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I'd say that the larger scale wise seems good. In that first panel it looks like if it was lowered down the shoulder would cover most of the bicep. I also agree with that raised detail not swooping up.

I believe that we should go with the detail on the largest panel for what detail was trying to be achieved as the smaller panels probably had some of the weirdness added to make it appear stand-out as opposed to looking like a normal TK shoulder bell. My honest opinion is that you nailed the look with what you have thus far. I'd assume the other side of that shoulder bell raised part looks like that of the 1st pic you have?

Just to post the update here for the rest of the membership to see, we are currently working on getting the proper pics uploaded to the drive so that we can start editing the CRL pics. We are also going to request the CRL to be built within the main CRL pages so that when we have the pics we are good to go. Just giving you a heads up here as well @ionicdesign

Welcome, Alexander! Thickness for the hand plates really depends on how comfortable they are for you. I'd say probably 1/2" would be good, some people do a lot less so it sits flat, but I like the depth to make it seem thick. The lower legs you should really try on with your undersuit and see how they stack up against your shins and position to your knee before trimming anything from the bottom up.

Both posts above have good points on this and with the infamous comic book drawings (always have different stuff on each panel)! Personally, I believe the only reason it appears a different color is to accentuate the brightness of the red thus "washing out" the lines, but they are black as that one pic. That is my take on it, at least.

It almost looks like you'd want to glue/heat and press that upper part into a 3D printed part or whatever plastic you are usually for the details. It is hard to see where the face covering starts and the plastic part starts with that piece. Either way, we'll have to see the detail for the CRL.

Here is the text that I will post in the 1st page if we are good. I modified the stuff in light orange: Lightsaber The lightsaber is accurate to what is shown in the illustrations within "Star Wars by Marvel Comics (2018) - Issue #59. Main hilt and hand grip are black in color. If the lightsaber has a blade, the blade is green in color. The lightsaber should only be required as long as it's in compliance with the applicant’s local laws. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Reflects 1:1 scale in size and appears to be of metal or chrome stock. ----------------------------------------------- E-11 Blaster (Optional) Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the E-11 is standard-issue for many Imperial troops. Light, compact yet powerful, the E-11 blaster is always in high demand throughout the galaxy. Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Folding stock. Stock does not need to function. A real or replica ammo counter - based off of a Hengstler counter - should be present. D-ring mounted on the rear. Correct style scope. Two power cylinders on the magazine. Scratch-built, resin cast, Hyperfirm rubber cast blasters should have a total of 6 t-racks on blaster (leaving the lowest row on the Hengstler side un-covered). If using the Hasbro E11 toy blaster, it is modified to have the correct number of T-tracks (6 total), with a lower row of open vent holes on the magazine housing side. This is accomplished by covering the pre-existing rows of holes with T-tracks, then grinding off the lower integrated T-track on the magazine housing side, and drilling a new row of holes in its place.

Yeah just the hilt is what was required, which I haven't heard of any places not allowing the hilt or interpreting it as a weapon but I guess somewhere some place did at some point. I can see if you had the blade attached but not sure how the hilt could be considered a prop weapon or as a weapon. The only reason I even suggest that bit about the local laws is because it is in the SLD and TFE detachments, however, in the CTD and FISD there are lightsaber accessories that are in the optional category, for both Commander Cody and the TK Commander & TK Incinerator, respectively. So I see why we could also use the optional. I guess it really boils down to is how much we interpret it as essential to the costume for the look of the costume. @nanotek what is the DL's take on this? We need some additional input on this because I'm as torn as the rest.

The way you have it worded in there is almost identical to what is in the SLD with Vader, for example: https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:SL_rotj_vader I think it is an integral part of the costume, very much like how Vader wears his when not in use. There shouldn't be any issues making it a required component but contingent on local laws at the GML discretion. I also agree with the standard E-11 text! I'm all for in the basic requirements to add a little extra information underneath the text about it needing to be accurate to the respective comic issue. Again, that is something that is done in the above example where I link the ROTJ Vader costume. We should add "The blades are not a required component." at the end of the L1 details, similar to what is done with the Kylo CRL. I only checked one of the TFE CRLs with Ventress and in L1 it states: "If the lightsabers have blades, the blades are red in color." I'd personally keep that line in the L1 details and not put it under L2, as it'll eliminate any confusion with required components and local laws. For example, we just had a discussion about requiring weapons for L2 and I think if we have the chance we should eliminate any doubt with this CRL.

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Looks good from what I can see!

I have added the finalized text for the Thigh Pouches and updated the text for the Bicep Pouch! I will also get a Google Drive folder started for the pictures and PM that out. I'll try and get that setup tomorrow.

Here is the new Thigh Pouches text: Thigh Pouches There is a medium pouch on the left thigh held by two straps. The pouch is black in color and made of leather or leather-like material. Pouch has the approximate dimensions 5.5" x 4" x 1.75" (140mm x 101.6mm x 44.5mm) and must match references. The strap is approximately 2" (50mm) wide. Black in color made of elastic, leather, or leather-like material. On the right thigh is a large pouch, held by two straps. The straps are fastened to the belt with square metal rings. The pouch is black in color and made of leather or leather-like material. Pouch approximate dimensions 7" x 5.5" x 1.75" (178mm x 140mm x 44.5mm) and must match references. The strap is approximately 1.5" (40mm) wide. Black in color made of leather, or leather-like material. -------------------------- After adding the dimensions for the pouches we should go back and update the bicep pouch text to also include this: Bicep Pouch There is a small pouch on the left bicep held by a strap around the bicep. The pouch is black in color and can be made of leather or leather-like material. Pouch has the approximate dimensions 3" x 3" x 1.75" (76mm x 76mm x 44.5mm) and must match references. Pouch closure is trapezoidal in shape. Pouch closure has a snap that is black in color. The strap is black in color and made of elastic, leather, leather-like material. The strap is approximately 1.5" (40mm) wide.

Haha of course, I'd say we just keep it simple with the regular TK for it. Too much variance with that otherwise, and we'd run into the same thing with the boots without having the "U-elastic" on some panels, etc.

Sorry, just got back from vacation! Work has been pretty steady again but I did look at the thigh pouches for both the left and right side. I believe that the left side pouch text is good as it has the two straps holding it on. With the right side dangling strap I'd say remove or keep away any reference to a thigh strap and instead focus on the bag just hanging like scouts do but with the straps. I do agree that we should have some general measurements on there for proportions. The text would be as follows: There is a medium pouch on the left thigh held by two straps. The pouch is black in color and made of leather or leather-like material. Pouch is proportional to the size of the wearer and must match references. The strap is approximately 2" (50mm) wide. Black in color made of elastic, leather, or leather-like material. On the right thigh is a large pouch, held by two straps. The straps are fastened to the belt with square metal rings. The pouch is black in color and made of leather or leather-like material. Pouch is proportional to the size of the wearer and must match references. The strap is approximately 1.5" (40mm) wide. Black in color made of leather, or leather-like material. ------------------------------------------------- Circling back to the lower thigh ammo pack, I'm noticing the discrepancies between the various panels. I'd like to rescind my request about the TK Commander where it sits higher as there isn't enough reference to warrant such for any level, especially L2. Therefore the text would match that of the regular TK and TX.

Looking good!!

I went ahead and added focused images to each of the posts where we had the text so that we can have the reference images right there instead of the entire pic. Here is what I have Thigh Armor - Although I wish they would draw the ammo pouch on the right thigh further down, it almost looks higher up on the thigh, which we could consider L2. It looks like a video game thigh armor piece (see the TK Commander L2, etc.) Lower Leg Armor - Good Boots - Good For the L2 text on the Thigh Armor we may want to consider: The thigh ammo belt shall be positioned on top of the lower ridge (not like ANH). I have to spend a little more time looking at the thigh pouches text and reference images.

Got ya! So here is what I have now then for the Holster: What I did was allow for 4 or 2 fasteners for L1 and may be painted white. That allows us to make the 4 fasteners and white required for L2. Holster It is made of black leather or leather-like material. It is worn on the left side of the canvas belt and is attached via two leather or leather-like material straps to the canvas belt from behind. Affixed with either two fasteners at the bottom (one on each side), or four fasteners (two on the top, two on the bottom equaling two per strap) and may painted in white. Fasteners may be rivets, snaps or Chicago screws. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The Holster is affixed with four fasteners, two on the top, two on the bottom (two per strap), painted in white.

Haha no worries! I was wondering about that but didn't want to stifle any progression. I added a "Drop Pouch" into the mix on the first page so that we can identify that with the square clips we talk about on the belt. I was going to try and snip a few photos for this for references but can't do that on this Chromebook. With the belt below I added "silver" so that we didn't get anything that didn't match the comic reference. Belt The ammo belt shall be made of similar material and color matching the overall armor. It is comprised of 6 rectangular boxes, with three square buttons, one centered in the middle and on each end of the belt. The soft belt proper is made of white canvas, or material with a canvas covering and must be 3” to 3.5” (75-90mm) wide. The drop boxes dangle from the sides of the plastic belt face via white straps and are aligned under the plastic tabs of the ammo belt. The belt closes by overlapping in the rear center of the kidney/posterior armor where the thermal detonator is attached. There are two square silver metal rings that hold the large pouch on the right side. There is a silver lightsaber holder/hook on the right side of the left drop box. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The corners of the black plastic ammo belt shall be trimmed at a 45 degree angle that meets the outer edge of the canvas belt. Drop boxes must be attached using white elastic and must have full inner drop boxes to close the back. Flat covers are not allowed. Drop boxes are vertically aligned with the end of the ammo belt with minimal gap between belt and box. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm personally good with the TD text! Thermal Detonator (A.K.A O2 canister) is attached to the center back of the belt. Detonator consists of a gray cylinder with 2” to 2.68” (50-68mm) in diameter with white end caps on each end and a white control panel pad. The white control panel pad faces upwards, with the controls/round washer-style detail closest to the right end cap. The total length is approximately 7.5” (190.5mm). No silver stickers or silver paint is allowed. The detonator is attached to the white canvas belt with 1” (25mm) silver metal or metallic-appearing clips. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Clips shall be attached with slotted, pan head style screws, and painted black (two per clip). V-head screws are not permitted. Thermal detonator belt clips are positioned with little to no gap between the clips and the end caps. Belt clips shall be made of metal and must be silver. -------------------------------------------------------------- I did have a question about the "two or four' leather part. Is that to double layer the strapping? I was thinking of pulling some of this from the ANH Hero TK. It appears that it is similar to that TK in this photo: I did make an update to the L2 text to be similar to that of the ANH Hero TK. Holster It is made of black leather or leather-like material. It is worn on the left side of the canvas belt and is attached via two or four leather or leather-like material straps to the canvas belt from behind. Affixed with only two fasteners at the bottom, one on each side, painted in white. Fasteners may be rivets, snaps or Chicago screws. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The Holster is affixed with four fasteners, two on the top, two on the bottom (two per strap), painted in white.

Here is what I'm posting for the Kidney Armor and Posterior Armor on the 1st page: Kidney Armor The kidney armor is separate from the posterior armor (ANH style) and lines up with the abdomen armor. The top of the kidney armor is flush to or under the back armor. Posterior Armor The posterior armor is separate from the kidney armor (ANH style).

@TX-20113 are you able to answer this?

I guess since we have that on a majority of the panels we can go ahead and state that is the L1 requirement to have the split and forego any L2 requirements. Since there are no molded/rubber edges appearing on any of the armor I can say we probably don't need to be inclusive for ROTJ mixed with ANH.

Really tests your patience!

I'm glad you posted that about the Polyflex, I never thought about it adding a ton of weight. I had used a bunch of it on my Royal Guard helmet but I think I didn't notice it as much because the plastic was thicker than other plastic I've used.

That is an interesting interpretation, however, I know it is just for us to think out loud here since fan art isn't permissible. I'm going to go back and definitively look at the panels a bit more but I think for this series (#59/60) we should for sure stick with the hard armor for abdomen and kidney/posterior.