New CRL Proposal: Imperial Army Officer (Various Sources)

[izzi[TX]]

Reference Images: (Fantasy Flight Games, New Essential Guide to Characters, Imperial Handbook)

 

 

Required Costume Components

The following costume components are present and appear as described below.

 

 

Helmet

• Open face helmet consisting of a dome (with rim) and helmet skirt.
• Helmet is based on the shell of the Snowtrooper/Snow Cmdr. and the AT-ST Driver.
• The helmet is painted a Gray color.
• A "Rangefinder" is attached to the helmet dome. This is centered to the right side of the dome and aligned to the rim.
  • The rangefinder consists of :
  • Rectangular box about h/l/d 1.85" (47mm), 1.65" (42mm), 0.4" (10.16mm) with a slight bevel and details on. The box is the same color as the helmet.
  • 1 screw cap or cylindrical knob approx. 0.4" (10.16mm) in diameter in the upper left corner.
  • 2 cylindrical pins lined up in the lower left corner of the box.
  • 1 cylindrical pin in the upper right corner of the box.
  • 1 Rangefinder main detail (originally created from a Revell V8 carburetor, but not to be confused with the "Han Solo blaster" piece), aligned at the lower right corner of the box.
  • Ring shaped antenna on top of the box with about 1.5" (38.1mm) in diameter and 0.35" (9mm) depth being cut at the top.
• There are 5 flat rectangular clips, positioned equally around the helmet where the dome meets the skirt. (1 in the center, 2 on each side).
• Imperial Code Disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt.
• There are 6 screw cover greeblies positioned equally around the bottom of the helmet skirt (3 on each side).
• A black trim is covering the edge of the helmet skirt and forehead of the dome.
• Black chin strap (without a chin cup).
• Silver/metallic cylindrical 'Spine shaped Greeblie' bar in the rear center of the helmet skirt.
• The bar is divided into 11 segments with the thicker 6 segments ideally fitting into the 6 depressions of the rear helmet skirt.
• Com-link microphone attached to the RH inner side of the helmet, in a curved shape, with a small conical end, painted in black.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Com-link Microphone is not attached directly to the helmet. It is a separately worn Headset. See : "Optional Accessories" below.

Goggles

• Black trimmed military style goggles, with a Light Gray, Tan or Black strap.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Goggles are angular, and not rounded in shape.
• Strap is black, and approx 1.5 CM width, with a small buckle on both sides.

Tan Imperial Army Jumpsuit

• One piece tan coverall / jumpsuit / flightsuit with a hidden front zipper and standing collar.
• The standing collar has square corners.
• Collar closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure.
• Chest pockets may be present if completely hidden by armor.
• 2 large cargo pockets sit on the outside of the legs from around mid-thigh and not extending past top of the knee, with a rectangular or chevron flap covering the top.
• Sleeves are bare without pockets or patches
• No pockets on, or below the knees.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Jumpsuit chest has a panel that extends from the left siside seam to 3" past the center point of the coverall front. 
• The panel closes with a loop and button closure at the bottom about 2" above the waist.

Gauntlet Gloves

• Black, leather or leather-like, enclosed fingered, non-textured fitted gauntlet style.
• No buckles, straps, or decorative stitching.
• Three straight lines, on the back of the hand, are an option

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Back of hand is smooth without any decorative stitching whatsoever.

Chest Armor

Note : All references of Right & Left are from the wearers point-of-view.

• Chest Armor is painted to match the Helmet.
• There are (2) red square greeblies on the right of the center depression.
• There are (2) white squares on the left side.
• There are two buttons at the bottom center of the depression. Blue on the right, and red or grey on the wearer's left.
• There are various designs within the center depression.
• Designs may be accomplished with decals.
• Right side of the chest plate has three knobs; black, grey, and red. 
• Three knobs on the left side, just next-to the center depression: Red, Blue & White.
• Raised lines on left side are painted black.
• For basic approval ribbed shoulder bridges connect the Back and Chest Armor.
• Straps are painted to match the helmet and armor.
• 3 small screw cover greeblies at the front , (1) small screw cover greeblies at the rear of each strap.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Grey webbing, approx 1.5 CM  INCH in width, passing under the arm to connect the Chest and Back Armor.
• There is a silver popper on the webbing, approx 1" from the Back Armor.
• Smooth shoulder bridges connect the Back and Chest Armor.

Back Armor

• Snow Commander style back armor, painted to match the Helmet.
• Circuit Board detail plate on rear of Back Armor, with custom back decals and greeblies.
• Three buttons in the top right corner : Red, White & Red.
• Two red buttons on the left side, just above half way.
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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Gray webbing, approx 1.5cm INCH in width, passing under the arm to connect the Back and Chest Armor.
• There is a silver popper on the webbing, approx 1" from the Back Armor.
• Black rubber trim, in the neck-line of the Back Armor.

Rank Buttons

• Worn on the top left section of the chest.
• Rank consists of coloured plastic tiles, mounted directly onto the chest armour (no metal bar).
• May be the rank of Commander (3 Red/3 Blue), or General (4 Red/4 Blue)
• Tile dimensions are, H 1/2" (12.7mm). W 3/4" (19mm). D 1/8" (3.2mm).
• Each tile spaced approx 3mm apart.
• Rank tiles are translucent. Colour, quantity & combinations are determined by rank.

Belt

• The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
• Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
• There are no loops on the belt.
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
• The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
• The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
• Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.
• Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt is made of leather.
• Snap is worn to the left of the wearer.
• Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.

Boots

• Calf high black leather or leather like material.
• Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments.
• Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1".
• This need not be functional.
• Jackboot buckles should not be shiny/can be painted dingy grey or gun-metal color.
• Hobnails may be present on the front of the jackboots.
• Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed.
• If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black.
• German "jack boot" style boots are most canon.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Boots are made of leather.
• Original German jack boots (or Knobelbechers) or an authentic replication thereof.
• Boots have the top adjustment strap.

Optional Accessories

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.

 

Communications Headset

• Silver and black headset with microphone.

E-11 Blaster

• Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.

E-11 Holster

[izzi[TX]]

Change Log:

 

Cleaned up text of extra characters from server migration. 

[bensid39999[501st]]

The armored officers in Solo ended up very similar. Just add OD green trenchcoat!!

[izzi[TX]]

We'll need to take a look then!

[Evilshadow[501st]]

Few more references

 

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[Evilshadow[501st]]

One more

 

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[Evilshadow[501st]]

Seems like there are different colors O_o

 

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[Evilshadow[501st]]

and it seems there is no holes in the back of the helmet, just the piece attached

[izzi[TX]]

Those pictures actually do not apply to this CRL. They are wearing an officer tunic instead of a jumpsuit, and the belt, gloves and boots are different. Also the chest piece for the armor is a different style. Thanks for posting them up, but unfortunately they cannot be used at this time.

[Evilshadow[501st]]

OK! Truly have the same role, didn't notice the jumpsuit

 

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[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I cleaned up and purged extra characters from the CRL proposal. 

I also had to take a very close look at the top three ref images to find the button and panel. its almost as if the top of the coveralls are an officers coat  and was buttoned all the way up unlike the Naval version which has hidden fasteners. 

 

Observation: 

The Wampa Wear tan jumpsuit is a very light tan. I am the reason it exists so I have the first, but its very light tan . it has the leg pockets and hidden chest pockes but not the panel feature.  It does come with the standard mandarin collar.  

Discussion:

Given that I have made about 22 Imperial Flight Suits I think it would be just as easy to get a tan work coverall (boiler suit) as the base.  You would need a second suit to make the leg pockets from.  The collar can be stood up, folded under and stitched in place to form the standing collar, and a modesty panel can be cut from scrap fabric.  Or you could get a piece of similar tan fabric, use some interfacing, and stitch that i place to hold the collar firmly.   

Questions:

Do we have a good picture of the back of the armor and its circuit plate design? would the plate be the same as used on the ATAT? '

Would the black and silver headset be the same used by the Imperial Navy Bridge Crewman? 

 

for consideration:

https://www.amazon.com/Walls-Cotton-Coverall-Size-REGULAR/dp/B00K3421I2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1530475154&sr=8-7&keywords=tan%2Bwork%2Bcoveralls%2Bcotton&th=1&psc=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dickies-Mens-Basic-Cotton-Coverall/dp/B00MPD1KE0/ref=pd_sbs_193_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00MPD1KE0&pd_rd_r=46fc553d-7d69-11e8-890f-1dbcfc3af4d2&pd_rd_w=VGTJG&pd_rd_wg=1n7MR&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=5825442648805390339&pf_rd_r=6BRCQWETVP15HQG711CR&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&refRID=6BRCQWETVP15HQG711CR

Adding this one.  its a bigger chest for guys my size. I see these everyday becasue of all the plants we have here.  The color is khaki, or as we see the in SW costume book. "light brown". 

https://www.feldfire.com/Lakeland-7-oz-100-FR-Cotton-Coveralls_p_7783.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi8fdBRCVARIsAEkDvnJfSiDNV3EsbaxM_6NE3WB9Io2msqZO6i2XavPjmJQfL005Gu2GcR4aAkq6EALw_wcB

 

[izzi[TX]]

22 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Questions:

Do we have a good picture of the back of the armor and its circuit plate design? would the plate be the same as used on the ATAT? '

Would the black and silver headset be the same used by the Imperial Navy Bridge Crewman?

We do not have a picture of the back, however a discussion with Toddo of the LMO team took place at length looking at this character. The center picture above is actually a young General Veers in an army uniform taken from the New Essential Guide to Characters. Knowing it's Veers and how the chest armor is the same, we were able to agree that the back would be the same as Veers wore as when he commanded the AT-AT in ESB.

The headset, I believe is the same for both the crewman and the AT-AT commander, and would be the style we're looking for.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

given that we have face character Veers to study and all other parts of the front side match (in art)  , that's a reasonable position for the back armor. I found a great pic of Veers in the ATAT from the front and you can see the right earpiece. 

[kevair464[501st]]

Approved headset style for level 3 Veers per the ACD





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[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Kevin thanks for posting that.  You will possibly be lead on this, so please post EVERYTHING you do, have, acquire, obtain, come about or finagle. 

two questions for you, and a comment

1 your officer blouse looks fabulous.  It looks very well constructed and the collar is perfect, however:

On 6/14/2018 at 4:38 AM, izzi said:

Those pictures actually do not apply to this CRL. They are wearing an officer tunic instead of a jumpsuit, and the belt, gloves and boots are different. Also the chest piece for the armor is a different style. Thanks for posting them up, but unfortunately they cannot be used at this time.

This brings me, to the tan jumpsuit which is being defined for this costume. Did you post the helmet/goggles and headset for reference, intending to make the tan suit? 

2  Who makes the helmet you have? I maintain that you cannot have enough of these helmets, and I have four being made for myself at the moment.

3 did you make your headset, and how is it to wear for a while? 

[kevair464[501st]]

Kevin thanks for posting that.  You will possibly be lead on this, so please post EVERYTHING you do, have, acquire, obtain, come about or finagle. 
two questions for you, and a comment
1 your officer blouse looks fabulous.  It looks very well constructed and the collar is perfect, however:
This brings me, to the tan jumpsuit which is being defined for this costume. Did you post the helmet/goggles and headset for reference, intending to make the tan suit? 
2  Who makes the helmet you have? I maintain that you cannot have enough of these helmets, and I have four being made for myself at the moment.
3 did you make your headset, and how is it to wear for a while? 

I posted the helmet and headset reference to a question in regards to the proper headset for Veers

These pictures are from my AT-AT Commander/Veers build, and thus the Line Officer Tunic.

I made the headset using some instructions from the ACD forums for Veers. It’s pretty simple, just a wire hanger, tea light candle cups, a leather band, and a boom mic stolen from an old toy headset.

The helmet is from MonCal/Faraway. Paint color is a Krylon Italian Olive Spray paint.

Currently I’m working on a Mudtrooper Officer build, may do some further work on an Army Field Officer in the future, posted these as an reference for the helmet/headset only


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[kevair464[501st]]

Veers armor, the Army Officer is a variation on this:










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[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Kevin thanks for sharing that.  It brings us to a great point about the armor, that is easily missed.  Your MonCal set, Snowtrooper sets, my own Scootch gear, and all that I have seen have the raised double bar on the right side.  Per the proposal, the "silver greeblie" may be omitted.  A trooper could grind it away and back fill it with plastic, bondo it and paint it and it would fine, because it matches our other source art. 

In this art, the greeblie reminds me of the Harrier model part used on so many ESB and ROTJ costumes.  It looks like at lest half of it in the art, cut up and moved around. The part is used on so many things, most visibly Endor Troopers, ALL OVER Boushh and as the rank on Lando Calrisians collar.  If a person wanted to go to that level, that would be great, and if not, that would be great too because its art and its up to the artist.  But at any rate, its an optional item to have it or not, per the proposal. 

 

 

The one thing that does seem to be consistent here in our art is the color of the helmet, and minus reflections and shadows, the armor somewhat matches.   Do we want to further define which "grey" will be used for the armor and helmet, or leave it to the individual and their GML?  Primer Grey varies wildly, but my preference as far as color has always been Rustoleum 2X primer and paint grey.  

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

OK! SO, lets break this down.  As discussed above it was beleived this may be a suitable Han Solo variant. We know now that is not the case.  It is a tan coverall only.  

Lets take a look at the helmet first and make sure what we have written is what we see in the art in the three frames at the top. 

On 5/15/2018 at 5:19 PM, izzi said:

Helmet

• Open face helmet consisting of a dome (with rim) and helmet skirt.
• Helmet is based on the shell of the Snowtrooper/Snow Cmdr. and the AT-ST Driver.
• The helmet is painted a Gray color.
• A "Rangefinder" is attached to the helmet dome. This is centered to the right side of the dome and aligned to the rim.
  • The rangefinder consists of :
  • Rectangular box about h/l/d 1.85" (47mm), 1.65" (42mm), 0.4" (10.16mm) with a slight bevel and details on. The box is the same color as the helmet.
  • 1 screw cap or cylindrical knob approx. 0.4" (10.16mm) in diameter in the upper left corner.
  • 2 cylindrical pins lined up in the lower left corner of the box.
  • 1 cylindrical pin in the upper right corner of the box.
  • 1 Rangefinder main detail (originally created from a Revell V8 carburetor, but not to be confused with the "Han Solo blaster" piece), aligned at the lower right corner of the box.
  • Ring shaped antenna on top of the box with about 1.5" (38.1mm) in diameter and 0.35" (9mm) depth being cut at the top.
• ]There are 5 flat rectangular clips, positioned equally around the helmet where the dome meets the skirt. (1 in the center, 2 on each side).
• Imperial Code Disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt.
• There are 6 screw cover greeblies positioned equally around the bottom of the helmet skirt (3 on each side).
• A black trim is covering the edge of the helmet skirt and forehead of the dome.
• Black chin strap (without a chin cup).
• Silver/metallic cylindrical 'Spine shaped Greeblie' bar in the rear center of the helmet skirt.
• ]The bar is divided into 11 segments with the thicker 6 segments ideally fitting into the 6 depressions of the rear helmet skirt.
• Com-link microphone attached to the RH inner side of the helmet, in a curved shape, with a small conical end, painted in black.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Comm-link Microphone is not attached directly to the helmet. It is a separately worn Headset. See : "Optional Accessories" below.

Goggles

• Black trimmed military style goggles, with a Light Gray/Tan or Black strap.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Goggles are angular, and not rounded in shape.
• Strap is black, and approx 1.5cm in width, with a small buckle on both sides.

 

Discussion:

After careful review of the helmet, I believe that in most regards it is the same at the Armored Ground Commander.  I do not see evidence of the circular ring antenna.  If it were present, it would be visible in both the Veers and the female commanders views.   The five rectangular clips, and the six screw heads are also not visible, but that does not mean they are there.  There are makers that build these helmets in this fashion (Tambo comes immediately to mind) .  With that in mind, and given that this would also have the rod style greeblie inset into the back of the helmet, I I propose that we alter the text of the helmet CRL to read as follows, with no changes to the rest of the text concerning Level 2, microphone headset or goggles: 

 

 

PROPOSAL 

On 5/15/2018 at 5:19 PM, izzi said:

Helmet

• Open face helmet consisting of a dome (with rim) and helmet skirt.
• Helmet is based on the shell of the AT-ST Driver 
• The helmet is painted a Gray color.
• A "Rangefinder" is attached to the helmet dome. This is centered to the right side of the dome and aligned to the rim.
  • The rangefinder consists of :
  • Rectangular box about h/l/d 1.85" (47mm), 1.65" (42mm), 0.4" (10.16mm) with a slight bevel and details on. The box is the same color as the helmet.
  • 1 screw cap or cylindrical knob approx. 0.4" (10.16mm) in diameter in the upper left corner.
  • 2 cylindrical pins lined up in the lower left corner of the box.
  • 1 cylindrical pin in the upper right corner of the box.
  • 1 Rangefinder main detail (originally created from a Revell V8 carburetor, but not to be confused with the "Han Solo blaster" piece), aligned at the lower right corner of the box.
  • Ring shaped antenna on top of the box with about 1.5" (38.1mm) in diameter and 0.35" (9mm) depth being cut at the top.
• ]There are 5 flat rectangular clips may be, positioned equally around the helmet where the dome meets the skirt. (1 in the center, 2 on each side).
• Imperial Code Disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt.
• There are 6 screw cover greeblies may be positioned equally around the bottom of the helmet skirt (3 on each side).

 

[wrendevu[501st]]

Very interested in where this is going 

[Krysis[501st]]

Since Wren is interested in this, I am getting to work on making a Smaller helmet for her. I will post some progress shots as it develops... I am currently waiting for resin to arrive to move forward.

[wrendevu[501st]]

Will the gun belt be an optional part (as seen in the third reference photo)?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

We see it in one panel. It's something we can discuss.

 

Does anyone have input on the proposal for verbiage regarding the commlink antenna clips and greeblie position?

[wrendevu[501st]]

21 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

We see it in one panel. It's something we can discuss.

 

Does anyone have input on the proposal for verbiage regarding the commlink antenna clips and greeblie position?

I'm pretty new at this but it makes sense to me.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

The key thing is, read what were discussing, compare it to the images, and see if we missed something, or that what we wrote made sense or if we need to change the wording. Never be intimidated to let us know if we miss something!   We will take the discussion topic by topic and cover the whole thing head to toe.  In all, this looks very straightforward and Im looking forward to getting this completed. 

 

well add the gunbelt to the discussion once we work our way down to the Officer belt section.