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Yeah we'd probably have to make both acceptable for L1 and then something that requires more forethought for L2.

So cool to also see that Sideshows is doing that 6th scale one!

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I'm in agreement with almost all of what @RAIDER put. The only comment that I have with the belt is to leave the part in there about the two white buttons on each end as you have in L1 and then for L2 probably just remove that part about ROTJ because it is a different belt. The ROTJ belt just has two rivets with no squares on it and this one has the squares...unless we were aiming to have flexibility to allow those to use belts off old costumes to create the TFU look? I agree with the gasket stuff or molded lip around the knee part, however we have the text on the other costume. The thigh part to L2 is good too.

I updated my post with the light orange text for the jumpsuit text to add stuff in L1 about the pockets on chest, on each arm under the patch and about no visible method of attachment for the mandarin collar. I also added L2 text allowing for either that Velcro and exterior stitching or the snap near the chevron point on the collar that is olive green.

Yep that makes sense to me. I can add the updated text and move specific details to L1.

That is a good point as well. May be worth moving the unique stuff to L1 so that way it doesn't appear that this is just a generic IA officer jumpsuit, etc.

Sounds good to me! Rolling right along. We'll give the measurements and text a once over as we are getting ready to put them into the CRL wiki.

I'd be in support of adding no snaps/stitching for L1 and then for L2 to have stitching or snap; however, we should make it either stitching or snap to make it consistent. I'd vote for a snap since the IAT has that and that could be the interpretation for it. What do you guys think? I'm also in agreement for adding the rectangular flap closure on the arm pocket. It is visible on many of the comic panels: I know that @Blackwatch suggested that the chest stuff is L2, would we want to make the arm pockets L2 as well?

Agreed @Blackwatch, I'm sure we may have some discussion on the flight suit. I copied the IAT flight suit over and removed the part about the rank bar as the Lt. has one, and changed the snap text over to possible stitching from Velcro?: Green Imperial Flight Suit One-piece olive green coverall / jumpsuit / flight suit with a front invisible zipper and mandarin collar. The mandarin collar has no visible method of how it closes. Each shoulder has a patch as noted below. Below the patch on each arm there is a small pocket with the rectangular flap closure that is roughly 1.25" (32mm) tall and ends just above the elbow. 2 large chest pockets. The 2 chest pockets feature flap closures made of matching fabric, as wide as the pocket, and roughly 1.25" (32mm) tall. 2 large cargo pockets sit on the outside of each leg from around mid-thigh and not extending past the bottom of the knee, with a rectangular flap covering the top. There are no leg pockets below the knees. Pockets may feature gussets. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Mandarin collar is closed by a chevron shaped strap across the neck. Collar is closed by one of the following: A rectangular piece of Velcro with stitching is visible from the exterior, or A single snap near the chevron point and olive green in color. I know that there was some discussion based on the comic panels that @Hoda brought up as well. I see the stitching in this panel but that is about it for the Lt.: The stitching doesn't appear in any of the other panels: Perhaps we don't have any snap on this one or make the snap acceptable for L1 and then no snap for L2 and can close with any method necessary as long as we don't see stitch lines?

I have updated my post as well to reflect your input and notated that in the edit note as well. I concur with the code disk for the Lt. as it is visible in his specific reference pictures as well:

Yep, once you get that update in there I can jump back into it again!

Never disappointed with the progress pics!

We'll go item by item and add the finalized text to the first post as we get it completed! The first order of business is to knock out the Olive, Hat which was pulled from the IAT CRL: Hat, Olive Fabric is a medium weight suiting material of olive green. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (107mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (107mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”.

This will be the main listing and we'll tackle each part piece by piece (green is done, yellow is WIP, and red is not finalized): Hat, Olive Facial Appearance / Hair Style Green Imperial Flight Suit Imperial Army Patch Imperial Rank Bar Olive Gloves Web Harness Comlink Belt Belt Pouches Boots Macrobinoculars (Optional) Holster (Optional) SE-14R Blaster Pistol (Optional) NOTE: Linked below is the original thread where the discussions were being had on the costume started on 02/26/2018. The new discussions will take place in this thread and draw reference from that thread to clean it up: ------------FINALIZED TEXT GOES BELOW THIS LINE------------ Description: Lieutenant Janek Sunber Prefix: TX Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment Context: Star Wars: Empire by Dark Horse Comics / Expanded Universe / Legends Janek Sunber is a lieutenant in the Imperial Army. After spending his youth in Tatooine, Lt. Sunber joined the Academy of Carida in 1 BBY where he was recognized for his performance and transferred to officer training. Sunber is a dedicated and hardworking officer, and was most recognized for his actions at the Battles of Maribun. Special Notes: Soft parts may be slightly weathered with scuffs/dirt. Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy. -------------------------------------------- Hat, Olive Fabric is a medium weight suiting material of olive green. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (107mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (107mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. Facial Appearance / Hair Style Hair is close-cropped. Basic approval does not require matching facial hair. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Hair color is black. Costumer is clean shaven. Green Imperial Flight Suit One-piece olive green coverall / jumpsuit / flight suit with a front invisible zipper and mandarin collar with one of the following: The mandarin collar has no visible method of how it closes, or A single snap near the closing point and olive green in color. Each shoulder has a patch as noted below. Below the patch on each arm there is a small pocket with the rectangular flap closure that is roughly 1.25" (32mm) tall and ends just above the elbow. 2 large chest pockets. The 2 chest pockets feature flap closures made of matching fabric, as wide as the pocket, and roughly 1.25" (32mm) tall. 2 large cargo pockets sit on the outside of each leg from around mid-thigh and not extending past the bottom of the knee, with a rectangular flap covering the top. There are no leg pockets below the knees. Pockets may feature gussets. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Mandarin collar is closed by a chevron shaped strap across the neck. The mandarin collar has no visible method of how it closes. Imperial Army Patch A shield shaped patch. The patch has an Imperial cog symbol approximately 2.75" to 3" (70-76mm) in diameter. The background of the patch has a more narrow shield shaped design on top of a box colored a darker shade of green. Imperial Rank Bar Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a metallic finish square. Rank bar corners are hard angled or slightly rounded. The rank of Lieutenant (2 red tiles on top of 2 blue tiles) is the only acceptable rank. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rank bar corners are slightly rounded, not hard angled. Rank tiles are affixed to a singular rank bar with no line in between the 2 red tiles on top and 2 blue tiles on the bottom. Two rank bars are not permitted. Olive Gloves Olive drab, wrist length gloves constructed of leather, Kevlar or similar material. Enclosed fingers. No buckles, etc. May have square padding on the back of the hand. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Square padding is present on back of hand. Web Harness Olive green colored, double strap "H" harness which travels from the lower back, and up over the shoulders. The harness system attaches to the belt. Harness is made of 2" (50mm) olive green nylon webbing. Visible snap-hook style fasteners that attach to belt eyelets are acceptable. Tri-glides may be present on front or back of suspenders. Back of suspenders may be permanently fastened to belt, but not required. Left suspender has a comlink clip/holster with a comlink contained within. The comlink clip/holster is positioned parallel to the rank bar and is form fitting to the comlink. The comlink must meet the details contained within this CRL in its own section. Right suspender has a rectangular pouch attached with the bottom of the pouch positioned with the right chest pouch flap closure. The pouch is olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material, with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Harness fasteners are not seen, and may be hidden behind the belt. Harness is fitted to the wearer and no tri-glides are present. Comlink Styled after the comlink as seen in the Star Wars: Empire (Dark Horse Comics). An interpretation of the comlink is allowed, but comic accuracy is encouraged. The comlink is painted a matching olive green color and has the following details: A raised band around its upper section featuring equally-spaced raised vertical bars with recessed areas between each vertical bar. Underneath the upper section there is a recessed groove before the main body of the comlink. The bottom of the comlink is beveled to a flat bottom. Belt Belt is a nylon military style quick release web belt or a cotton double prong buckle web belt. Belt is olive green in color. Belt buckles may be the following colors: Quick release style may be black or olive green. Double prong style may be olive green or silver. Belt may feature eyelets along both sides of its length, but these are not required for approval. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is a nylon or cotton double prong buckle web belt and not the quick release style. Double prong buckle may be olive green or silver. Belt Pouches Belt pouches are olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material. 2 rectangular MOLLE style pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut, sit to the right of the belt buckle where the harness meets the belt. A large pouch sits on the right of the above pouches. The pouch may be a utility pouch, gas mask pouch, SAW pouch, or other MOLLE style pouch of similar size. A tactical triple AK magazine PALS belt or MOLLE style pouch should be on the rear of the belt. A macrobinoculars pouch sits on the left of the belt buckle where the harness meets the belt. 2 rectangular MOLLE style pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut, sit to the left of the macrobinoculars pouch. OPTIONAL Level Two certification (if applicable): The large pouch will make use of a visible double snap closure or appear to have such. Macrobinoculars are present. Boots Below the calf black or green leather or leather-like material. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/leather, it is painted black. OPTIONAL Level Two certification (if applicable): Olive green 8” to 9” (20-23cm) high boots. Pants legs shall be tucked into boots and fluffed to give appearance of original source art. Weathering of the boots is encouraged. Macrobinoculars (Optional) Scratch built or high end prop replica that is similar to the reference images. Must be painted olive green in color. OPTIONAL Level Two certification (if applicable): The view lenses are tinted red on the end that is held up to the eyes. Holster (Optional) Retention style open back holster made to fit the SE-14R Blaster Pistol. A strap goes across the top to hold the blaster in place. Holster is made of Nylon, leather or similar material. Black or olive green in color. Holster is worn on the right side so it hangs below all belt pouches. OPTIONAL Level Two certification (if applicable): Holster is olive green in color. SE-14R Blaster Pistol (Optional) High-End Replica. As seen in various promotional material & merchandise.

We will create a fresh progress thread to tackle each item piece by piece and link to this thread.

You want me to create a new thread and take the thing to that?

I can set it up for you! Then you can edit it as you please.

I agree with that, they definitely cannot be black. Have to have at least some shade semblance to the armor color or a touch darker than that. That is what I have pulled from the actual game. I can try and get even more pics of the boots and boot armor if we need them since I have the game on my PC.

I think the most logical step we could have with this is to create another master post within this thread, similar to what I did with the Phase 0 Dark Trooper, and go through each costume piece by piece and finalize the text as we go. I can get the post added to this one to get us started if you'd like? This discussion has been going awhile and we may not able to edit the initial proposals.

@MrShadow any update on this? Once you start getting the pieces printed and out there can you create a WIP thread to follow along? That way we can keep this thread for the CRL discussion. Just prepping for the future. ?

I realized that I forgot to include a reference to the soles being different, which would make the assumption that they match the boot color which states close to armor and I realize that may be hard for the sole. We should probably put in there that the gray should be close to the armor color. In the reference photos it is a contrasting (barely) gray, not black. I'm going to go back to my last post above and make an edit accordingly.

Very nice to see this! We still have the CRL open for editing before final draft. I pinged @RAIDER about this post so we can see how we could move forward with the CRL text again.

Star Wars: Empire by Dark Horse Comics

That's right, I swore it went all the way around down to the belt on the back but it did end. Not sure how I missed that on the pass I did an hour ago. I think it confused me because some of the panels in the art had some discontinuity.