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Congratulations @Fivezero you are the first TFU Jumptrooper! Well done!

Additional references from Red Hot https://www.redhotgameart.com/en/by-title/jedi

Yep they check out, I managed to grab their renders as well

Hey Andy I was going to answer your PM but instead I will address it here with a disclaimer; we have not discussed this properly yet as a team. To answer your question up front, there is no plan to update/align the CRL to the RotJ Biker Scout. The Shadow Scout is arguably problematic for a few reasons Naming of Shadow Scout - We have more references that point to the name Storm Commando than Shadow Scout. There is probably some historical discussion buried in the old Zeta boards about this. I have heard that even Storm Commando was introduced later and that the original was far different than what we have as our CRL. References do not support an open collar. The current CRL does not match the game references in some instances. Aligning fully with the RotJ Scout for the sake of ease will cause drift from the actual references. It is certainly worthwhile of discussion and while we certainly try to align our CRLs where we can, I do not think it is as simple as saying "the Biker Scout CRL is X, therefore Shadow Scout = X too". I am more than happy to open a more full discussion about the subject and if we have enough evidence we can look at proposing changes to the CRL @RAIDER@furiosa

My take on this (as I see this across other costumes) that there is an undersuit and then gaskets. The ribbing and smooth sections you are seeing is part of the additional gasket set.

I have updated the wiki and updated the main post regarding the Cod/Ab, Kidney and Posterior

Re: separate pieces - I was looking at the L2 from the Shadow Stormtrooper and we have not specified separate pieces but agree to keep it uniform as possible. Reverted back.

Hey guys Just went over this again with a fine tooth comb and have made some general changes to simplify where possible. For example instead of stating colour and weathering as separate line items, I have now integrated them together. I feel like this reads better "... is white with moderate weathering..." Also seeing as the Abdomen and Cod are one item, I named them Abdomen & Cod which then led to the change for the Kidney & Posterior. This reduced the amount or repetition and also kept the flow similar to Ab and Cod. With the Jetpack I might suggest some wording changes: **There is a beveled and raised center section that is white in color which starts from the bottom white band of the main fuel tank to half way between the upper two bands. This center section has two recessed rectangular sections. to **On the main tank there is a rectangular box aligned to the center of the tank that is white & moderately weathered. The box starts at the bottom band on the main tank and finishes approximately half way between the upper two bands. The top and bottom of the box is bevelled, with top edge appearing curved as shown. There are two recessed rectangular sections on the outer panel of the box. @IcyTrooper

Please see our FAQs for posting pics As for the "battle pose" argument I agree to an extent that yes it will have an impact on the length (lowered stance, skewed shoulders etc), but I am not convinced that this is the case in your submission. Here is another reference taken from regular stance: \ As you can see the coat hem is quite low. Looking further at your pics it is hard to tell if you have the right boots. Please follow instructions provided above and attach some high quality images.

I would also add that the coat isn't long enough based off this reference For the coat we don't have any really good references to determine the exact coat, I believe we have come across a WWII motorcycle slicker that may be equivalent, but it is unclear at this point if we can use it to finish the CRL As @JAFO stated we need more high quality pics to assess this better. Please also bear in mind that we don't approve costumes without a CRL now, so the more effort that goes toward building the CRL the better.

To me it looks like glare. Similar glare can be seen at the back of the shins in the first pic you posted

I think that this is the most important consideration in the argument for inclusion. Here is my summary review of what has been discussed so far: The tabletop game expands on information we learned from Battlefront II; up until now we are only aware of Inferno Squad which is a commando unit within the Imperial Special Forces. We have several new references to draw from: One illustration art work depicting an ISF Unit Leader and two ISF Troopers. Pictures capturing the miniatures for both Inferno Squadron commander Iden Versio (evidenced by TL50 Blaster) and an ISF Trooper. Instructional pictures and artwork for the following characters: Imperial Special Forces Unit Leader Imperial Special Forces Trooper T-21 Special ForcesTrooper There are some minor inconsistencies between the illustration and the instuctional pictures Differences? Preliminary discussion of the references indicates that there are some shared characteristics between existing CRLs for the Inferno Squadron with the following exceptions: Instead of the red Inferno Squad insignia and red Imperial cog on the front of the helmet, the ISF trooper has white insignia Figurine has two imperial cogs Illustration has white Inferno Squad and assumed matching white Imperial Cog No red accents at all (stripes, insignias etc) Lenses are standard black/smoke (are we to assume this? Or is it like the Inferno Lens but black instead of red?) Imperial Special Forces Trooper the baseline character can be Del Meeko with additional parts from Iden Versio: Ammo Belt – as per Iden Versio CRL. Can be clearly seen with all matching details in 3D sculpts and artwork (#1 and #2). Also a perfect match to that of the unique Iden Versio sculpt for Star Wars: Legion. Thermal Detonator – as per Iden Versio CRL. Can be clearly seen with all matching details and greebles in 3D sculpts, and a perfect match to that of Iden's unique sculpt. Colour cannot be seen in colour artwork, but there is no reasonable cause to assume any deviation. Imperial Special Forces Unit Leader the baseline character can be Del Meeko? with additional parts from Iden Versio: Ammo Belt & Thermal Detonator as per above Pauldron - Iden? Anything else? T21 Special Forces Trooper the baseline character can be Del Meeko? with additional parts from Iden Versio and Hask: Ammo Belt & Thermal Detonator as per above Pauldron - Iden? Bandolier/ammo belt - Hask? Anything else? Please check all items in RED as I would like to have a full understanding here. One concern I have with these characters is that from a layman's perspective, without the red accents (especially if you use the imperial cogs on the helmet) it looks like a TIE Pilot with some additional items like a different blaster, pauldron, ammo belts and thermal detonator. I would therefore make the case to use the insignia on the helmet in the illustration to distinguish between both TIE Pilots and Imperial Special Forces. We would like the LMO team to assess if we can create a new set of CRLs based on the three sources; Existing Inferno Squadron CRLs, Illustration from the game and the remains references coming from the Instructional Pictures Let me know if I missed anything else

That's around a 60% increase in size and in my opinion is a little bit too large for the size of your build. If I was in your position I would reprint the boxes 1:1 (as much as it pains me to say that!)

Hey sorry, been caught up in a lot. Re: Weathering we usually specify for each piece as evident in Mudtrooper CRL, and it appears to be that some items are more heavily weathered than others. The bottom of the shins, the posterior and kidney for example have slightly heavier weathering that other parts, I think it's worthwhile noting these. I get concerned about burying weathering in the special notes as it often get's overlooked. I think if we have a phrase that matches something like "weathering is consistent with the photo reference" or similar can help too. Re: Valleys - cool I get it now, there's a recessed area (approx. 5mm deep where the ears sit, and it continues along the top of the tube(? where the tube stripes are, do we refer to this technically as "the tubes") and terminates at a right angle approximately 2"(?) from the front and 1/4" from the base of the helmet. Don't know really what to call it but maybe something like this: I think everything is taking shape nicely, thank you for your efforts! I'll get the rest of the team to chime in as well!

As long as it is realistic clone armour, then yes.

Looking great mate. I completely understand the challenge of working with 3D prints and trying to get a nice surface. I hit this point a couple of times working on my Death Trooper and it honestly feels like you're going nowhere sometimes, but trust me it will pass. You're making tremendous progress so don't be too hard on yourself. It's not a race and it's definitely not the end of the world if it's not absolutely perfect. When you spend so much time this close up to things, you notice all the imperfections and weaknesses but often fail to step back a few metres and take a look with a fresh set of eyes. Having a break from your build might be a great thing because you can come back rested, rejuvenated and ready to tackle it again!

As this would appear on the surface to simply be the same costume as the Phase 2 Electrostaff Specialist with some paint/colour changes, I shall start with a simple copy and paste from our recently finalised Electrostaff rewrite, and we can work through one by one making changes as necessary. This will be the main listing and we'll tackle each part piece by piece (green is done, yellow is WIP, and red is not finalized): Helmet Under Suit and Neck Seal Shoulder Bib Pauldron Shoulder Armor Upper Arm Armor Elbow Armor Forearm Armor Hand Plates Gloves Chest Armor Back Armor Abdomen Armor Cod Armor Posterior Armor Belt Kama Thigh Armor Knee Armor Lower Leg Armor Boots DC-15S Blaster DC-15A Blaster Description: Purge Trooper Phase I: Commander Prefix: TX Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment Context: Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Purge Troopers served the Imperial Inquisitors within the Galactic Empire. They were specifically trained in order to assist the Inquisitors in hunting down the surviving Jedi after Order 66. Purge Trooper Commanders lead these units, and can be distinguished by red markings on their helmets, pauldrons, shoulder armour and kamas. Special Notes: The armor parts shall be satin and made from one of these (or similar) types of materials: Fiberglass ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene) PLA, ABS, PETG (3D Printing) Polyurethane Rubber All armor pieces will have light to moderate weathering that is gray in color. All weathering will be consistent across the costume with no piece(s) standing out from the others. Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy 3D Printed parts are permitted but all print lines and other artifacts must be removed. Helmet Realistic style Purge Trooper helmet. Note that this helmet differs from the Airborne Trooper helmet sculpt. Armor is painted satin black. Helmet has a rounded dome with no mohawk. Helmet has a narrow red eye lens. The etched lines on the face of a standard Airborne Trooper helmet are not present. Along each side of the eye lens are semi circular intake vents with a protruding tube extending towards back of helmet. Vent does not feature open slits. Vent features twelve raised, vertical bars that are evenly spaced along the length of the vent. Area below the nose bridge splits open to the base and has a gray, vertical inset vocoder column detail. The front face of the delta piece features two raised rectangles. The front face of the delta piece features 10 ribs. Base of helmet has two widened ventilation tube bands with the widest tube band on bottom. Ends of the smaller tube band, above the helmet base, have a black mesh opening in front. Two black round aerators are located in the split area in front of lower tube band. The front edge of the lowest tube band is painted gray. A small red square is painted on the underside of the vocoder opening in the lowest tube band. Base tube band has elliptical shaped inset ventilation detail with vertical ribbing at the front cheek areas. The vents are painted dark gray. The front end of the vent insert is squared off Helmet has an indented band that extends around the back of the helmet. Squared off rib detail at the base of the helmet dome is a different tone of satin black. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. Visor lens is red. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The visor has a red lighting effect that matches the reference photos. Undersuit and Neck Seal Undersuit has one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. All materials are low-sheen leather or leather-like material. Neck seal may be integrated into the suit, or worn over it. Neck seal has 1.5” (38.1mm) vertical ribs. Spacings of the ribs given below are approximate. Shirt has vertical 1” (25.4mm) ribbing across the torso. The horizontal arm ribs taper from approximately 1" (25.4) wide at the torso to ¾" (19mm) at the wrist. Sleeves are joined to the torso with a curved ¼” (6.3mm) rib. The pants have a heavier taper in the vertical rib spacing, starting at 1.5" (38.1mm) wide at the waist to ¾" (19mm) above the ankle. Ribbing appears to meet behind the cod piece. Shoulder Bib Material is low-sheen leather or leather-like material, matching the undersuit. Spacing of the ribs given below are approximate. Center front of the bib has three 1.5" (38.1mm) vertical ribs, with 1.5" (38.1mm) horizontal ribbing on either side. Center rear of the bib has ten 1.5" (38.1mm) vertical ribs, with 1.5" (38.1mm) horizontal ribbing on either side. There is a ½" (12.7mm) rib running along the outside of the garment and around the inside of the neck. Pauldron A black pauldron made of leather or a leather-like material, worn over the right shoulder. There are six vertical panels at the front, and six at the rear. On the right side of the trooper, these are joined by the main, largest panel of the pauldron over the right shoulder. On the left side, these are joined by a smaller inverted trapezoid panel at the side of the neck. The pauldron has hems of the same leather or leather like material running around the full inside and outside circumferences of the pauldron. The main shoulder area of the pauldron is black. A black strap runs under the right arm, attached to the front and back of the pauldron at the points where the front and back ribs meet the largest panel of the pauldron. Strap is attached to the front and the back using a gunmetal popper or rivet. A black strap, made from leather or leather-like material, extends from the front left corner, under the left arm and attaches at the back left corner. Attachment is out of sight, under the pauldron. The strap has a buckle attached under the left armpit that resembles a ratchet-strap, as per the reference image. Three ammo cartridges are attached to the strap over the chest. Each cartridge has a raised U-shaped profile at the bottom, and a recessed rectangular notch in the center of the top. Shoulder Armor Purge Trooper style shoulder armor. Shoulders are tear drop in shape with all rounded edges, matching the reference images. Armor is painted satin black. Each shoulder has a red Imperial Cog emblem, sized proportionally to the wearer and matching the reference images. There is no visible method of attachment of the shoulder armor to the suit. Upper Arm Armor Purge Trooper style bicep armor. Armor is painted satin black. There is an ammo strap with three ammo cartridges present on the right bicep. Ammo cartridges are satin black. The strap consists of an approximately ¾" (19.05mm) or 1” (25.4mm) black leather or leather-like band. Armor has a front hard line outside edge and inside rounded edge, with indented area on back. Armor is seamless. No visible traces of how the armor was assembled are shown. Elbow Armor Realistic style elbow Armor. Armor is painted satin black. Elbow straps have a raised detail line at the top and bottom of the strap. Armor has two parallel dashed detail slots on each outside edge of elbow at the strap connection. Elbows are mirror images of each other with a notched area on the outside of the elbow above the detail marks. Forearm Armor Purge Trooper style forearm armor. Armor is painted satin black. Forearms have flatter elbow openings than standard clone trooper. Forearms have a top ridge that transitions to a flattened triangle area at the wrist end. Right forearm has a compad with 8 small buttons, 1 large main button, and 1 slightly smaller rectangular button closest to the elbow. The button closest to the elbow is painted red. The compad base has a angular lower panel with a recessed cutline. Two white chevron stripes are present on the outer half of each forearm and point towards the shoulder. Each stripe is approximately 1" (25.4mm) wide with a ¼" (6.35mm) gap in between. On the right forearm, the compad does not overlap the white stripes. Armor is seamless. No visible traces of how the armor was assembled are shown. Hand Plates Realistic style hand plates. Hand plates are painted satin black. Hand plates have a top curving ridge that come to a point over the index or middle finger just past the main knuckle of the hand. Gloves Black in color, made of either rubber, Nomex, leather, or leather-like material, with no visible straps or logos/ designs. The fingers are enclosed, non-textured. Chest Armor Realistic style Chest Armor. Armor is painted satin black. Two pill shaped recesses on the lower outside edge of the right pectoral area. Chest and back armor match together at the sides with no open gap. A seam line is present. Shoulder straps are slotted into the detail ridges of the top connection points or attached behind them. Bottom edges will be beveled, as should be the lower edge of the raised chest section. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Shoulder straps must be slotted into the detail ridges of the top connection points. Back Armor Realistic style back armor. Armor is painted satin black. Back has a detail plate with four circles on top, two elongated areas on the lower left, and vents on the lower right. Back and chest armor match together at the sides with no open gap. A seam line is present. Shoulder straps are slotted into the detail ridges of the top connection points or attached behind them. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Shoulder straps must be slotted into the detail ridges of the top connection points. Abdomen Armor and Kidney Armor Realistic style Abdomen Armor. Armor is painted stain black. Eight ¼" (6.35mm) diameter holes, with four holes inside each indented channel of the abdomen. Abdomen section wraps around the wearer’s body and is sealed at sides or at the back. Seam line along the sides or back has no gap. Abdomen is completely contained under the chest and back armor. Abdomen aligns with the codpiece with the seam line hidden by the belt. Kidney armor is rectangular and covers any visible seams at the rear of the abdomen armor. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. Cod Armor Realistic style cod armor. Armor is painted satin black. Cod and posterior armor connect at the hips. Recessed line design at lower part of the front armor. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Indented battle damage visible to the left side of where the Kama buckle attaches that matches the reference photos. Posterior Armor Realistic style posterior armor. Armor is painted satin black. Cod and posterior armor connect at the hips. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Each side of the posterior armor connects to the cod armor via a single snap that matches the color of the armor. The connection point and shape matches that of the reference image. Belt Realistic style clone belt, belt boxes, and detonator. Belt, boxes, and detonator are painted satin black. Belt front between front boxes has three (3) vertical rectangle indents which are spaced apart by two protruding rectangle areas. The rest of the belt is flat surfaced with raised edging on the top and bottom that run along the rest of the belt. Eight (8) belt boxes are attached to the belt with four (4) on each side. The two largest boxes are in front with an angled top surface that is higher toward the center. The smallest boxes are located behind the front boxes, about ⅛" (3.2mm) apart and have an angled end on top. The medium sized matching boxes, with flat top cover are about ⅛" (3.2mm) from the smallest boxes. Left rear box is spaced closer to the detonator and has two square buttons in the top left corner, and two (2) dashed indented detail marks on bottom right. Right rear box is spaced closer to the detonator and has a bar with two (2) small cylinders centered and two (2) dashed indented detail marks on the bottom left. A detonator is centered and attached to the back of the belt. Detonator tube is about 2.25" (57.15mm) diameter with wider detailed end caps. Seven (7) horizontally aligned square buttons are on the left side of the tube when viewed from behind. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boxes are notched on the back and fit flush to the belt. Back of the belt, between the rear boxes and the detonator, has horizontal ribbing. Detonator has ⅛" (3.2mm) to ¼" (6.3mm) inch wide rectangle base, connecting the detonator to the belt. Kama Purge Trooper style kama. The main body of the kama is black. Center bottom edge of kama has a vertical cut. The kama has a black trim (bias tape edging) around the outside edge. The kama bottom edge vertical cut has a thinner black trim (bias tape edging) than the outer edge. Kama wraps around cod and posterior armor under the belt. Front edges align about 1 inch (25.4mm) behind the outside edge of front belt boxes. Kama is made from a heavy fabric material like denim or duck cloth. Leather or vinyl is not acceptable. Kama extends down to align with the bottom of the knee armor. Black leather or leather-like, ¾ inch (19mm) to 1 inch (25.4mm) wide connector straps are attached to kama. Two-pronged clips that are metal or have the appearance of metal at the end of the strap connect to the buckle which is centered below the front of the belt. The buckle is metal or has the appearance of metal and is oblong with 8 sides and a hollowed center with 6 sides that matches the reference images. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The two-pronged clips at the end of each strap that connect to the buckle are metal. The buckle is metal. Thigh Armor Realistic style thigh armor. Armor is painted satin black. Two white chevron stripes are present on the front of the right thigh. Stripes are approximately 2 inches (50.8mm) wide with a ½ inch (12.7mm) gap in between. Thigh armor has a flat triangle area above the knee which transitions to a ridge line that runs up the front of the thigh to the top edge. Rear of armor has a rounded, indented area. Armor is seamless. No visible traces of how the armor was assembled are shown. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. Knee Armor Purge Trooper style knee armor. Armor is painted satin black. Knees have a raised flat area in front and are oriented towards the top of the knee. Knees bend around the front and connect to black detail clips on each side. The black details clips connect to the strap on each side. All details match the reference images. The outer leg side has straight edges from the central rib, and the plate does not extend towards the back of the knee where the clip attaches. From where the black detail clip attaches, the upper edge of the knee plate is a straight cut up-and-down. The bottom edge features a "high-arc" cut in it towards the lower leg armor. The inner leg side of the knee plate has a curved top edge and the plate protrudes further back towards the back of the leg. This side of the knee plate is actually longer than the outside. From where the black detail the clip connects, the upper edge of the knee has a gentle curve in the plate. The bottom edge features a "low-arc" cut in it towards the lower leg armor. A black colored flat strap, about 1⅛ inches (28.57mm) wide, wraps around the back of the leg. In the center of the strap there is a raised ⅝ inch (15.87mm) wide center strap. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. Lower Leg Armor Realistic style lower leg armor. Armor is painted satin black. Front of the lower leg has a flat triangular detail at the top which transitions to a ridge line that travels down the front of the armor to the ankle. Back of the lower leg has an indented arched area that continues down to the ankle. Bottom of the back side has an arched half circle engraved line at the heel. Armor is seamless, except where the calf spoon connects to the back of the lower leg indent edge. Armor has little to no weathering. Any weathering present consists of gray tones. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Calf spoon inserts connect to the lower leg inside and are secured to keep in place. Boots Black, ankle high or tall enough to cover the ankle. There shall be no black undersuit visible at the ankle. Boots are lace-less. The boots have armor detail to include a natural seam at the toe and a strap that goes over the top of the foot with two protruding disks at each side of the strap. There are no markings or labels from the shoe makers. Boot soles are flat. The outward facing edges of the boot soles are black. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The bottom of the sole is red with a black capital "I” line detail, matching the reference photos. The red does not extend to the edges of the boot bottom. DC-15S Blaster Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the DC-15S is smaller in scale than the DC-15A blaster rifle. Although it has a shorter range than that of the “A” model, it is easier to handle with a higher rate of fire and features a folding stock for braced firing. Realistic Clone Style DC-15S Blaster. Blaster may be scratch built out of plastic, wood, metal or cast in resin. Blaster has realistic Episode II or Episode III details: Wire frame sight. Folding stock. Twelve (12) radiator fins evenly spaced along the length of barrel. Igniter detail knobs. Charge magazine clip on right side. Total length is approximately 26 inches (66 cm). Because of the scale, the Hasbro version is incorrect. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Charge magazine detail on clip is metal to gun metal grey in color. Detail bolts and screws are metal to gun metal grey in color. Functioning Blue LED is installed in barrel. Igniter knobs have some copper coloring. Blaster is weathered. DC-15A Blaster Rifle Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the DC-15A is a Tibanna gas cartridge powered weapon. Hyper-ionized blue plasma bolts are more than capable of penetrating armored units. Exceptionally effective against both droids and contemporary targets. Realistic Clone Style DC-15A Blaster Rifle. Blaster rifle is scratch built out of plastic, wood, metal or cast in resin. Blaster has realistic Episode II or Episode III details: Flip up sight in down position. Ten (10) radiator fins are evenly spaced along the length of the barrel. Power setting adjuster detail lever. Sniper Scope attached under rifle in storage position. Charge magazine clip on left side. Igniter detail knobs. Total length is approximately 55 inches (139.7 cm). Because of the scale, the Hasbro version is not allowed. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Charge magazine detail on clip is metal to gun metal grey in color. Detail bolts and screws are metal to gun metal grey in color. Igniter has some copper coloring. Power setting adjuster detail lever is metal or gun metal grey. Sniper scope is metal or gun metal grey. Functioning Blue LED is installed in barrel. Blaster is weathered.

Thanks. Yes was eyeing this one up on the side

Forearms are white and fully enclosed. Two flat, raised ridge approximately 1” (25mm) wide are present around the forearm.

Biceps Biceps are white, fully enclosed and have 8 evenly spaced rectangular boxes OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There shall be a return edge that is present with a maximum width of 3/8" (10mm) width. With regards to the L2 here, is this just to ensure that there is some kind of thickness? What if this is 3D printed and there is no return edge?

Shoulder Armor to Shoulder bells are flat black in color, symmetrical and feature 26 equally spaced recessed circles that are approximately 1” (25mm) in diameter. Recessed circles are comprised of 6 columns with 5 recessed circles in the 2 center columns and 4 recessed circles in the remaining columns A 2” (50mm) gray elastic strap wraps around the inside of the bicep.