Purge Trooper (Phase II) - Kenobi - Discussion

[dewannawanga[TX]]

I bought a kit that was made in reference to the exact 3d files the were used to make the clone and purge. These are the spats that came with it for reference. 

https://flic.kr/p/2p3hzYj

[jakebullet[501st]]

That's really good information, I'll look out for that video

 

[dewannawanga[TX]]

https://flic.kr/p/2p3gCAr

[smoszer]

Brent. That's great that you verified the base armor with FBFX. I contacted them awhile back and never heard anything. It will definitely make writing the CRL much more straightforward. 

[Flauschi[501st]]

Working in the proposed draft for the boot crl of Tipperaryed I totally agree and would only argue for one more addition. We should mention, that boot is black in general, as that info got lost. I put it in again and it is underlined in the following text.

 

Boots are above ankle height, similar in style to FOTK boots.

Flat black soles, without a heel.

Boots are made from black leather or a leather like material.

Boots have a full height inner zipper.

Zipper must be black in colour.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

The wearer's inner side of the boots have zippers and no side elastic.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

I think that is perfect. 

[Flauschi[501st]]

Thanks

@tipperaryred, what do you think?

What would be the next best part to analyze, besides the Kama, which is already worked on by smoszer?

[smoszer]

I think we still have gloves to do for the soft parts. 

[smoszer]

Kama Exterior of Kama: - Black leather or leather like material - Top is divided into four large panels - Three small pleated panels run along the bottom - width of each panel matches larger panel and height is divided equally. (roughly 40 mm per panel) - There is a slit separating the center of the Kama that runs from the bottom and stops 1/3 of the way from the top   Interior of Kama: - Red leather or leather like material that matches red used on armor - Divided into four large panels that run top to bottom - Black repeating cog pattern covers entire interior. Each row is offset from the row above and below. (each roughly 12-15 mm dia.) - Red cording runs along front edge on both sides and matches red used on armor - Belt loop runs around top edge of Kama - Nylon or leather strap runs through belt loop and is secured with black parachute clip   Kama starts at the exterior edge of the front belt boxes. Kama flows to the bottom of the knee armor. Kama is worn under utility belt that covers belt loop and parachute clip.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

One suggestion I might make is mentioning the inner red fabric being leather. I don't think we can confirm it was leather. In the available reference material you can't really see it well enough to say for certain it was leather. Just thinking of it from a movie film and production stand point I don't think they would have used leather for afew reasons. Reason 1 it's more expensive for a part hardly visible. Reason 2 you can't screen print leather. I used to be a screen printer and ink will not adhere to leather or vinyl. I think just stating "red material" would be alittle more fair since that's all we can see and prove it to be.

 

Another note would be stating specific details of the top belt and how to make it. Since this is a part we can't see the orginal of it would be more fair to just say "kama tucks under outside belt". That way people are not restricted to using a specific buckle or rigging for there costume.

What are your guys thoughts?

[smoszer]

Here is an image from the live action costume from Kenobi. It was the Hot Toys Display that was set up in Japan. As you can see this isn't fabric. It looks like vinyl that had the cog imprinted or debossed somehow. Some suggested that it was 3D printed using 2 color TPU flex filament. 

 

I created a printing die and pressed that onto red vinyl to get the results below.
 

If the decision is made to open up the base approval to allow fabric as an option for standard approval, then we can definitely modify the outline and make the Level 2 approval vinyl.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Oh you know what having seen that detail I think I know how they did that! I think they got black fabric and screen printed the red on there using puff additive. I used that stuff when I was a screen printer. It creates a raised print that would look exactly like that. The ink would also have a slight sheen to it. This is what I would suggest for a write up on the inner fabric

Lvl 1

Inner fabric is black and has small red cogs printed in a staggered pattern

Lvl 2

Red cogs are raised and appear to have an embossed look.

I think material choice could be left open as long as it contains those details but we could also note "vinyl material also acceptable "? Thoughts?

 

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Okay so I've been working on gloves and all the armor parts, however I don't wanna bury Tipperaryed lol. I've gone back and copied the latest write up for the parts previously discussed. I'll paste them all here so they are all in one place for Tipperaryed to make his life easier. Are we all content with these write ups before we keep rolling on other parts?

 

UNDER SUIT:

Lvl:1

Base undersuit is made from a black, non-textured material, either one or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs.

Any zippers must not be visible when the full costume is worn.

Ribbing material must be present anywhere the undersuit is visible when armour is worn on top.

All ribbing must be horizontal.

Each rib and groove can be no wider than 3mm or 1/8 inch (one rib and one groove equal 6 mm or 1/4 inch).

Lvl:2

 

The undersuit is one piece construction .

A zipper runs along the entire front and encloses the front of the undersuit. This should not be visible when the full costume is worn.

Non-visible areas of undersuit (eg. forearms, center of thighs, waist and calves) do not have ribbed material present.

 

NECK SEAL:

Lvl:1

Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck.

 

A bib may extend from the bottom of the neck seal to ensure that the entire neck opening of the chest and back armour is covered. The bib should be made from the same ribbing material as used on the undersuit.

 

BOOTS:

Boots are above ankle height, similar in style to FOTK boots.

 

Flat black soles, without a heel.

 

Boots are made from leather or a leather like material.

 

Boots have a full height inner zipper

 

Zipper must be black in colour.

 

Lastly are we content with the kama write up? I didn't include that here since we are currently working on it

[smoszer]

Helmet

• Gloss black in color, consistent with the rest of the costume.
• Lens must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. The eye lens is one continuous piece with a mirrored red tint.
• The central vocoder (chin detail) may be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate or it may be molded as a part of the mouth plate, but with a prominent recessed outline to create the appearance of being separate.
  • The top part of the vocoder is rectangular in shape, with two clipped dog ears on the top corners.
    • A smaller plate of identical shape sits on the top of this panel, leaving a narrow margin around each edge. There is also an angular cut out at the top of the right edge of this plate.
    • A second rectangular plate sits on the top of the first, covering approximately 40% of bottom of the lower plate.
    • There is a raised horizontal line on the lower left side of this top plate.
    • There is a small square recess underneath this raised horizontal line.
  • The main body of the vocoder sits below the panel described above.
    • 9 raised ridges run vertically across the vocoder.
    • Angled wings at the top of either side of the vocoder ridges, each slightly under approximately 50% of the length of these ridges. These wings angle down to the rest on top of the main mouth plate.
• Square profile side tusks run back from the lower edges of this front plate.
  • Recessed rectangular metallic silver screens are inset into the greeblie in the front of each side tusk. Each greeblie has a raised ridge on 3 sides, angling up from the bottom side of the greeblie.
  • 6 pill shapped symmetrical recessed stripes on each tusk, with the bottom of the recesses filled with red to match the pauldron, belt accessories and left bicep armor.
• A small raised horizontal rectangle with a recessed line is located below the vocoder.
• The frown must have 10 teeth cut out and any raised teeth or angled recesses are painted silver.
• There is a silver rectangular plate on the nose, between the teeth and the front plate, with a silver half moon greeble on top. This plate is recessed below the angled face plates on either side. The half moon greeble is level with the adjacent face plates.
• There is symmetrical recesses with a pill shaped greeblie on each side between the side tubes and the cheeks.
  • The top of the greeblies are split in half with the top half being flat and the bottom half having 4 raised ridges that are level with the flat half.
• There are sharp angular cheekbones sculpted into helmet face plate running in a triangular shape below the lens opening.
• There are 3 raised ridges run from the center of the brow, over the top of the helmet and down to the rear center of the helmet skirt. The central ridge is approximately 2.5 times wider than the ridges to either side of it.
• A winged greeblie sits below the center of the brow ridge and above the eye lens.
• The top of the helmet is separated from the face plate by a horizontal band running above the brow. A groove separates the top of the helmet and the rear skirt, running across the back of the helmet, meeting the brow band on either side. The side greebles (communicators/range finders) are attached on top of the joints between the band and the ridge on either side of the helmet.
• Symmetrical rectangular greebles (communicators/range finders) with semi-circular ridges underneath, present at the back of each side of the brow band, situated on top of the point where the front band meets the rear groove.
  • The greeblie contains two raised and stacked squares, each with a circular LED or sculpted imitation located near the front, and a single recessed line in the shape of a square outlining the back two thirds of the greeble.
  • OPTIONAL - The top and bottom may be lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.
• There are 2 small pill shaped double indentation in the bottom corners of the faceplate, under each ear. The rear indentation is vertical and slightly longer than the front indentation that angles toward the front of the helmet. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The central vocoder (chin detail) shall be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate.
• The aforementioned greeblie on the back of each side of the brow band must have the top and bottom lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.

Thanks Brett. That's so helpful to pull everything up in the string. I brought the helmet up too.

[smoszer]

@Kenyon do we still have the onset group from California in this forum? We have a question on the material that was used for the inner side of the Kama. The black cogs on the red field. If they have any input to help us identify how that part was created, it would help immensely. 

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Oh I forgot to mention I did email fbfx to ask them about the inner fabric. They said the fabric was sent to them by Lucas film so they can not verify the material used but he did say how ever that is was a printed on pattern. This would be my recommended right up. This is an alteration of smoszer write up.

• Exterior of Kama:
• - Black leather or leather like material
• - Top is divided into four large panels
• - Three small pleated panels run along the bottom - width of each panel matches larger panel and height is divided equally. (roughly 40 mm per panel)
• - There is a slit separating the center of the Kama that runs from the bottom and stops 1/3 of the way from the top
•  
• Interior of Kama:
• - Black or red material (vinyl like material also acceptable) with cog pattern print being the opposite color. Example-Black with red cogs or red with black cogs
• ^
• (Without doing the level 2 embossed look I feel fabric could be either color as long as cog print reflects the opposite color as either color would give the same look)
•  
• -Divided into four large panels that run top to bottom
• - Black/red repeating cog pattern covers entire interior. Each row is offset from the row above and below. (each roughly 12-15 mm dia.)
• - Red cording runs along front edge on both sides and matches red used on armor

Lvl2

Inner material is black with red printed cogs. Cog print is slightly raised giving the pattern an embossed look.

( being that the red on the pattern is the color that is raised i think its safe to say the red was the printed color)

•  
• (Note) Kama starts at the exterior edge of the front belt boxes.
• Kama is worn under ammo belt and extends to the bottom of knee armor

What are your thoughts smoszer being that this is based off your right up?

[IC-2235[501st]]

On 9/16/2023 at 1:43 AM, dewannawanga said:

the spats are the same ones used on the new clone troopers. I emailed FBFX (the company that made both the new clones and the purge trooper costume) and they confirmed the base armor kit for the purge trooper is the exact armor kit they made for the clone troopers for the show. they just added the purge trooper details and greeblies to the armor. this is really good news because there is an Adam savage video where he goes over a screen used clone trooper costume at the FBFX warehouse. this shows up close and personal all the base armor that would be identical to the purge trooper. the spats appear to be the same as the clones but black and without the strap over the top. 

Does this mean that the greeblies would be added separately to the base clone chest armor? 
 

I hope it does, because that would help me with another project.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

25 minutes ago, IC-2235 said:

Does this mean that the greeblies would be added separately to the base clone chest armor? 
 

I hope it does, because that would help me with another project.

Yes the chest greebs would be added on the regular clone chest armor.

[IC-2235[501st]]

7 minutes ago, dewannawanga said:

Yes the chest greebs would be added on the regular clone chest armor.

I mean as separate pieces from the armor. Or more so, that they don’t have to be molded into the chest. Hope that makes sense. 
 

Basically, I’m hoping that the greeblies can be removed if desired, and it doesn’t hurt approval.

[smoszer]

Brent I'm good with the idea of using fabric for the inside of the Kama. I think we have to be very clear that it's black cogs on a red field (background). Red cogs on a black field wouldn't be screen accurate. For level 2, I think we can say that the red is embossed to form the black cog, or something to that effect.

[smoszer]

Hey Tom. I'm a GML for our Garrison and my suggestion would be that if you would like to make them removable that you do it in a way that they look like they are molded in. You could trim them on the vertical edges so that when you look at the armor straight on,  the seam isn't aparant. Palce a magnet on the inside of the armor and onthe back of the greeblie to hold it in place. Every Garrison review is focused on having the costume look screen accurate when photographed. If your build doesn't look just like the costume in the story that it appears in, it won't pass. And yes, the details matter.

[IC-2235[501st]]

12 minutes ago, smoszer said:

Hey Tom. I'm a GML for our Garrison and my suggestion would be that if you would like to make them removable that you do it in a way that they look like they are molded in. You could trim them on the vertical edges so that when you look at the armor straight on,  the seam isn't aparant. Palce a magnet on the inside of the armor and onthe back of the greeblie to hold it in place. Every Garrison review is focused on having the costume look screen accurate when photographed. If your build doesn't look just like the costume in the story that it appears in, it won't pass. And yes, the details matter.

Sounds good! I definitely want it to look the best it can. When I hear greeblies, it means a separate piece to me. And my main thing was if it had to be molded with the chest or not. 

So sounds like it’s all good!

[dewannawanga[TX]]

6 hours ago, smoszer said:

Brent I'm good with the idea of using fabric for the inside of the Kama. I think we have to be very clear that it's black cogs on a red field (background). Red cogs on a black field wouldn't be screen accurate. For level 2, I think we can say that the red is embossed to form the black cog, or something to that effect.

yes, i see the way i worded it was confusing. what i was trying to say is either color could be the printed color as long as the cogs would be black. i guess that could be pretty confusing so your right lets just stick with the fabric being red and black cogs being printed on. for the level 2 embossed look since the red need to be printed on a black background so the red is raised the negative of the cogs will need to the part that's printed. 

[Flauschi[501st]]

12 hours ago, dewannawanga said:

Okay so I've been working on gloves and all the armor parts, however I don't wanna bury Tipperaryed lol. I've gone back and copied the latest write up for the parts previously discussed. I'll paste them all here so they are all in one place for Tipperaryed to make his life easier. Are we all content with these write ups before we keep rolling on other parts?

 

UNDER SUIT:

Lvl:1

Base undersuit is made from a black, non-textured material, either one or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs.

Any zippers must not be visible when the full costume is worn.

Ribbing material must be present anywhere the undersuit is visible when armour is worn on top.

All ribbing must be horizontal.

Each rib and groove can be no wider than 3mm or 1/8 inch (one rib and one groove equal 6 mm or 1/4 inch).

Lvl:2

 

The undersuit is one piece construction .

A zipper runs along the entire front and encloses the front of the undersuit. This should not be visible when the full costume is worn.

Non-visible areas of undersuit (eg. forearms, center of thighs, waist and calves) do not have ribbed material present.

 

NECK SEAL:

Lvl:1

Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck.

 

A bib may extend from the bottom of the neck seal to ensure that the entire neck opening of the chest and back armour is covered. The bib should be made from the same ribbing material as used on the undersuit.

 

BOOTS:

Boots are above ankle height, similar in style to FOTK boots.

 

Flat black soles, without a heel.

 

Boots are made from leather or a leather like material.

 

Boots have a full height inner zipper

 

Zipper must be black in colour.

 

Lastly are we content with the kama write up? I didn't include that here since we are currently working on it

Nearly perfect, but you missed my addition, that it should be "black leather or leather like material"

 

At the moment white boots with a black zipper and sole are ok according to crl

[dewannawanga[TX]]

7 hours ago, Flauschi said:

Nearly perfect, but you missed my addition, that it should be "black leather or leather like material"

 

At the moment white boots with a black zipper and sole are ok according to crl

Ah you are correct lol. My bad.