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I have actually tried one on. I think its fun for display but since there is so many helmets that are affordable and approvable i would not bother with this and get a helmet from a vendor that is approvable with no guess work.

Ok that is good to know about the astromechs as i wasnt so sure. Definitely dont want to take from them at all. Yeah so maybe if we do start a spot for the bad robot protocols if it gains enough traction they can splinter off to their own detachment i think that would be awesome so yeah i will just direct folks here then about the bad robots. do you think we should have a protocol droid section so if can put all of them or just keep posting a new one in here and just go that route?

I just started reading the book and there may be another female character that could be added to the ranks over here as well. I am not far into the book and we have 9days til the game comes out. I know the beta is out so hang tight folks we are getting closer to the point where things will be definite and clear to move forward with solidifying the CRL etc.

So I almost forgot. Its about the bad robots (other empire protocol droids) I did a bit of research and there seems to be a large amount of protocol droids that are empire and i am wondering if we should consider maybe taking on the role of housing them here? I keep trying to figure out where they would all go and in honesty unless we create a new detachment for the bad robots i feel they probably have the best fit here. This might also include the astromech droids as well if they are empire based. I am unsure how the R2 builders club handle droids being built that are empire based maybe find out with them about that. I do think the protocol droids since they can be worn should be here though at this point. I would really like to hear opinions, options, and see what thoughts are. There seems to be now a popularization since triple 000 about the bad robots being built.

I look forward to the current CRL being updated with the appropriate information and not being archived because it doesn't need to be. Nothing wrong with recycling what we have and improving upon it. No reason to "reinvent the wheel" at this point. anytime we need to make an update to a CRL we use what is there and add unless its a completely different costume. For example the shadow stormtroopers from TFU are way different from battlefront and different from the original hence 3 CRL's We have a completely different magmatrooper which is FISD so technically we kind of do have 2 CRL's for two different costumes of the same name which makes sense. Subtle differences don't warrant a full decked out new CRL. As far as using the term "outdated" there really is no sugar coating about that when something is literally out of date. As far as the current CRL reflecting the lumiya comic book variants it does not and more reflects the gentle giant statue which took its inspiration from the comic book variant and the movie TK's. I honestly had a bunch of trading cards made that say magmatrooper so going to hold off on that poll lol but if anyone feels strongly about it let me know. The history was enjoyable and honestly i think maybe we can have a separate forum section for history of all the costumes we have. I think it would be awesome for people that are history buffs and can share some information they research and discover I am all for that 100%. Just to let you know some of your comments I personally feel have different intentions then what you might be trying to intend. I do feel that we might have gained a small percentage of being on the same page and understanding but that is better than nothing. Anyways i to will continue to wear my magmatrooper costume proudly and continue to have fun regardless. Looking forward to the future cheers.

We are agreement that previous FX kits that already (key word is already) have been approved from time past but since then FX Helmet is not approvable. We have gone over this already and we all know that as a fact that was never an issue. However if someone chooses to buy an FX kit (which i have no idea why since we have ata wtf and some other more accurate) they would have to replace the helmet and most likely do modifications so I do not encourage people to buy old FX kits does that make sense? Here is the thing with the old lumiya reference it is art work and art work tends to be a bit sketchy. The mere fact that it does not show the back of the costume is more than enough for me to say no lets not include that style in the current CRL that makes no sense and I do not see any justification to be made to add that to the current CRL. Does that make any sense? I will bring up this point from what you said about the comic book I am in total agreement with changing the name from magma trooper to crimson storm trooper. In fact i think there should be a poll for members to decide on that. I think that is a good point that comic reference is crimson and not to mention the latest black series toys mention us as crimson storm trooper so i am all for that. Especially if its more canon and more accurate. Not to mention its moving towards the future and not dwelling on the past. Another point a lot of what you talk about dwells on the past and putting past items in the current CRL. I dont see a purpose because the original CRL has what was provided at the time and is in need of update for the present and future so a lot of this 'past" stuff being added makes no sense and is outdated. I think during the time when things where being brought on board those changes should have been made but to me its not relevant for now and is inaccurate. We have more references which are toys with the black series especially and (now I am speculating) a potential move to make this more available and out there. Look at the amount of merch that is present now for these vs only a $300 gentle giant figure. The armor that was made did not make huge bobbled headed helmets because it looks rather horrible and not to mention when the gentle giant statue came out that was approved by lucasfilm as you mentioned so that to me has a bit more valid just because it is a 360 degree presentation that has the details from the front and back. so basing the current CRL off of that I think is a better idea than going with bobble head. I say that only because there is no 360 degree view in the comic. Now if there was more detail instead of a more "concept art presentation" then this would have been a totally different story. Does that make sense? Again the history is a bit fuzzy but its in the past and again those concerns to me should have been brought up way back when this was all beginning not now. Because now you run the risk of having several people unapproved due to inaccuracies in the current CRL. I can probably speak for everyone that has a magma trooper whatever maker it is wont be ok with that on any level. So leave that as is and lets head towards the future with what is presented to us now. If you are a history buff then by all means look up the information maybe even provide a educational section but it doe not belong in the CRL. From what i can tell with the new crimson they basically look like red TK's which is what we have described in the current CRL already since it is based of off TK's so I am not following what the issue is with that. The CRL does not reflect the old lumiya comic book style in fact it jumped ahead and reflects the new already so again going back to it to reflect old in that same CRL makes no sense. Even your picture literally reflects the new minus the FX bucket. So how about this because i just popped into the CRL section to see if storm trooper concept armor is an option for approval. What about the lumiya comic book style reference being the magma/crimson concept armor? With the ugly bobble head etc meaning your armor wouldn't qualify because its no where near what is presented in the comic. So it would be possible to produce a concept magma trooper CRL based on the star wars magazine. So someone would have to make the entire armor suit exactly to spec of how it is in the comic book.Go through the process of creating the CRL and being approved. Even if technically speaking what we have reflects the gentle giant toy and will be updated to reflect the new toys its already been passed the approval line with 501st legion and there is nothing wrong with having the toy as a reference. I am not interested in going backwards at an attempt to literally unapprove every single magmatrooper just because we dont reflect concept art in a magazine but instead reflect a toy that was created because of the magazine concept art. The toy was approved by lucasfilm at the time and for me that is plenty enough. To sum up essentially there could be 2 CRL's created. One for the old ugly bobble head big thighs etc concept art magamtrooper(crimson rooper) and one for the current magmatrooper (crimson stormtrooper) based off the gentle giant/black series toys etc. For anyone wanting to make the concept art they would have to recreate a whole new outfit because what everyone has now does not reflect what is in the comic book and does not pass off as it. Also I am in disagreement with telling everyone they are unapproved because people failed at creating the correct CRL's at the time. That is on them and that is in the past. What we have is what we got and we can continue to build on it looking towards the future. All of this has been a rather fun history lesson but thats all it is a history lesson. It shows what not to do going forward in the future when creating CRL's and it also goes to show that trying to over do it and over think things will create unnecessary problems. As far as making CRL's based on new sets of armor by different creators such as ata, WTF, anovos etc I feel is completely unnecessary. They all are working from the same basic information we have. Old CRL should just be updated to reflect the new changes. If you want to create a new CRL based off lumiya reference be my guest but keep in mind your armor falls into the new not the old because it does not reflect the old lumiya style and if that is what you are going for again as I mentioned it would need to be made from scratch and not just pulling parts from the armor based off the toy and saying its the same thing it is not. That brings the total of CRL's to 2. 1. Magmatrooper concept art from the lumiya comic 2. Magmatrooper/crimson from the gentle giant,black series and whatever toy that will be made in the future. (which is what we already have and needs to be updated) Not going to lie this conversation about this whole thing has gotten out of hand and has gotten to a point of well ridiculous. All of the things mentioned to me are irrelevant and are fun to know if you are interested in history or trivia. It really bears no relevance to wanting to update an existing CRL to reflect the up to date helmet and armor that looks better than what we had. That literally was all that was requested now we are 4 pages deep in a thread with all this history lesson and for what? To find out the CRL created was based off the gentle giant toy and not the magazine reference not much of a scandal there. Anyway this was interesting I hope I was clear in what I said and I hope we can honestly put this to rest and move on with updating/modifying the CRL.So again I am not interested nor is there any need to create a 3rd CRL. D Side note: Which if i am not mistaken in my star wars re fence book (which is huge) refers to the red as magma but let me double check and get back to you.

If anyone has more reference photos please post how do you upload a photo

No we don't and I am really getting tired of this same conversation with you about this. We don't need three different CRLs for three different toys. In fact they just came out with the new pop funko red stormtrooper so should we make a CRL for that too? do you see how out of hand and silly that will get. If that was the case you do realize that the majority of the costumes in the 501st legion would have multiple CRL's. The reason they narrow it down to mainly 1 is to avoid confusion. You on the other hand keep deliberatly negating logic and keep trying to add more confusion why? I really don't see the purpose. As far as the crimson storm trooper I think that should be a discussion that command staff possibly can have and take a poll. I am unsure what direction they are trying to go but they have also put out a new pop red storm trooper so seems they have plans for the red but unsure what the end game is until then i think jumping the gun is pretty foolish. Again you are under the impression that people will lose membership blah blah if we update the CRL. The purpose of updating the CRL is simple to keep it up to date. The old CRL has the FX bucket (which is not approvable)and old/outdated information on it So no we are not having 3 CRL's for one costume. All that needs to happen is to update the CRL and if the variation for the crimson stormtrooper ends up being a canon legit thing then add 1 or just add more information to the one CRL. so for example Abdomen Armor For 501st approval: The ab armor has a button area with 9 gloss buttons of approximately 7/16" in diameter. The buttons can be one of the following color schemes: The buttons are all black Six of the buttons are black and the other three are grey, That is simple easy and to the point without creating unnecessary CRL's. So above in the example it represents both the original variant and the new black series crimsom stormtrooper Which I will have to look at my black series and see what other little goodies they have. I notice they are rocking a new pew pew so again these things can be added to an updated 1 encompassing CRL. Which i will work on a bit later this week and post and see if everyone can finally chill with this and be on the same page. I like to keep things simple for members and aspiring builders over complicating things is pointless, ends terribly and just adds more confusion

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Welcome to Spec Ops! Good luck on your approval.

Yeah that helmet I would suggest getting a new one its looks really off. Again it is going to be up to your local GML but some things just look off.

It was brought to my attention that there is a protocol droid that served palpatine. http://starwars.wiki...wiki/TC-4/Canon It basically has the same color as R-3PO except it has the silver accents. I personally feel it belongs in the spec ops detachment along with triple zero and r3PO I will be writing up a CRL for it pretty soon and I am also endeavoring on this build. This most likely will be a 1-2 year build. Let me know as far as detachment placement because we really don't have a separate detachment for the bad robots (protocol droids since they require a human person wearing it) so to speak lol. Ill also be posting some photos as well.

Awesome. Good luck on your builds. Take your time and dont hesitate to ask questions

To echo what the DL has said the CRL that I have created is based off of limited information as nothing is set in stone since the game has not been officially released. I know some people are overly eager but in this situation excersising patience will save a lot of time and for people building the costume a lot of money. Once the official facts are out I can solidify the CRL and people can finally have a accurate and precise guideline on what to do. Until then its just a waiting game but as you can see some folks have started hopefully they wont have to make significant changes when the game is released.

Good luck with your build. Again nothing is set in stone for CRL items until the game is officially released. Best of luck with your build.

Basically its a way to post up your troops that you do in your Spec Ops costume. Its fun as you get little dragons under your name on the boards as you reach milestones, we get to see your cool pics in your tx and we are working on producing decals that will be available to stick on your bins as you complete milestones as well. So when you get a chance check it out and see if you would be interested This link has the full description. http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/topic/3254-new-imperial-dragons-program-description/

If you are interested check out the Imperial Dragons program http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/forum/53-imperial-dragons/

Hey you Dont forget to start a kill count in the Imperial Dragons section to keep track of your troops http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/forum/53-imperial-dragons/ looking sharp

Hello Those are some good questions. As far as checking with the CRL and Specialist there really is not anything specific about that. What I would suggest paint it as a private and then maybe later on pick whichever you want afterwards. But I think that is something we probably should maybe establish a baseline for what is good for magmatroopers so thank you for bringing this up. Let us know if you have more questions.

Hooray that is great news . yeah its a lot of work what you were going to do but i can understand if you are on a budget and dont have a lot of money to spend on items nothing wrong with being thrifty and tryin something new. So far all is well so not to worried Best of luck with your boots woot

Ya know i really dont know what to tell you but ya know what. Do it lets see how it looks with the armor and go from there. Ultimately it will be up to your local GML for approval so keep that in mind as well. Sorry for the late response hurricane and all.

Looks pretty good thus far. I am unsure if that is massive amounts of glue that i am seeing or not but if it is try and keep it a bit clean with the gluing.

I would have to see pics but I would say the safe bet would be to paint the black ones you have.

Hello yes I would recommend painting them red as well since the entire boot has to be red except the soles.That way it looks uniform. I did the same thing with my boots. Good question though let us know if you have any other concerns.