Darth Emphatic

I agree, I don't see any reason we can't still do the costume. The character is on the cover and could very well still show up in cinematics.

Stick with it - you'll get there!

No worries. We still think we can do the costume.

The butt would have two Brads/snaps and the cod one. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzgDxyWWA2kmBm-TZBFYNWGAjtR5GnjmDIb4b-RxfmlrIkJWrjMw

Thanks for separating these out, Dorothy. I will be working on the formatting for the CRL posting.

Thanks for separating these out, Dorothy. I will be working on the formatting for the CRL posting.

If you are talking about the tube stripes on the helmet, those have to be black. For rivets you can match the TK layout - they are one I nthe same in that regard. Here are the requirements for the DLecidesto requirements listed here on our forums:

Sure, pics would be great. Thanks!

Hi Phil; welcome. The mic tips should be all black. The cover strips are what looks best, within reason. Look at some completed armor pics as a basis for comparison. The reason I don't give you one number is I have seen them very from 13mm to 26mm. A 5 foot, 98lb trooper won't want the same size as someone 6'5'' and 250lb. For bucket color combos, please check the crl. They are all outlined there for what is acceptable. http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_shadow_stormtrooper

No worries. I can request our version of CRL's shells be created on the site at any time. I've been waiting until we feel what we have is solid enough to post up. If you think we are there I can talk to the LMO. Let me know.

Great info and thanks for the work

Very cool

Looking pretty awesome, Jon.

Welcome to spec ops. Make sure to review the crl against your list http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_shadow_scout

I'd say if/when we get another completed that would be the time to add their own section...so hurry up

Thomas, I appreciate your approach and perspective here. We'll continue to evaluate and address what might be short-comings. I don't think we need to have an archived CRL. Instead, we can look to where we can incorporate what might be more source accurate both in art/comic and in the screen (where applicable). I'd like you to be directly involved in what you'd see as art/comic related requirements for the costume.

So far, R2 builder club has handled all those droid, no matter which side they are on. I think that will probably stay with them. Considering the electronics involved, they have the expertise. As for empire protocols, if we keep down this path we'll be the logical spot for new ones, but I can also see, if we keep adding new ones, that splitting off into their own detachment would make a lot of sense. Time will tell on that one.

What your seeing makes sense. It will all need to be corroborated once we have all the full cut-scenes and game access .

And make sure to add your 501st ID to your profile.

Congrats! Better go jump on the racing shirt thread

I haven't seen one of these in person and really need a side by side comparison. I first thing I see if the tube stripes nee d to be black. It looks like it has an acceptable number of teeth, but I can't be sure if the corners are cutout or not. Should be 6-8. Are those even cutout? If not, they will need to be.

Can I just say, I love your level of detail with this

There is some information I hope to provide that is relevant to costume/crl develop in the legion and plays a role in what we are discussion. One thing to note is that an action figure tends to make a poor base for a costume and typically will not be approved as sole source. There are exceptions to that, but typically when a costume shares a common well-sourced foundation. An example being the FO Elite and it's well sourced foundation in the FO Stormtrooper. Also, something like a highly-detailed gentle giant statue is not viewed the same way as a hasbro action figure. That being said, Spec Ops is a detachment of assumption due to the limited sources for our costumes . So, let's pretty much take the action figure sole reference not working as solid reference as gospel for now. That means there needs to be additional context to generate a new CRL. That is typically found in the movies, TV shows, or comic books. However, it's not just a matter of it appearing in one of those, there needs to be a compelling argument that it is not simple a liberty being taken with the better known existing costume. Sadly, we see that a lot with art. The artist interpretation is not quite what we know to be right. If you took all the artist renderings of white stormtroopers out there, you'd have 100's of variants. That will never work. I think that eliminates a new/separate CRL for the action figure unless new sources develop. And, not just new sources, but ones that clearly show this is a different from our current magma trooper. What's left is the difference between the comic and the foundation of a standard stormtrooper. Does that deserve a completely separate CRL? I would say no as we aren't making an argument for this being a different trooper. Where I do think it fits is with my old idea that we can have two tiers of level 2 requirements for many of our costumes - one that provides a higher level of the screen compatible version of the costume and one that is more true to the art. I would very much support take the magma trooper down that path if someone wants to develop the requirements for the comic/art version of the costume which needs to just provide details for the costume parts that are different. As for the name, I don't strongly lean in either direction. I support a poll being put up to allow a membership vote on the name of the costume. This would be a detachment vote, not just a magma roster vote as it is a change that affects the entire detachment. Dorothy, if you would like to post a new poll thread with the reason for the name change, please go ahead. P.S. existing approved costumes with now deprecated pieces are always grandfathered in. However, if that costume was sold to another trooper, the costume would have to be approved again and would fail if it is an FX bucket. What would happen if we had a level 2 comic/art variant for the costume would depend on the requirements of the L2. P.S.S. I hope this helps with where I stand on this .

Woah, let's everyone calm down here. I'm gonna to move this conversation offline for a bit so we can get some perspective and return here to a productive conversation.

I hear you. I definitely became more handy working on armor. Is that a weird seam on the helmet? Keep trying to figure what that line is around the some?