Imperial Super Commando - Gar Saxon (Rebels - Animated) CRL Discussion

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 11/4/2023 at 4:44 PM, beren88 said:

@tipperaryred

@IcyTrooper

im just sanding the helmet, and getting close to stage of starting the paint.  are we thinging semi gloss colours for the white of the armour? or a more matte look?  are we thinking they would be closer to stormtroopers in there shine?

It's difficult with animated costumes, but my instinct would be that it looks much the same as the animated TKs and Clones. Plus the whole point from a story perspective was Imperialising Mandalorians, so it would make sense that their armour would be made to resemble TKs.

[beren88]

5 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

It's difficult with animated costumes, but my instinct would be that it looks much the same as the animated TKs and Clones. Plus the whole point from a story perspective was Imperialising Mandalorians, so it would make sense that their armour would be made to resemble TKs.

i thought the same, but wanted to check in before i started on it.

[beren88]

5 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Great start. I'll look in more detail tomorrow, but I can see a correction already with the designs on the lower plate.

The designs are only slightly raised/embossed, and are below the middle plate above them. This middle plate has two semi circular cut outs that line up with the design below (similar to the cut out in the middle of the upper chest piece).

thanks, i look forward to the ful breakdown. i see what you mean already though

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 11/3/2023 at 6:10 PM, beren88 said:

hello all.

Been a crazy lead up to our local comicon last weekend.

That is doen and im back to working on the super commando.

The seamstress was at my comicon, so she has my measurements for sewing the pants since we established the shirt i posted from amazon worked just fine.

Here are some updates on the chest system.

please let me know any and all changes to make it perfectly accurate

 

 

You're definitely very close!  Just a few tweaks needed I think:

- Notch at the bottom of the upper chest plate needs to be less pointed.  More like a semi circle shape.

- The bottom edge of the lower chest plate needs to have a more gentle curve.  Less pointed at the top.

- If the details on the abdominal plate are embossed, they should only be raised up VERY slightly, if at all.  The reference images don't really show any elevation, so we could even state that these can be painted on or applied with decals.  What do you think?  You can see in the image below that the details on the abdominal plate don't stand out from the armour at all:

-  Finally, if you do cast those panels onto the abdominal plate, I think they need to be slightly narrower.  The lower chest plate needs two semi-circular notches cut into the bottom to line up with where those panel details appear on the abdominal plate.

 

 

[MisterxM]

Hi guys! I have plans for printing Saxon's helmet (i know great guy who makes fantastic helmet's) but i can't find a files. I was looking in Etsy but without success. 

[beren88]

On 11/7/2023 at 4:18 AM, MisterxM said:

Hi guys! I have plans for printing Saxon's helmet (i know great guy who makes fantastic helmet's) but i can't find a files. I was looking in Etsy but without success. 

i havent released the file for this.

or, i can release the helmet, but hold off on the rest of the files. 

I get you want to do gar saxon too, but if im doing all this work, i want to be the first one approved.  

[MisterxM]

On 11/8/2023 at 9:17 PM, beren88 said:

i havent released the file for this.

or, i can release the helmet, but hold off on the rest of the files. 

I get you want to do gar saxon too, but if im doing all this work, i want to be the first one approved.  

It's clear that you'll be the first. Of course I offer my help with consultations, just like i said couple pages ago. I don't need to be first. Or maybe i'll go with realistic version. But I need to talk with someone who can help with 3d models. Soon i will know that. 

[beren88]

On 11/10/2023 at 5:39 AM, MisterxM said:

It's clear that you'll be the first. Of course I offer my help with consultations, just like i said couple pages ago. I don't need to be first. Or maybe i'll go with realistic version. But I need to talk with someone who can help with 3d models. Soon i will know that. 

no thats cool. 

If you cool with me being first on it, then ill sell you the helmet file now.

send me a pm

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Keep up the great work, guys!  

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

How are you guys doing?

Just wanted to post it here that there is talk about these costumes going to the Bounty Hunters Guild (BHG) detachment with the MW designation. I haven't heard any information in a bit on that but it was brought up to me that it was being sought.

[beren88]

hey all. holidays are over

updated the chest plate for perusal

@IcyTrooper@tipperaryred

[beren88]

1 hour ago, IcyTrooper said:

How are you guys doing?

Just wanted to post it here that there is talk about these costumes going to the Bounty Hunters Guild (BHG) detachment with the MW designation. I haven't heard any information in a bit on that but it was brought up to me that it was being sought.

whats was the reasoning for it?

they are very imperial, which makes sense why this detachment had the costume

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

1 hour ago, beren88 said:

hey all. holidays are over

updated the chest plate for perusal

@IcyTrooper@tipperaryred

I'll check this with the reference photos and see!

1 hour ago, beren88 said:

whats was the reasoning for it?

they are very imperial, which makes sense why this detachment had the costume

Not quite sure at the moment other than how the costume is put together and that they have many other Rebels, etc. costumes related to this. I'm not saying that it is going to happen, but that it has been discussed. I'm making every effort to present rationale to keep it within Spec Ops. We should NOT just stop working on it here though, we are still very interested in seeing this completed  

[beren88]

31 minutes ago, IcyTrooper said:

I'll check this with the reference photos and see!

Not quite sure at the moment other than how the costume is put together and that they have many other Rebels, etc. costumes related to this. I'm not saying that it is going to happen, but that it has been discussed. I'm making every effort to present rationale to keep it within Spec Ops. We should NOT just stop working on it here though, we are still very interested in seeing this completed  

im working on it regardless of where it is, just kind of liked the idea of the spec ops since its a specialised imperial division

Ionce everyone looks over the chest, i will start printing it and move on to designing the next piece for the armour

 

any preference what i shoudl do next? gauntlets? jetpack? shins?

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Great to see the ball back rolling here again! I'm setting aside time this week for a massive CRL catch-up, so I'll double check the new renders then mate, and we can see what to tackle next.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

23 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

How are you guys doing?

Just wanted to post it here that there is talk about these costumes going to the Bounty Hunters Guild (BHG) detachment with the MW designation. I haven't heard any information in a bit on that but it was brought up to me that it was being sought.

Was my conversation where the BHG DL stated they did not want it shared w the LMOs when it was originally directed here?

[ionicdesign[LMO]]

14 minutes ago, RAIDER said:

Was my conversation where the BHG DL stated they did not want it shared w the LMOs when it was originally directed here?

It was know, yes. Update should be forthcoming soon on the request. 

  

22 hours ago, beren88 said:

whats was the reasoning for it?

they are very imperial, which makes sense why this detachment had the costume

Much of the LMO felt that was an important consideration as well.

[RAIDER[COTG]]

29 minutes ago, ionicdesign said:

It was know, yes. Update should be forthcoming soon on the request. 

  

Much of the LMO felt that was an important consideration as well.

Thanks Michael.  I don’t understand the rehash when it was decided in 2019 (pre-dominantly by the BHG DL stating they didnt want everything just because it had a t-visor) and then re-decided in 2020 a 2nd time when she asked about the MW designation and Nathan decided (again) to continue the work here.

Not to start a feud, but at that point the leadership should have been redirecting builders here…and if they didnt that’s not good.

Revisiting for a third time seems excessive. and the fact it was entertained has me scratching my head.

[ionicdesign[LMO]]

30 minutes ago, RAIDER said:

Thanks Michael.  I don’t understand the rehash when it was decided in 2019 (pre-dominantly by the BHG DL stating they didnt want everything just because it had a t-visor) and then re-decided in 2020 a 2nd time when she asked about the MW designation and Nathan decided (again) to continue the work here.

Not to start a feud, but at that point the leadership should have been redirecting builders here…and if they didnt that’s not good.

Revisiting for a third time seems excessive. and the fact it was entertained has me scratching my head.

No need for feuds. A request by other Detachment Leadership was made, and considered. A reply should go out soon.

We're very excited to see these build progress, and can be finished CRLs of their own.

 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

23 minutes ago, ionicdesign said:

No need for feuds. A request by other Detachment Leadership was made, and considered. A reply should go out soon.

We're very excited to see these build progress, and can be finished CRLs of their own.

 

For sure…I guess what Im not understanding is why are requests even being made and why are they being considered.  It was settled twice…and that’s assuming @nanotek didnt have to deal with it also.  At what point does the LMO team say “Ok guys its been settled give it a rest” and follow what all other detachments are supposed to do when something like this has been settled and redirect your potential builders to the correct spot?

Can it be requested that the LMO team address this w DLs?  Every time someone makes a request doesnt mean it should go to a review if it’s already been reviewed and settled…and in this case multiple times.

EDIT TL;DR: When the request was made why didnt the LMO team simply say “No this has been a decided issue” instead of going thru a review (again)?

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

I agree with @RAIDER on this, even more so after it was brought to my attention there was an additional time I was not aware where this was settled.

There was an initial discussion detachment to detachment about a transfer, it was not agreed upon, and now we are where we are at. Certainly, if it can always be countermanded then that'd put a lot of costumes on the table pending any new evidence. This needs to be handled in the best interest of the costumers who are working on the costume and that is the angle I'm coming from. We have members here who have come here based on previous decisions to work on the costume and solicit advise. Playing musical costumes with detachments does a huge disservice to our members.

[beren88]

i am hopefully in final renders of the chest and back. I have already printed the helmet and am sanding.

I have the seamstress working on the pants, and i have the shirt already done.

Whatever part is next shouldnt take too long in the modeling phase.  

It would be an inconvenience to switch detachments at this point to be working with new people around creating designs to 501st standard. 

 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

44 minutes ago, beren88 said:

i am hopefully in final renders of the chest and back. I have already printed the helmet and am sanding.

I have the seamstress working on the pants, and i have the shirt already done.

Whatever part is next shouldnt take too long in the modeling phase.  

It would be an inconvenience to switch detachments at this point to be working with new people around creating designs to 501st standard. 

 

I wouldn't worry about the transfer. We'll press forward

I hope to review that chest piece tomorrow and a few other things with this.

[ionicdesign[LMO]]

Yes, focus on the build. Ask any questions you need to, it will be fine.

[beren88]

10 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

I wouldn't worry about the transfer. We'll press forward

I hope to review that chest piece tomorrow and a few other things with this.

yeah, im just pressing ahead.

awesome, i look forward to your review on it.  Then we can figure out which piece to work on next. 

I am up to 5 more in my local area who are building this with me, so there will be 6 imperial super commandos all going for approval around same time.  I wanted to roll up to events with a whole squad