Imperial Security Trooper - Andor - CRL Discussion

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I agree, we really do need a model that meets L2 spec.

While the backpack IS optional we dont necessarily need it for the gallery until one is built.

Since the baton is so prevalent we will need that and it looks like @BigJasoni is handling that for us. 

 

Updating Shin text on the first page.  Im ready to see this get pubished! 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Ok, lets talk blaster

E 10.5. and or R1 E11.   Not much too it, very little screen time. 
has a picatinny rail on the right for the flashlight which is not mounted. 

 

I dont want to get the discussion moved over to the other topic, but there is a seperate topic on the weapon itself with some good discussin. 

 

That said, the CRL discussion needs to happen here:

 

 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Yeah this is an interesting one for me, it is such a small detail for a differentiation between the two. I almost want to allow current E-10.5 for both the IAT:A and IST and perhaps we can modify the base CRL to state that it may have the rail and flashlight, or something along those lines? Another route could be using the IAT:A CRL E-10.5 base text and then modifying the L2 requirements to specifically show that it is different from the IAT:A CRL E-10.5?

I know that FISD has a different E-11 CRL for ANH, ROTJ, ESB for example; but I feel like that may be unnecessary for such a small detail change.

 

[Detaleader[501st]]

I went through all my screenshots and at no point do I see these guys with a 10.5? 

I see a single trooper with a non-flashlight R1 E-11. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

just to make sure im on the same track, would that be the guy in the hotel that Cassian takes down? Or did you spot another one?  

 

Edit--

 

I got these pics from Shayan 

 

[NoZoupForYou[501st]]

Wow... for some reason I was not getting email notifications about posts on this thread.  OK. 

Seems like things are moving along well.  I personally think the belt boxes are matte black, but thats just me.  

Either way, looks like we are getting close.  

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Jeez, its been THAT LONG since I got in here!

 

These 20 hour work days are killing me, literally. 

 

OK, so, whats next? we were talking about the blaster......

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

no further updates? Ok, then heres what Im going to propose we write. Thisisnt much, but is copied from the FISD CRL. 

For edification, here is the FSD R1 blaster reference page:

https://www.whitearmor.net/forum/topic/41271-rogue-one-e-11-blaster-reference/

R1 E-11 proposal

V1.0

E-11 Blaster

• Note, the E-11 holster as seen in the Original Trilogy movies is not an authorized accessory for rogue One armor".
• Based on a real or replica Sterling Airsoft Gun, Sterling Sub-Machine Gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.
• A small flashlight shall be mounted on the right side of the blaster centred over the T-Tracks.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Blaster shall be based on a real or replica S&T Sterling L2A1 AEG Airsoft Gun. (Folding Stock does not need to function)
• D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap.
• Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) M38 Telescope. 1943 model is preferred.
  Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter. Eagle logo is preferred.
  Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style.
  6 rows of T-Tracks cover the Sterling receiver holes except for the lower left row with the bayonet lug.

Flashlight shall be a real or replica Element M300A Mini Scout Light.

• 3D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance

 

• OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
• Scope shall be a real or replica 1943 M.H.R. Co. M38 Telescope, 1942 model is not allowed.
  Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with Small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed.
  Power Cylinders shall be R1 style, ANH style is not allowed.

 

 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

I think that info looks good on the weaponry, but we'll take the L3 stuff and consolidate it into the L2 requirements. I'm going to look at the first page and see that all that text makes sense. We can get the CRL wiki started on this and loading when that first page gets validated.

@BigJasoni are you our model for this?

[BigJasoni[TX]]

On 5/21/2024 at 3:22 PM, IcyTrooper said:

I think that info looks good on the weaponry, but we'll take the L3 stuff and consolidate it into the L2 requirements. I'm going to look at the first page and see that all that text makes sense. We can get the CRL wiki started on this and loading when that first page gets validated.

@BigJasoni are you our model for this?

Sorry guys, I've been away for a while. Let me finish my pants this weekend and I'm available to model if needed.

[BigJasoni[TX]]

Hey everyone. Like Sean, I wasn't receiving notifications that things were moving along again. Sorry for not being involved.

Just an update, my armor's finished, but I have a couple small things I need to finish for the costume. My semester is over, so It should only take me a couple days. I'll finish my pants today or tomorrow, then paint my baton since that's what I was intending on using for my main weapon. I also have the "cattle prod" but have a little more sanding and refinement needed for that piece. I do have an E-10.5 for my Aldhani kit, but I really don't like the idea of a blaster with the Rix Road costume unless we are in fact doing one for the guys wearing soft parts only. I can put together a Rogue One E-11 pretty quick since I have a Sterling Airsoft Gun and all the accessories sitting here, but I need to know if that's how we're proceeding. 

I can take pictures in a couple days if someone wants them, but who would I need to send these to?

Thanks

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

No worries, we got the text drafted and I came to the realization that we didn't fully identify the model for this. I'll provide you with a link via PM (including the rest of the team) for uploading the unedited CRL pictures (we'll do the edits). I do believe that we are planning on using the R1 blaster text for the E-11.

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

agreed!

were ready to get thsi big show on the road.  The E11 would be a option of the soft costume only without armor since we break out everything into tabbed galleries, we can just add it to only "that" tabbed gallery.

 

Looking forward to all of it and seeing this complete and out to the Legion for use. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

R1 E-11 proposal

V1.1

E-11 Blaster

Note, the E-11 holster as seen in the Original Trilogy movies is not authorized accessory for this costume.

Based on a real or replica Sterling Airsoft Gun, Sterling Sub-Machine Gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster to depict the Rogue One style E-11 blaster. 

3D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Blaster shall be based on a real or replica S&T Sterling L2A1 AEG Airsoft Gun. (Folding Stock does not need to function)
D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap.
Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) M38 Telescope. 1943 model is preferred.
Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter. Eagle logo is preferred.
Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style.
6 rows of T-Tracks cover the Sterling receiver holes except for the lower left row with the bayonet lug.
Scope shall be a real or replica 1943 M.H.R. Co. M38 Telescope, 1942 model is not allowed.
Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with Small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed.
Power Cylinders shall be R1 style, ANH style is not allowed.
 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

as always please comment on the proposal above .  

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

R1 E-11 proposal

V1.2

E-11 Blaster

Note, the E-11 holster as seen in the Original Trilogy movies is not authorized accessory for this costume.

Based on a real or replica Sterling Airsoft Gun, Sterling Sub-Machine Gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster to depict the Rogue One style E-11 blaster. 

3D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Blaster shall be based on a real or replica S&T Sterling L2A1 AEG Airsoft Gun or accurate 3d print file. (Folding Stock does not need to function)
D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap.
Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) M38 Telescope. 1943 model is preferred.
Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter. Eagle logo is preferred.
Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style.
6 rows of T-Tracks cover the Sterling receiver holes except for the lower left row with the bayonet lug.
Scope shall be a real or replica 1943 M.H.R. Co. M38 Telescope, 1942 model is not allowed.
Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with Small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed.
Power Cylinders shall be R1 style, ANH style is not allowed.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

I like the v1.2 text to allow the 3D print option on it for local law compliance and flexibility. We may be able to actually remove the part about "3D printed" text since we have a general requirements disclaimer about 3D prints now. Thanks for your dedication on this! In the home stretch.

[BigJasoni[TX]]

14 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

I like the v1.2 text to allow the 3D print option on it for local law compliance and flexibility. We may be able to actually remove the part about "3D printed" text since we have a general requirements disclaimer about 3D prints now. Thanks for your dedication on this! In the home stretch.

Where is the "general requirement" about 3D prints? It might be useful to provide a link to the requirement, so everyone is aware. I know it almost goes without saying, but I've seen way too many poor examples of 3D printed armor and accessories now.

Next, not a major issue, but since the following was included in the Level 2 verbiage, we need to clean it up a little bit.

23 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) M38 Telescope. 1943 model is preferred.

23 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Scope shall be a real or replica 1943 M.H.R. Co. M38 Telescope, 1942 model is not allowed.

These are essentially the same thing. Maybe chose one. I think just saying "1943 model is required." We did this because we got a close-up picture of the blaster at D23 after Rogue One that clearly showed the 1943 model. I think we're assuming they used the same cast for Andor.

23 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter. Eagle logo is preferred.

23 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with Small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed.

Again, same thing, just different phraseology. The RO blaster absolutely has the small eagle logo.

23 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style.

23 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Power Cylinders shall be R1 style, ANH style is not allowed.

Just remove the second one.

Great job again guys. I started taking pics tonight.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

36 minutes ago, BigJasoni said:

Where is the "general requirement" about 3D prints? It might be useful to provide a link to the requirement, so everyone is aware. I know it almost goes without saying, but I've seen way too many poor examples of 3D printed armor and accessories now.

It is in the Special Notes, all of our newer CRLs (old ones are getting updated as time allows) and says:

3D Printed parts are permitted but all print lines and other artifacts must be removed.

[BigJasoni[TX]]

11 hours ago, IcyTrooper said:

It is in the Special Notes, all of our newer CRLs (old ones are getting updated as time allows) and says:

3D Printed parts are permitted but all print lines and other artifacts must be removed.

Perfect! Thanks.
I've probably looked at that a hundred times and just didn't think about it.

[NoZoupForYou[501st]]

Did we ever come to a resolution on the weathering for the boots?  I'm not seeing anything right now.

Also, for the CRL page, are you going to use the fully armored version as the main image?  I would suggest that since Aldhani is not, and the armored version is primarily what we see on Ferrix.  Just my two cents.

Jason has some great armor put together (having seen it in person) and I think he will kill it as the model.  I'm a few months behind him in completion.  This has been an extremely fun build working on it while also providing input on the CRL.  

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

5 hours ago, NoZoupForYou said:

Did we ever come to a resolution on the weathering for the boots?  I'm not seeing anything right now.

Also, for the CRL page, are you going to use the fully armored version as the main image?  I would suggest that since Aldhani is not, and the armored version is primarily what we see on Ferrix.  Just my two cents.

Jason has some great armor put together (having seen it in person) and I think he will kill it as the model.  I'm a few months behind him in completion.  This has been an extremely fun build working on it while also providing input on the CRL.  

Good morning! Boot weathering will be a requirement for L2 and an option on L1.

As for the CRL image, I believe that the helmeted version is going to be version 1 and any additional versions will be subsequently numbered for if.

We currently have the CRL page being worked on in the background and are making textual corrections as we see them (if needed). The images are almost all uploaded from the model and the editing of the images has been assigned.

Thanks for all the participation!

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

@BigJasoni I know that we are going to be updating some of the weapon text and we have our DM but do you have additional reference pics of that zap rod?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

I uuseually only get just a very few minutes a day to work on this. I never noticed the duplications.  Those are removed in this proposal. 

Sorry for my absense, Ive been SLAMMED wth work, our busiest year ever and Im doing all the work in Louisiana and Mississippi. I have employees, they literally do 1/10th the work levels I do because when they are on shift they never get callouts. When Im on shift the phone never stops rining. 

 

V1.3

E-11 Blaster

Note, the E-11 holster as seen in the Original Trilogy movies is not authorized accessory for this costume.

Based on a real or replica Sterling Airsoft Gun, Sterling Sub-Machine Gun, scratch-built, or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster to depict the Rogue One style E-11 blaster. 

 

3D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Blaster shall be based on a real or replica S&T Sterling L2A1 AEG Airsoft Gun or accurate 3d print file. (Folding Stock does not need to function)
D-Ring shall be present on the rear end cap.
Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) M38 Telescope. 1943 model is preferred.
Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter. Eagle logo is preferred.
Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style.
6 rows of T-Tracks cover the Sterling receiver holes except for the lower left row with the bayonet lug.
Scope shall be a real or replica 1943 M.H.R. Co. M38 Telescope, 1942 model is not allowed.
Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with Small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed.
Power Cylinders shall be R1 style, ANH style is not allowed.

 

[BigJasoni[TX]]

On 6/4/2024 at 10:29 PM, IcyTrooper said:

@BigJasoni I know that we are going to be updating some of the weapon text and we have our DM but do you have additional reference pics of that zap rod?

I just went through the "archives" and came up with the following pics. Of course, most of the reference photos are on Narkina 5, but as we see in the below photos, it clearly appears a couple times on Rix Road. The issue becomes finding detailed references on Rix Road, but we can compare what we see with the much clearer pics elsewhere.

First, in the formation, we can see at least two troopers carrying the black Zap Rod.

The second pic shows it in action. This is the clearest shot we see of it on Rix Road. In this picture, the color looks more gunmetal than black/ anthracite, but we can definitely see what it is along with the details.

Here it is again. Now you can see that it's more black than anything else. The former picture that made it appear grey/ gunmetal appears to be because of the lighting.

Earlier in the Narkina 5 episode, we saw the black Zap Rod pop up as Cassian was being transferred to the prison. This is good because we see how the weapon was seemingly used in multiple scenes, but also shows that a black zap rod existed throughout the series.

And here's a good picture showing the two variations of the Zap Rod. In this picture, we can tell that it's the exact same weapon, but in different colors. Therefore, we should be able to use the clearer pictures from Narkina 5 to build our requirements.

Here's the first clear picture. Additionally, the upper handle details are shown.

Here's a good pic of the entire weapon. This is good for showing the details as well as the overall length of the rod.

Finally, I wanted to post this picture of the riot baton. I'm not sure how I overlooked this previously, but it's a great picture that shows the size and color of the baton and grip. Of note, this is the best picture showing the "density," or thickness of the foam handle.