New CRL Proposal - Lieutenant Janek Sunber (SW:E)

[Obey Wann[501st]]

Following this, as I saw a kit for sale by Kerry Rowntree with a xxl jumpsuit. It might fit me, and looked pretty close to working out of the box.

I've been out of the loop, so if I'm reading this correct, there is no approved CRL on this yet, correct?

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[RAIDER[COTG]]

19 hours ago, Obey Wann said:

Following this, as I saw a kit for sale by Kerry Rowntree with a xxl jumpsuit. It might fit me, and looked pretty close to working out of the box.

I've been out of the loop, so if I'm reading this correct, there is no approved CRL on this yet, correct?

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Hey Bill...I know Kerry.  He was approved as Imperial Army...I can't say for certain though, but if memory serves correct he MAY have been approved before the the original CRL was pulled and reworked.

In the original Imperial Army Trooper, the officer was listed as a variant using the base trooper costume.  We have since gone back (after examining references more carefully) and pulled that original Army Trooper CRL removing the officer variant.  Lt. Janek Sunber (the CRL being worked here) was the only officer shown, hence his own separate "one-in-universe" CRL.

My suggestion would be to ask Kerry for pic examining the details in comparison to the draft we have written here for Sunber which is nearly complete.  I would also suggest getting input from @Blackwatch @TX-15293 @mattnelson521 or @pm07.  Hopefully they can chime in as they've done the brunt of the work on this build.

[ShovelGuy[501st]]

The new costume would be modified from the old Army Officer costume , slightly different Coveralls , different pouch layout on the belt and new accessories.  

[Obey Wann[501st]]

Thanks for the responses, guys! 

If it is not a fully approveable kit right out of the box, then I likely won't purchase it -- at least not yet. I've been burned in the past by taking on brand new kits before the supply chain or CRL/costume standards got finalized. It ended up just costing money and frustration. (Battlefront Desert Trooper especially, not to mention trailblazing the Snowclone and being on the first run of shoretroopers.)

I'm slowing down my 501st trooping (almost finished a Mando gunslinger), but I'd like something more interesting than my IC/TIE Reserve. These new Army trooper kits are cool, so I'll keep an eye out and follow as things progress. 

I appreciate it, and thanks for blazing the trail on these fun looking, comfortable kits.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

14 minutes ago, Obey Wann said:

Thanks for the responses, guys! 

If it is not a fully approveable kit right out of the box, then I likely won't purchase it -- at least not yet. I've been burned in the past by taking on brand new kits before the supply chain or CRL/costume standards got finalized. It ended up just costing money and frustration. (Battlefront Desert Trooper especially, not to mention trailblazing the Snowclone and being on the first run of shoretroopers.)

I'm slowing down my 501st trooping (almost finished a Mando gunslinger), but I'd like something more interesting than my IC/TIE Reserve. These new Army trooper kits are cool, so I'll keep an eye out and follow as things progress. 

I appreciate it, and thanks for blazing the trail on these fun looking, comfortable kits.

Totally understand.  Wrapping this up is on the high list of priorities (pending elections).

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

hey Bill! yeah its been in-work for some time, and when the other units got approved this one kind of slid from the forefront 

we do need to nail down the final details (in the text of the discussion). Im not sure how far along Kerry got, or how many were approved before the CRL was taken down.  Overall i would not say this is a difficult build, just different from the typical green Army trooper. 

[pm07[TX]]

@Raider is the jumpsuit set as far as the CRL for this goes? I have everything , I think, except  the jumpsuit and eletrobino pouch.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

3 hours ago, pm07 said:

@Raider is the jumpsuit set as far as the CRL for this goes? I have everything , I think, except  the jumpsuit and eletrobino pouch.

Looking through the thread, the jumpsuit is drafted BUT we should probably do a review of the text as that hasn't been done, to make sure it's set how we want it unless I missed something.  @Tarrif / @Blackwatch?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I'll do that now before I get busy

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

OK- to cut down confusion, Im reposting relevant images here, cropped for clarity. Ill also repost the proposed CRL as  a direct copy of of what is on the front page.

 

This is where the CRL proosal stood at last May. 

WARNING - THIS CRL IS PENDING APPROVAL AND REQUIREMENTS THEREIN ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

Updated 5/9. Please review and post your thoughts for CRL Team consideration.

Required Costume Components

The following costume components are present and appear as described below.

Appearance

For 501st approval:

• Should be clean shaven as seen in the comics.
• Hair should give the appearance of being short in length.

Hat, Olive

For 501st approval:

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material of olive green.
• Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
• Front and rear “flaps†overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
• Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches.
• Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap.â€

For level two certification (if applicable):

• Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.

Green Imperial Jumpsuit

For 501st approval:

• One piece olive green coverall / jumpsuit / flight suit with a front invisible zipper and mandarin collar.
• Each shoulder has an Imperial Army patch that sits about 1 inch below the shoulder seam
• Below the patch on each arm there is a small pocket with the rectangular flap closure that ends just above the elbow.
• 2 large chest pockets.
• There are no leg pockets below the knees.
• 2 large cargo pockets sit on the outside of the legs from around mid-thigh extending to around the bottom of the knee, with a rectangular flap covering the top.

For level 2 certification (if applicable)

• Mandarin collar is closed by a chevron shaped strap across the neck.
• Collar is closed by a rectangular piece of velcro. Stitching is visible from the exterior.

Imperial Army Patch

For 501st approval:

• A shield shaped patch.
• The patch has an Imperial cog symbol approximately 2.75 to 3 inches in diameter.
• The background of the patch has a more narrow shield shaped design on top of a box colored a darker shade of green.

Imperial Rank Bar

• Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a metallic finish square
• Rank bar corners are hard angle or slightly rounded.
• The rank of Lieutenant (2 red tiles on top of 2 blue tiles) is the only acceptable rank.

 Gloves

For 501st approval:

• Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material.
• Enclosed fingers.
• No buckles, straps, etc.
• May have three stitched lines or square padding on the back of the hand.

For level 2 certification (if applicable)

• No buckles, straps, etc.
• Must have square padding on back of hand.

Web Harness

For 501st approval:

• Olive green colored, double strap "H" harness which travels from the lower back, and up over the shoulders.
• Harness is made of 2 inch black nylon webbing.
• The harness system attaches to the belt.
• Visible snap-hook style fasteners that attach to belt eyelets are acceptable.
• Tri-glides may be present on front or back of suspenders.
• Back of suspenders may be permanently fastened to belt, but not required.
• Left suspender has a comlink clip/holster.
• Right suspender has a vanity pouch attached.

For level 2 certification (if applicable)

• The main body of harness fasteners are discreetly hidden behind the belt, or it is directly mounted to belt 
• Harness is fitted to the wearer and no tri-glides are present.
• Comlink is present.

 Belt

For 501st approval:

• Belt is a 2.25" wide nylon military style quick release web belt.
• Belt is olive green in color.
• Belt has grommets that run along both the top and bottom of its length.

For level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt buckle is olive green in color.

Belt Pouches

For 501st approval:

• Belt pouches are olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material.
• 2 rectangular pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut, sit to the right of the belt buckle where the harness meets the belt.
• A gas-mask style pouch sits on the right of the above pouches.
• A tactical triple AK magazine PALS belt pouch should be on the rear of the belt.
• An electrobinoculars pouch sits on the left of the belt buckle where the harness meets the belt.
• 2 rectangular pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut, sit to the left of the electrobinoculars pouch.

 

For level 2 certification (if applicable)

• Electrobinoculars are present

 

Boots

For 501st approval:

• Calf high black leather or leather like material.
• Jackboot or similar style
• Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments.
• Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1". This need not be functional
• Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed.
  • If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black.

   

   

 

Optional Accessories

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below.

Comlink

For 501st approval:

• Imperial Style Comlink to be worn in the comlink clip on the left suspender.

Electrobinoculars

For 501st approval:

• Scratch built or high end prop replica.

SE-14 Blaster Pistol

 

For 501st approval:

• Scratch built or high end prop replica.

Holster

For 501st approval:

• Retention style open back holster made to fit the SE-14 Blaster Pistol. A strap goes across the top to hold the blaster in place.
• Holster is worn on the right side so it hangs below all belt pouches and after the MA47 double handcuff MOLLE PALS belt pouches.

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Proposal Review:

Earlier certain things had been decided upon, please review:

Changed Flightsuit to Jumpsuit to avoid confusion with TIE flightsuits. 

Jumpsuit:   Pockets added to each sleeve under patch now required.

Cargo pocket requirement added. 

Added rectangular stitching for collar closure in Level 2.

Harness:

Comlink holster/Clip now required on Left suspender.

Vanity pouch now required on Right suspender.

Belt:

Correct pouch configuration now required.

Gloves:

Olive green gloves required for approval.

Square padding on back of hand required for Level 2.

Added length descriptor

Boots:

Removed option for hobnails.

Comlink:

Added into accessories.

Holster:

Changed style of acceptable holster.

Upon discussion with the LMOs, this uniform is considered unique to one character and has been changed from a generic officer to "Lieutenant Janeck Sunber"

Appearance was added of being clean shaven with the appearance of short hair to represent the character. 

Replaced the handcuff pouches with a more accurate description: 2 rectangular pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut

 

DISCUSSION:

The pouches were discussed and pretty well defined on page 1 and 2.  What is not well defined is the boots, which match the appearance of the Army Troopers , Engineers and Sappers.  IE they are fairly short and filthy.  While a bloused jackboot can be used for L1 approval, I feel that the size for an L2 boot should be the Commuter or Commuter II boot used by the  other troopers.  I found two pair on Ebay easily. 

Should they be black? the appearance is filthy, and all other green troopers indicate green boots.  My own boots are green (spraypainted with Montana Gold Olive Green) and heavily weathered.  

Boots

For 501st approval:

• Calf high black leather or leather like material.
• Jackboot or similar style
• Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments.
• Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1". This need not be functional
• Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed.
  • If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black.

   

   

I propose copying the IAT verbiage for L2. 

For level 2 certification (if applicable)

• Olive green 8”-9” high boots.
• Free of laces, decorative sticking, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments.
• Zippers on the inside of the boots are acceptable, so long as they are concealed

 

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Has anyone made any new progress on this costume?

[Barons_Crown[501st]]

I'm part of a group of 5 of us doing IAT's here in Canadian Garrison.  I'm kinda at the tipping point of going this route vs the IAT.  My intention always was to do a soft cap version of IAT, so I'll look a bit closer at this and let you know

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Lucas, please give it serious consideration, this IS a work in progress and this is not a confirmed CRL yet.  Know up front that if you do the costume, and if you are the first, you will likely be asked by the LMO to make changes prior to costume approval.  I did this last year for the Engineer.  We do need a "first person" to do it, and as you say, its a soft cap version.     If you do so, please start a new WIP topic so we can monitor progress, provide input, and show a change log if the LMO asks for changes

Just this past weekend I was wearing my green Army Trooper with the helmet, and I got a ton of compliments on it.  It gets attention! This will too!  .  

 

[pm07[TX]]

I need to get a jumpsuit ordered whenever I can get a day off.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

17 hours ago, pm07 said:

I need to get a jumpsuit ordered whenever I can get a day off.

I just sent you a pm.  Respond when you can and let's see where we are at.

[Barons_Crown[501st]]

Once I am done and approved on my IAT I will likely move on to this.   However there are aspects of it that I have no intention of taking to level 2 (boots / gloves / electrobinos)  So not sure if I should wait for someone else to do the CRL...

[pm07[TX]]

So was it ever decided if the grenade pouch met the requirement for the  2 rectangular pouches to the left of the buckle or is this a better choice.

Also, does the  small pocket under the shoulder patch have to be functional?

[Barons_Crown[501st]]

I'd think the grenade pouch should be fine.  I have a couple already was gonna pick up a couple more to do this Janek setup.   They look pretty close

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Sorry @pm07 I've been bogged down in Celebration prep and getting that Sapper published.  Hit Chicago tomorrow...but before I go...

This pouch looks like it could work though the flap closure seems to go further down the pouch than the source art.  It does have what I would say is the right dimensions though.

Grenade pouch (I'd need to see the ones your considering) from what I've seen are squattier...not quite the perfect dimensions, BUT the flaps of them tend to not go as far down the pouch and in that regard seem more true to the source art.

Is it possible to put "XXXX pouch or similar" as we did w/ the MOLLE pouches on the Sapper to nail it down a bit more?  Then, maybe remove the similar f we know a specific that fits perfectly for a Level 2?

@Blackwatch picking up on your boot discussion...after completing the Sapper, I think that boot description we settled on there would be better for this CRL.  Remove jackboot altogether as @TX-15293 had suggested.

@Tarrif You launched this proposal.  Any thoughts (post-Celebration of course lol)?

[Barons_Crown[501st]]

Tough to say if it's a commuter boot OR if the pants are bloused over a regular jackboot.   

Lol I remember my Army days up here we had the small boot blousing elastic ties ... I think the same effect can be achieved here by blousing the legs of the suit a little further down the jackboot from the top.  

[RAIDER[COTG]]

15 hours ago, Barons_Crown said:

Tough to say if it's a commuter boot OR if the pants are bloused over a regular jackboot.   

Lol I remember my Army days up here we had the small boot blousing elastic ties ... I think the same effect can be achieved here by blousing the legs of the suit a little further down the jackboot from the top.  

Possibly. Id like to see that tested out then.  If we allow that, the technique would need to be added to the CRL i think. currently just says jackboot (not how it should be worn).

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

blousing a jackboot to just above half its height will work, i just prefer to have the actual commuter boot.  We still have Jacks for the Engineer and the Imperial Army trooper for basic approval..however it is my commited belief that since Lt Sunber is in an all green uniform as an Army officer, his boots are green as well, which brings us to the green paint used on the Commuters.  

We can say only one thing about the Lt's boots--they are dirty!   In keeping with best practice, allow the jackboot for l1 approval, bloused down to no lower than 8" of the shaft showing.  Rebel pilots do this all the time if they happen to own taller motorcylce style boots, often using "blousing rubbers".    I would strongly support Green Commuters for L2 and specialist.  This keeps Lt. Sunber  aligned with  the IAT.  

[ShovelGuy[501st]]

When I started working on the Sapper Costume I was mostly complete with the Sunber Costume. I’ll dig it out in the next few days . 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Neal that would be awesome, we can clear that one (hopefully) soon

[ShovelGuy[501st]]

I agree but would definitely like to give someone else the opportunity to do the actual CRL model