PROPOSED CRL MODIFICATION: Inferno Squad Del Meeko

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Thats a great read Radu, thank you for posting!  

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

That was some good info. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the Anovos Infernos were just OT repurposed with Inferno markings? I have an OT Anovos TIE and it looked the same as the Infernos that they claimed (which is still wrong).

[Captain Radu]

Anovos originally image for their TIE, this is old and it says subject to change. It's a MonCal and not what they released

 

This is probably what you got.  those are R1 ear caps. The molds are R1, not original trilogy molds. They are much easy to make.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

11 minutes ago, Captain Radu said:

Anovos originally image for their TIE, this is old and it says subject to change. It's a MonCal and not what they released

 

This is probably what you got.  those are R1 ear caps. The molds are R1, not original trilogy molds. They are much easy to make.

Interesting, so the only difference is where the code disk is? I know the teeth on the OT is 6 cut outs (which is what mine has) and on R1 it is 7 or 8 if I remember right.

Here is mine:

I guess that I see that the area is lowered around the code disk as opposed to a little flatter?

[Captain Radu]

I Appreciate your response. I am in a position where I want to make the right things, work with you guys. The JRS staff I worked with 2 years ago are not the ones making the changes now. I hope we can work together so I can make the right things. One thing they just asked is I make the vocoder separate and out of rubber. Like R1 TKs.

 

[Captain Radu]

 

Yup those are Rogue 1 ear caps. See the bump and the gas mask bracket holes

 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

That is cool to know! I didn't notice that second hole because of the way it was assembled, they took about 3/4 of it away. Very interesting!

Thanks for the info!

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Im going to put this here as a placeholder for the helmet.  We are urrently discussing the Flak Vest and armor, but do need to re-address the hemlet.  We will go back and revisit that topic.  So the JRS is asking for a seperate rubber vocodor.interesting. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

ARMOR and Tac Vest discussion. 

theres already been a lot of discussion about the vest.  This is copied from page 1 of the topic   

 

Armor

• - Armor consists of front and back pieces with two shoulder straps anchored by wedge connectors.
  •      - Molded rubber, ribbed shoulder straps are acceptable.
• - Back plate contains detailed "O II" design.
• - There is a small, circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
• - Armor may contain lightly done silver weathering but is not required. 
  + glossy black in color
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  + Made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer. Armor scaling & strapping must bring together a fitted render
  + Too visible weathering is not accurate, must be quite discreet

 

====================================================================================================================

Tactical Vest   (VERY TECHNICAL PART....MAY ADD MORE OR UPDATE WRITING.. )

• - The tactical vest is black Cordura nylon (Flyye Law Enforcement chest rig is most accurate).
• - There are three M4-M16 magazine pouches.
  • - The ammo slots hold one hanging box from the front belt and one rectangular case is filled in each pouch.-> useless, valid description is just below \/
  • - The 3 "M4" Pouches contain padded cloth utility rectangular pouches with a thin ABS front cover painted gloss black, construction matching reference
• - An AR-15 black single pouch is attached to the right side of vest. -> 100% wrong
• + There is a black custom made pouch on the right side of the vest matching reference, held by an elastic strip (about 2.5cm wide)
  - The main shoulder straps consist of ribbed leather or leather-like material.
• - The front buckles are tri-glide buckles.
• - There is a an approximately 1.5 inch by 1 inch specific buckle greeblie above the tri-glide buckles on each side.+matching reference 
  + shoulder strapping forms an X a little below the back of neck of the wearer. Strips form diagonal lines in the back, loop into a quick release buckle to go up in the back and end in a V shape. Adjusting tri-glides are present.  - Really see Ref #3.. 
  + Waist strip is attached to the vest with a quick release buckle. The strip is looped into its quick release buckle. Adjusting tri-glide is centered in the back Ref #4
  + After crossing in the back, shoulder strips are attached on the sides of the vest with quick release buckles
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  + Every strapping strips are made of leather - if Flyye chest rig is used, every nylon strapping are replaced
  + Front shoulder strapping is made of 3 layers of leather strips glued/attached together (width : 3.5cm / 2.5 cm / 1.5 cm), this construction stops a little before the strips are drawing an X in the back and continues into a single 2.5cm strip.
  + There is a little rectangle of leather glued/attached on the 3 layers construction about 5cm above the buckle greeblie on the front (both sides). Ref #5
  + Front tri-glides are attached to the vest with leather loops (about 3.5cm wide), same goes for the quick release buckles also attached to the vest with leather loops (2.5 cm wide)  - replacing Flyye nylon loops
  + Waist strip width is 2.5 cm. 
  + Specific tri-glide buckles holding the vest on the front are made from the game's 3d model, the same goes for the specific buckles greeblies glued/attached to the leather strips just over the tri-glides - Ref #6
  + The vest is fitted to the wearer, loose strapping/render is Not accurate
  
  Can check Ref #9 also

 

ARMOR and TAC VEST CHANGE LOG 1

Removals in red strikethrough.

Additions in orange.

Text / verbage changes in green.

ARMOR 

• Armor consists of front and back pieces with two shoulder straps anchored by wedge connectors.
• Armor is glossy black in color.
  • Molded rubber, black , ribbed shoulder straps are acceptable.
• Back plate contains detailed "O II" design .
• The top of the box may have a trapezoid shaped  depression 4" x 5" (10.16mm x 127mm) at the top of the trapezoid.
• There is a  5/16"  (8mm) circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
• Armor may contain ightly done silver weathering but is not required. light stains / weathering.  Sliver is not permitted
• 
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  Made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer. Armor scaling & strapping must fit wearer accurately. 
• O 11 design shall have 16 points/ spikes on the "O" shape, and "11" bar designs shall have 5 indented slot depressions at the bottom of each bar matching references. 
• Trapezoid shaped depression on top of back plate box shall match game references for size, shape and placement. 
• Any visible weathering or staining  must be light. 
• TAC VEST 

• - The tactical vest is black Cordura nylon (Flyye Law Enforcement chest rig is most accurate).
• - There are three M4 / M16 magazine pouches.
  • - The 3  "M4 / M16 " Pouches contain padded cloth utility rectangular pouches with a thin ABS front cover painted gloss black, construction matching reference   each contain a rectangular package covered in the same fabric as the tactical vest.  The packages fill the pouches completely, and extend above the pouch. Each packages is covered with a plastic strip  mounted at top facing forward. Strip size is 5/32" x 1/2" to 2 5/8" (4mm x 12mm x 68mm).
• - An AR-15 black single pouch is attached to the right side of vest. -> 100% wrong
• There is a black custom-made pouch on the right side of the vest matching reference, with an elastic strip about 1" ( 25mm )wide mounted to the vest, going across the front of the pouch. 
• The main shoulder straps consist of ribbed leather or leather-like material. 
• The front buckles are tri-glide buckles.
• There is a an approximately 1.5 inch by 1 inch specific buckle greeblie mounted above the tri-glide buckles on each side matching reference images.
• The shoulder straps cross near the top of the back armor box.  Each shoulder strap has a triglide that the end of the strap feeds into, near the back armor box shape.  See reference photos for placement. 
• After crossing in the back, shoulder straps are attached on the sides of the vest with quick release buckles. See reference photos for placement. 
• There is a 1" (25mm) waist strap present, and it is attached to the vest with a quick release buckle on the right side of the vest. An adjusting tri-glide is centered in the back.
•  
• OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  All straps are leather or simulated leather. Flyye chest rig will have all straps replaced with leather straps described below. 
• Vest front tri-glides are attached to the vest with 1 3/8" (35mm) leather loops. The quick release buckles  on the back of the vest are attached  by 1" (25 mm) leather loops
• Front shoulder straps which go over the shoulder and continue to the back are made of 3 layers of ribbed/ grooved leather strips glued/sewed/bonded together.  The first (bottom) layer is 1 3/8" (35mm) with the middle layer added to that. The middle layer shall be 1" (25mm) wide. The final layer is centered on top of the first two layers, and is 9/16" (15mm) wide.  The three bonded strips run the length of the forward portion of the shoulder strap assembly.   
• There is a little rectangle or loop of leather glued/attached to the  shoulder strap construction  2" (25mm) above the front buckle greeblies on both sides.  
• The grooved leather strap ends just past the wearers shoulders, and continues on as a single 1" (25mm) leather strip, passing through triglides and into specific quick release buckles, which are held to the vest with 1" (25mm) leather loops. 
• Specific tri-glide buckles holding the vest on the front are made from the game's 3d model, the same goes for the specific buckle greeblies attached to the leather strips just over the tri-glides
• The vest is fitted to the wearer. 

 

 

 

[areilly]

Looked at the in-game models and I'm coming up with similar measurements for the strap widths and the plastic strips, within a couple mm - definitely within the margin of error for this kind of stuff.

 

[TX-20113[501st]]

2 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

ARMOR and Tac Vest discussion. 

theres already been a lot of discussion about the vest.  This is copied from page 1 of the topic   

 

Armor

• - Armor consists of front and back pieces with two shoulder straps anchored by wedge connectors.
  •      - Molded rubber, ribbed shoulder straps are acceptable.
• - Back plate contains detailed "O II" design.
• - There is a small, circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
• - Armor may contain lightly done silver weathering but is not required. 
  + glossy black in color
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  + Made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer. Armor scaling & strapping must bring together a fitted render
  + Too visible weathering is not accurate, must be quite discreet

 

====================================================================================================================

Tactical Vest   (VERY TECHNICAL PART....MAY ADD MORE OR UPDATE WRITING.. )

• - The tactical vest is black Cordura nylon (Flyye Law Enforcement chest rig is most accurate).
• - There are three M4-M16 magazine pouches.
  • - The ammo slots hold one hanging box from the front belt and one rectangular case is filled in each pouch.-> useless, valid description is just below \/
  • - The 3 "M4" Pouches contain padded cloth utility rectangular pouches with a thin ABS front cover painted gloss black, construction matching reference
• - An AR-15 black single pouch is attached to the right side of vest. -> 100% wrong
• + There is a black custom made pouch on the right side of the vest matching reference, held by an elastic strip (about 2.5cm wide)
  - The main shoulder straps consist of ribbed leather or leather-like material.
• - The front buckles are tri-glide buckles.
• - There is a an approximately 1.5 inch by 1 inch specific buckle greeblie above the tri-glide buckles on each side.+matching reference 
  + shoulder strapping forms an X a little below the back of neck of the wearer. Strips form diagonal lines in the back, loop into a quick release buckle to go up in the back and end in a V shape. Adjusting tri-glides are present.  - Really see Ref #3.. 
  + Waist strip is attached to the vest with a quick release buckle. The strip is looped into its quick release buckle. Adjusting tri-glide is centered in the back Ref #4
  + After crossing in the back, shoulder strips are attached on the sides of the vest with quick release buckles
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  + Every strapping strips are made of leather - if Flyye chest rig is used, every nylon strapping are replaced
  + Front shoulder strapping is made of 3 layers of leather strips glued/attached together (width : 3.5cm / 2.5 cm / 1.5 cm), this construction stops a little before the strips are drawing an X in the back and continues into a single 2.5cm strip.
  + There is a little rectangle of leather glued/attached on the 3 layers construction about 5cm above the buckle greeblie on the front (both sides). Ref #5
  + Front tri-glides are attached to the vest with leather loops (about 3.5cm wide), same goes for the quick release buckles also attached to the vest with leather loops (2.5 cm wide)  - replacing Flyye nylon loops
  + Waist strip width is 2.5 cm. 
  + Specific tri-glide buckles holding the vest on the front are made from the game's 3d model, the same goes for the specific buckles greeblies glued/attached to the leather strips just over the tri-glides - Ref #6
  + The vest is fitted to the wearer, loose strapping/render is Not accurate
  
  Can check Ref #9 also

 

ARMOR and TAC VEST CHANGE LOG 1

Removals in red strikethrough.

Additions in orange.

Text / verbage changes in green.

ARMOR 

• Armor consists of front and back pieces with two shoulder straps anchored by wedge connectors.
• Armor is glossy black in color.
  • Molded rubber, black , ribbed shoulder straps are acceptable.
• Back plate contains detailed "O II" design .
• The top of the box may have a trapezoid shaped  depression 4" x 5" (10.16mm x 127mm) at the top of the trapezoid.
• There is a  5/16"  (8mm) circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
• Armor may contain ightly done silver weathering but is not required. light stains / weathering.  Sliver is not permitted
• 
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  Made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer. Armor scaling & strapping must fit wearer accurately. 
• O 11 design shall have 16 points/ spikes on the "O" shape, and "11" bar designs shall have 5 indented slot depressions at the bottom of each bar matching references. 
• Trapezoid shaped depression on top of back plate box shall match game references for size, shape and placement. 
• Any visible weathering or staining  must be light. 
• TAC VEST 

• - The tactical vest is black Cordura nylon (Flyye Law Enforcement chest rig is most accurate).
• - There are three M4 / M16 magazine pouches.
  • - The 3  "M4 / M16 " Pouches contain padded cloth utility rectangular pouches with a thin ABS front cover painted gloss black, construction matching reference   each contain a rectangular package covered in the same fabric as the tactical vest.  The packages fill the pouches completely, and extend above the pouch. Each packages is covered with a plastic strip  mounted at top facing forward. Strip size is 5/32" x 1/2" to 2 5/8" (4mm x 12mm x 68mm).
• - An AR-15 black single pouch is attached to the right side of vest. -> 100% wrong
• There is a black custom-made pouch on the right side of the vest matching reference, with an elastic strip about 1" ( 25mm )wide mounted to the vest, going across the front of the pouch. 
• The main shoulder straps consist of ribbed leather or leather-like material. 
• The front buckles are tri-glide buckles.
• There is a an approximately 1.5 inch by 1 inch specific buckle greeblie mounted above the tri-glide buckles on each side matching reference images.
• The shoulder straps cross near the top of the back armor box.  Each shoulder strap has a triglide that the end of the strap feeds into, near the back armor box shape.  See reference photos for placement. 
• After crossing in the back, shoulder straps are attached on the sides of the vest with quick release buckles. See reference photos for placement. 
• There is a 1" (25mm) waist strap present, and it is attached to the vest with a quick release buckle on the right side of the vest. An adjusting tri-glide is centered in the back.
•  
• OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  All straps are leather or simulated leather. Flyye chest rig will have all straps replaced with leather straps described below. 
• Vest front tri-glides are attached to the vest with 1 3/8" (35mm) leather loops. The quick release buckles  on the back of the vest are attached  by 1" (25 mm) leather loops
• Front shoulder straps which go over the shoulder and continue to the back are made of 3 layers of ribbed/ grooved leather strips glued/sewed/bonded together.  The first (bottom) layer is 1 3/8" (35mm) with the middle layer added to that. The middle layer shall be 1" (25mm) wide. The final layer is centered on top of the first two layers, and is 9/16" (15mm) wide.  The three bonded strips run the length of the forward portion of the shoulder strap assembly.   
• There is a little rectangle or loop of leather glued/attached to the  shoulder strap construction  2" (25mm) above the front buckle greeblies on both sides.  
• The grooved leather strap ends just past the wearers shoulders, and continues on as a single 1" (25mm) leather strip, passing through triglides and into specific quick release buckles, which are held to the vest with 1" (25mm) leather loops. 
• Specific tri-glide buckles holding the vest on the front are made from the game's 3d model, the same goes for the specific buckle greeblies attached to the leather strips just over the tri-glides
• The vest is fitted to the wearer. 

 

 

 

Agreement ? 

[TX-20113[501st]]

That single pouch on the right side of the vest can be good for L1 but if we take a closer look its just something like "block pillow" behind one strap. So maybe, if someone makes this "pillow" it can get L2

[TX-20113[501st]]

Another thing is that the Flyye Vest should be deleted in the CRL, because without any modifications it is absolutely not accurate. So the CRL shouldn't advise to use that Vest without any notice that it has to be modificated to be accurate. Seen lots of Dels getting approved with the Flyye without any mods. ? 

[TX-20113[501st]]

21 hours ago, TX-20113 said:

There is a little rectangle or loop of leather glued/attached to the  shoulder strap construction  2" (25mm) above the front buckle greeblies on both sides.  

Would you guys agree if i say that that reactangle's measurement is around 20 to 25 mm in width? Or can somebody take measures from it? 

[TX-20113[501st]]

21 hours ago, TX-20113 said:

There is a 1" (25mm) waist strap present, and it is attached to the vest with a quick release buckle on the right side of the vest. An adjusting tri-glide is centered in the back.

That strap also is made of leather or leather like material ? 

[areilly]

17 minutes ago, TX-20113 said:

Would you guys agree if i say that that reactangle's measurement is around 20 to 25 mm in width? Or can somebody take measures from it? 

I'm getting about 33x18mm:

 

[TX-20113[501st]]

3 minutes ago, areilly said:

I'm getting about 33x18mm:

 

Thank you! So, lets add that measurement to the text ? 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

ARMOR and TAC VEST CHANGE LOG 1.1

Additions in orange.

Text / verbage changes in green.

ARMOR 

• Armor consists of front and back pieces with two shoulder straps anchored by wedge connectors.
• Armor is glossy black in color.
  • Molded rubber, black , ribbed shoulder straps are acceptable.
• Back plate contains detailed "O II" design .
• The top of the box may have a trapezoid shaped  depression 4" x 5" (10.16mm x 127mm) at the top of the trapezoid.
• There is a  5/16"  (8mm) circular indentation below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate.
• Armor may contain light stains / weathering.  Sliver is not permitted
• 
  
  OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  Made from the game's 3d model and scaled to the wearer. Armor scaling & strapping must fit wearer accurately. 
• O 11 design shall have 16 points/ spikes on the "O" shape, and "11" bar designs shall have 5 indented slot depressions at the bottom of each bar matching references. 
• Trapezoid shaped depression on top of back plate box shall match game references for size, shape and placement. 
• Any visible weathering or staining  must be light. 
• TAC VEST 

• - The tactical vest is black Cordura nylon.
•  1" (25mm)  straps are attached to the tactical vest, with four laying horizonatally on either side of the pouches, and two at the front of each pouch.  Straps are sewn to match reference images. There are a total of fourteen straps on the front of the vest. 
• - There are three M4 / M16 magazine pouches.
  • - The 3  "M4 / M16 "  each contain a rectangular package covered in the same fabric as the tactical vest.  The packages fill the pouches completely, and extend above the pouch. Each packages has a plastic strip  mounted at top facing forward. Strip size is 5/32" x 1/2" to 2 5/8" (4mm x 12mm x 68mm).
• There is a black custom-made pouch on the right side of the vest matching reference, with a 1" ( 25mm )wide strip of elastic or webbing mounted to the vest, going across the front of the pouch. 
• The main shoulder straps consist of ribbed leather or leather-like material. The front portion of the ribbed shoulder straps measure 1 3/8" (35mm).  
• The front buckles are tri-glide buckles.  
• Vest front tri-glides are attached to the vest with 1 3/8" x 1 3/8" (35mm x 35mm) loops. The quick release buckles  on the back of the vest are attached  by 1" (25 mm) loops
• There is a an approximately 1.5" x 1" (38mm x 25mm) specific buckle greeblie mounted above the tri-glide buckles on each side matching reference images.
• There is a little rectangle or loop of leather glued/attached to the  shoulder strap construction  2" (50mm) above the front buckle greeblies on both straps.  The front face of this rectangle is (35mm x 18mm).
• The shoulder straps cross near the top of the back armor box.  Each shoulder strap has a triglide that the end of the strap feeds into, near the back armor box shape.  See reference photos for placement. 
• After crossing in the back, shoulder straps are attached on the sides of the vest with quick release buckles. See reference photos for placement. 
• There is a 1" (25mm) leather or leather-like waist strap present, and it is attached to the vest with a quick release buckle on the right side of the vest. An adjusting tri-glide is centered in the back.
•  
• OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
  
  All vest straps are made of leather.  
• Vest front tri-glides are attached to the vest with 1 3/8" x 1 3/8"(35mm x 35mm) leather loops. The quick release buckles  on the back of the vest are attached  by 1" (25 mm) leather loops
• Front shoulder straps which go over the shoulder and continue to the back are made of 3 layers of ribbed/ grooved leather strips glued/sewed/bonded together.  The first (bottom) layer is 1 3/8" (35mm) with the middle layer added to that. The middle layer shall be 1" (25mm) wide. The final layer is centered on top of the first two layers, and is 9/16" (15mm) wide.  The three bonded strips run the length of the forward portion of the shoulder strap assembly.   
• The grooved leather strap ends just past the wearers shoulders, and continues on as a single 1" (25mm) leather strip, passing through triglides and into specific quick release buckles, which are held to the vest with 1" (25mm) leather loops. 
• Specific tri-glide buckles holding the vest on the front are made from the game's 3d model, the same goes for the specific buckle greeblies attached to the leather strips just over the tri-glides
• The vest is fitted to the wearer. 

[TX-20113[501st]]

14 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Vest front tri-glides are attached to the vest with 1 3/8" (35mm) leather loops.

Could we get that measure of the loop holding the front strap tri-glide?  35mm × ... mm?

[areilly]

1 hour ago, TX-20113 said:

Could we get that measure of the loop holding the front strap tri-glide?  35mm × ... mm?

I'm showing it as roughly square,  33x34mm, so if you're going with 35mm for the width might as well say 35x35

[TX-20113[501st]]

2 hours ago, areilly said:

I'm showing it as roughly square,  33x34mm, so if you're going with 35mm for the width might as well say 35x35

Thanks a lot

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

updated vest description above.  No new change log number for that one line addition. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

is there any further comment on the tactical vest and armor section? I would like to get this major segment ready to lock into final text prior to Noon Central US time Friday (Ive got a roof inspetor coming)

[TX-20113[501st]]

6 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

is there any further comment on the tactical vest and armor section? I would like to get this major segment ready to lock into final text prior to Noon Central US time Friday (Ive got a roof inspetor 

On 4/22/2020 at 9:35 PM, TX-20113 said:

That single pouch on the right side of the vest can be good for L1 but if we take a closer look its just something like "block pillow" behind one strap. So maybe, if someone makes this "pillow" it can get L2

@Blackwatch yeah. maybe that. It's clearly visible that it's not a pouch. It could be a shooting cushion or something like that. ?

 

[RAIDER[COTG]]

Do we have more pics of that specific pouch?