Purge Trooper (Phase II) - Kenobi - Discussion

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Thanks guys!

I posted a review for the pauldron here to simplify it based on the great work you guys did: 

 

 

[smoszer]

Can you touch base with Tipperary (Daniel) and verify what we've already approved with him or do we need to revisit everything? For the most part we had all of the soft parts reviewed and approved, including the helmet and we were just starring on the armor itself. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

3 minutes ago, smoszer said:

Can you touch base with Tipperary (Daniel) and verify what we've already approved with him or do we need to revisit everything? For the most part we had all of the soft parts reviewed and approved, including the helmet and we were just starring on the armor itself. 

@tipperaryred did go through it and look at it but @Dropkick and I have to make sure that it falls in line with the current CRLs and how the LMOs will process it. "Approved" text can still be altered and is not the end all, especially during our review and the LMO review. However, it is possible that the other parts that had "finalized" text could be good, I just haven't gotten to it yet.

This should go pretty quickly with the text that I'm looking at. The text that will be input into the CRL prior to the LMO can be found on the first page of this thread. Right now that is the: Helmet, Neck Seal, Under Suit, and hopefully Pauldron.

[smoszer]

Sounds good. We'll wait to hear back from you on how you need us to support. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

No worries, friend! Does that modification of the pauldron that I did make sense? Didn't want to get too crazy on the description of it.

[smoszer]

I'm good with the paldron outline.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Nice and quick! Going to take a quick glance at the Shoulder Armor that you all did.

• I removed the text for the shoulder being connected to the bicep, was there a reason for that that I missed?
• The rest of it looked pretty good! I cleaned up a few pieces of text in both L1 and L2.

Here is the updated text:

Shoulder Armor

• The shoulder bells are considered effectively symmetrical; they may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders.
• The armor is painted gloss black.
• The top center is recessed between the two ridges and runs from the top of the shoulder to the bicep and notches into the lower rectangular area.
• A raised ridge runs along the bottom along the center recessed area and onto each of the two ridges
• There is a black 1 inch (25.4mm) strap that attaches shoulder armor to shoulder straps from chest and back armor.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Shoulder bells are padded to give the armor the appearance of being elevated off of the bicep armor.

[smoszer]

I'll let Brent respond for the text that you are removing. It was his addition to the requirements. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

15 minutes ago, smoszer said:

I'll let Brent respond for the text that you are removing. It was his addition to the requirements. 

Got it, I tried looking back to see and couldn't find it. Doesn't mean it wasn't there though with my eyes

I'll probably need to re-watch the scenes with these costumes again to be safe. I'm wondering if that bullet was added so that the armor moves in unison, like derived from that actual scenes playing out. If it was something that was a behind the scenes feature then I'd say we move that to L2.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

2 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

Got it, I tried looking back to see and couldn't find it. Doesn't mean it wasn't there though with my eyes

I'll probably need to re-watch the scenes with these costumes again to be safe. I'm wondering if that bullet was added so that the armor moves in unison, like derived from that actual scenes playing out. If it was something that was a behind the scenes feature then I'd say we move that to L2.

I was following a build from a member who was an actual clone on the film and built his kit exactly how the orginal was rigged. I'm happy to leave it out. I only mentioned it as an extra detail people could have if they wanted.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Only suggestion I have on the pauldron is mentioning the under strap attaching to the underside of pauldron with the snap. 

 

 

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Sorry for the absence from this thread, December ended up being a lot more hectic than expected. I'll be clearing some time either tonight or taking a couple of hours in between jobs on Wednesday to help Ryan bring this current. I appreciate the frustration at the slow pace in recent months, and we'll do our best to get this over the line ASAP. We all want to see this amazing kit out there. And please don't think all the hard work by you guys has gone unnoticed.

My last full review was back in November, when I made some tweaks and finalised everything that had been completed to that point. All the finalised text was uploaded to the separate CRL text thread that Mark created at the beginning. Ryan and Shane may need to make some extra tweaks as above, but by and large the hard work is done on those pieces. I'll pick up where I left off there and jump in to help where needed.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

8 hours ago, dewannawanga said:

I was following a build from a member who was an actual clone on the film and built his kit exactly how the orginal was rigged. I'm happy to leave it out. I only mentioned it as an extra detail people could have if they wanted.

Got ya, yeah we can make that a L2 detail if anything in that case. I appreciate the clarification.

8 hours ago, dewannawanga said:

Only suggestion I have on the pauldron is mentioning the under strap attaching to the underside of pauldron with the snap. 

 

 

 

I was wondering if that was the text part that I was not completely understanding, so that makes sense and I have added it to page 1.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Here is the updated text. I think this should accurately represent the reference images:

Shoulder Armor

• The shoulder bells are considered effectively symmetrical; they may be worn interchangeably on the left and right shoulders.
• The armor is painted gloss black.
• The top center is recessed between the two ridges and runs from the top of the shoulder to the bicep and notches into the lower rectangular area.
• A raised ridge runs along the bottom along the center recessed area and onto each of the two ridges
• There is a black 1 inch (25.4mm) strap that attaches shoulder armor to shoulder straps from chest and back armor.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Shoulder bells are padded to give the armor the appearance of being elevated off of the bicep armor.
• There is a webbed strap that runs down and connects bicep armor to shoulder armor.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Looks good to me!

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Thanks! The Upper Arm Armor looked pretty good! Just a few tweaks on it.

Upper Arm Armor

• Right upper arm armor is painted gloss black that matches the rest of armor.
• Left upper arm armor is painted gloss red.
• Upper arm armor must sit underneath the shoulder armor.
• There is a dimple on the lower area of the back of the arm.
• The outside of the bicep has a hard line edge at the front that turns in.
• The inside of the upper arm is rounded.
• There is a small vertical seam line on the inside and on the outside rear of the armor.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

@smoszer and @dewannawanga I've seen a few other display Purge Troopers pictures (from Japan?) that were being linked. If I provide you guys with a Google Drive folder to upload them to via a PM, would you guys be able to do that? I can then get them added to the locked reference images thread.

[smoszer]

@IcyTrooper I could supply the hot toys display images that were taken in Japan. There was also a video that did a pan from helmet to boots of the front as well. We don't have much in the way of images for the back. I have some marketing pictures for the hot toys scale model. I've also watched the Kanobi scenes a ton, but the lighting is low and the back is really only shown in the hanger scene during the escape. There are some side shots in clips on their way down to the aqua tunnel that are helpful,  but they are not very tight shots. 

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[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

1 hour ago, smoszer said:

@IcyTrooper I could supply the hot toys display images that were taken in Japan. There was also a video that did a pan from helmet to boots of the front as well. We don't have much in the way of images for the back. I have some marketing pictures for the hot toys scale model. I've also watched the Kanobi scenes a ton, but the lighting is low and the back is really only shown in the hanger scene during the escape. There are some side shots in clips on their way down to the aqua tunnel that are helpful,  but they are not very tight shots. 

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Yeah the lighting within the show definitely doesn't help us with the finer details it seems. The Hot Toys display image may be a good backup source in conjunction with the toy itself. I'll PM both of you and include the team so that we can get those images sent over.

[smoszer]

I'm in Central time zone so I can gather that up over lunch in about 3 hours. The live display and the toy since tried to gather any source I could when I was building my kit.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

21 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

Thanks! The Upper Arm Armor looked pretty good! Just a few tweaks on it.

Upper Arm Armor

• Right upper arm armor is painted gloss black that matches the rest of armor.
• Left upper arm armor is painted gloss red.
• Upper arm armor must sit underneath the shoulder armor.
• There is a dimple on the lower area of the back of the arm.
• The outside of the bicep has a hard line edge at the front that turns in.
• The inside of the upper arm is rounded.
• There is a small vertical seam line on the inside and on the outside rear of the armor.

Looks good!

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

The Elbow Armor looked pretty good too! I made some stuff align to the P2 realistic clone as the elbow strap appears in the references to be the same. Here it is below:

Elbow Armor

• Painted gloss black.
• Armor has two parallel dashed detail slots on each outside edge of the elbow at the strap connection.
• Each elbow armor piece has a black rubber or rubber-like strap that is attached to the inner end of the armor and wraps around where the wearer's elbow bends.
  • Each strap has a raised detail line at the top and bottom of the strap.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The inside of the armor is padded to slightly elevate the armor off of the elbow of the wearer.

[smoszer]

Looks great to me.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Looks good!

[Spacejermz]

On 12/24/2023 at 6:58 PM, smoszer said:

I went through and wrote the rest of the armor descriptions and took photos and outlined them in PhotoShop. I'll post each piece separately with the photo for feedback. 

 

All white text has been read and approved. All red text is still in review and will need final alignment and approval.

Approved: 

Helmet

• Gloss black in color, consistent with the rest of the costume.
• Lens must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. The eye lens is one continuous piece with a mirrored red tint.
• The central vocoder (chin detail) may be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate or it may be molded as a part of the mouth plate, but with a prominent recessed outline to create the appearance of being separate.
  • The top part of the vocoder is rectangular in shape, with two clipped dog ears on the top corners.
    • A smaller plate of identical shape sits on the top of this panel, leaving a narrow margin around each edge. There is also an angular cut out at the top of the right edge of this plate.
    • A second rectangular plate sits on the top of the first, covering approximately 40% of bottom of the lower plate.
    • There is a raised horizontal line on the lower left side of this top plate.
    • There is a small square recess underneath this raised horizontal line.
  • The main body of the vocoder sits below the panel described above.
    • 9 raised ridges run vertically across the vocoder.
    • Angled wings at the top of either side of the vocoder ridges, each slightly under approximately 50% of the length of these ridges. These wings angle down to the rest on top of the main mouth plate.

• Square profile side tusks run back from the lower edges of this front plate.
  • Recessed rectangular metallic silver screens are inset into the greeblie in the front of each side tusk. Each greeblie has a raised ridge on 3 sides, angling up from the bottom side of the greeblie.
  • 6 pill shaped symmetrical recessed stripes on each tusk, with the bottom of the recesses filled with red to match the pauldron, belt accessories and left bicep armor.
• A small raised horizontal rectangle with a recessed line is located below the vocoder.
• The frown must have 10 raised teeth, with angled recesses painted silver.
• There is a silver rectangular plate on the nose, between the teeth and the front plate, with a silver half moon greeble on top. This plate is recessed below the angled face plates on either side. The half moon greeble is level with the adjacent face plates.
• There is symmetrical recesses with a pill shaped greeblie on each side between the side tubes and the cheeks.
  • The top of the greeblie are split in half with the top half being flat and the bottom half having 4 raised ridges that are level with the flat half.
• There are sharp angular cheekbones sculpted into helmet face plate running in a triangular shape below the lens opening.
• There are 3 raised ridges run from the center of the brow, over the top of the helmet and down to the rear center of the helmet skirt. The central ridge is approximately 2.5 times wider than the ridges to either side of it.
• A winged greeblie sits below the center of the brow ridge and above the eye lens.
• The top of the helmet is separated from the face plate by a horizontal band running above the brow. A groove separates the top of the helmet and the rear skirt, running across the back of the helmet, meeting the brow band on either side. The side greebles (communicators/range finders) are attached on top of the joints between the band and the ridge on either side of the helmet.
• Symmetrical rectangular greebles (communicators/range finders) with semi-circular ridges underneath, present at the back of each side of the brow band, situated on top of the point where the front band meets the rear groove.
  • The greeblie contains two raised and stacked squares, each with a circular LED or sculpted imitation located near the front, and a single recessed line in the shape of a square outlining the back two thirds of the greeble.
  • OPTIONAL - The top and bottom may be lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.
• There are 2 small pill shaped double indentation in the bottom corners of the faceplate, under each ear. The rear indentation is vertical and slightly longer than the front indentation that angles toward the front of the helmet. 

OPTIONAL: Level two certification

• The central vocoder (chin detail) shall be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate.
• The aforementioned greeblie on the back of each side of the brow band must have the top and bottom lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.

 

Under Suit

• Base undersuit is made from a black, non-textured material, either one or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs.
• Any zippers must not be visible when the full costume is worn.
• Ribbing material must be present anywhere the undersuit is visible when armor is worn on top.
• All ribbing must be horizontal.
• Each rib and groove can be no wider than 3mm or 1/8 inch (one rib and one groove equal 6 mm or 1/4 inch).

 

OPTIONAL: Level two certification

• The undersuit is one piece construction .
• A zipper runs along the entire front and encloses the front of the undersuit.  This should not be visible when the full costume is worn.
• Non-visible areas of undersuit (eg. forearms, center of thighs, waist and calves) do not have ribbed material present.

Neck Seal

• Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck.
• A bib may extend from the bottom of the neck seal to ensure that the entire neck opening of the chest and back armor is covered.  The bib should be made from the same ribbing material as used on the undersuit.

 

Kama

• The exterior is a black leather or leather like material.
• The exterior is divided into four large panels.
• Three small pleated panels of equal height (roughly 40mm per panel) are stacked vertically at the bottom of each panel.
• There is a slit separating the back center of the Kama that runs from the bottom and stops 1/3 of the way from the top.
• Red cording runs along the front edge on both sides and matches the red used on the armor.
• The inner lining fabric has a pattern representing black cogs on a red background (vinyl material acceptable).
• Inner lining is divided into four large panels that run top to bottom.
• Black repeating cog pattern covers entire interior. Each row is offset from the row above and below. (each roughly 12-15 mm diameter).

OPTIONAL: Level two certification

• The red on the inner liner fabric is raised, giving the appearance of an embossed pattern.

 

Boots

• Boots are above ankle height, similar in style to FOTK boots.
• Flat black soles, without a heel.
• Boots are made from black leather or a leather like material.
• Boots have a full height inner zipper.
• Zipper must be black in color.

OPTIONAL: Level two certification

• The wearer's inner side of the boots have zippers and no side elastic.

 

Blaster: E-11D

Description: Purge Trooper Phase II

Prefix: TX

Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment

Context: Star Wars: Kenobi (TV Series)

 

Special Notes:

• The armor parts shall be satin and made from one of these (or similar) types of materials:
  • Fiberglass
  • ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene)
  • HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene)
  • PLA, ABS, PETG (3D Printing)
  • Polyurethane Rubber
• Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy
• 3D Printed parts are permitted but all print lines and other artifacts must be removed.

The helmet frown looks more like a matte dark grey rather than silver in my opinion.  If you look at the FBFX photo there isn't any reflection coming off, specifically on the right side where the gloss black is more apparent.