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@RMGFitness the corset style strapping that has been worked on by some is definitely acceptable now and after the update. So you can rest assured. Just be cognizant of any strapping components that are visible. For example; the black vertical thigh straps being visible is OK, but a black buckle exposed on the side is not. Good point to bring up, thank you for your feed back, it is much appreciated.
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@Atraxas Aston, appreciate the feedback. Talibs have always been and will continue to be acceptable for Level 1 approval. Level 2 items are always the same for any CRL, they are the items that take the costume to the next higher level of detail and or screen accuracy. Because the horizontal seam and some ankle padding is seen on the Jereds at the ankle even when the shin armor is worn it becomes part of the higher level detail, much the same way that those pesky little "split rivots" are on the TKs and Shadow Troopers. Though Talibs have the correct toe and sole, the rear part of the Talib has an additional piece of leather on the heel and the leather pull tab is located at the top of the boot. There is stitching on the Jered that resembles the extra piece on the talib heel but the extra piece of leather is narrow and is part of the pull tab on the Jereds. It is for that reason we chose the Jered or replica boot as a Level 2 requirement. I myself have the Talibs and am fully aware that if I wanted to shoot for Level 2 that I must either modify my Talibs to look like the Jereds or purchase replicas. Also there are a few other things I will have to tweak or change on my own set if I want to reach Level 2. I fully understand your opinion but to be realistic, there are many CRLs that have Level 2 or 3 requirements where the items are no longer in original production and are hard to find so we have to resort to replicas. Thank you again for your feedback, it is appreciated. "Chaos" Death Trooper/Shadowtrooper/FO TIE Pilot (in-progress)/FO Sith Trooper (in-progress)
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Thanks for the correction, best of luck on your build!
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Proposed Imperial Death Trooper CRL Update Feedback and discussion will be open from now until 01 June 2020. It has been almost three and half years since the release of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and since then there have been many high quality photos of the Death Trooper released and with the re-emergence of the Death Trooper in Star Wars: The Mandalorian once again the spotlight is shining brightly on the Empire’s Elite Special Operations Forces. For the last few months, the Spec Ops Staff have been working on an updated CRL. This will align the CRL with what we now know about the Death Trooper and its armor and provide needed clarification for many questions the Spec Ops Staff have received from GMLs over the last few years. The Death Trooper will be divided into Versions. Version 1 will be the basic Death Trooper. Version 2 with be called “The Specialist Variant” and will include version 1 requirements and add in the “optional accessories” equipment of the pauldron, chest rig with magazines, and the fragmentation grenades. This will also help GMLs to view each individual piece of armor for initial Version 1 approval and then view Version 2 with the “Specialist” equipment. Additionally, we have now included Level 2 requirements so that Death Troopers can take their armor to the next level and submit for the 501st Special Operations “Specialist” Program. This is not to be confused with the Version 2 “Specialist Variant.” Accommodations were considered for all the current Death Trooper armor makers’ kits when proposing the updates. This will allow individuals who are currently in the process of building kits to continue with what they have and not have to buy new pieces or change what they have right now. Almost all the changes to the CRL are cosmetic and clarifications to what is currently in the CRL. As the items are listed, there may be additional links to photos that we used when working out the details of the updates. Some of those links will become part of the CRL are “reference photos” and will assist builders and GMLs as they go through the build or approval process. Other links maybe inserted as the photos or comments were used when we discussed the updates and will provide answers for many questions as to how or why we came up with the changes. This “Proposed Update” will be posted in this sub-forum for public discussion and input. There have been discussions recently of how certain pieces of the Death Trooper armor were constructed and attached with other pieces, but because none of that is visible when the costume is worn, it was not considered a requirement for the CRL. Keep in mind that the CRL is not intended to be a detailed “how a costume was constructed” document but rather a visual guide to be used for 501st costume approval. There have been no changes to “how a piece was attached or strapped to another” nor will there be any updates to the CRL which reflect that. To put it in layman’s terms; If it looks like a Death Trooper, walks like a Death Trooper, and talks like a Death Trooper, then it is a Death Trooper. Description: Imperial Death Trooper Version 1 “Basic” Prefix: TX Detachment: Spec Ops Detachment Context: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Death troopers were an elite variant of the Galactic Empire's stormtroopers. They served as protective details and bodyguards for important Imperial officers. They also acted as guards for officers in the Tarkin Initiative. They wore black suits of armor and specialized helmets that scrambled verbal communications. Death troopers were trained in unarmed combat, heavy weapons, and sniping. As they specialized in commando missions, the troopers were experts at covering their tracks, leaving little evidence of their missions. Costume Weathering: ● The costume's armor and hard pieces are gloss black. ● The Death Trooper costume may be slightly weathered to produce a worn look. The weathering must be uniform across all costume parts. If weathered, a light grey or white tint paint wash, or dry brush technique, or powder dusting may be used to create the oxidized or dirty effect. More information can be found on the SpecOps Detachment Forums. https://imgur.com/a/lIiZAxN Contrasting Color Scheme: ● Some parts have a contrasting color scheme between gloss black, matte or metallic black, matte silver, or matte dark gray. More information can be found on the SpecOps Detachment Forums. https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Some parts have addition colors to highlight recesses or grooves. These are defined in each piece’s description along with reference photos. Black text indicates a feature that is required for approval. Blue text denotes requirements for Level 2 "Specialist” but is not required for basic approval. Red text indicates features that take the prop/costume item to an even higher level of accuracy. For 501st membership only the requirements listed in black need to be met. Special Notes: ● The armor parts shall be gloss and made from one of these types of materials or like materials: Fiberglass, PLA, PETG, ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene), or HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene). ● If any of the parts are 3D printed there shall be no visible print lines ● Blasters are not required for Legion membership per our weapons policy. This Visual Guide has been reviewed by the detachment staff and the LMO team and is certified for use as a minimum approval guideline for GMLs. GMLs are free to approve this costume type. ● This document is not intended to be a detailed how-to on costume construction; rather a visual guide to be used for 501st costume approval. Details on construction may be found on the respective costume detachment web forum. ● GMLs uncertain about an aspect of submitted costume shall post questions in the appropriate DL/GML peer review section of the Legion forum. ● Measurements given in this document are intended to be approximate and generalized and are not criteria for Level 1 approval but may be required for Level 2 requirements. ● Requirements for all 501st costumes are proportional to the wearer in scale, fit and size. ● Text descriptions are only one part of the guideline. GML's and costumers must consider both text and pictures (CRL and Reference) when reviewing the costume. Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below. Helmet ● Gloss black in color, consistent with the rest of the costume (Except as where a variance is noted, See Color Scheme Guide) https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Is in proportion to the rest of the costume ● The brow extends out beyond the lenses forming a significant overhang o There is a matte black/rubber stripe extending to the traps on each side ● Matte black/dark grey traps are present on each side o A line extends from the trap to the lower helmet tube forming a side plate ● The eye lens is one continuous piece with a dark green tint and should obscure the wearer’s eyes. ● Helmet has elongated angular face plates separated by a nose bridge o The angular plates are layered in appearance o Alternating metallic black panels starting with <> Left side plate directly under the eye lens <> Right side angular outer face plate <> Left side angular plate closest to the nose bridge ● The nose bridge is matte black color, with a brushed aluminum silver weathered look which extends to the snout and consists of o 4-6 small horizontal rectangular vent/ribs extending from the top of the nose bridge to approximately ¼ way down o 6-8 larger horizontal rectangular vent/ribs run from ⅔ towards the bottom o 7-9 vertical vent/ribs connect from the nose bridge to the snout o Two vent tubes in black rubber or matte black paint are evident on either side of the face plates ● The snout consists of: o A vented greeblie similar to that seen on the Scout Trooper without the aerator <> An oblong tusk on each side fitted with a dark green lens * Each tusk may be optionally fitted with back lighting which is green when illuminated. <> Some small ribs are evident on the curved sections of the oblong tusks, refer to photo for location. o The backing plate for the snout has horizontal rectangular vent/ribs ● There is a silver aluminum in color side panel with eight rectangular vent slots, even in size and spacing on each side of the face plate. o The vents are cut out and lined with steel small mesh and backed with black material o The side panels are slightly weathered with matte black paint ● The side plates below the traps have 3 shapes consisting of o A raised circular shape directly under the trap o A smaller raised circular shape under the larger circle offset to the rear of the side plate o A recessed vertical pill shape that is matte black or dark grey ● There are 9 rectangular traps at the rear of the helmet that are all matte black or dark grey consisting of o A large horizontal rectangular recess with two vertical oblong recesses on the inside o 3 smaller vertical rectangular recesses either side of the large one with the 3rd outermost one having a beveled edge towards the front of the helmet. o 2 small vertical rectangular recesses on the lower curved detail directly under the pills in the large rectangular recess ● The helmet may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Lenses are curved outward in a slight bulge and formed to the eye opening. ● Nose bridge vents/ribs have in these number in order from top to bottom; 6, 8, and 9 ● Shall be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● There is the appearance of a flat black rubber seal around the lower opening of the helmet neck tube which stops at the flat edges of the snout assembly. Undersuit ● Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. Neck seal, apron, poncho, abdomen/kidney, shorts, and elbow/knee gaskets may be attached to or part of the undersuit OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The shoulder and sleeves extending down to the elbow gaskets will be made of a black 1/16th - inches (1 - 2 mm) sewn ribbed “jersey” cloth or similar material The following shall be rubber or a smooth semi-gloss black material with sewn ribs. Neck Seal and Apron ● Neck seal has horizontal ribs approximately 3/8th inches (8 mm) wide ● Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area ● It has a concealed overlap join at the back of the neck ● The neck seal is attached to a black vertical sewn ribbed apron which is made of the same material as the neck seal ● Apron ribs are vertical and approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The apron extends across the front of the chest under the chest armor plate. Poncho ● Vertical ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● May include the neck seal and apron as part of its construction or could be a separate garment ● Where made as a separate garment it may not visible in the neck opening of the chest armor Elbow Gaskets ● Horizontal ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The elbow gaskets must extend from midway up the bicep armor to under the forearm armor covering all exposed areas of the elbow Abdominal/Kidney Gasket ● Diagonally angled down (approximately 30-45 degrees) ribs from back to front, approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide. Sewn lines are acceptable. ● Wraps around the wearer's torso and conceals all undersuit material. Shorts ● Horizontal ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The shorts extend up under the torso armor and belt and shall extend down under the thigh armor and must cover all exposed areas. Knee Gaskets ● Horizontal ribs approximately 3/16th - 1/4th inches (5 - 6 mm) wide ● The gasket shall cover all exposed areas of the knee For all the above items: OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The ribs must be stitched/sewn and not stamped or fake stitching and must continue to show sewn ribs when the gaskets are bent. Chest Plate and Shoulder Straps ● Gloss black in color ● Overlaps the abdominal plate ● Attaches to the back plate with shoulder straps that have a rectangular rib detailing, rubber in appearance and matte black in color. ● Ejection seat buckle and D-Ring shall be present on the front of each shoulder strap ● Chest plate extends under the arms to join with the back plate. Method of connection is not visible ● D-Ring is attached to a shorter strap, similar in appearance and size to the shoulder straps with a smooth trapezoid shape at the top end. ● Shall be present on chest plate sides under each arm. They will be angled forward approximately 45 degrees ● The elongated pill shaped recess in the bottom left hand corner of the chest plate must be present. ● The recesses and asymmetric panels may be matte or metallic black (See Color Scheme Guide) https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Chest plate may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Shoulder straps will be rubber with the same appearance as basic, but they will also have a slight inward angled curve following the shape of the neck opening ● Shall be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 Back ● Gloss black in color ● Has neck collar that extends up the back of the neck and tapers towards chest. The front ends of the collar extend over and lay flush with the chest plate. If the collar is separated into two pieces, the join seam will be aligned and as inconspicuous as possible. ● Extends over shoulders to meet chest plate ● Has rectangular backpack with two large square recesses towards the top o Left recess contains a cog with approximately 14 to 16 notches o Right recess has two vertical rectangular blocks with 5 horizontal lines towards the top. Refer to reference photos for specific details. o Rear face of backpack has a horizontal ridge which marks the center of its triangular profile o There is a small three-sided open recessed square outline located along the right edge of the lower section below the upper right corner o A smaller recess with detailing is located towards the bottom left of the backpack with a smaller recessed rectangle, the lower left corner is inverted into the center o Recessed semi-circular detail below and left of the backpack must be present o The recesses may be matte or metallic black (See Color Scheme Guide) https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The left recess cog must have 16 notches ● Both larger recesses have two small tabs located on the top edge and are offset from center and their bottom inside corners are diagonally cut ● Large square recesses have the appearance of being cut outs with the cog and rectangular blocks being inserts. ● Along the center horizontal ridge there is a raised oblong detail centered along the lower edge of the ridge with a small raised circle located below and centered ● The left lower recess rectangle’s lower left corner is inverted into the center and has the appearance of being a cut out with a backing plate applied. ● All recesses will be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 Lower Back ● Gloss black in color ● Is approximately the same width as the back’s rectangular backpack. ● Fitted centered and under the back plate and extends to below the top of the belt ● Begins with a flat edge at the top and tapering outward to straight sides at the bottom ● Has a recessed section with matching raised angular detailing to top section which may or may not be completely visible if covered by the upper back piece ● The horizontal thermal detonator is a circular canister with approximately 14 evenly spaced grooves extending to the end caps and is attached to the lower back armor. o Width is approximately the same as the lower back plate ● Lower back armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There are two small notches on the outer 1/5th of each side of the canister approximately 3/4th inches (20 mm) from the inner edge of the end caps and spaced approximately 1 - 1 1/4th inches (25-30 mm) apart on the lower edge of each horizontal grooves. Refer to reference photos for specific details. Shoulder Bells ● Gloss black in color. ● One on each shoulder and are not interchangeable. ● Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other. ● The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical. ● The front edge has an angled graduated step. ● The back edge has a straight downward edge with a rounded bottom corner. ● Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. o The grooves may be a matte black, metallic black, matte silver, or gray. o If coloring is used, the shoulder bells, biceps, forearms, and thighs must match ● Shoulder bells may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There will be minimal spacing between the shoulder bells and the shoulder straps Biceps ● Gloss black in color. ● Bicep armor detailing is mirrored on each arm ● The armor does not wrap the arm rather it extends approximately 3/4 way round the bicep ● It is held in place by one or two black elastic cord straps. ● The top and bottom edges are angled ● The forward-facing edges are angled at the top and bottom. The top edge angle aligns with the diagonal groove on the shoulder bell ● The armor has two vertical cover strips one on the outside of the arm and the other towards the rear. ● Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. o The grooves may be a matte black, metallic black, matte silver, or gray. o If coloring is used, the shoulder bells, biceps, forearms, and thighs must match ● Biceps may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● All grooves will be painted the same paint color scheme as the rest of the arm and leg armor pieces’ grooves Forearms ● Gloss black in color ● Forearms have raised cover strips with small outlining edges, to the front and rear which on the left forearm, end approximately 2 3/8th inches (60 mm) above the wrist ● The ladder detailing is evident and has approximately 13 rungs or 12 indents evenly spaced along its length o The indents’ coloring can be a result of weathering ● Forearms may be completely sealed or closed using a "clam shell" technique on the back seam but must present a completely closed appearance when worn ● Shallow grooves are present in a pattern. o They are asymmetrical on the left and right forearm. Refer to reference photos for details ● Left Forearm o Two bands of rubber or rubber-like material shall be evident near the wrist of the left forearm each having a clip like greeblie with the edge almost aligned with the front cover strip ● Metallic black or weathered silver colored cylindrical detailed parts shall be evident on the left forearm ● Forearms may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Gloves/Handplates ● Gloves are black with black leather or leather-like palm, thumb and forefinger. ● Extend underneath the forearm armor. ● Hand plates are trapezoidal in shape, have a diagonal step across them, and are mounted securely over the back of the glove. ● The raised section of the handplate extends towards the index finger and has an oblong recess on the vertical face ● Handplates may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There is a curved cut out in the forefinger leather Abdomen Section ● Gloss black in color. ● Shall be centered under the chest plate and the lower edge covered by the belt ● There shall be 7 horizontal ribs to the front of the plate with a rectangular plate below. o There must be a minimum of 2-4 visible when worn. o Four small notched squares, two each near the outer edges, are present and extend from the upper horizontal edge of the top six ribs. o The seventh or bottom one has no notches. Refer to reference photos for specific details. ● The rectangular plate is raised in relation to the ribs with rounded corners and a ring indent in the wearer's lower right corner. ● There are four polygons of various size and shape on each side of the abdomen piece with 4 more slanted “ribbed” details along the side of one of the polygons. Refer to reference photos for specific details. ● The asymmetric panels may be metallic black. Refer to Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 ● Abdomen section may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Shall be painted using the Color Scheme Guide https://imgur.com/a/38EiQr8 Codpiece ● Gloss black in color. ● Extends under the belt at the top ● Has a “U” shaped recess outline in the center ● A black elastic strap, approximately 1 - 1 1/4th inches (25 - 32 mm) 25mm to 32mm wide, is to be used to connect the cod and butt plates between the legs. ● Codpiece may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Posterior Armor ● Gloss black in color ● Has a raised rectangular section in the center which extends up under the belt. ● A black elastic strap, approximately 1 - 1 1/4th inches (25 - 32 mm) 25mm to 32mm wide, is to be used to connect the cod and butt plates between the legs. ● Posterior armor may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Belt ● The belt is ribbed and made from rubber or rubber-like material with no visible buckle or fastening mechanism ● There are approximately 28 ribs in total and the belt has an overall width of approximately 3 1/4th inches (84 mm) ● Buckle is brushed aluminum or aluminum-like finish and in the shape of an elongated "D". There are four progressively smaller square edge cutouts in a triangular formation on the wearer's right ● There are three black canvas pouches, approximate dimensions 6 3/4th x 2 3/4th x 1 3/8th inches (170 mm x 70 mm x 35 mm) with a hard plate on each pouch flap. o Pouches will have the appearance of being full ● Two of the pouches are positioned on either side of the belt buckle and equally spaced, the third is located on the wearer's right towards the back on the back of the belt and in close proximity to the right hip square box. ● There are two square boxes approximate dimensions 2 3/4th x 2 3/4th x 1 3/4th inches (70 mm x 70 mm x 46 mm) attached on either side of the belt in a location between the wearer's hip and kidney ● There is a pistol holster located on the wearer's right hip o The holster is made from black leather or leather-like material. It consists of a wide loop around the belt and extending down the thigh with a strap with snap to support the stock of the pistol and a second strap with snap which is secured around the pistol scope ● There is a leather or leather-style pouch, approximate dimensions 4 3/4th x 2 3/8th x 1 inches (120 mm x 60 mm x 25 mm), with a single press stud and no visible stitching located between front pouch and the belt box on the wearer's left ● Belt and belt accessories may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume Thighs ● Gloss black in color o Has the appearance of having a front and back section. Two vertical ribbed sections are present on the outer and inner thigh o The ribbed infill shall be made of black rubber, or a semi-gloss black material, or if part of the thigh pieces, have the appearance of being rubber or rubber like material. o The inside thigh ribbed section is wider than the outside ribbed section ● There shall be a raised cover strip to the front with recessed detailing along the edges o The front raised cover strip on the wearer's left thigh shall terminate at a rectangular box greeblie above the knee o The front raised cover strip on the wearer's right thigh includes a raised band running to the outside ● An inverted V-Shaped sniper plate shall be evident on the wearer's right thigh plate above the knee and below the horizontal raised band ● Both thighs shall have a diagonal raised detailing to the front running from the outer ribbed panel to the raise cover strip o This detailing continues from the cover strip to the base of the thigh armor as a recessed groove rather than a raised strip ● The wearer's left thigh armor shall have a rectangular box to the front which narrows in thickness from top to bottom and is centered above the knee ● There are two longer rectangular boxes attached around the outer thigh vicinity of the outer ribbed section ● The base of the rear thigh plates shall have a trapezoidal shaped cutout to allow knee movement. ● The rear thigh plates shall have a recessed groove detailing that arcs upwards from the base of outer edge towards the inner thigh edge. This shall terminate approximately 3/4 way up the inner thigh edge ● The grooves may be matte or metallic black, matte silver, or dark grey and must match the rest of the armor ● Thighs may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● All recesses will be painted the same paint color scheme as the rest of the arm and leg armor grooves/recesses Shins ● Gloss black in color ● There is a raised cover strip to the front and rear that runs full length ● Shallow grooves around the cover strips edges are present in a pattern matching the photo. ● At the bottom of each shin there is a raised angular extension or flap that wraps around the inner ankle forward from the rear cover strip. ● There is a raised strip that begins at the rear vertical cover strip angled up and around the left outside shin and joins the front vertical cover strip. ● If shins are closed with a “clam shell” techniques, rear upper and lower joins will be aligned ● The left shin has 2 small angular greeblies located towards the top at the front. They are on either side of the front cover strip ● The right shin has 4 vertical rectangular bar greeblies on the outside ● Shins may be slightly weathered but must be uniform with the rest of the costume OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There is a raised strip that begins at the rear vertical cover strip angled up and around the left outside shin and joins the front vertical cover strip. The top edge of the raised strip is angled and aligned as if it is an extension of the raised angular extension or flap just above the inside ankle ● Optional: There is an indented groove approximately 1/2 inch (13 mm) wide that runs along the inside bottom of both shins from the rear center to the beginning of the front boot arc. This detail is partially covered by the triangular closure flap. Boots ● Boots are made from matte black leather or leather-like material with a capped toe and seams as seen in the photo ● The sole shall have no heel ● The boots extend under the shins. ● All fastenings/laces are hidden behind a rectangular panel made of smooth rubber or a shiny black material with approximately 1/4th inches (6 mm) wide horizontal ribs. ○ The side edges of the panel shall be turned back on themselves to form a smooth rib-less border. ○ The rectangular panel extends from under the shin. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Original Dr Martens “Jered” shoes or replicas with a leather pull tab midway on the heel. ● The rectangular panels shall not be wider than the width of the top of the shoe and will lay as flat as possible against the shoe with the front edge not extending past the upper and sole seam. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for Version 1 (Basic) approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use. ● When submitting initial Version 1 (Basic) approval pictures, except for the Neuro-Saav Macromotion (NSM) Monitor, these items will not be worn so GMLs can clearly see all body armor and belt details. o Additional photos with these optional accessories added as a Version 2 (Specialist Variant) may be submitted to GMLs at the same time. If costume photos without optional accessories meet the Version 1 (Basic) approval requirements but photos with optional accessories do not meet the below approval requirements, GMLs may still approve the costume at Version 1 (Basic) level requirements. o Version 1 (Basic) approval by the GML will be required prior to being approved for Version 2 (Specialist Variant) Neuro-Saav Macromotion (NSM) Monitor ● Monitor sits on the left side of the helmet with a 3 mm LED to the front under the emitter slot. ○ If LED is operational, light must be green. Death Trooper SE-14R ● SE-14R Light Repeating Blaster. ● The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place. ● The ejection port is also evident. ● The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size. ● Weathering is optional OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● There is a small silver or gray circuit card pattern on the bottom rear just behind the hand grip Death Trooper Blaster E-11D ● Modified E-11. ● The main barrel is extended from in front of the power cell. ● The barrel extension has elongated slots cut into it along each side. ● A Surefire M300 Mini Scout tactical light or equivalent is fitted to the barrel extension. A resin cast is acceptable. ● The folding stock is in place. ● It is fitted with a HK416c retractable stock or similar. ● Laser pointer fitted below barrel with optional working red laser or LED to front. ● All decals/painted details and striping are in place. (Refer to reference photos) (These will be added to the CRL) o The red stripe located towards the rear of the barrel behind the magazine just prior to the stock extension maybe be substituted with a red LED lighted strip. o The two yellow squares inside a red outlined square located towards the rear of the barrel behind the magazine maybe be substituted with two yellow LED lighted squares. o Working red LEDs fitted into the prongs of the counter unit are optional. ● Weathering is optional but where done the barrel heat scorching must be evident. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● All LED, laser pointer, and flashlight options will be working ● The blaster will be the same size and proportions as the Sterling SMG which the blaster is patterned on. Its overall length with the shoulder stock extended should be between 30-32” or 76-82cm. Specialist Long Range Blaster Rifle ● Modified DLT-19 ● Fitted with telescopic scope. A resin cast or equivalent is acceptable. ● Has two tactical spotlight like devices fitted via scope mounts under the flash suppressor. Resin casts or equivalent are acceptable. o These devices are connected to the main body of the rifle via piping that runs along the barrel ● This rifle is not fitted with the M300 tactical light that is seen on the E-11D ● Black in color the rifle may be weathered. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● The two tactical spotlight like devices are operational and illuminate white. Version 2 - Death Trooper Specialist Variant (Will be added as an additional tab in the CRL) In addition to Version 1 (Basic) requirements, all the following is required for Version 2 - (Specialist Variant): ● Pauldron o Black leather-like material. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): ● Stitching pattern and shape will match the reference photo ● Chest Rig o Black in color made from cordura nylon, rhino canvas, or similar material. o Wraps around the front of the wearer covering the abdominal plate but not the belt or chest plate. o Webbing strap, approximately 7/8th - 1 1/4th (22 - 32 mm) wrap around the waist, buckling in the back or by looping through a 1 ½” x ¼” (38 x 6 mm) rectangular metal loop on the wear’s left side and then back upon itself. o Two webbing straps, approximately 7/8th - 1 1/4th (22 - 32 mm) run vertically up the chest armor and in through the front of the upper chest D-rings and then down the back of the vertical straps and are secured. There is one square open-faced military style located on each strap o Two short webbing straps, approximately 7/8th - 1 1/4th (22 - 32 mm) from the outside upper corners of the chest rig connect to the lower chest D-Rings o Has six ammo pouches with the two outer pouches on each side of the chest rig having rectangular armor plates covering the front of the pouch. The outermost armor plates contain a diagonal grove detail as seen in the reference photo. <> Each pouch has a HK G3 Ammo Magazine inserted. Resin cast or equivalent is acceptable. <>Three Frag grenades are present and attached to the two center ammo pouches with 1/2 - 3/4 inch straps ● Ammo Pouch o Black leather or leather like material. o Has three MP40 magazine pouches o Worn on left upper chest and attached to either the chest rig vertical strap or the left shoulder strap D-ring. o Cover flaps may be angled or squared o Visible stitching will be black Feedback and discussion will be open from now until 01 June 2020. If you have a comment about a certain item etc, instead of Quoting the whole post, copy and paste just what you are referring to into a new post. This will keep your post smaller and easier to respond to. Actual formatting and indentation symbology will be updated as needed once the Updated CRL is finalized and approved.
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I have Jim's kit, two things to note, Jim's kits have the wrist band "clamps" molded as part of the forearm, so if you get a set of the pre-made bands, you will need to smooth out the molded clamps, this will also involve some filling and patching as it will create holes where you removed the clamps. I used a 4 inch black rubber coupling from a local hardware store and cut the bands from the coupler. Because I have my forearms in the "clam shell" configuration, I simply cut the bands to the length needed to fit snugly and go from the edge of the molded clamp around the wrist and to the other edge of the clamp, then I epoxied about an inch of each end to the forearm. For extra security, I ran a 1/4 inch wood screw from the inside of the forearm up into the rubber band. After I put the screws in I backed them out, put a small amount of epoxy in each hole and then re-inserted the screws. Its been almost three years and lots of troopings and I have never had any issues with the set up.
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Excellent work Sal!
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Wook’s DT Build (850 ArmorWorks and Armoryshop)
Chaos replied to wook1138's topic in Imperial Death Trooper
@wook1138 Hey Greg, That looks amazing, I guess when I update my armor with a few things I will have to use the corset, Have you though about putting a snap or velcro on the side piece and under the TD to keep your belt more level? Maybe its your TD pushing down or your right hip canvas pouch that pulled the belt down. -
IB's products meet both the current CRL and upcoming Updated CRL requirements. You can acquire them with confidence. Best of luck with your build.
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Source for Eye Lens for Death Trooper Helmet
Chaos replied to DHKnecht's topic in Imperial Death Trooper
If you want to cut your own and fit it in your helmet you can use something like these and cut and heat bend to fit. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B62B5O6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_DfxGzbPCQM61P https://www.tapplastics.com/product/plastics/plastic_sheets_rolls/acrylic_sheets_transparent_colors/519 or you can go to the Vendor's list in this forum and contact the helmet vendor's and see if they sell just the lens piece. -
Looking awesome!
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Del meeko leather harness straps
Chaos replied to Bear1605's topic in Armor Tips, Tricks and Tutorials
I think the issue your GML might be having is that though your leather strap has the correct stitching, it looks to be lacking the "ribbing". Yours looks flat where as the CRL and Game look to be raised "ribbing". -
@SrtWnab Austin, Welcome to the darker side of The Darkside! Looks like you did your research and are well on your way. Good call on the helmet liner, it gives you so much more room for all the electronics PLUS more air circulation. I did the same with my helmet and am glad I did, while trooping in Hawaii during the summer, it was nice to have that extra air flow. For those items that you are unsure about or having a hard time finding, go check out the Updated Vendor's list, its pretty complete and offers several different vendors for most items. I went with an @ukswrath helmet audio system as I prefer the in helmet audio (I hate wires running down my neck seal, plus it makes it easier to take off the helmet for those short breaks during trooping. If you do have any questions about any of the vendor's items post them up here, we have plenty of people who have used items from every vendor and can give you the pros and cons of each. Looking forward to watching your build progress, best of luck. "Chaos" Death Trooper/Shadowtrooper/FO TIE Pilot (in-progress)/FO Sith Trooper (in-progress)
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Haven't tried it yet but am going to use this process. It's two videos. Hope this helps!
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@AgentDarthMando Ben, Denis at Armory Shop makes several different sized helmets. You might want to measure your head and see if he has one large enough for you.
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Dániel, I have a request. When you get a chance Can you take good quality and well lit pictures of your armor again just as if you were submitting initial approval pictures. I am impressed with your work on it and I could use some good quality photos. You are correct Level 2 is coming along with the updated CRL and I will be looking for (if needed) photos of basic and Level 2 photos and I would like to check out yours and possibly use them for reference material. If you can do that I think we can also provide you with some feedback.
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Thank you but your's is way more detailed than mine, I have quite a few things I am going to do to mine as well. Especially with the weathering. Its about three years old and has been trooped in quite a lot so I have the dings and scratches covered just thru normal wear. What I am going to do it use your talc and hairspray method. Thank you for sharing that. I have recommended that technique to others on here and I think that is probably a better way to go than dry paint brushing. At least with your method you can change it up if needed.
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I am not familiar with the 850 armor and construction, maybe post up in here with photos and the guys that have done 850 can help you out with their techniques. Plus it will help others that follow.
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Ryan, looking good, make sure that as you go thru your assembly you take a good look at the details that are in the CRL photos and the parts' descriptions. I can't tell because you didn't post a side view with you wearing your upper armor, but it looks like your lower side buckles are pointing straight down, they need to be angled forward approximately 45 degrees.
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Ryan, Welcome to the darker side of The Darkside! As I mentioned in our PMs, slow and steady with the paint and weathering. Post up in here as you progress each step, and ask questions, there are a lot of knowledgeable people on here who are happy to mentor. Also, you might want to make an "imgur" account to up load your high quality photos and use the BBCode (message boards & forums) copy link to paste in your build thread. It makes it easier to upload and view your photos here. Best of luck, your helmet is looking great so far, so keep it going and work on those things I mentioned. "Chaos" Death Trooper/Shadowtrooper/FO TIE Pilot (in-progress)/FO Sith Trooper (in-progress)
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Had some questions about the routing of the chest straps to the shoulder rings. I am not at my kit so I cant take photos right now, but this should help explain it. If not just ask.
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Jeremy, thanks, that is what I was going for, I have seen some people producing the ST Blaster but they have a lot of the details missing. I can't wait to get home so I can print this bad boy out. I've got a blaster sound board (not BlastFx but another he produces) and LED system coming from TRamp, I'll update the audio file to sound like the ST toy sound. I took this sound file from a video review of the blaster. I'll have to separate the different blast clips, but that is easy. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv4yw9krkh843eh/ST Blaster Audio.mp3?dl=0 When I get the kit, I will probably modify the internal cut outs so that the sound board,LED, speaker, trigger switch etc all fit as "drop ins" I'm just waiting in the TRamp delivery here in AFG so I can take the measurements.
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Attention Vendors, We updated our vendor list on 25 Feb 2020. Announcements we posted on many of the main Facebook pages and groups that we could find. Also emails were sent to vendors on the previous Vendors' list. Those that replied were added. If you wish to be added to our Death Trooper Parts Vendor List please follow the below instructions: Format your information as below, this allows for us to be able to copy and paste into our master tracking sheet and to be able to verify you as a Vendor. When filling in information just copy and paste the below example format into a new “reply” window or into a word processing file of your choice. Once pasted, delete the example information and add in any information that you might have. If don’t produce an item listed, leave it blank or put N/A. Thank you for your assistance in helping us keep our Troopers up to date. Example: Costume Name: Imperial Death Trooper Helmet: - Mickey’s Trooper Factory web site - www.mickeystrooperfactory.com, Facebook – www.facebook.com/12345678, Etsy – www.etsy.com/MTF, email – info@MTF.org - Canyon Road Armory – www.CRA.de, etc etc etc. Armor: Same format as above Neck Seal/Gaskets: Gloves: Undersuit/Gaskets included: Belt: Holster: Boots: Optional Accessories: Neuro-Saav Macromotion (NSM) Monitor: Chest Rig: Ammo pouches (belt or shoulder): Pauldron: Blasters: E-11D: SE-14R: DLT-19D: Grenades: HK Magazines (for chest rig) “Stormie”: Electronics: Notes: You can make any annotations which pertain to your shop in this section, such as “MTF only takes Paypal,” "Custom fit." etc. Once you send or post your information we will check and verify and then update our Vendor List. Thank you in advance:
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Below is a list of Vendors for the Imperial Death Trooper that are in good standing with the Spec Ops Detachment. This list is not all inclusive and there are other Vendors that make items for the Death Trooper. Many were contacted and did not reply to our request to update their information. Should other Vendors provide us with their information we will update this list accordingly. If you know or use a Vendor that is not listed, contact them and have the Vendor contact us and we will add them. Recommendations are welcome but will not be added to this list unless provided by the Vendor themselves. The Spec Ops Detachment does not endorse any Vendor over any others. It is up to you the Trooper to do the research and exercise due diligence when purchasing any products from Vendors. The Spec Ops Detachment does not get involved in any disputes that a customer may have with a Vendor and even though these Vendors are considered to be in “Good Standing,” it is not uncommon for issues to arise that must be worked out between the buyer and seller. The Spec Ops Detachment endorses a “Buyer Beware” philosophy on any and all transactions. Costume Name: Imperial Death Trooper Helmet: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com , www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Finished and Unfinished kits, gel coated fiberglass • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com , www.facebook.com/jim.tripon Unfinished kits, Fiberglass resin cast • 850 Armor Works o www.850armorworks.com , www.facebook.com/850armorworks , www.etsy.com/shop/850ArmorWorks Finished and Unfinished kits, ABS • MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops , www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop Poly-Resin cast • KB Props - Kevin Brice o www.facebook.com/pg/KBProps , kbprops@yahoo.com Resin cast • Anovos o www.anovos.com/collections/star-wars Fiberglass Disney / Lucasfilm Ltd. licensed products Armor: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com , www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Finished and Unfinished kits, gel coated fiberglass • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com , www.facebook.com/jim.tripon Unfinished kits, Fiberglass resin cast • 850 Armor Works o www.850armorworks.com , www.facebook.com/850armorworks , www.etsy.com/shop/850ArmorWorks Finished and Unfinished kits, ABS • TDK Props - Tom Campbell o www.facebook.com/TDK-Props-537706609725029/ , www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007031235190 3D Files • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop 3D Printed Custom tailored individual kits. RAW Printed or Finished Painted. No strapping included. 3D printed in flexible filament • KB Props - Kevin Brice o www.facebook.com/pg/KBProps , kbprops@yahoo.com Unfinished kits, ABS • Anovos o www.anovos.com/collections/star-wars Fiberglass Disney / Lucasfilm Ltd. licensed products • MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files Neck Seal/Gaskets: • Darman's Props o www.etsy.com/shop/DarmansProps • Premier Props - Aaron Green o www.facebook.com/PremierProps-1144418089072968 , www.etsy.com/shop/PremierProps • Geeky Pink's Phantastic Gaskets o www.facebook.com/GeekyPinksPhantasticGaskets/ Custom neck seals and gaskets • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com , www.facebook.com/jim.tripon Gloves: • Endor Finders o www.endorfinders.com , www.facebook.com/endorfinders/ • Imperial Boots o www.facebook.com/ImperialBoots.421 , www.imperialboots.com • Crowprops o https://www.facebook.com/crowprops , https://crowprops.bigcartel.com/ Undersuit/Gaskets included: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Individual pieces • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com www.facebook.com/jim.tripon Two piece suit with neck seal and all gaskets • The Darkside Closet o www.facebook.com/TheDarkSideCloset/ , mikejq123@yahoo.com Custom measurements Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop Custom measurements Belt: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Complete kit • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com www.facebook.com/jim.tripon Complete kit • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop Complete kit • KB Props - Kevin Brice o www.facebook.com/pg/KBProps , kbprops@yahoo.com Belt material, belt buckle, hip boxes, and pouch covers Holster: • Darman's Props o www.etsy.com/shop/DarmansProps • A&J Projects o www.facebook.com/ajprojects/ , aandjproj@gmail.com Boots: • Imperial Boots o www.facebook.com/ImperialBoots.421 , www.imperialboots.com Order their “Killer” set • Crowprops o https://www.facebook.com/crowprops , https://crowprops.bigcartel.com/ Gio makes the larger sizes up to US 15 • Ebay and Craigslist – look for Doc Martens Jared (screen used) or Talib (acceptable) either works Optional Accessories: Neuro-Saav Macromotion (NSM) Monitor: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com www.facebook.com/jim.tripon • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files Chest Rig: • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com www.facebook.com/jim.tripon • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop • A&J Projects o www.facebook.com/ajprojects/ , aandjproj@gmail.com Ammo pouches (belt or shoulder): • Jimmiroquai Armor/Jim Tripon o jimmiroquai@yahoo.com www.facebook.com/jim.tripon belt and chest rig covers • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop belt and chest rig covers • A&J Projects o www.facebook.com/ajprojects/ , aandjproj@gmail.com belt and chest rig covers MP40 shoulder pouches Pauldron: • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop • A&J Projects o www.facebook.com/ajprojects/ , aandjproj@gmail.com Blasters: E-11D: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Fiberglass • MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files • Premier Props - Aaron Green o www.facebook.com/PremierProps-1144418089072968 , www.etsy.com/shop/PremierProps 3D printed kit • Jerry Budde o www.facebook.com/jerry.budde.92 3D printed kit • Christopher Fieldmarshal Vandenberghe o www.warmachinepaintball.com , www.ebay.com/usr/vmusicstore Metal kit and parts SE-14R: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Fiberglass • MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files • Premier Props - Aaron Green o www.facebook.com/PremierProps-1144418089072968 , www.etsy.com/shop/PremierProps 3D printed kit • Jerry Budde o www.facebook.com/jerry.budde.92 3D printed kit • A&J Projects o www.facebook.com/ajprojects/ , aandjproj@gmail.com Resin DLT-19D: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Fiberglass • MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files • Premier Props - Aaron Green o www.facebook.com/PremierProps-1144418089072968 , www.etsy.com/shop/PremierProps 3D printed kit Grenades: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer 3D printed kit • MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files • Premier Props - Aaron Green o www.facebook.com/PremierProps-1144418089072968 , www.etsy.com/shop/PremierProps 3D printed kit • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop 3D printed kit • Jerry Budde o www.facebook.com/jerry.budde.92 3D printed kit • A&J Projects o www.facebook.com/ajprojects/ , aandjproj@gmail.com 3D printed HK Magazines (for chest rig) • MCM Designs (previously TDK Props or known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as MCM Design's files (Previously known as Tom's files))) o https://www.facebook.com/mmart360design, https://cults3d.com/en/users/MCM_Design/creations, mmart360@gmail.com 3D Files • Armory Shop Props o custom@armoryshopprops.com , www.facebook.com/armoryshopprops www.instagram.com/armoryshop_official/ , www.etsy.com/shop/armoryshop 3D printed kit • A&J Projects o www.facebook.com/ajprojects/ , aandjproj@gmail.com 3D printed “Stormie”: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer 3D printed kit Electronics: • Plastic Arms Dealer o www.plasticarmsdealer.com www.etsy.com/shop/PlasticArmsDealer , www.facebook.com/plasticarmsdealer Sound board for blasters and helmets • 850 Armor Works o www.850armorworks.com www.facebook.com/850armorworks , www.etsy.com/shop/850ArmorWorks Helmet electronics included with full builds • Trooper Tronix o www.facebook.com/TrooperTronix/ , www.etsy.com/shop/TrooperTronix Helmet fans • TRamp - Trooper Amp o www.facebook.com/trooperamp/ , paul@pwhitrow.com BlastFX blaster sound card Voice Audio • UKSWRATH o www.facebook.com/groups/169759240342444/ , http://tk10116.com/ , https://www.etsy.com/shop/UkswrathsSpeciality Helmet electronics Voice Audio Helmet fans
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@Lee_C_77 any updates on this? What was the color code?