Imperial Super Commando - Gar Saxon (Rebels - Animated) CRL Discussion

[beren88]

11 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

That is interesting, I do agree that it looks tight in the pictures. I'm not sure that that just isn't a product of the animated style of Rebels. I did pull up a TIE fighter pilot and it looked somewhat similar, pretty form-fitting but perhaps a little larger. One thing we also have to consider is that the arms appear to have pleating on them or rows of stitching. It is more evident on the pictures of the "grunts" but I do see it in a few of the other pictures of Gar Saxon.

 

Here is Sabine as a TIE pilot with the fitting arms:

Also, on the brief topic of the soles. In this shot, Gar's boots appear to have a beige/tan sole:

 

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You may have to click it to enlarge it.

did you see the left side render of the helmet? any feedback on last renders of helmet? 

So then those boots i linked, would i be cool to buy them?

i feel like the pants and the top are two different materials, but that could just be me based on the fact that the top looks like those british military sweaters with that pleating.

soulart is part of the pr team for 501st and was on a few costume advisor roles, shoudl i invite her to this detachment so she can participate in the chat? i dont sew so she would be building it for me, her company she runs and makes a alrge number of 501st approved costumes is geeky pinks

i ask first as i dont want to step on toes, just want to ensure we bringing the best costume forward for the eventual crl

 

 

[MisterxM]

It's ok, I see it as a collaboration. I dont have any 3D modeling skill's & you're good in this. But I can share my feedbacks & I could help with CRL. Everyone can help. I don't care about being first, i care only about the best possible costume. We can help each other here on this forum. 

Honestly, i think it's a great idea to invite someone who have experience in sewing great, approvable Legion costumes. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 6/15/2023 at 3:34 PM, beren88 said:

did you see the left side render of the helmet? any feedback on last renders of helmet? 

So then those boots i linked, would i be cool to buy them?

i feel like the pants and the top are two different materials, but that could just be me based on the fact that the top looks like those british military sweaters with that pleating.

soulart is part of the pr team for 501st and was on a few costume advisor roles, shoudl i invite her to this detachment so she can participate in the chat? i dont sew so she would be building it for me, her company she runs and makes a alrge number of 501st approved costumes is geeky pinks

i ask first as i dont want to step on toes, just want to ensure we bringing the best costume forward for the eventual crl

 

 

Thanks Kevin, new renders look great.  One missed panel line on the right ear cap, but otherwise I couldn't see any issues:

For the boots, they'll probably need some alterations but they look a good starting point!

As for the undersuit, yes, as we discussed on pg2 the top and the pants definitely seem to be different material.  Would agree with the top being  of a similar style to British military pullovers (which are usually made from acrylic).  I would suggest either the pants are a separate garment of a different material, or they are part of a flight suit (which then have the ribbed top worn over the top half).  More than happy to have someone else jump in with some feedback, especially if they have a lot of experience with fabrics 🙂

So, to get our undersuit finished, this is where we last left it on pg2 (with some alterations from Ryan's earlier work).  Fire away with any additional feedback!

 

• Must be a two-piece garment, and must be properly fitted and shaped to the wearer.
• Must not have any visible pockets, pouches or zippers.
• The upper body part of the flight suit is maroon colored, in a heavily ribbed style similar to acrylic British military pullovers. The neck area of the flight suit goes halfway up the neck of the wearer to conceal skin when the helmet is worn.
• On each shoulder of the flight suit there is a white Imperial Cog emblem on a black background.
  • The cog is 3” (76.2mm) or 3.5” (88.9mm) diameter and 1” (25.4mm) from the shoulder seam.
  • The cog may be embroidered or vinyl.
• The lower body part of the flight suit is a very light grey or weathered white .  The lower part may be a separate trouser garment, or part of a one piece flight suit.  If a one piece jump suit, the upper body jumper should be worn over the garment so as to obscure any view of the flight suit underneath.
• The lower body part of the flight suit has the following seams:
  • On the outside of each leg there is a double-lapped seam which runs the entire length of the suit showing from the top of the shins up under the belt.
  • On the front just above the top of the knee armor which wraps around to the back of the flight suit and appears on the back.
  • On the back from the knee seam there is a seam that runs up the back of each thigh and then curves to the outside of the back under the belt. There is a horizontal seam that runs across the butt connecting both of these seams running up the back of each thigh.
  • On the back there is central double-lapped seam which runs from under the belt to the crotch of the wearer.

[beren88]

2 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Thanks Kevin, new renders look great.  One missed panel line on the right ear cap, but otherwise I couldn't see any issues:

For the boots, they'll probably need some alterations but they look a good starting point!

As for the undersuit, yes, as we discussed on pg2 the top and the pants definitely seem to be different material.  Would agree with the top being  of a similar style to British military pullovers (which are usually made from acrylic).  I would suggest either the pants are a separate garment of a different material, or they are part of a flight suit (which then have the ribbed top worn over the top half).  More than happy to have someone else jump in with some feedback, especially if they have a lot of experience with fabrics 🙂

So, to get our undersuit finished, this is where we last left it on pg2 (with some alterations from Ryan's earlier work).  Fire away with any additional feedback!

 

• Must be a two-piece garment, and must be properly fitted and shaped to the wearer.
• Must not have any visible pockets, pouches or zippers.
• The upper body part of the flight suit is maroon colored, in a heavily ribbed style similar to acrylic British military pullovers. The neck area of the flight suit goes halfway up the neck of the wearer to conceal skin when the helmet is worn.
• On each shoulder of the flight suit there is a white Imperial Cog emblem on a black background.
  • The cog is 3” (76.2mm) or 3.5” (88.9mm) diameter and 1” (25.4mm) from the shoulder seam.
  • The cog may be embroidered or vinyl.
• The lower body part of the flight suit is a very light grey or weathered white .  The lower part may be a separate trouser garment, or part of a one piece flight suit.  If a one piece jump suit, the upper body jumper should be worn over the garment so as to obscure any view of the flight suit underneath.
• The lower body part of the flight suit has the following seams:
  • On the outside of each leg there is a double-lapped seam which runs the entire length of the suit showing from the top of the shins up under the belt.
  • On the front just above the top of the knee armor which wraps around to the back of the flight suit and appears on the back.
  • On the back from the knee seam there is a seam that runs up the back of each thigh and then curves to the outside of the back under the belt. There is a horizontal seam that runs across the butt connecting both of these seams running up the back of each thigh.
  • On the back there is central double-lapped seam which runs from under the belt to the crotch of the wearer.

thanks. i will make that change to the helmet then and then do final renders for approval

what alterations to the boots would be needed you think?

what does the red part indicate in your text around colouring? that we havent decided yet?

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

13 minutes ago, beren88 said:

thanks. i will make that change to the helmet then and then do final renders for approval

what alterations to the boots would be needed you think?

what does the red part indicate in your text around colouring? that we havent decided yet?

Cheers!  Would you mind creating a new thread for your helmet and we can give everything the once over there once you're done.

I can't see any obvious alterations needed, I just don't want to give you false promises that they're perfect until we've checked the boots in detail.  My instinct is that they're as good as anything you'll find off the shelf though 🙂

Red text is just the text I've changed since the last draft - based on discussions we all had over the colour.  Originally I put grey because it was darker than the white armour, but the good point was made that it should be a very light grey (different from the Super Commandos for example).  So feedback welcome on all parts, but especially on the most recent changes (yellow and red).

[MisterxM]

I think that red text is absolutelly correct, it could be weathered white color, even is more possible then grey. 

I think that i will use two piece undersuit, british commando style sweater, of course with reworks & separated trousers. Maybe it will be easier than looking for special material for this upper part. I'm open for suggestions, if there's a different options like sewing this sweater with matching neck seal. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Yes, the key thing is the appearance, rather than trying to specify just one or two specific materials. I think the description we've developed captures the appearance quite well, and someone using a tight fitting British military pullover of the right colour would definitely match up. So long as the look is right howeve, we should leave alternate routes open to people.

Are there any other issues outstanding with the undersuit, or is everyone happy with it as it stands?

[beren88]

On 6/18/2023 at 1:32 PM, tipperaryred said:

Cheers!  Would you mind creating a new thread for your helmet and we can give everything the once over there once you're done.

I can't see any obvious alterations needed, I just don't want to give you false promises that they're perfect until we've checked the boots in detail.  My instinct is that they're as good as anything you'll find off the shelf though 🙂

Red text is just the text I've changed since the last draft - based on discussions we all had over the colour.  Originally I put grey because it was darker than the white armour, but the good point was made that it should be a very light grey (different from the Super Commandos for example).  So feedback welcome on all parts, but especially on the most recent changes (yellow and red).

New thread for helmet

i ordered the boots, i will post up in depth pictures once they arrive. I have thirty days to return them, so we can examine in depth if they will work or not once arrive.

I'm cool with the flight suit as presented.  if we are going that route, i can start shopping for fabric?

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

7 hours ago, beren88 said:

New thread for helmet

i ordered the boots, i will post up in depth pictures once they arrive. I have thirty days to return them, so we can examine in depth if they will work or not once arrive.

I'm cool with the flight suit as presented.  if we are going that route, i can start shopping for fabric?

 

I think we all seem to be in agreement on the fabric appearance for the top. The animated style of rebels makes the bottoms a bit tougher. It's difficult to tell whether it's a simple flightsuit of similar material to the TIE pilots, or whether it's something more form fitting. My instinct is towards the first. As Ryan pointed out, even the TIE suits look closer fitting due to the animation style.

[beren88]

4 minutes ago, tipperaryred said:

I think we all seem to be in agreement on the fabric appearance for the top. The animated style of rebels makes the bottoms a bit tougher. It's difficult to tell whether it's a simple flightsuit of similar material to the TIE pilots, or whether it's something more form fitting. My instinct is towards the first. As Ryan pointed out, even the TIE suits look closer fitting due to the animation style.

the seamstress i talked to thinks it is more form fitting. she said to me to think of a meterial like captain americas suit, has that tough look, but is form fitting stretch fabric to allow movement.

a flight suit is easier for sure, ala tie pilots,. just let me know what we going with and i will move that direction to find fabric

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

One thing I've been big with is allowing for similar appearing cloth types which accurately represent the "on-screen" aspect of the costume to allow for more global building of the costume at basic (L1) approval. If we want to get into specific materials I feel like those would be better suited for Specialist (L2) level of detail.

With that being said, I did a little adjustment on the CRL that @tipperaryred did as well, for the flight suit:

• May be a one-piece or two-piece garment, and must be properly fitted and shaped to the wearer.
• Must not have any visible pockets, pouches or zippers.
• The upper body part of the flight suit is maroon colored, in a heavily ribbed style similar to acrylic British military pullovers. The neck area of the flight suit goes halfway up the neck of the wearer to conceal skin when the helmet is worn.
• On each shoulder of the flight suit there is a white Imperial Cog emblem on a black background.
  • The cog is 3” (76.2mm) or 3.5” (88.9mm) diameter and 1” (25.4mm) from the shoulder seam.
  • The cog may be embroidered or vinyl.
• The lower body part of the flight suit is a very light grey or weathered white.
  • The lower part may be a separate trouser garment, or part of a one-piece flight suit.
    • If a one-piece jump suit, the upper body jumper should be worn over the garment so as to obscure any view of the flight suit underneath.
• The lower body part of the flight suit has the following seams:
  • On the outside of each leg there is a double-lapped seam which runs the entire length of the suit showing from the top of the shins up under the belt.
  • On the front just above the top of the knee armor which wraps around to the back of the flight suit and appears on the back.
  • On the back from the knee seam there is a seam that runs up the back of each thigh and then curves to the outside of the back under the belt. There is a horizontal seam that runs across the butt connecting both of these seams running up the back of each thigh.
  • On the back there is central double-lapped seam which runs from under the belt to the crotch of the wearer.

By adding "one-piece", it aligns with the rest of the text and also allows for more flexibility with body types, since we have no confirmation on renderings if it truly is 1 or 2 parts.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Perfect, I'd entirely agreed with keeping things flexible for lvl1. It's tough enough establishing materials when dealing with live action, and with animation it's practically impossible.

Are you happy with that too for lvl1 Kevin? If so, do we have the undersuit sewn up for now? Pun not originally intended, but now that I see it I've decided to leave it there.

[MisterxM]

In my opinion this is very good CRL text. So now it's time for looking the accurate fabric. When you will made the order for sewing this suit please include me in this plans. Of course I will pay for everything 🙂 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Perfect, I think we may be ready to move onto the chest/shoulder/abdominal armour.  Great work all!

[beren88]

3 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Perfect, I think we may be ready to move onto the chest/shoulder/abdominal armour.  Great work all!

Im cool with that.  did you look at the thread about the helmet? 

[beren88]

6 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Perfect, I'd entirely agreed with keeping things flexible for lvl1. It's tough enough establishing materials when dealing with live action, and with animation it's practically impossible.

Are you happy with that too for lvl1 Kevin? If so, do we have the undersuit sewn up for now? Pun not originally intended, but now that I see it I've decided to leave it there.

sounds good, i will start hunting for materials at fabric stores.  

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

I did yes, thanks a million for that.  I'm not seeing any additional issues with it yet, but I'm going to sit down this weekend with all the reference screens I have.  We want to make sure that it's as close to perfect as we can get it 🙂

[beren88]

21 minutes ago, tipperaryred said:

I did yes, thanks a million for that.  I'm not seeing any additional issues with it yet, but I'm going to sit down this weekend with all the reference screens I have.  We want to make sure that it's as close to perfect as we can get it 🙂

i agree 100%.  I want to ensure that when i print it, its bang on.  

i look forward to your feedback this weekend

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Before we move on to the next section, can I confirm that we're happy to go with just a turtleneck for the upper flight suit, as opposed to a specialised neck seal?

The concept art does clear show some skin around the top of the neck, so I would assume no neck seal or balaclava is required?

[MisterxM]

I saw a lot of British military style sweater's & most of them don't have a turtle neck. This is the biggest problem with them. So if we will go in this way we will need the special neck seal. 

[beren88]

3 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Before we move on to the next section, can I confirm that we're happy to go with just a turtleneck for the upper flight suit, as opposed to a specialised neck seal?

The concept art does clear show some skin around the top of the neck, so I would assume no neck seal or balaclava is required?

maybe we word it that it is a turtle neck or a neck seal depending on what can be found.  I will be getting mine made as a turtle neck just as i hate having a seperate neck seal like my current costume does

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

2 hours ago, MisterxM said:

I saw a lot of British military style sweater's & most of them don't have a turtle neck. This is the biggest problem with them. So if we will go in this way we will need the special neck seal. 

Very true Marcin.  We have enough clear images to know that it *should* be a turtleneck, but it may be hard to find this "off the shelf".

As Kevin says, I think we should leave both options open.  If someone finds or makes a turtleneck top that meets the description, great.  If they can only find a top with a low cut neck and cannot get it modified, they should be allowed to wear a neck seal so long as it is the same material as the top.  Something like the following?

It is permitted to wear a separate neck seal if a turtleneck top is not worn.  However, the neck seal should perfectly match the colour and material of the upper part of the flight suit, so that it appears to be the same garment when the chest armour is worn on top.

[MisterxM]

I think that classic, oval type of neck should be easier to rework as the "V-neck". And i also preffer reworking, that option will be more comfortable. 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Similar to the point I made earlier about one-piece vs two-piece and allowing options for both, I see the same thing here for the flexibility of the wearer. However, as stated, we definitely need to make sure that it appears as the same material and color of that of the upper part of the flight suit.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Flight suit text has been amended to allow for a neck seal if a turtleneck is not worn 👍