IcyTrooper

Since we don't have a definitive color I think for L2 we could allow for either silver or olive-green. I'll just have to make sure to update the L1 text to allow for the quick-release square buckle or the double-prong belt. We'll definitely need the double-prong styled belt for L2 I'd say.

The goggles look good to me!

I'd give a look into this build thread by @Kessel: There is also a good thread by @Hoda: They both did a fine job on their costumes and outlined a lot of the pieces they used.

The only hard part that the IAT has is the helmet which is optional under version 1 of the costume. I think you may be thinking of the AT-AT Commander with the Armored Cavalry Detachment (ACD)? GMLs use the CRL for the costume (https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_imperial_army_trooper#Version One) completely when reviewing a costume for the garrison/outpost that you are going to be in. If you tried to wear the hard armor after the approval that'd be at the discretion of the garrison/outpost that you are in and their command.

I was definitely thinking it should be a L2 thing and allow the standard IAT belt for L1 for sure! Color wise for that silver part, it is definitely a toss up to me. In some panels it is olive green and then the others it is that silver color, but you never know if it is just off-colored to accentuate the details. That second belt link from Amazon is nice! https://www.amazon.com/Military-Double-Canvas-Army-Grommet/dp/B07F1DQQZ7

I put the finalized text for the Web Harness and Comlink up on the first page in the finalized text section! We can move to the belt text! Here is what I have: Belt Belt is a nylon military style quick release web belt. Belt is olive green in color. Belt may feature eyelets along both sides of its length, but these are not required for approval. OPTIONAL Level Two certification (if applicable): Belt buckle is olive green in color. I did notice that the belt looks a little different from the quick release style buckle: It looks like it goes through with a silver square buckle. I'd like to motion for this as a L2 detail.

I second @nanotek, some better insoles goes a long way with boots from IB!

I'm in agreement about the chest piece part down to L2, L1 should always be about inclusive and universal ability with sourcing parts, etc. L2 we can get a little more strict on. The boot part as reinforcement patches or layered patching works for me. I'm eager to see the rest of the wording for the boots!

Yeah now that I'm looking back at it more I'm seeing that it is probably just an artistic detail so that it is shown that part is beveled outward. Yep! That is the comlink clip and holster. @Hoda nailed it with the text: Left suspender has a comlink clip/holster with a comlink contained within. The comlink clip/holster is positioned parallel to the rank bar and is form fitting to the comlink. The more I looked at the artwork I can see that when comparing that area we thought was black it is that lighter color that is present on various other parts of Sunber, which leads me to believe it is just shadowing or part of the art to accentuate the details: With that being said, I took what you had said above and added a few more detail pieces in purple text to include details or descriptors that we may have missed previously. I removed L2 from this. Comlink Styled after the comlink as seen in the Star Wars: Empire (Dark Horse Comics). An interpretation of the comlink is allowed, but comic accuracy is encouraged. The comlink is painted a matching olive green color and has the following details: A raised band around its upper section featuring equally-spaced raised vertical bars with recessed areas between each vertical bar. Underneath the upper section there is a recessed groove before the main body of the comlink. The bottom of the comlink is beveled to a flat bottom. Let me know what you think @RAIDER @nanotek @Blackwatch @Hoda I removed the L2 stuff for this as I don't think we have anything that would specifically warrant L2 for that. Personally, I'd say to just dump the L2 requirements for it and make the L1 stuff what is required. I checked over the comlink from the Stormtrooper ANH Hero for example, and it didn't match close enough to the reference images for Sunber to allow it for basic. I think it'd materially alter what we are trying to do

For a second I thought you were going Occam's razor for the description of the comlink ?

I can address both of these: Comlink: It is definitely placed there as a level of detail. I'm honestly thinking that the intent is to show that that circular area is raised (think battery access panel), which is more or less why I think we should include it. It isn't anything crazy to whether it is raised or just a circular line. Keep in mind, L2 is for enhanced details, hyper-real when looking at screen stuff (e.g., not art, etc.). @Blackwatch @RAIDER what do you say? I'm not opposed to removing it but just want to be sure we don't miss something. Harness: I have tried looking up pouch names from tac-vests online to see if where @Blackwatch derived that from and have had no luck. Maybe we say "rectangular utility pouch" as the specific pouch name? I really like the extra detail that you added into it as well as far as what it is made out of and the flap with strap text. ------------------------- Thread Continuation: As much as I'd like to push I'd really say let's nail down this text first and the rest should be pretty easy (minus the pouch part for the belt)

Good points from both you. I'll try and touch both here: Tri-Glides I think that we could allow the tri-glides on the front provided that they are hidden by the pouches. They would need to be removed for L2 as the art doesn't show the tri-glides at all. That should allow for those who are looking to reuse the harness to be able to do so, however, it would require the next level of accuracy and modification for L2. Comlink I have weighed the options that were presented above and feel that we should include it under L1 with the applicable details for the comlink that is mentioned under Version 2 that @Blackwatch mentioned above seems the best suited for the text. I do feel that we should make reference to the Comlink in the Web Harness text and create a second section of the CRL for the Comlink itself to highlight the details as it is a required item. Here is the new text with both points: Web Harness Olive green colored, double strap "H" harness which travels from the lower back, and up over the shoulders. The harness system attaches to the belt. Harness is made of 2" (50mm) olive green nylon webbing. Visible snap-hook style fasteners that attach to belt eyelets are acceptable. Tri-glides may be present on front or back of suspenders. Back of suspenders may be permanently fastened to belt, but not required. Left suspender has a comlink clip/holster with a comlink contained within. The comlink clip/holster is positioned parallel to the rank bar and is form fitting to the comlink. The comlink must meet the details contained within this CRL in its own section. Right suspender has a rectangular utility pouch attached with the bottom of the pouch positioned with the right chest pouch flap closure. The utility pouch is olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material. The pouch has a top flap, with a strap from top to bottom securing it shut. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Harness fasteners are not seen, and may be hidden behind the belt. Harness is fitted to the wearer and no tri-glides are present. Comlink Styled after the comlink as seen in the Star Wars: Empire (Dark Horse Comics). An interpretation of the comlink is allowed, but comic accuracy is encouraged. The comlink is painted a matching olive green color and has the following details: A raised band around its upper section featuring equally-spaced raised vertical bars with recessed areas between each vertical bar. Underneath the upper section there is a recessed groove before the main body of the comlink. The bottom of the comlink is beveled to a flat bottom. I borrowed some text from our Rocket Trooper pack that allows for subtle interpretations, which helps GMLs out. When describing details this is the best shot of the comlink that we have:

Very nice!! I can tell that green is super close!

I updated the glove text to the finalized version since it seemed simple enough. I know this Web Harness will be a good discussion: Web Harness Olive green colored, double strap "H" harness which travels from the lower back, and up over the shoulders. The harness system attaches to the belt. Harness is made of 2" (50mm) olive green nylon webbing. Visible snap-hook style fasteners that attach to belt eyelets are acceptable. Tri-glides may be present on front or back of suspenders. Back of suspenders may be permanently fastened to belt, but not required. Left suspender has a comlink clip/holster that is positioned parallel to the rank bar. Right suspender has a vanity pouch attached with the bottom of the pouch positioned with the right chest pouch flap closure. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Harness fasteners are not seen, and may be hidden behind the belt. Harness is fitted to the wearer and no tri-glides are present. Comlink is present. I think we need to determine if the Comlink should be required for L1 or not. Whether it is L1 or L2 with the requirement that'll determine where we list the Comlink section and the description and image for the Comlink.

The updated CRL and images have been loaded into the wiki and will take some time to propagate on the servers so that the end-users see it. We have also added a ton of gallery images to assist costumers and GMLs.

At least it'll look like some weathering

I have updated the main post above with the finalized text for the Imperial Rank Bar. Now we can move onto the Olive Gloves! I have been looking at the panels and I believe that these gloves are going to be like the L1 requirements for the IAT and IAS, but the L2 should match that of the IAS with the square pad on the back. We can see the square part on many of the panels of his gloves. As we have done with the flight suit there are distinct differences that would set this apart from the IAT gloves. The square padding part should be L2. Olive Gloves Olive drab, wrist length gloves constructed of leather, Kevlar or similar material. Enclosed fingers. No buckles, straps, etc. May have square padding on the back of the hand. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Square padding is present on back of hand.

Agree with that text. I didn't even think to check the CRLs at IOC for this! I'd agree to add that to the second bullet for L2: Rank tiles are are affixed to a singular rank bar with no line in between the 2 red tiles on top and 2 blue tiles on the bottom. Two rank bars are not permitted. How does that sound? It takes the guess work out of it with the last sentence as well.

Here is the final text that will be updated in the master post above: Green Imperial Flight Suit One-piece olive green coverall / jumpsuit / flight suit with a front invisible zipper and mandarin collar with one of the following: The mandarin collar has no visible method of how it closes, or A single snap near the closing point and olive green in color. Each shoulder has a patch as noted below. Below the patch on each arm there is a small pocket with the rectangular flap closure that is roughly 1.25" (32mm) tall and ends just above the elbow. 2 large chest pockets. The 2 chest pockets feature flap closures made of matching fabric, as wide as the pocket, and roughly 1.25" (32mm) tall. 2 large cargo pockets sit on the outside of each leg from around mid-thigh and not extending past the bottom of the knee, with a rectangular flap covering the top. There are no leg pockets below the knees. Pockets may feature gussets. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Mandarin collar is closed by a chevron shaped strap across the neck. The mandarin collar has no visible method of how it closes. ------------------------------ With that being said we can bypass the Imperial Army Patch since it is the standard patch from the IAT and we'll use that text for this. That'll move us to the rank bar: Imperial Rank Bar Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a metallic finish square. Rank bar corners are hard angled or slightly rounded. The rank of Lieutenant (2 red tiles on top of 2 blue tiles) is the only acceptable rank. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rank bar corners are slightly rounded, not hard angled. Rank tiles are are affixed to a singular rank bar with no line in between the 2 red tiles on top and 2 blue tiles on the bottom. Two rank bars are not permitted. I took a look at the comic panels and in most of them the corners are slightly rounded, so making that L2 was a good one!

Very nice! We should be able to have a direction for it in finalized form this evening.

Anything new on this front?

It was more for me the sides of the sole and not the actual bottom.

I agree with @RAIDER for the E-11 now and we can add the second when able.

Getting close! I like that action figure on the belt

Here is what I have below in light orange. I just changed up the measurements to match our CRL editing guide for the standards. I also added the text about no third square button for L2 requirements. Belt The ammo belt shall be made of similar material and color matching the overall armor. It is comprised of 6 rectangular boxes, with two square buttons on each end of the belt. The soft belt proper is made of canvas, or material with a canvas covering and must be 2” to 3” (50-75mm) wide. The belt closes by overlapping in the rear center of the kidney/posterior armor. Two white pouches hang on either side of the belt face. Each pouch features two sections with a single flap covering both sections. The right pouch is approximately 6.25” x 4.5" x 2" (160mm x 115mm x 50mm). The left pouch is approximately 8.625” x 6.125" x 2" (220mm x 155mm x 50mm). OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The ammo belt shall have longer ends than standard TK-style belts. The 6 rectangular boxes are angled on each side. There is not a third square button in the center like standard TK-style belts. The corners of the white plastic ammo belt shall be trimmed with a small angle at the top and a large sweeping curve that meets the outer edge of the canvas belt. The canvas belt must be 2” (50mm) wide. The top of the ammo belt should sit at or just above the bottom of the central and vertical abdomen button panels. Thigh Armor The thigh armor may open and firmly close in the back allowing the two halves to appear sealed. Overlap construction is only allowable for kits that come with the cover strip molded into the part. The front cover strips are approximately 2” to 2.5” (50-65mm) and run the length of the thigh. Rear cover strips must end at the top of lower ridge. An additional ridge is present on the outside of the thighs, running to the lower ridge. If the two parts of the thigh armor cannot fit the user, shims can be used to close the back of the thigh armor. Shims shall have a similar material and color to the whole armor, should be flush without seams OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Must be constructed using the butt joint cover strip method. Overlap construction is not allowed. The front cover strips shall have an angled cut that meets at a sharp point at the top of the thigh.