed to appear full. 

 

Grenades

The grenade is based on the design of a WW1 German stick grenade.

The stick features a number of raised ridges.

 A button pad greeblie is present on the stick.

 The cylinder at the head of the grenade features 10 ribs.

Grenade is attached via a strap looped through or attached to the ammo pouch shoulder buckle. Strap is attached to either side of the grenade’s center greeblie with loops around the shaft of the grenade and closed with snap buttons.

Medic Markings

Replaces the red version of the bicep.

Right bicep armor is painted white with three gold stripes on the cover strip.
There is a red image facing front that matches reference photos.
Biceps shall have moderate weathering.
 

 

Blaster
 

E-10 Blaster

Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.

Tactical flashlight (Surefire scout M300 or replica) mounted on left side of barrel.

 Magazine is extended length. Magazine may be fitted with red lights which illuminate through the grill.

Power cylinder is larger with 2 outer cylinders and 2 smaller central cylinder.

The righthand side of the barrel features a rectangle box with two antenna. The top antenna is longer than the bottom. A rocker switch is present on top of the box. The box may be fitted with red lights which illuminate through the grill.

Scope rail is fitted on a rear blocks whilst the front of the rail is angled to join the top of the barrel. 

Either one or two scope rings can be mounted on the scope rail.

The barrel features a folding foregrip. 

A folding stock is in place.

Webbing sling is attached with snap hook buckles.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Base is based on S&T Airsoft sterling with closed working parts (no spring).

Screws used are M4 x 25mm Allen screw/bolts and sunken Allen screws for power cylinders.

Web sling is fitted with snap hook buckles from a 70s era Yugoslavian Backpack.

E-11B Blaster

Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.

Tactical flashlight (Surefire scout M300A or replica) mounted on left side of barrel.

Magazine is extended length.

Power cylinder is larger with 2 outer cylinders and 1 smaller central cylinder

Scope is a M38 1943 version.

Scope rail can be fitted with rail blocks and a middle rail support block is optional. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Base is based on S&T Airsoft sterling with closed working parts (no spring).

Screws used are M4 x 25mm Allen screw/bolts and sunken Allen screws for power cylinders.

 

E-22 Blaster

Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. It has a extended stock attached at the rear and a extended front housing with second lower barrel.

Tactical flashlight (Surefire scout M300 or replica) mounted on right side of barrel.

Magazine is extended length.

Power cylinder is larger with 2 outer cylinders and 2 smaller central cylinders

Scope is a 1943 version of the M38 scope.

Scope rail is fitted onto rail blocks, one inside the rear sight and the other at the front end of the rail.

There are 3 swivel studs fitted, one on the rear stock and one each side of the front barrel housing.

Sling is 25mm webbing strap that is adjustable using a silver 25mm 3 fixed bar webbing buckle (optional).

Sling is fitted with Talon quick release 25mm swivel or replica (optional).

Red lights fitted on both sides of the rear housing, Hengstler fitted with a red light for the 3 forward tubes and 2 small red lights fitted into the rear barrel housing under the flashlight, the lights are permanent and are non-flashing or pulsed (optional). 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
Base is based on S&T Airsoft sterling with closed working parts (no spring).

Screws used are M4 x 25mm Allen screw/bolts and sunken Allen screws for power cylinders.

Sling is fitted with Talon quick release 25mm swivel.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Proposal thread unlocked for final review. @Scubacat @izzi @Blackwatch and all members input welcome.

[JAFO[501st]]

Below is my feedback on the locked thread draft CRL. I’ve added comments by section to make it easier to review and address.

Once the actual wording is agreed I think we need to create a logical flow of the parts, so SHINS should move up to be with armour, TUNIC should precede pants (working top to bottom), and so on.

One item I feel has been left out of the CRL is the SCARF. I don’t see this as an optional accessory as it is clearly seen on all Mudtroopers and forms part of the kit. I suggest wording along the lines of:

 

SCARF

A military style scarf is worn around the neck.

The colour may be dark olive grey or green and should contrast with the tunic. 

 

OK, with that addition dealt with, here is my overall feedback on the CRL as it stands....

 

HELMET

Line 6

Needs to be split after ‘rear centre of helmet’. The Imperial code disk wording should be on its own line.

 

Line 7

Need to change colour for consistency. Will we state matte olive green everywhere, or just olive green? Personally, I think inclusion of matteis worthwhile. Happy to follow group decision on whether to keep   Pantone reference. 

NEW WORDING FOR TORCH OPTION:

OPTIONAL:

A small tactical torch may be worn below the telemetry unit. 

 

Then add Level 2 Certification after.

  

GOGGLES

Line 4

I am waiting on 100% confirmation of elastic and buckle sizing. For now, do we put something a little more open in terms of range, e.g.

Goggle strap features two sizes of elastic. The thinner elastic attaches directly to each side of the goggles, and is then stitched to a wider elastic that forms the main goggle strap.

 If we take this route we will need to update the sizing in the following text, changing reference to 38mm and 50mm to thinner and wider.

  

RESPIRATOR

Line 11

Need to change colour for consistency. 

 

CHEST PLATE

Line 9

Need to change colour for consistency. 

 

Line 10

This line ‘backplate and tubes’ appears to be an orphan leftover from another description.

 

BACK PLATE

Line 3

Change 2 to two.

Line 5

Need to change colour for consistency. 

 

Line 6

Need to change colour for consistency. 

 

Line 7

Wording needs to be changed. I don’t believe the recess to be black but the same colour as the whole kit.

“Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The cut out shall be match the matte olive green color of the armor.”

 

Line 9

Change 2 to two, and recess to recesses.

 

Line 12

Need to change colour for consistency. 

 

Line 14

Need to change colour for consistency. 

 

CRL is missing description of Black foam extends past the arm openings.

Not sure of the need for the Level 2 Certification for BACKPLATE.

 

SHOULDER BELLS

Line 5

Need to change colour for consistency. 

 

BICEPS

Line 2

Need to change colour for consistency. 

QUESTION…

Do we want to include a Level Two Optional whereby the bicep must feature the fishhook detail? 

PANTS

Line 2

I am aware that the production pants had two hip pockets. Do we need to clarify wording here, e.g.

“There are no visible pockets, or other adornments on the legs.”

“Pants may feature two hip pockets.”

 

SHINS

Line 11

Need to change colour for consistency. 

  

TUNIC

Line 2

Mandarin may be too specific. Do we simply allow “Wide open necked collar” or “Wide v-necked open collar”?

Optional Level 2

QUESTIONS…

Is the material type important here? Do we need it?

We know the cog patches used were PVC, do we include that in the description or just leave as as?

 

BOOTS

Optional Level 2

Bring up line Not vinyl or PVC to follow on from “…made of leather”

 

GLOVES

There is a shot from the movie that shows a Mudtrooper WITHOUT gloves! Surely a continuity error but, in theory, someone could say gloves are not required. Do we specify along the lines of “Gloves may or may not be worn but are a preferred option for approval”. 

 

PARKA

OK with this section

 

UPPER BELT - LEATHER

QUESTION…

It has been identified (on Han at least) that the belt buckle is curved.  Do we want to address this, or treat has Han specific.

 

Likewise, Han’s belt clearly has grooves running lengthwise along the top and bottom of the belt. Do we want to address this, or treat has Han specific.

LOWER BELT - WEBBING

OK with this section

 

OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES:

MEDIC BICEP

OK with this.

 

Add a line here along the lines of…

Mudtroopers may wear any combination of the following at any one time:

 

LEATHER AMMO POUCH

Should add that a small oiler pouch may be present when the ammo pouch is worn on the chest. The oiler sits just above the main pouch on the strap that goes over the shoulder.

BANDOLIER

OK with this.

 GRENADES

Just need a simple explanation here as in “Grenades should look like image supplied”

BLASTERS 

Need descriptions for each of the variants seen…E-10, E-11, E-22

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

its late and my eyes are getting pretty bleary but one thing I did make note of.  On the tactical torch, yanks know it as a flashlight, but everyone I work with has at least one of these on hand.  For sake of consistency on a worldwide platform, a link or photo will help. 

https://www.rayallen.com/511-tactical-atac-l2-tactical-flashlight

 

I need go to back through this again tomorrow when my eyes are fresh. 

[areilly]

17 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

 For sake of consistency on a worldwide platform, a link or photo will help.

They’re used by troopers in the background so we don’t have any real clear shots, but general consensus is its likely the SureFire M300 (or a cheap Chinese clone), same one used since R1 on the blasters as weapon lights.

On a side note, the Solo book labels the weapon light as “Mist-cutting chemical glow rod”

[Scubacat[TX]]

I do agree on having the colors say MATTE olive green. Thought I saw something else but I am not sure. I will have to look at lunch. 

[amcclary[TX]]

On 8/10/2018 at 7:18 PM, Raider said:

Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - 38mm and 50mm.

 

On 8/10/2018 at 7:18 PM, Raider said:

 Serrated slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 38mm elastic is threaded. 

 

Can we make these two specifications for level 2.  A lot of people are only using one size of strap and and buckles of the right size but not serrated.  This doesn't really effect the look and if we are going to make the interior bike/skate helmet level 2 then I would like to see this as level 2 as well.  Its great the Darren was able to find the exact buckles but how easy are these to get from multiple sources.

 

I think we need to be clear on the color throughout. 

On 8/10/2018 at 7:18 PM, Raider said:

matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u)

I think this is the best wording and we should be consistent. 

 

I know Darren commented on the "Mandarin Style collar" but this is an actual term used by seamstresses and is know in that industry.  If you talk to any of these people to have a jacket made, this is the term you need to use so they know what you are talking about.   We might modify this though to be "a high Mandarin Style collar"  so that its not confused with the shorter style used in shirts.  (This was advice from my cloth guy.)
 

[Aircool]

 

My suggestion for improvement.

The shin guards must be bent forwards on top.

[areilly]

2 hours ago, amcclary said:

Can we make these two specifications for level 2.  A lot of people are only using one size of strap and and buckles of the right size but not serrated.  

I was thinking the same.  Some may have a difficult time finding those in the future or might need to substitute for a regular slide buckle without the serrations, which would look pretty close from a regular viewing distance.

 

[JAFO[501st]]

CORRECTION ....

Goggle strap elastic sizes are 25mm and 40mm approx.

Serrated buckles would be 25mm.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

OK Everyone I have looked at the suggestions and made changes. 

Changes to wording or additions as suggestions

Questions to be answered.  including the Scarf which was not discussed (not added to this CRL proposal)

 

SCARF

A military style scarf is worn around the neck.

The colour may be dark olive grey or green and should contrast with the tunic. 

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UPDATED / Altered CRL proposal: 

Helmet

An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt.

A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned just above the rim.

The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath.

The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is in the same color as the helmet.

The telemetry unit may feature a tied length of elastic bungee cord, approx. 4-5mm in diameter, looped around the outer upper section.

A small tactical torch may be worn below the telemetry unit. 

A rubber trim covers the edge of the helmet rim with the join made at the rear center of the helmet.

Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. These may be weathered. Disks DO NOT feature grooves or a notch.

The helmet is to be painted in Matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u)  to match the armor. The helmet paint finish may be textured, and is moderately weathered.

When worn without the respirator, a black chin cup with tan webbing strap must be visible.

Tan webbing should be lightly weathered.

 

OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable):

The helmet has a polystyrene inner liner consistent with that of a skate or bike helmet. 

Torch on right side of helmet is similar to SureFire M300

 

Goggles

Goggles shall have an aged chrome frame with detail painting, and weathering to match reference. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance.

Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam.

Goggles have dark angled lenses featuring two flat panels per lens.

Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - approximately 25mm and 40mm. The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap 

The goggle strap features a number of buckles:

•    There are metallic (gun metal)  buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 25mm elastic is threaded.

•    A large buckle greeblie on the lefthand side through which the 40mm elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a beige square.

•    Two black plastic tri-glides on the right rear through which the 40mm elastic is threaded.

OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable) 

 Serrated 25 mm slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 25mm elastic is threaded.

Respirator

The respirator is large enough to cover the wearers’ lower face, and is wide enough to extend to either side of helmet.

The respirator has a ‘mouth’ which features a curved bottom, short curved vertical sides and arched top.

The mouth is painted matte black.

The mouth features seven vertical cut-outs in the top center. The three center lines shall be equal length and run from the top of the mouth to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down in size incrementally.

Metallic mesh similar to reference photo is visible through the cut-outs.

Two rubber breathing hoses, approx. 30mm outer dimension, connect either side of the vertical cut-outs. The hose extends over each shoulder and connects to the hose connectors located at the top of the back plate.

The respirator features two rounded tusks that extend either side of the mouth.  

The end of each tusk features a filter. The filter consists of a raised center ring and three branches connecting the ring to the outside of the filter. In the center of each filter is a Hex socket cap screw. 

Filters are aged chrome in color, with outside edges slanted inward. 

Metallic mesh similar to reference photo is visible through between the branches of the filter.

The respirator shall be painted olive green and moderately weathered.

Above each tusk is a gun metal colored buckle through which 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing straps are fed. Each strap connects to a metal snap hook. These hooks are used to connect the respirator to the neck strap.

The neck strap consists of a length of 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing with metal D-Rings sewn in to place.

Tan webbing should be lightly weathered.

The respirator can be worn to cover the face, or suspended around the neck of the wearer.

Chest Plate

Chest Armor matches visual references.
Accurate shape/design to front of chest.
There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section.
Buckles attached to upper chest plate.
Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.
To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from top to bottom with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval.
Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor.
On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards.
Chest and straps shall be painted Matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u) and be moderately weathered.
back plate and tubes.  ???????????

Back Plate

Back Plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate.
Chest and back plate meet at the sides.

2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cutout/greeblie.
Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside.
The walls and floor the recesses shall be Matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u)
Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside to match Rogue One backplates.
Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The floor of the cut out shall be black and the walls inside match the Matt Olive Green color of the armor.
Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present.
There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recess.
There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie.
There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into.
Shoulder straps are Matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u)  with moderate weathering and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.

Black fabric or leather loop drop down from the bottom of the back plate through which belts must pass through.
Back plate is Matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u)  with moderate weathering.

OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable):

The hose fittings are angled forward, and approximately the same size as the hoses.

Shoulder Bells

Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other.

The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical.

Shoulders should have a longer flat edge that covers top of bicep with a shorter flat edge that connects to chest armor

Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo.

Shoulders are painted  Matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u)  with moderate weathering.

Biceps

Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with a added strip layer on top.

Left bicep is matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering.

Right bicep armor is painted red with three yellow squares on the cover strip, with moderate weathering.

Biceps shall have moderate weathering.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Right Bicep Red color is Toyota Red 3E5.

Yellow color is Montana Gold Shock Yellow.

Pants

• Black heavy cotton pants with double reinforced thighs.
• They do not have pockets or other adornment on the legs.
• Shall be moderately to heavily weathered.

Shins

The shin plate is affixed to both boots.

The shin plates bend forward at the top
A harness style buckle greeblie attached to the outside edge of upper and lower shin plate.
Straps extend from each buckle, and the inner side of the shin plate.
Straps shall be the same size.
Shins and straps are painted olive grey with heavy weathering.

Tunic/Jacket

• A long-sleeved, Olive Grey, jacket that falls between upper and mid thigh.
• Has a high mandarin style collar with an open front.
• Has two panels on either side of the front, hidden zipper, extending to the bottom of the jacket with a width of approximately 6" in width.
• Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm.
• If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket, with no covering flaps present.
• No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor.
• May have code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
• Shall be moderately to heavily weathered.

Optional Level 2 (if applicable):

• Jacket is made of an Olive Grey 12-14 oz Bull denim Twill material.
• There is an imperial cog patch sewn on each shoulder.
• There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.

Boots:

Jackboot style, knee high smooth  black leather or leather like material.
Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments.
Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot. This need not be functional.
Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed.
Boots shall be tall enough to fit both shin straps.
Boots shall be heavily weathered.

Smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Style is same as Soviet Officer boots.

Boots should form fit to the calf and not be loose.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Boots do not have a zipper.
Boots are made of leather.    Not vinyl or PVC.
Exact replicas of Soviet Officer Boots.

Gloves:

Black gloves with black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, and forefinger.
The black oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand.
Gloves have a U shaped velcro closure around the wrist.
Gloves shall have all logos removed.
Highlander brand special ops gloves are best match to reference.

R1 style gloves are also acceptable for approval.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Gloves are Highlander Special Ops gloves #GL033-BK, or an authentic replication thereof.

Parka:

• Russian Plash Palatka Style.
• Parka is Dyed or Painted black.
• Metal grommets shall be painted or covered with leather to mimic leather grommets.
• Tied or otherwise attached under the chest armor and worn to cover the back plate.
• Parka shall be heavily weathered.

OPTIONAL: Level 2 certification (if applicable)

• Ring Grommets shall be leather to match reference photos.

Upper Belt - Leather:

The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.

Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.

There are no loops on the belt.

A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.

The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.

The buckle is a standard officer buckle.

Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.

Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.

Two boxes shall be present on either side of buckle. Dimensions are approximately 2" (50.8mm) by 3" (76.2mm) by 1" (24.5mm).

Boxes shall be painted the same color as the chest plate and heavily weathered.

Belt shall be weathered appropriately.

 

Lower Belt - Webbing:

Belt is black and is made from two nylon web straps sewn together with a zig-zag pattern which is approximately 3" (76.2mm) wide.

The belt features five boxes.  1 x standard drop box, 2 x small, 2 x medium, 1 x long drop box.

Boxes shall be painted the same colour as the chest plate and moderately weathered.

Belt shall be worn loose across lower abdomen.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Long drop box is hinged

 

Optional Accessories

Ammo Pouch

Yugoslavian M49 - M56 SMG style ammo pouch or replica. Replica must be made from leather or leather-like material.
Pouch is fitted with two straps.
Left strap is snapped to the underside of the abdomen.
Right strap lays across chest plate. Snaps to the upper right side of the abdomen.
Pouches shall be weathered or otherwise aged.

Ammo Pouch

USMC Vietnam era 4 pouch 5.56mm cloth bandoleer style.
Pouch is fitted with two straps and worn over left shoulder to right abdomen

Medic Markings

Right bicep armor is painted white with three red stripes on the cover strip.
There is a red image facing front that matches reference photos
Biceps shall have moderate weathering.
Replaces the red version of the bicep.

[JAFO[501st]]

Regarding this statement...

•    There are black buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 25mm elastic is threaded.

The buckles are metallic (gun metal) rather than black.

I would still like to see some clarification around the pants and pockets. As it reads now is says no pockets are acceptable. I think hip pockets should be acceptable but we should be clear that there are no visible pockets or adornments.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Im working in the Army trooper now after rewriting big sections of the Sapper, Ill fix the green section. 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Gathering my thoughts...looks like we need to come to a consensus on the following:

Armor color (I'm good w/ how we have it currently written)

Serrated buckle as basic approval item

Shin bend

Tunic collar language

Scarf addition

Pants/pockets

An additional item I wanted to bring up that was in the original proposal but got lost in editing is the color wording of the hoses...initially written up as black.

Thank you for all of the input so far and @Blackwatch for doing the initial edit.  The yellow text on the chest plate I believe is just a delete, but let's look back at the sections we wrote in the previous thread to make sure.

Once we can discuss and decide on all those items above, I believe we just need to reorganize the pieces to have a better "order" to them.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

7 hours ago, Raider said:

Gathering my thoughts...looks like we need to come to a consensus on the following:

Armor color (I'm good w/ how we have it currently written)

Serrated buckle as basic approval item

Shin bend

Tunic collar language

Scarf addition

Pants/pockets

An additional item I wanted to bring up that was in the original proposal but got lost in editing is the color wording of the hoses...initially written up as black.

 

I think that the highlighted yellow is just a carryover from an initial cut/copy/paste edit  it happens, especially with this much text.

This will kind of get us into rehashing the discussion earlier that got us to this point, but this is not an easy CRL to write.

SO, we need to finalize these: 

Serrated buckle as basic approval item

To me the serrated buckle looks like what my dad had in snakebite kits in the late 70s.  I think I have only seen those on tourniquets and bite kits. JAFOs post on page 10 says regular troopers had the serrated buckle right behind the goggle. Other closeups show what looks like a triglide.  If the serrated buckle is seen on STANDARD troopers, and the triglides are only on the hero helmets, well that presents a conundrum of availability for L1 approval. 

Shin bend

On page 6 of the original proposal there is a photo of the shin from the side , where you can see that only the top of the shin projects out sligtly, like a regular TK or Scarif shore trooper. 

Tunic collar language

we need to clear this up.  Thoughts ?   

Scarf addition

This was not discussed in the original CRL proposal, but Darren pointed it out during the final proposal review (dark olive grey green  or green military scarf, constrasting with the tunic) .

JAFO wrote on page 4 

SCARF

Mudtroopers are seen to be wearing scarves and at least two types have been sighted so far.  Based on onscreen reference, with the addition of personal behind-the-scenes images of a screen used scarf, the most seen scarf appears to be dark grey in colour. They have an open weave similar in look to hessian/burlap, however, the production source states they were very soft to wear. They were approx.. 52in in length.

 

I propose the following be added to the CRL proposal:

SCARF

A dark olive grey  or dark green military style scarf, with an open weave, approximately 52" long is worn around the neck. The color of the scarf should contrast with the tunic. 

Pants/pockets

      Areilly said  on page 3: 

       Pants:
      Custom design (Crossman)
      Used braces/suspenders (Unnamed source, not verified elsewhere)

     Jafo added the red text to Izzi's original proposal.  I looked at the knees, they are definitely reinforced. 

• pants are Black BDU/Work pants with double reinforced thighs.     Black cotton pants with double reinforced thighs would be a true description.
• They do not have pockets or other adornment on the legs.
• Shall be moderately to heavily weathered.

[JAFO[501st]]

The goggle buckles consist of serrated triangular buckle where the elastic joins the goggles.

The two black plastic tri-glides are positioned on the right hand side/rear of the goggle strap.

The thighs are reinforced, not the knees.




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[JAFO[501st]]

Metallic serrated buckle seen here...




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[JAFO[501st]]

This image shows the top and bottom of reinforced section. It starts above the knee and runs to top of the thigh.




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[Scubacat[TX]]

Would it make more sense to mark the scarf as an optional accessory? There are some scenes of troopers not wearing them.

For the helmet clip stick up, would it be another option on which version to go with do that level one is easier for troopers to achieve. If they can’t find that specific metal buckle, possibly move it as a level two.

On most everything, I feel as if we are nearly there. Good job everyone! Keep up the great work!


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[JAFO[501st]]

Would it make more sense to mark the scarf as an optional accessory? There are some scenes of troopers not wearing them.

If we apply this rationale to the scarf then same can be said of the gloves. I know only one scene where a scarf appears missing. Same goes for gloves.

Personally, I would vote for scarf inclusion.


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[JAFO[501st]]

I don’t think it’s worth holding up the CRL over discussion around the buckles but I do feel a metallic buckle should be the description of the one at the point where the goggles and elastic join. The accurate serrated version (seem again below) could be a Lvl2 item.



The RHS elastic buckles are black
Plastic tri-glides - accurate and very easy to come by - so should form basic requirement.






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[RAIDER[COTG]]

Armor color seems set.

Scarf.  Personally, I say include it if that's the majority of looks.

Collar.  "High mandarin collar" does seem best after looking up the terms.

Reinforced pants look good to include.

Clear to specify the color of the hoses as "black?"

 

That only really leaves the following in my mind:

Serrated buckle.  @areilly @amcclary Just to clarify for me, is the main concern that these accurate buckles are currently difficult to find and/or will be potentially more difficult to find in the future?  If so (or if they are coming from one supplier), I think we should consider it as Level 2 as well though I, to my core, prefer the accurate buckles.

 

Shins.  I cross-checked the Shoretrooper CRL for wording (yes, I know they are not exactly the same as the Mud)...here is the SHORETROOPER text:

Shins
Cover Strips are raised as beveled with a added layer strip on top.
Greaves close in the back.
The trapezoid shin plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the left greave.
The “T” shin plate is affixed to the right greave.
A harness style buckle greeblie attached to the outside edge of the upper shin plate.
A ski boot style buckle greeblie is attached to the outside edge of the lower shin plate.
Straps extend from each buckle, and the inner side of the shin plate.
The straps may have a gap in the back of the shin or extend around the shin in one piece.
Shins are tan with moderate weathering.

The yellow text is what we can look at (the non-yellow doesn't apply) in comparison to what we have written.  Possible that some continuity would be beneficial?  Here I do not see the shin bend listed in the Shore CRL either...looking at our references to the Shore CRL model, I'm trying to determine if that's unique to the Mud.  Thoughts?

[areilly]

3 hours ago, Raider said:

Serrated buckle.  @areilly @amcclary Just to clarify for me, is the main concern that these accurate buckles are currently difficult to find and/or will be potentially more difficult to find in the future?  If so (or if they are coming from one supplier), I think we should consider it as Level 2 as well though I, to my core, prefer the accurate buckles.

Yes, its the the long-term availability since it's not a common type. I plan on using all screen accurate buckles/hardware as well, but maybe a plain metallic buckle could be reasonable for level 1since those are fairly common, and in a pinch you can make one yourself out of some metal wire/rod. Overall seems like a small enough detail that it would be ok as a level 2 item.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

1 hour ago, areilly said:

Yes, its the the long-term availability since it's not a common type. I plan on using all screen accurate buckles/hardware as well, but maybe a plain metallic buckle could be reasonable for level 1since those are fairly common, and in a pinch you can make one yourself out of some metal wire/rod. Overall seems like a small enough detail that it would be ok as a level 2 item.

Noted.  Thank you.  Are there any objections to this?

If not, we can draft it as our original proposal that we send to the LMOs.  They may accept it...they may not (at which point we would revert back to the serrated I assume).

[JAFO[501st]]

Noted.  Thank you.  Are there any objections to this?

Serrated buckle can easily be Lvl2 but let’s have ‘metallic buckle’ as Lvl1.

Is it possible to see a final adapted CRL that will be submitted to see everything in context and ensure it’s as everyone wants it.

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