Imperial Security Trooper - Andor - CRL Discussion

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

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Checking in on this. 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

On 2/28/2024 at 1:01 PM, Blackwatch said:

Morning everyone, glad to be back. 

My post of a month ago was NOTHING compared to the past week.  

Id love to get this wrapped up since we are down to small parts. 

Can we agree on this text so we can move forward towards completion? 

 

Baton Proposal text . V1.2

Baton

Metal or metal-like tube. Approximately 12 inches  (30.5cm) in length when collapsed. 

Rounded caps on each end, metallic grey or silver in color.

Has ribbed rubber-like  or neoprene grips on both ends that leave only a small gap in the middle of the baton.

Grips may be made of neoprene or foam, and may be ribbed or left plain. 

One end of the baton may "extend" approximately 10 inches (25.4 cm).

Baton is only present when the holster is present. 

 

Baton Holster

Hoster is mounted to the left side of the wearer's belt. 

Curved holder which fits around the middle part of the baton. 

Baton is carried horizontally in the holster at a slight angle. 

Lower part is curved. Baton is retained with a leather or flexible rubber strap. 

Got caught up on the chat and references and this looks comprehensive to me, great work all.  Any final tweaks needed or can the baton be wrapped up?

[NoZoupForYou[501st]]

Barring any further screenshots (which I see unlikely at this time) I think we have all we can get for the baton and holster.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

With regards to the optional Radio Backpack, do we have any ID on a found item?  It doesn't look on the surface like we'd have much to go on trying to piece it together as a scratch built prop.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Also, how is the E-10.5 looking compared to its Andor IAT cousin?  Same props reused, or any noticeable tweaks made?

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

Im ready to wrap the Baton. 

On the radio backpack, I havent even begun to really look at it, ive had my hands more than full with a dozen things for the past several months. 

Ill look over the blaster, it would not Suprise me if its the same, just shipped to a different location. 

[Hoda[CMD-DCA]]

On 12/4/2023 at 4:01 PM, BigJasoni said:

Dude on the right has rear belt boxes, but I can't find anyone else doing this, so looks like operator error to me.

For later on (so we don't throw off the current discussion), let's remember to include a section for belt boxes. I saw this not only on this armored dude but also on the non-armored IST troopers

[Hoda[CMD-DCA]]

6 hours ago, tipperaryred said:

Also, how is the E-10.5 looking compared to its Andor IAT cousin?  Same props reused, or any noticeable tweaks made?

Also, other than the soft uniformed trooper with an E-11 that was pointed out a few pages back, I can't find any troopers with an E-10.5 walking around, so might be a moot point.

But let's wrap the backpack first!

[NoZoupForYou[501st]]

None of the troopers carry an E11 on Ferrix.  Also, In my opinion, the backpack should not be included.  That trooper is a completely different look.  No armor, etc.  I would go as far to say it would be a completely different CRL, as he wears no armor at all.  But also, as far a I know, we only see half the backpack, so completing it might be nigh impossible as it is.  

If it were me, I would keep this armored security trooper separate from the soft goods only variant.  It's not quite as interchangeable as the Aldani troopers are, who are seen in many forms of dress.  Here they are either fully armored, or in soft goods only.

Just my two cents.

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

1 hour ago, NoZoupForYou said:

None of the troopers carry an E11 on Ferrix.  Also, In my opinion, the backpack should not be included.  That trooper is a completely different look.  No armor, etc.  I would go as far to say it would be a completely different CRL, as he wears no armor at all.  But also, as far a I know, we only see half the backpack, so completing it might be nigh impossible as it is.  

If it were me, I would keep this armored security trooper separate from the soft goods only variant.  It's not quite as interchangeable as the Aldani troopers are, who are seen in many forms of dress.  Here they are either fully armored, or in soft goods only.

Just my two cents.

Sounds good to me 👌

[Hoda[CMD-DCA]]

2 hours ago, NoZoupForYou said:

None of the troopers carry an E11 on Ferrix.  Also, In my opinion, the backpack should not be included.  That trooper is a completely different look.  No armor, etc.  I would go as far to say it would be a completely different CRL, as he wears no armor at all.  But also, as far a I know, we only see half the backpack, so completing it might be nigh impossible as it is.  

If it were me, I would keep this armored security trooper separate from the soft goods only variant.  It's not quite as interchangeable as the Aldani troopers are, who are seen in many forms of dress.  Here they are either fully armored, or in soft goods only.

Just my two cents.

This post from @Detaleaderis what I'm referring to re: the e-11:

 

I disagree with separating out separate CRLs. Yes most are armored, but we do see a whole bunch of the same troopers in non-armor? 

@IcyTrooperwanna chime in? Do we keep the armored trooper separately from the soft goods variant? See @NoZoupForYou's comment above.

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

dropping in, I just ogt back from one of my insane out of state back to state to out of state to back to state road trips. 

I would rather not break them out to a totally separate CRL, since we are good at effectively using the tab system.  Its an option, just likt the headphones were for the Garrison troopers on aldhani. 

 

Baton Proposal Final

Baton

Metal or metal-like tube. Approximately 12 inches  (30.5cm) in length when collapsed. 

Rounded caps on each end, metallic grey or silver in color.

Has grips on both ends that leave only a small gap in the middle of the baton.

Grips may be made of neoprene or foam, and may be ribbed or left plain. 

One end of the baton may "extend" approximately 10 inches (25.4 cm).

Baton is only present when the holster is present. 

 

Baton Holster

Hoster is mounted to the left side of the wearer's belt. 

Curved holder which fits around the middle part of the baton. 

Baton is carried n the holster at a slight angle. 

Lower part is curved. Baton is retained with a leather or flexible rubber strap. 

 

[tipperaryred[CMD-DCA]]

Apologies, I myself missed the soft uniform guys when catching up on this one.  Thanks for adding the extra photos of those guys at the end of the reference photo thread Eric.  If the underlying soft parts are the same as those worn under the armour, I'd certainly agree with tabbing them as a variant.  No point overcomplicating things.

[Hoda[CMD-DCA]]

1 hour ago, Blackwatch said:

dropping in, I just ogt back from one of my insane out of state back to state to out of state to back to state road trips. 

I would rather not break them out to a totally separate CRL, since we are good at effectively using the tab system.  Its an option, just likt the headphones were for the Garrison troopers on aldhani. 

 

Baton Proposal Final

Baton

Metal or metal-like tube. Approximately 12 inches  (30.5cm) in length when collapsed. 

Rounded caps on each end, metallic grey or silver in color.

Has grips on both ends that leave only a small gap in the middle of the baton.

Grips may be made of neoprene or foam, and may be ribbed or left plain. 

One end of the baton may "extend" approximately 10 inches (25.4 cm).

Baton is only present when the holster is present. 

 

Baton Holster

Hoster is mounted to the left side of the wearer's belt. 

Curved holder which fits around the middle part of the baton. 

Baton is carried n the holster at a slight angle. 

Lower part is curved. Baton is retained with a leather or flexible rubber strap. 

 

For clarification - baton and holster are optional accessories or requirements?

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Hey all, changes in equipment will be treated like the IAT: Andor trooper we did, as well as how Spec Ops has done CRLs in the past (i.e., Mudtrooper, etc.) with various tabs for specific characters. Thanks DCA team for jumping in to get this wrapped up!

As far as the baton goes, that is considered a weapon and will be an optional accessory, we can make the holster a requirement if we want (ref: Patrol Trooper from Solo).

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

On 3/4/2024 at 12:54 PM, tipperaryred said:

With regards to the optional Radio Backpack, do we have any ID on a found item?  It doesn't look on the surface like we'd have much to go on trying to piece it together as a scratch built prop.

I just took another look at the backpack. We get the back shot, which is mosty shadowed and we cant see muich in the way of detail.

 

When someone inevitably asks "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RADIO BACKPACK?????!!!!?????" I will invite them to write the CRL proposal and use the picture posted to the refernce page post. Two people use it in one scene- that doesnt make it a major prop or part of the continuing storyline. 

 

At this point and with no further discussion on the Baton and its holster, I will wrap the proposed text from my post above and update the CRL proposal on the very first page of this topic. 

Edit-

With regard to the E11 thats carried by the trooper with no armor in the hotel, its a standard R1 E-11 with the piccatinni rail on the right front, sans flashlight. Otherwise its a straight R1 E11 and at the beginning of the scene with the GCO calls out the troopers to the street you can see two E11s stacked on a table or box in the back of the scene.  I think we can just take the standard R1 E-11 text, delete the flashlight, and use that for the option. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

On 3/4/2024 at 7:26 PM, Hoda said:

For later on (so we don't throw off the current discussion), let's remember to include a section for belt boxes. I saw this not only on this armored dude but also on the non-armored IST troopers

See my post above as well ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Heres the current Belt and boxes posted on the first page:

 

Belt

• Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. 
• Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
• There are no loops on the belt.
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle.
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
• The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
• Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge.
• The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle.
• The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick.
• Boxes shall be painted to match the armor. 

For the tabbed out version of the softie/squishie guys I propose this:

Softie /Squishie guys belt & Boxes proposal V.1

Belt

Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. 

Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.

There are no loops on the belt.

A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle.

The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.

The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.

Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge.

The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle.

The belt may feature up to four more additonal boxes, for a total of six boxes, placed equideistant around the belt in screen accurate positions. 

The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick.

Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering.

[Detaleader[501st]]

8 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

See my post above as well ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick.

Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering.

Looking at the footage, the boxes are neither matte, nor the same as R1 boxes. 

I'd wager they're the same as Aldhani's: Gunmetal. They're certainly more reflective than the armor. As discussed before, they're also smaller than R1 (this is solidified in the Aldhani CRL) 

9 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

I just took another look at the backpack. We get the back shot, which is mosty shadowed and we cant see muich in the way of detail.

Two people use it in one scene- that doesnt make it a major prop or part of the continuing storyline. 

[...]

I think we can just take the standard R1 E-11 text, delete the flashlight, and use that for the option. 

Whether or not they're a major prop shouldn't really matter imo. A lack of reference on the other hand I can totally understand. 

I agree on the E-11 (which also still needs adding to the Aldhani text) 

On 3/5/2024 at 7:48 PM, IcyTrooper said:

Hey all, changes in equipment will be treated like the IAT: Andor trooper we did, as well as how Spec Ops has done CRLs in the past (i.e., Mudtrooper, etc.) with various tabs for specific characters. Thanks DCA team for jumping in to get this wrapped up!

That's great news, and exactly how it should be imo Thank you! 

On 3/4/2024 at 7:54 PM, tipperaryred said:

With regards to the optional Radio Backpack, do we have any ID on a found item?  It doesn't look on the surface like we'd have much to go on trying to piece it together as a scratch built prop.

The backpack frame is a Clansman GS, the pack itself appears to be built from components used on the Jedha Type 4 Pack or the Artillery pack. Screenshot is in 4K, so please right click and open to see the details! 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

You know, gunmetal crossed my mind but I convinced myself it was an optical delusion. Gunmetal is already in the CRL list for Ahldani troopers, it would make sense to re-use them.

To begin work on the pack, we really need side views.  

Udated proposoal. Im adding the missing line about the grooved belt which is visible , for L2.

Softie /Squishie guys belt & Boxes proposal V.2

Belt

Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. 

Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.

There are no loops on the belt.

A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle.

The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.

The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.

Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center.

The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge.

The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle.

The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick.

The belt may feature up to four more additonal boxes, for a total of six boxes, placed equideistant around the belt in screen accurate positions. 

Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering.  gunmetal or olive grey. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
Belt is made of leather.
Belt has a groove at top and bottom edge of the belt along its length.

 

[Detaleader[501st]]

Two side views for the backpack (4k version linked): 

 

Interesting to note: The backgrounder seemingly has both Baton + Backpack together 

 

 

Though sadly I don't think these will be quite enough reference to build a good replica 😕 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

i think they all carried the baton, but I do see a couple of dudes inside the HQ area withjust the clips which means the baton is out so they can sit down. 

Some of this stuff has to be found. We know what parts of it are. Some are clearly made for the prop. 

Anyone who is a pack specialist like Crookknight may be able to sort this The box itself is just a box, maybe a toaster oven?

 

Anyway lets circle back to finishing up the belt and boxes

 

Softie /Squishie guys belt & Boxes proposal V.2

Belt

Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. 

Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.

There are no loops on the belt.

A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle.

The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.

The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.

Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center.

The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge.

The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle.

The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick.

The belt may feature up to four more additonal boxes, for a total of six boxes, placed equideistant around the belt in screen accurate positions. 

Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering.  gunmetal or olive grey. 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
Belt is made of leather.
Belt has a groove at top and bottom edge of the belt along its length.

 

 

Any further discussion on this? can I wrap and lock it? 

 

 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

ok so I dont see any more posts, im locking down the text and updating the first page. 

[Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]]

On 11/29/2023 at 7:20 AM, Blackwatch said:

Shins  proposal V1.1

Shins 

The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the boots  wearers' shin using two flexible rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves.
Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle.
The rubber straps are ribbed and equal in size.
Straps extend from each buckle and the inner side of the greaves.
A "T" shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee.
The "T" shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised.
Two triangular prism-shaped ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the "T" shaped knee plate. The top and bottom facets are longer than the side facets. 
The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image.
The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot.
Shins are painted matte olive gray with heavy weathering.   to match the armor and are weathered to match the boots.  

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

The shin buckle shape is different than the shoulder buckles. The rear lever bar is shorter with a more distinct curve.                                                                                        Green color is similar to Pantone 350U overlaid with Pantone 433U.
Rubber straps are approx. 1.5” (40mm) wide.

For clarity Ill repost the Boot final text here, but Im going to add a line about weathering , since all of these boots are at a minimum moderately weathered.

Ok so looking back we never actually finished shins because we were wrapped up in boots. Look at my proposal V1.1 above, and when I condense it to V1.2 here, this is what we would get:

Shins 

The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the wearers' shin using two flexible rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves.
Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle.
The rubber straps are ribbed and equal in size.
Straps extend from each buckle and the inner side of the greaves.
A "T" shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee.
The "T" shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised.
Two triangular prism-shaped ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the "T" shaped knee plate. The top and bottom facets are longer than the side facets. 
The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image.
The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot.
Shins are painted to match the armor and should be weathered to match the boots.  

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

The shin buckle shape is different than the shoulder buckles. The rear lever bar is shorter with a more distinct curve. 
Rubber straps are approx. 1.5” (40mm) wide.                                                                      The shin armor is moderately weathered with grey paint simlar to Pantone 433u.

 

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

@Blackwatch I think that text looks good.

[IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]]

Just an update to this that we are almost done wrapping up the text and will get the CRL wiki created. We will need to get a CRL model for the picture aspect of it and start getting that in order.