Purge Trooper (Phase II) - Kenobi - Discussion

[smoszer]

Sounds good. I'll adjust the outline and write an adjusted version to require the ribbing for lvl.1

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Here is a suggested rough draft

Lvl:1

Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs. Zippers are allowed but must not be visible.

ribbing material must be present anywhere undersuit is shown

All ribbing must be horizontal 

Waist must have matching ribbing material 

Lvl:2

Ribs must not be wider then 1/4 inch

The undersuit is a one piece construction 

The forearms are smooth and made from a smooth vinyl/rubber like material 

A zipper runs along the entire front of the undersuit and incloses the front of the undersuit. 

Lvl:3

Black stitching runs between every rib of the jumpsuit 

[smoszer]

A couple of things. It was stated earlier in the forum that there is no level 3 option in Spec. Ops CRLs. So we'll have to have lvl. 1 & 2

For the following line we may want to outline the smooth material with fabric names and I also think we should state that the lower calves are also this material. 

 

The forearms and lower calf area are made from a smooth, stretchable fabric such as spandex or lycra.

 

thoughts? 

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Okay if that's the case then I suggest we scrap the stitching between ribs. That's such a fine un noticeable detail that if there is not level 3 is probably not even worth mentioning. As far as the smooth parts we could just allow it to be the same material as the non ribbed parts. The imperial boots jump suit matches the reference photo exactly and that's how his are.

[smoszer]

Maybe I'm not clear on what your writing about the smooth fabric so I'm just going to verify my suggestion.

 

The smooth area is the same as the non-ribbed area. So there are two materials/fabrics used. One that has the horizontal ribbed fabric for all visible areas and the other non-visible areas are the smooth spandex or lycra fabric.

Are we saying the same thing?

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Correct. There is one photo I have where the forearm looks more like a vinyl or leather type material but going through my references that's the only one that appears that way so it's probably just that pic. I say let's just have the smooth parts the same fabric as the other smooth parts of the jump suit.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Updated suggestion

Lvl:1

 

Black non-textured material, either one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs. Zippers are allowed but must not be visible.

 

ribbing material must be present anywhere undersuit is shown

 

All ribbing must be horizontal 

 

Waist must have matching ribbing material 

 

Lvl:2

 

Ribs must not be wider then 1/4 inch

 

The undersuit is a one piece construction 

 

A zipper runs along the entire front of the undersuit and incloses the front of the undersuit. 

The forearms and calves are smooth and contain no ribbing. 

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Here is a suggestion for the neck seal

Lvl:1

Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck.

Ther is a bib attached to the neck seal made from the same ribbing material as the undersuit. 

Bib must be large enough to cover the entire neck opening of the chest and back armor 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Thanks for the patience, I've been traveling for work and days have been LONG. I don't think we ever published the finalized (for now) Helmet text:

I did a little changes with the purple text.

Helmet

• Gloss black in color, consistent with the rest of the costume.
• Lens must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. The eye lens is one continuous piece with a mirrored red tint.
• The central vocoder (chin detail) may be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate or it may be molded as a part of the mouth plate, but with a prominent recessed outline to create the appearance of being separate.
  • The top part of the vocoder is rectangular in shape, with two clipped dog ears on the top corners.
    • A smaller plate of identical shape sits on the top of this panel, leaving a narrow margin around each edge. There is also an angular cut out at the top of the right edge of this plate.
    • A second rectangular plate sits on the top of the first, covering approximately 40% of bottom of the lower plate.
    • There is a raised horizontal line on the lower left side of this top plate.
    • There is a small square recess underneath this raised horizontal line.
  • The main body of the vocoder sits below the panel described above.
    • 9 raised ridges run vertically across the vocoder.
    • Angled wings at the top of either side of the vocoder ridges, each slightly under approximately 50% of the length of these ridges. These wings angle down to the rest on top of the main mouth plate.
• Square profile side tusks run back from the lower edges of this front plate.
  • Recessed rectangular metallic silver screens are inset into the greeblie in the front of each side tusk. Each greeblie has a raised ridge on 3 sides, angling up from the bottom side of the greeblie.
  • 6 pill shapped symmetrical recessed stripes on each tusk, with the bottom of the recesses filled with red to match the pauldron, belt accessories and left bicep armor.
• A small raised horizontal rectangle with a recessed line is located below the vocoder.
• The frown must have 10 teeth cut out and any raised teeth or angled recesses are painted silver.
• There is a silver rectangular plate on the nose, between the teeth and the front plate, with a silver half moon greeble on top. This plate is recessed below the angled face plates on either side. The half moon greeble is level with the adjacent face plates.
• There is symmetrical recesses with a pill shaped greeblie on each side between the side tubes and the cheeks.
  • The top of the greeblies are split in half with the top half being flat and the bottom half having 4 raised ridges that are level with the flat half.
• There are sharp angular cheekbones sculpted into helmet face plate running in a triangular shape below the lens opening.
• There are 3 raised ridges run from the center of the brow, over the top of the helmet and down to the rear center of the helmet skirt. The central ridge is approximately 2.5 times wider than the ridges to either side of it.
• A winged greeblie sits below the center of the brow ridge and above the eye lens.
• The top of the helmet is separated from the face plate by a horizontal band running above the brow. A groove separates the top of the helmet and the rear skirt, running across the back of the helmet, meeting the brow band on either side. The side greebles (communicators/range finders) are attached on top of the joints between the band and the ridge on either side of the helmet.
• Symmetrical rectangular greebles (communicators/range finders) with semi-circular ridges underneath, present at the back of each side of the brow band, situated on top of the point where the front band meets the rear groove.
  • The greeblie contains two raised and stacked squares, each with a circular LED or sculpted imitation located near the front, and a single recessed line in the shape of a square outlining the back two thirds of the greeble.
  • OPTIONAL - The top and bottom may be lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.
• There are 2 small pill shaped double indentation in the bottom corners of the faceplate, under each ear. The rear indentation is vertical and slightly longer than the front indentation that angles toward the front of the helmet. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The central vocoder (chin detail) shall be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate.
• The aforementioned greeblie on the back of each side of the brow band must have the top and bottom lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

That looks solid.

[smoszer]

Lvl:1

Base undersuit is black, non-textured material, either one or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs.

Zippers are optional but must not be visible.

Ribbing material must be present anywhere undersuit is shown

All ribbing must be horizontal

Each rib and groove can be no wider than 3mm or 1/8 inch (one rib and one groove equal 6 mm or 1/4 inch)

Lvl:2

The undersuit is one piece construction 

A zipper runs along the entire front and encloses the front of the undersuit. 

Non-visible areas of undersuit (forearms, center of thighs, waist and calves) are black, non-textured material stitched to ribbed material. 

[smoszer]

Ryan, I think the helmet outline additions are good. The one question I have is around the added section about the teeth. I think we should clarify by removing the text about the cut outs. We discussed having an option to have the recess go all the way through and back it with a screen like some of the Tie helmet requirements, or have a base at the bottom. The conversation was to have a solid base at the bottom in the recessed area.

• The frown must have 10 teeth cut out and any raised teeth or angled recesses are painted silver.

 

• Frown must have 10 angled teeth that are separated by recessed gaps - all painted silver. Gaps can not cut through to the inside.

[smoszer]

 

neck seal

Lvl:1

Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck.

Bib is attached to neck seal using black material.

If Bib is worn outside of undersuit it must be made from same ribbing material as undersuit. Bib must be large enough to cover the entire neck opening of the chest and back armor 

[smoszer]

Starting the Pauldron. Thoughts???

Pauldron lvl. 1 Made of vinyl material. Five black angled panel sections of descending size are placed on the front and on the back of base. A black narrow center panel section joins the front and back base panels near the neckline Shoulder panel consists of a large red panel large enough to cover the entire body of the pauldron trimmed with black. A 15 mm silver snap covering a black strip appear on the front and back edge Snap attaches to 15 mm strap that runs under the arm and attaches front to back of pauldron lvl. 2 Black base and strap are made of leather.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

One thing I'd recommend is just wording it alittle more simple to make it more user friendly. All the details are good. This is a draft I wrote a little while back. We can take bits and pieces if needed. One thing I think we definitely want to mention is the corners being cut at an angle and the end being flat.

Pauldron is based off the sand trooper design 

 

There is a strap that runs along the bottom of the bicep to secure pauldron to shoulder and is secured by a silver snap on the front and back side

 

Pauldron is a one piece design with no opening or closing strap on the end.

 

Pauldron is flat on the end with the corners being cut at about a 45° degree angle

 

There are 6 vertical stitches that run up the front and back of the pauldron 

 

There is a black stich that runs about a 1/4 inch in that runs along the outside perimeter of the pauldron 

 

There is a large red peice of vinyl that is attached on top of the pauldron

 

The red vinyl is cut to allow the outer black edges to show and is cut out around the arm stud

 

Lvl2

 

Pauldron is made from real leather

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Thanks for tidying up the helmet Ryan, that looks much better.  As Scott mentions, the teeth are definitely not cut out so I'll make that one final alteration below and we should have the helmet sorted:

Helmet

• Gloss black in color, consistent with the rest of the costume.
• Lens must be sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. The eye lens is one continuous piece with a mirrored red tint.
• The central vocoder (chin detail) may be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate or it may be molded as a part of the mouth plate, but with a prominent recessed outline to create the appearance of being separate.
  • The top part of the vocoder is rectangular in shape, with two clipped dog ears on the top corners.
    • A smaller plate of identical shape sits on the top of this panel, leaving a narrow margin around each edge. There is also an angular cut out at the top of the right edge of this plate.
    • A second rectangular plate sits on the top of the first, covering approximately 40% of bottom of the lower plate.
    • There is a raised horizontal line on the lower left side of this top plate.
    • There is a small square recess underneath this raised horizontal line.
  • The main body of the vocoder sits below the panel described above.
    • 9 raised ridges run vertically across the vocoder.
    • Angled wings at the top of either side of the vocoder ridges, each slightly under approximately 50% of the length of these ridges. These wings angle down to the rest on top of the main mouth plate.
• Square profile side tusks run back from the lower edges of this front plate.
  • Recessed rectangular metallic silver screens are inset into the greeblie in the front of each side tusk. Each greeblie has a raised ridge on 3 sides, angling up from the bottom side of the greeblie.
  • 6 pill shapped symmetrical recessed stripes on each tusk, with the bottom of the recesses filled with red to match the pauldron, belt accessories and left bicep armor.
• A small raised horizontal rectangle with a recessed line is located below the vocoder.
• The frown must have 10 raised teeth, with angled recesses painted silver.
• There is a silver rectangular plate on the nose, between the teeth and the front plate, with a silver half moon greeble on top. This plate is recessed below the angled face plates on either side. The half moon greeble is level with the adjacent face plates.
• There is symmetrical recesses with a pill shaped greeblie on each side between the side tubes and the cheeks.
  • The top of the greeblies are split in half with the top half being flat and the bottom half having 4 raised ridges that are level with the flat half.
• There are sharp angular cheekbones sculpted into helmet face plate running in a triangular shape below the lens opening.
• There are 3 raised ridges run from the center of the brow, over the top of the helmet and down to the rear center of the helmet skirt. The central ridge is approximately 2.5 times wider than the ridges to either side of it.
• A winged greeblie sits below the center of the brow ridge and above the eye lens.
• The top of the helmet is separated from the face plate by a horizontal band running above the brow. A groove separates the top of the helmet and the rear skirt, running across the back of the helmet, meeting the brow band on either side. The side greebles (communicators/range finders) are attached on top of the joints between the band and the ridge on either side of the helmet.
• Symmetrical rectangular greebles (communicators/range finders) with semi-circular ridges underneath, present at the back of each side of the brow band, situated on top of the point where the front band meets the rear groove.
  • The greeblie contains two raised and stacked squares, each with a circular LED or sculpted imitation located near the front, and a single recessed line in the shape of a square outlining the back two thirds of the greeble.
  • OPTIONAL - The top and bottom may be lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.
• There are 2 small pill shaped double indentation in the bottom corners of the faceplate, under each ear. The rear indentation is vertical and slightly longer than the front indentation that angles toward the front of the helmet. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• The central vocoder (chin detail) shall be molded as a separate piece and is inserted into a recess in the mouth plate.
• The aforementioned greeblie on the back of each side of the brow band must have the top and bottom lit using LEDs. The top LED must be a warm pale yellow (similar to a warm incandescent bulb), the bottom LED must be red.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

And just to make sure we get the suit finalised and agreed upon, I've just added a few small tweaks in purple below to increase clarity.  Let me know if you are happy for us to add this to the final text.

Lvl:1

• Base undersuit is made from a black, non-textured material, either one or two-piece construction with no visible logos/designs.
• Any zippers must not be visible when the full costume is worn.
• Ribbing material must be present anywhere the undersuit is visible when armour is worn on top.
• All ribbing must be horizontal.
• Each rib and groove can be no wider than 3mm or 1/8 inch (one rib and one groove equal 6 mm or 1/4 inch).

Lvl:2

• The undersuit is one piece construction .
• A zipper runs along the entire front and encloses the front of the undersuit.  This should not be visible when the full costume is worn.
• Non-visible areas of undersuit (eg. forearms, center of thighs, waist and calves) do not have ribbed material present.

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

While I'm in the process of catching up, I'll have a quick tweak of the neck seal too.  Thanks a million for pressing on with this Scott.

Even if the bib is worn inside the undersuit, I'd still suggest insisting that it be ribbed in case any of it shows above the undersuit's neck.

 

Neck Seal

Lvl:1

Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck.

A bib may extend from the bottom of the neck seal to ensure that the entire neck opening of the chest and back armour is covered.  The bib should be made from the same ribbing material as used on the undersuit.

[smoszer]

Everything looks good to me. I think all of the tweaks will help. I started the pauldron but let me know if this is the next logical piece to outline.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

2 hours ago, smoszer said:

Everything looks good to me. I think all of the tweaks will help. I started the pauldron but let me know if this is the next logical piece to outline.

Perfect 👍 Yes, good start on the pauldron too. I've two weddings in two days with a lot of traveling now, but I might get some time to look with some luck!

[dewannawanga[TX]]

There will be a decent about of undersuit showing in the opening of the neck when the armor is on. I would suggest we require the bib to be worn on the outside of the undersuit to cover this as the undersuit it's self won't have ribbing in that area.

[smoszer]

Brent, I think Daniel outlined the neck seal and made it more clear. Take a look and see if there's anything that needs further discussion. Just to update the status of the CRL to keep this moving, I wanted to get a consensus from the group. Can we call the helmet done? Do we feel the under suit is also complete? With the neck seal update from Daniel, is there anything else we need to discuss? If these three pieces are good for everyone, let's move onto the pauldron. Then we can decide if we want to finish the soft parts and work on the Kama and gloves, or go back to the heads down approach and cover the upper body armor starting with the shoulder bells and moving to the chest and back plate with backpack.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

I think those parts are solid and can be finished. I would suggest we wrap up all the soft parts since we are already on the subject. I feel the armor will go by relatively quickly since 90% of it is just seamed "realistic style" clone armor.

[dewannawanga[TX]]

Would you guys agree there is no type of closure on the pauldron? To me it looks to be one peice. What are your thoughts? 

https://www.flickr.com/cameraroll

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

My reading of it would be that there's a pop or velcro joining it towards the back of the left shoulder:

The neck hole looks simply too small for it to be possible to pull the entire thing down over the head as one fully enclosed piece. I would assume by default that it follows the pattern for other SW pauldrons and fastens over the left shoulder. Do we have any additional references that show this area clearly?