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Correct on the hat...the issue is the context of where those items were used by the troopers (from the very beginning hence why they were allowed as optional)...again, not their appearance in panels necessarily. @TX-15293 has provided me w/ some digital copies of these issues so I can take a look at them and make an informed decision. As far as trooping with it...you should just make sure to clear any non-CRL items w/ your GML and CO prior to use...particularly if it's an LFL event.

Ur not much shorter than me (I'm 5'9"/5'10") but a heckuva lot thinner (190 lbs). Need to borrow some of my weight? It's tough to tell with tape because elastic tends to pull stuff in tighter once it's all connected.

Mmmmm...by scavenged I mean "not standard issue"...Boba (bounty hunter) has no "standard issue" because he's not an imperial trooper. In terms of semantics, everything he has is scavenged so thats an apples to orange comparison. He has the screen reference for what his costume has always been (though it changes from ESB to ROTJ in some ways) but he's not an Imperial trooper. The context we are discussing is Imperial troopers and their gear. Please note, I'm not opposed to the idea persay...I am just giving you the context of what was already discussed w/ previous LMOs and the CRL team when the update was made and why the the decision was made to omit the belts. What you're addressing is not a new request/find...I actually found the CRL discussion on this in our staff area from last term...I can't link you to it unfortunately because it's in the staff area but I was actually the one who noticed the belts (and the absence of any body armor which the initial IAT CRL had) and inquired about them. The armor was pulled from the CRL and the belt was shot down (which I initially advocated for). The reasoning...if it's not standard trooper issue, it sets a precedent for anything picked up by any trooper at any moment (whether on screen or in comic panel) to be labeled "optional" even if that's not the intent of the costume. Use your imagination...that precedent can lead to alot of unintended consequences on what can be considered optional (i.e. in ROTJ Vader hands Luke's lightsaber to an Imperial officer...sabers optional for officers?). Simply being in a panel is not necessarily enough for acceptance. Context of use of the item must be taken into account. You are more than welcome to present the case and evidence...just be aware that there is a wider perspective as to the omission. I've contacted @toddo for his input as he worked on this w/ @izzi at the time. @stormtrooperguy and @Hask (our current LMO liasons) can add some perspective as well if they'd like.

What's your size dimensions?

@Blackwatch I would adjust L1 to say jackboot and commuter. Then, the "bloused" line you can add "If using jackboot" or some verbiage such as that as, correct me if I'm wrong, a commuter boot would not require blousing right?

I believe we discussed this in the updated IAT discussion (possibly the original as well..I'd need to go check). @Blackwatch would have better recollection possibly. From what I remember, the discussion was that the belt and TK options were not going to be accepted because they were not parts of the actual trooper garb...rather they were scavenged parts from survivors throughout the battle in this comic (note, I've never read the comic) and these were simply IATs using whatever gear they could find at this point. If I could find the entire comic(s), I would love to read that for myself. We should not point to rebel or hero options as standards for our troopers (i.e. Han or Luke...they aren't ever approvable on our end in the Legion). That's not good practice. Regarding the Mudtroopers, the majority DO have the second belt...I'm not sure we can safely point to them having a 2nd belt which is a norm as reasoning for why we should allow TK belts. I'd like to see the context of the belt usage. I'm going to see if I can find those thread discussions to see if my memory serves correct.

The faces make this so much more entertaining ? Kit looks Anovos yes? You won't find much better build advice than from @ukswrath and knowing him...you're prob not annoying him at all. Tremendous and self-less resource. No such thing as a stupid question...better to ask than make a mistake that's so much more difficult to repair.

I'm going to call in @Fivezero to help w/ feedback on the 3D models...he's waaaay more knowledgeable on that than me (not hard...I have zero experience in it lol). Excellent work! Is it safe to say you're starting from scratch on this? LMOs are deciding if they want me to tab this under the same CRL as the Rebels version or create a new CRL...this feels like a a more "realistic" version. On Gar...interesting, no balaclava. The jumpsuit appears to have texture. Can you grab a closeup of the grunt so we can see if there's texture there?

@splinter @Tarrif @Gaugerage could prob chime in if you go start that thread in the swamptrooper section chaos mentioned.

Looks much better. I'm not a 3D artist by any means...when I look at the canister it feels like it may be sitting just a hair high still (so possibly a hair big). I only get that "feel" though when I look at the angled renders...not the full on back render.

I think that's acceptable if the look is achieved for Level 1 so long as it's worded into the boot requirements as to how that look should be achieved. Would we then want to make commuter a Level 2 requirement OR is the consensus that based on the references it could be either commuter or a bloused jack?

@Blackwatch @TX-15293 how is our text proposal looking? All discussions on it set and ready for review?

Thanks @MrShadow!!! You are doing the grunt correct? Gar w/ helmet available or no?

@Fivezero has a thing for big blasters. Not surprised to see this lol.

@MrShadow Great to have you back in on this. You must be a mind reader because it was on my agenda to reach out and see where this was at. Regarding the Force Arena model...you have 360 references. I don't see why it wouldn't be approvable. I would need to speak to the LMOs to see if we should launch it as it's own separate CRL from the animated Rebels version or if it would be a tabbed version under the same CRL. Either way...I think you would be clear. Any reference of the weaponry used? Additionally, do you know if Gar Saxon and any other commandos are in the game that you could find references for?

Post up some pics for us to show off when ur approved. This costume is a rarity. Heres one i found of ya. I think i took one too but it didnt come out as nice.

I really need to get a 3D printer. Can you send me a link to purchase that cheaper one lolololol?

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It is being modified but yea I don't anticipate it being much work if any if he built it to the current CRL. Small world...I lived in Enfield till I was 5 and my parents moved us down here to Florida. I don't remember it much but that is where I'm from exactly lol.

So you were the Flametrooper in Chicago??? I got a pic of ya. Approved yet by chance? What's left to be done?

Just so you are aware...there will be a slight update to the CRL itself in the next week or so that we've worked on and had proposed for almost a year now. It primarily adjusts some Level 2 requirements. If you have any questions about it, I can give you more details and walk you through what you may need to adjust if you are going to attempt a Level 2 Specialist submission here (which would be awesome as we currently only have one Swamptrooper approved for Level 2). As far as Level 1 approval through your local GML, I would imagine you should be ok. If you'd like us to take a look at it, feel free to post full body pics and we can as well. P.S. What part of CT are you from? I was born there and still visit almost every year to see my in-laws (and to eat my favorite pizza...Sally's Apizza!!!)

I've contacted our LMO reps for Spec Ops...they've given me an initial response, but will mull it over further. I will update once they've had more time to think it through. I will say...pointing to FISD as to why we should allow it...that standard and logic cuts both ways. We can just as easily point to our CRL and cite it for why the sabers should be removed from the FISD CRLs. As you stated, FISD compliance with that wouldn't be expected. Likewise, it shouldn't be expected in reverse as well (in this case to Spec Ops). Detachments do have a level of autonomy from one another. I'd also add that items can be removed as readily as they can be added...reference the use of FX helmets for TKs...once allowable but no longer. Just because something is allowed doesn't necessarily make that the best decision or standard. Standards and "rules" (none really written in stone) evolve from year to year as LMO teams change (for better or worse). LMOs aren't perfect...one rejecting the sabers can be viewed as a "mistake" just as a previous accepting them could be as well (which is my personal stance on the issue though I don't have a stake in the outcome aside from following what I think is the best course for the CRL and our detachment). In any case, thanks for presenting your case. I do appreciate the dialogue. No need to withdraw your stance...we respect it and we may very well be missing an angle on this. As I said above, I'll update on what the current LMO team suggests asap and we will go from there. It is my goal to see this CRL greenlit for the entire community this term and I think we have the momentum to get it done sooner than later regardless. Thanks again!!!

Hey there! Remind me who was #8??? As far as the boots...yea, they should not lay under the knees...4 inches off looks like a bit much. I would say your better off 2"...possibly even 3"

There is visual evidence of Starkiller (as a skin) in this costume...not a TFU Shadowtrooper...this CRL is specifically for TFU Shadowtroopers. Precedent in the Legion would not support the costume in my opinion...to me it falls in line w/ Finn as FOTK (not-approvable within the 501st) or Han and Luke TKs. At this point, the general consensus and precedent among the CRL team and @Fivezero is that the sabers should not be included in the Shadowtrooper CRL. What you are advocating for is a Starkiller Shadowtrooper...those are the references provided that have the sabers, not a standard trooper which is our focus here. I respectfully disagree w/ the position of tossing out the place of the costume within the Star Wars universe. That does (and has in other situations) played a role. I'm open-minded however and will at the least consult the LMOs. Out of curiosity, are there other differences between the Starkiller skin aside from the lightsabers?

@rickyboyblue @Tarrif??? I'd help but I have a degree of color-blindness honestly.