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Sorry mate! Trust me...I go to bat for costumes...I have LMO clearance to do the others in the gang...but Han was a no go back when. I can ask one more time...new LMO team. Who knows.

Focusing on your proposed points @JAFO...it seems that color is the biggest update. I'm open to wording and adjusting that to how you guys all feel. It can be removed and replaced w/ a generic color OR as @GottMitUns205 suggested we can beef it up w/ the added color topcoat. I'm ok w/ either...whatever will keep the troops as uniform in color as possible. Lower belt is cleaned up as @87ninefiveone suggested by @Blackwatch . Are we ok w/ his updated wording of that? Do we want to add the box dimensions to Level 2 (that's an added thing to be cleared in order to achieve Specialist rank here at the detachment) that @quigontimm asked about? Goggles...text needs adjusting and an updated item pic. I would add, that we have the ability now to add galleries to CRLs with additional detail pictures and views. See the Imperial Army Sapper or Shadow Scout CRLs for examples. Some of the goggle strapping and glides can be done in closeup in the gallery. Add DLT-19....flashlight on right side? Lastly...the respirator. I had 2 questions about... 1) Removing rubber trim. Adding in the rubber mask interior? I believe I saw somewhere that it was like a spray paint rubber mask or somesuch. 2) Can you elaborate on the M4 hex screw vs. simply hex screw? That was a detail heavily debated in staff area as going entirely Level 2 last year. We settled on Level 1 for it. Can the specific type go Level 2?

LMOs won't clear it. The precedent for that is pretty much set since ANH...but Finn would be a better example...it's a rejected costume even though he was officially a First Order Trooper when his bucket was bloodied. I have a local friend that attempted to pass it and it was denied. What you are suggesting falls into that category. This was discussed and covered however in the early Mudtrooper CRL discussions last year.

Han is a "good guy" and unlike the rest of Beckett's crew (which are never labeled or depicted as such) would not be a 501st approvable character. I.E. There are no approvable helmet-less TK versions of Han, Luke, or even Finn's bloody helmet.

We have the dimensions in the initial CRL proposal discussion that took place last year and it was decided to hold off on those for 2 reasons... 1) A GML typically just receives front/back full body submission photos...sometimes sides. The dimensions of the box are unidentifiable from those types of shots. 2) If we add the dimensions (at least at Level 1), then we have GMLs asking for additional photos for submission using measuring tape up against each box/side. I am for accurate costumes but that would be excessive for a Level 1 applicant. Now, Level 2 addition...possibly.

@splinter Thanks. I see it now in the "Final Proposed Version"...in the initial proposal it included weathering. @Blackwatch That may be a typo/paste from the Shadow Scout that needs to be corrected back to the initial proposal. (not the most recent which included the "white showing through"). Probably can just copy that part from Izzi's original post.

If you read that in there somewhere, thats a typo. Where did you see that? The opening section states that armor and softgoods may have weathering. That should carry throughout the CRL so if you saw “no weathering” somewhere in the most recent draft (nearest to the end of the thread), let us know where please. Also remember that any updates here dont affect troopers who already har. approval...so u will be good regardless @splinter

4 days is pretty beastly lol.

Thanks @Bozzy I just created a Mud reference only post and will add any of these that are not already in there. Thank you again!!!

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@Blackwatch Let's move on and revisit this red later after @jimmiroquai has weathered the reds he has to match the reference.

I am sure there are multiples out there...Darkside Closet is one I am familiar with off the top of my head that provides softgoods.

@Evilshadow Your tank should be fine. Its fully black right? The bottom isnt painted right? Thats just a glare?

I need pics still from @Tarrif or we will need to look for another option.

Unknown @goblastergo. I'd have to check w/ LMOs. My initial thought would be that this might not be approvable as it's more of a customization item in the game, not the standard character (similarly...allowing use of every weapon that troopers have access to in the game as CRL options such as Boba Fett's blaster or Han Solo's blaster would not be allowed). I can ask though for sure.

Helmet looks good. Soft goods...yup you would need the neck closure and check the back closure measure of the vest to the CRL. I think that's it. Your work there is nearly complete. Nice choice of sheen. My preferred. Any other questions, feel free to ask.

If you would like, post pictures of your progress in here and I can look at it. Are you trying to get approved for Level 2?

Black or dark grey...mine are solid black...my armor is satin...my stickers are gloss to contrast. And yes the vest. Looking at your pictures...your flight suit has the leather suede/faux suede patches and butt flap yes?

That one I feel does have sufficient evidence...appears to have been a “mix it up” option for combat-ready Mudroopers rather than a ”oops”. That said, I will need the reference pictures in support of that posted here to add to our reference database for the costume.

@Fivezero how long does it take u to model something like this?

Title schmitle. I don't like to wave that flag around lol. I'm for working w/ people as a team if at all possible. You put in alot of the groundwork. If you're good with it and on board, then let's move forward. THANK YOU! @Barons_Crown Commence the shaving!!!

@JAFO were specific paints ever nailed down for the armor or are we going w the same recommendations regarding the Pantone as Val?

Correct. A GML would not verify the color. They would go for “look” as they apply Level 1 standards. At Level 2 though, our staff here at the detachment would do the review of a Specialist application and could ask for a picture verifying paint used. It is intended to be a more rigorous review for higher standards. I agree with @areilly. If the paint is known I feel we should keep it and add “or similar” wording. Likewise w/ the Pantone (which already states similar)...add in the additional color layerings with “or similar” type wording. Or if the Pantones truly are that confusing, simply nail down the color “or similar” better for what the final look should be. Again, thats a Level 2 requirement that shouldnt hold up an approval...but is reviewed here at the detachment more rigorously.

Wardrobe malfunctions (even if appearing in film) should not be considered optional. LMO perspective (past and present) I recently discussed regarding a different costume is that the CRL should represent the majority and intended look of the costume as portrayed. For example, I recently saw a Rogue 1 TK reference where the troopers kidney plate had come undone and was flipped over the butt plate. It was in the film. Optional look? No of course not. Simply being in the film, isn't necessarily sufficient for inclusion as an option. Context of the scenes it's pulled from and the mainline Mudtrooper do have to be considered. As another example, we have ANH TKs w/ duct tape among other unintended appearances/variants. They aren't accepted as options in the CRL for the same reasons. Think bigger picture...if it's optional that means EVERY Mudtrooper could theoretically leave off the knee plates. Would this represent the costume best? I would argue it would not. I'm in the Mudtrooper build group so I will also mention the absence of a respirator (I've seen one post-battle reference..context matters) since it will get mentioned at some point...are we ok with ALL Mudtroopers not having a respirator? Does that represent the costume? Again...take the context of where that reference was pulled from and think big picture.

Serious question...but I would also just love to see it lol...clean-shaven should be a face character requirement yes??? *Hands Barons a razor.