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I just wanted to respond to this comment, our team are very responsive in the GML section of the main legion forums, so either will suffice If you are finding you are not getting timely responses from the detachments there I would raise this with the LMO team so they can follow up with the relevant detachments

Yes, and if you agree to the terms and conditions we will make sure you get them!

Yeah so this is a difference between between Shadow Troopers and Shadow Scouts

Hopefully the weather will improve enough for you to be able to do some work!

Yeah I prefer the satin/matt look personally. Glossy is for the showboats ?

Thanks everyone for continuing the work, looking good! Strap appears to be fixed to the sides but not all the way around. There is some buckling of the strap in one of the references supporting this. Not sure I like the term Googles worn on the brim, maybe something like "placed just above the brim as shown in pics..."? The lens is both missing and not in some shots, however I think it would nice to include the lens as a requirement in the CRL. Although I'm not sure how people would feel about that?

I was looking through all the reference materials here and over on the IOC thread, can we please have a confirmation of the general colour of the armor? I may have missed something somewhere? When I look at the colour of the armour compared to some other items I get a sense of a very dark grey/green, especially when compared to the straps, trim etc. I chucked a couple of reference images into photoshop and did some colour correction and supports my assumption, but I also know that surrounding reflections, lighting and filters used in post production that have an impact on what we see. @fb501 @Tarrif Maybe you guys can confirm? I saw somewhere that Fraser said the chin cup strap was also grey, but what about the chin cup itself? Is the buckle at the back of the helmet also affixed?

I should state that it is unclear how and where the goggles are affixed to the helmet. Is the buckle at the back of the helmet strap affixed? Is it the goggle frame? All of the above? We should probably stick to more generic specifics in this case.

That's a great question. I think they should be shown as affixed to the helmet however wording the text in a manner that states they are affixed but can be separate pieces and not a single molded piece.My understanding is the production helmets had the goggles as separate and have glued(?) them to the helmet. I'm not sure of the method used to affix them, but as long as they appear fixed is probably good. I'm not sure how we could ascertain how things are affixed when trying to assess for L1 or L2?

Yes, standing up a detachment requires the following at a minimum: Project Plan - who is doing what and when Funding - for web hosting, domain etc New Detachment Proposal - what do you seek to achieve? What is the intended CRL library? Are you taking costumes from more than on Detachment? Change Plan / Communications - all members need to be consulted. What is in it for them? Who else is impacted/other detachments? etc etc Staff - make sure you have enough skilled resources to not only form a detachment, but run it effectively going forward DWM - someone skilled in setting up forum software and migrating data DCAs need skilled costume builders to be able to provide advice and guidance - also people who are familiar with CRL creation DL, XO, DPRO, DMBO etc Logos/branding and detachment mission statement. Web hosting, software configuration, domain name registration and Data Migration Plan Those are a few things off the top of my head.

Damn beat me to it LOL

From the visual resources I would suggest that the telemetry unit be placed in line with/on the strap and concur that fixed goggles be a L2 optional. It would be great if we could get a nice clean shot of the telemetry unit

Hi all, the Imperial Army Troopers as seen on Andor are coming to Spec Ops. As for the formation of a new detachment that is up to you the membership. I will leave this discussion open and in the meantime I’m going to review all the feedback left so far and see what we can do to align with member expectations.

Hey there, the steel mesh is definitely viewable and the black backing material (while not specifically viewable in some reference pics) is seen on the Anovos reproductions and we can tell from the references that no light is passing through the mesh, therefore must have some kind of backing to prevent light from passing through. I think what the team are trying to show you is that the mesh is glued directly to the helmet which then can be backed with the black material after. If they showed you the finished piece you wouldn't be able to see the mesh. I hope this makes sense.

Cc @Tarrif

I haven't really spoken much about this topic because I wanted to hear from everyone first (and I moved from Sydney to Perth which is around 4000km). You guys are the boots on the ground and it is my opinion that the membership drives these conversations. I don't currently hold an IA costume, but have been seriously considering as a cool option for being able to travel with. I think everyone has made some great points and even learned some new things along the way, so thank you! My own personal opinion is; it makes me sad to think about the IA leaving Spec Ops, not just because they're cool characters but because the founding members of the IA were outright rejected in the beginning and our Detachment took them on so without Spec Ops, there would be no Imperial Army! If there is one thing I have learned about our detachment is that we never shy away from any task, no matter how cool it might be or how much work it is involved - we get stuck in! The IA detachment discussion has come up before and we always assumed that if the membership grew to a point where it could be sustainable then we would support that 100%. In the meantime our focus has been on growing the Imperial Army and ensuring we have specialist staff available to guide members through their builds, which I think we have done very well. As for the new troopers from Andor, both Spec Ops and IOC have made a claim to the Andor troopers and it is currently under vote with the LMO team. I have stated that we currently hold the library for all Imperial Army troopers and we should logically be the home irrespective of any detachment placement (existing or future). I also stated that there are a lot of visual similarities between these new troopers and the Mudtroopers. The vote is up for seven days and we will know the outcome from that point on.

This will be a thread for discussion of the Imperial Army Troopers as seen in Andor. ** 2023/04/22 Update - CRL with versions 1+2 is now live @ https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_imperial_army_trooper_andor** ------------------------------------------ This will be the main listing and we'll tackle each part piece by piece (green is done, yellow is WIP, and red is not finalized): Hat - Version One, Version Two Helmet - Version Three Goggles - Version Three Tunic Chest Armor - Version Two, Version Three Back Armor - Version Two, Version Three Shoulder - Version Two, Version Three Biceps - Version Two, Version Three Gloves Belt Trousers Boots E-10.5 Blaster ----------FINALIZED TEXT GOES BELOW THIS LINE------------ Description: Imperial Army Trooper: Andor Prefix: TX Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment Context: Star Wars: Andor (TV Series) The troopers of the Imperial Army were sent to the Imperial occupied planet of Aldhani. Their main duty was guarding the Imperial base at Nasma Klain as well as the Alkenzi Airbase from any threats local and foreign. Special Notes: The armor parts are a very dark grey shade, or as specified in each part description, and made from one of these (or similar) types of materials: Fiberglass ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene) PLA, ABS, PETG (3D Printing) Polyurethane Rubber 3D Printed parts are permitted but all print lines and other artifacts must be removed. Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy. Hat - Version One, Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Helmet - Version Three An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned with the rim. The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is black. The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. A raised lip covers the edge of the helmet rim. Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. The helmet is to be painted very dark grey to match the armor. The helmet may feature a black chin cup with grey webbing strap. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The helmet has a webbing style head suspension similar to work hard hats. Imperial Code Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Goggles and strap are permanently mounted to the helmet, with the telemetry unit mounted directly atop the goggle strap. Goggles - Version Three Goggles shall have an aged chrome or silver frame with detail painting and weathering to match reference image. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggles have a tinted lens featuring two flat panels on each side. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic. The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25.4mm) elastic is threaded. A large buckle greeblie on the back side through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a square inset into the buckle matching the helmet color. Goggles are worn just above the brim of the helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. Goggles and strap are permanently mounted to the helmet. Goggle strap has the Telemetry Unit mounted directly to it on the right side of the helmet. Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where the Velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Chest Armor - Version Two, Version Three Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate. Buckles are gunmetal or silver with black recesses. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is black. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. The elongated oval is painted Humbrol red #19, or equivalent. The raised rectangle greeblie is painted silver or light grey. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. A white or silver rectangle is present on this raised square. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted a very dark grey. Greenish undertones in certain lighting conditions is acceptable. An acceptable range of colors include RLM 70 to Sherwin Williams SW6994 Greenblack, or equivalent. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver. Back Armor - Version Two, Version Three Back plate is painted to match the chest armor and helmet. Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. Chest and back plate meet at the sides. The backplate features painted details that vary from trooper to trooper. Acceptable colors for these details are either silver or gunmetal, but one color must be chosen. Mix and match of the detail items is not permitted. There are 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. Hose connecters are painted to match the strap raised slot, strap buckle and recessed box color. Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside, all painted silver or gunmetal. The silver or gunmetal paint does not leave the edge of the box opening. The vents at the top of the boxes may have the openings darkened with weathering. Four raised bars approximately .375" (10mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present. Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside that are painted to match the recessed box color. Light weathering is permitted. Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recesses. There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. The raised slots are painted either silver or gunmetal grey. Shoulder straps are black and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The chest buckle shall match the raised slot color. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The hose fittings are angled forward. There is a recessed hole approximately .31" (7.8mm) above the top left corner of the left recessed box. There are two indented squares approximately 1/4 "x 1/4" (5mm x 5mm) aligned vertically above the right upper corner of the left recessed box. There is a raised step on the bottom of the main back box. Shoulder Armor - Version Two, Version Three Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other. The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical. Shoulders should have a longer flat edge that covers top of bicep with a shorter flat edge that connects to chest armor. Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. Shoulders are painted to match the armor and helmet. Shoulders are mounted to the shoulder strap via a bracket and 1" (25mm) or 1.25" (40mm) webbing strap. Optional rank stripes located on the left shoulder may be present. The stripes are painted on. The white stripe is approximately 1" (25mm" wide bordered by a black stripes approximately 5/16" (6.5mm) wide. The stripes may be semi gloss to gloss in color. Biceps - Version Two, Version Three Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top. Biceps are painted to match the armor and helmet. Gloves Black gloves made of smooth leather or leather-like material. Gloves shall have all logos removed. There is no decorative stitching on the gloves. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Gloves shall have a U-shaped adjustment at the wrist. Dents brand gloves or accurate replica of Dents gloves. Belt The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge. The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle. The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide x 1" (25.4mm) thick. Boxes shall be painted olive grey or gunmetal with a flat finish. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Belt has a groove at top and bottom edge of the belt along its length. Belt boxes are smaller than Rogue One boxes, being 2.5" (67mm) tall x 1.75" wide (45mm) x 1" (25.4mm) thick. Belt boxes feature a pill shaped indentation at the top of the box. Trousers Olive green pants matching the tunic and hat. Fabric is a denim textured material with a visible weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. Boots Calf high black leather or leather like material. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. If seams are present on the shaft they are at the rear only. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1" (25.4mm). This need not be functional. Jackboot buckles should not be shiny/can be painted dingy grey or gun-metal color. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/leather, it is painted black. German "jack boot" style boots are most canon. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. E-10.5 Blaster Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. The magazine is longer than Original Trilogy blasters. Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style. A sliding stock is mounted on the endcap of the Blaster. The retractable feature need not function. A Sling may be attached on one or two points of the Blaster. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Blaster shall be based on a real or replica S&T Sterling L2A1 AEG Airsoft Gun. (Folding Stock does not need to function) If an Airsoft Sterling is used, it must not function. Grip assembly and blaster dimensions are based on an S&T Airsoft sterling. The recessed strip behind the bolt may be hollow, filled or partially filled. Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) 1943 model M38 Telescope. Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed. A grille shaped detail piece is attached on top of the Magazine. It features 8 slots. 6 rows of T-Tracks cover the Sterling receiver holes except for the lower left row with the bayonet lug. A sling swivel may be fitted near the muzzle, on the same lower left row as the bayonet lug. A 3-Slot Picatinny rail is fitted on the row above the bayonet lug. The rail is affixed with two screws. The screws do not interfere with the rail slots. A sling swivel is fitted underneath the stock extension. If a sling is attached, it is made of webbing and uses snap hook buckles. The sling is attached to the swivel underneath the stock. The stock is modelled after a 416C pattern. The buttplate on the stock is smooth and has a pill shaped greeblie with three holes. Two of the holes are circular, the central is rectangular. The buttstock matches the size and shape of those seen on screen, being shorter overall than other Rogue One era buttstocks. The stock has the appearance of being two pieces joined together.

Apologies if I come across as hostile, I am just direct and to the point. From my perspective I just want to help you in the most efficient way possible, so understanding what you intend to do is important. If I can summarise this conversation; you do not wish to pursue CRL revision and will build your costume to the current CRL. Is this correct?

Thanks for the reminder on how we operate, however I’m not entirely sure what you are trying to communicate now. Can you please state clearly what your goal is here?

Hi all I have been hearing about discussion about Imperial Army should have its own detachment and it has since branched off into several discussions. Some of the ideas discussed have been as follows: 1. Create new detachment 2. Create Detachment Squads 3. Move Imperial Army to IOC I know a lot of people don’t really bother with the main forums and I feel like there have been a lot of discussions outside of the detachment where the Imperial Army resides, so want to extend the opportunity to you here to discuss freely. We took the Imperial Army when no one else wanted to, and have been proud to watch it grow. The formation of a separate detachment has been discussed before but at the time no one had the appetite to follow through. Maybe now there is enough people, time and money to attempt a project of this size. It is likely that any of the options above will require a huge amount of work. The Detachment Squad idea would probably represent the least amount of work with the formation of a new detachment being the most. If there is enough appetite amongst Imperial Army members we can put it to a formal vote and give some weight to the larger discussion. But I really want to hear from the membership and will support you 100%

Congratulations @Fivezero you are the first TFU Jumptrooper! Well done!

Additional references from Red Hot https://www.redhotgameart.com/en/by-title/jedi

Yep they check out, I managed to grab their renders as well

Hey Andy I was going to answer your PM but instead I will address it here with a disclaimer; we have not discussed this properly yet as a team. To answer your question up front, there is no plan to update/align the CRL to the RotJ Biker Scout. The Shadow Scout is arguably problematic for a few reasons Naming of Shadow Scout - We have more references that point to the name Storm Commando than Shadow Scout. There is probably some historical discussion buried in the old Zeta boards about this. I have heard that even Storm Commando was introduced later and that the original was far different than what we have as our CRL. References do not support an open collar. The current CRL does not match the game references in some instances. Aligning fully with the RotJ Scout for the sake of ease will cause drift from the actual references. It is certainly worthwhile of discussion and while we certainly try to align our CRLs where we can, I do not think it is as simple as saying "the Biker Scout CRL is X, therefore Shadow Scout = X too". I am more than happy to open a more full discussion about the subject and if we have enough evidence we can look at proposing changes to the CRL @RAIDER@furiosa