Death Trooper CRL - First draft

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

All, for perspective, the crl was updated to accommodate early development and help out troopers working on a very expensive costume. Understand, the 501st is the premier costuming group out there for a reason. We pay attention to details. In this case the hot toys figure did not match the screen used costume. Some armorer's built off the hot toys figure before costume models at cons and solid movie screen were available. That resulted in Inaccuracies in the early costumes. Keep in mind, if every armorer developed the costume to screen with 16 notches, no one would complain that 16 was a requirement because all armorer's would have done 16 from the start. That's why we ended up with 15, Also, consider, armorer's didn't pick a number from the dark. They built to the most readily available source at the time and that had 15. As we all know, action figures and statues are often grossly inaccurate. They may supplement, but they rarely stand alone as their own costume source.

 

The 501st is about acceptance of all comers, yes, but it's also a group of premier costumers. That means notches can matter, ribs can matter, and screw types can matter. It's an expensive hobby and not for the faint of heart, but in the end we get the pleasure of serving others with a level of uniformity not found in any other group. We made a change here because it seemed like the right thing to do, but it's not because we are trying to avoid legimate cases where someone didn't build to spec and just wanted a pass. I don't think anyone working or having finished this costume is in that boat, but it is still the reality of being a member of a very exclusive group. We all should be proud of the work we've done on our costumes and even more so the public work we've been able to do in those awesome costumes. Cheers.

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

I think that is a very reasonable outcome. Are there going to be L1, L2 and L3 distinctions or all basic?

[Griffin-X[501st]]

Thanks very much Steve.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Well said. I think things occur for a reason. It was noted screen accuracy is 16, many in the community only have 15. So what happens? The community cames together to do two things. 1st make allowances to ensure acceptance for those with 15. 2nd gracious members came up with an inexpensive solution to bring those with 15 to "screen accuracy" Cudos to those who came up with a solution. The SpecOps Ohana thanks you!

[DeathMOS30[501st]]

Question:

Imperial Death Trooper Specialist is just another variant and has no relation to the specialist program correct?

Also are we going to have any criteria for the specialist program for the death troopers?

Thanks

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

Yes and yes

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

So I was bored at work today, and in typical Chaos fashion I dug into some detailed photos and have a question. The CRL states Death Trooper Specialist Chest Rig

 

For 501st Approval:

• Wraps around the front of the wearer covering the abdominal plate but not the belt or chest plate.
  
• Has a webbing strap that secures around the waist.
  

 

The reference photo shows the wrap around strap, other than the Condor chest rig having this feature what reference was used? I have looked again and again at the DT holding the TK doll and think that the lower rectangular ring is connected to another rectangular ring attached to the side of the lower back plate and both are connected with a elastic strap which has a Velcro closure. I can't seem to insert photos here so I uploaded it my Imgur. I have circled what I am talking about. Anyone else think this is the case or am I just seeing things due to way too much coffee this morning?

http://imgur.com/a/8xLq0

 

I am building Jim's kit and plan on putting a snap for a piece of webbing with a rectangular ring for when I use the chest rig and using a set up just like my reference photo and don't want to be dinged for not having a wrap around strap.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Well .... never mind my question. On page three of the Optional/Variants thread I found Pat's post with a picture of the wrap around strap. Move along! LOL

[ryuko275@gmail.com]

Where do you get this stuff.

 

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[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

From the CRL and the threads.

[ShortCut[501st]]

If I want to apply for tier 2 but my shoe size (5 1/2 W US) makes it impossible for me to be able to get the specific Doc Martens boots for the tier, does that mean I cannot apply for tier 2?

[ShortCut[501st]]

Actually that size falls under kids.

[lancer[TX]]

There is no tier 2 in the CRL as of now. Only basic approval and specialist variant.

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

There will be soon

 

As for the shoes, in the end, they need to match. You don't see the brand in the movie, so if the shoe matches exactly, including the sole ribs, which is the current biggest distinction, then you would be good to go.

[Griffin-X[501st]]

Thanks DE!

[ShortCut[501st]]

Thanks for the clarification guys, much appreciated. Have any idea where I can find boots like those?

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

Imperial Boots "Killer"

Dr Martens Talib or Mayer

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Sara, as Mark mentioned you could email Imperial Boots and see if they can make your size http://www.imperialboots.com/product/killer-boots/

 

Also your question here was also answered in your other post http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/topic/4939-shorttrooper05s-ro-deathtrooper-wip/

 

Zappos has a Talib women's 5 and 7. You could wear thick socks and sole inserts and the 7 might work.

[ShortCut[501st]]

I already talked to Imperial Boots and they reiterated that the sizes run from 7 W US. I could try Zappo's 5 but 7 is way too big for a comfortable walk without tripping on them. Thanks for the links.

 

Thanks for the answers people. I am grateful for your help and counsel.

[nanotek[CMD-DWM]]

There has been some discussion about the DT CRL again on Facebook about it not being clear about the alternate colouring. This thread has it detailed but the published one has "The recesses and asymmetric panels may be metallic black"

 

It might be worth mentioning it as one statement?

 

"Armour is gloss black with recesses and alternating panels in metallic black"

 

Maybe we need to map out the actual panels so that it's clear and consistent?

 

I also noticed that the leather pouch on the belt doesn't specify that there is no visible stitching. Should say something like:

 

"There is a leather or leather-style pouch (approximate dimensions 120mm x 60mm x 25mm) with no visible stitching and a single press stud located between front pouch and the belt box on the wearer's left."

 

 

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

We could map them out - that would be awesome - but it would live hear on the forums. If someone wants to put that tutorial together with photos and descriptive text, I would happily pin it in the DT section. I can see the benefit, but the crl isn't a great place for that level of descriptive detail.

 

We can add text for no visible stitching on the pouches. I see it very similar to TK boots in that respect.

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

CRL updated concerning stitching. LMO will approve and get it published.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

I would think that the "metallic black" asymmetric coloring would be a Level 2 detail as the screen armor was painted that way to provide "theatrical/lighting definition" for the details in the armor, just like Vader's face piece. If that is the case then "yes" there should be a schematic posted. I have seen some people painting their "asymmetric panels" on their helmets and body pieces Matte Black. There is no mention in the CRL of Matte Black, only of Matte Silver in the groves of the body and limb pieces.

[Darth Emphatic[CMD-DWM]]

It definitely falls into level 2, but for now it's included as a 'may' option so people know they can do it.

[Chaos[CMD-DCA]]

Steve you know how people are. There is a "discussion going on over on one of the FB pages about the scheme. Wish they would understand that this CRL is still in it's infant stage and was made for "basic approval" so we could get out there and "do good things in the name of the Empire!" Level 2 and "screen accurate" details will trickle out in due time. Patience is a virtue.