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@Blackwatch Yes you summarized what I was trying to say perfectly lol. L1 create a base standard (and it seems we have set those parameters somewhat already in the original write-up) and L2 reference specific panel configs of the pack....that's just an idea. @pm07 This goes back to my original question regarding pack. If the look can be achieved and the frame can be hidden, can that work (for L1?)? It's hard to say until it's built, BUT the panels do seem to reflect a frame-less pack for sure and so that would be what we would write-up methinks. I see Neal's pouches and the E-11 holster question, but I'm going to keep focus on the pack till we are set on that before moving elsewhere.

I know several of you are chomping at the bit…we will take critiques and input still on the parka and belts (and I'd like to give everything a good look over once I have solid internet where pictures don't take forever to load)…but in the meantime we can move forward with the armor pieces. Let's begin with the shoulders and biceps. Here is what was initially proposed: Shoulder Bells Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other. The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical. Shoulders should have a longer flat edge that covers top of bicep with a shorter flat edge that connects to chest armor Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. Shoulders are painted olive grey with moderate weathering. Biceps Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with a added strip layer on top. Left bicep is olive grey with moderate weathering. Right bicep armor is painted red with three yellow squares on the cover strip, with moderate weathering. Biceps shall have moderate weathering.

I am moved BUT do not have internet service setup yet (hopefully this weekend). Using a temp hotspot to post tonight lol. Anyways, here is where we are at then regarding the updates: PARKA: Russian Plash Palatka Style. Parka is Dyed or Painted black. Metal grommets shall be painted or covered with leather to mimic leather grommets. Tied or otherwise attached under the chest armor and worn to cover the back plate. Parka shall be heavily weathered. OPTIONAL: Level 2 certification (if applicable) Ring Grommets shall be leather to match reference photos. UPPER BELT - LEATHER: The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is a standard officer buckle. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles. Two boxes shall be present on either side of buckle. Dimensions are approximately 2" (50.8mm) by 3" (76.2mm) by 1" (24.5mm). Boxes shall be painted the same color as the chest plate and heavily weathered. Belt shall be weathered appropriately. LOWER BELT - WEBBING: Belt is black and is made from two nylon web straps sewn together with a zig-zag pattern which is approximately 3" (76.2mm) wide. The belt features five boxes. 1 x standard drop box, 2 x small, 2 x medium, 1 x long drop box. Boxes shall be painted the same colour as the chest plate and moderately weathered. Belt shall be worn loose across lower abdomen. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Long drop box is hinged

In the current write-up, I see where it states the top tube is required (though there is an example of a pack sans top tube)…could be one requirement even though it's not in every single panel? Then following, I see where we have written that there should be EITHER the long tube on right OR the pack (1 requirement for base there). Then below that, EITHER a shovel or string of charges or both (2nd requirement)…with 2 total charges combined minimum. So while it's not a rigid base standard pack, the requirements seem clear cut enough. Here's a bit of a different idea…the MEPD sandy pack CRL uses this line... Option: If choosing to replicate a screen used configuration of equipment, specific style backpacks are required. It then links to the several specific screen used configurations of the pack/ammo pouches. Do something similar to what we see demonstrated in the panels as accurate configurations…leaving other configurations using options as Level 1? One last item... Left trooper…what do we have there on his chest? Is that a chest piece attached to the pack harness? Looks like the right trooper has it as well but its cut off in the artwork.

Yes indeed there will be. I'm taking what we construct and moving it to a "Proposal" thread. Once we've gone through it all, I will unlock that thread and we will do a final review (and edits if necessary).

Good update @Blackwatch and thank you for answering my questions. Let's move to the backpack proposal text. If everyone can just go line by line through the CRL and make sure what we have is actually in the art panels (and also see if we missed anything), that would be great...also considering variations and/or Level 2 options. Thanks again team! BACKPACK The Combat Engineer Backpack is used to carry the fundamental tools of the Combat Engineer to successfully plant their explosives or breaching charges. For 501st Approval: The pack has 2" black shoulder straps with rectangular black pads made from nylon, heavy cotton or leather. Four black rectangular boxes matching the size and shape of the source art are mounted to match the angle seen in the source art. No waist belt is present. NOTE: A minimum of two different types of demolition charges outlined below are required for approval. There are five types of demolition charge seen in the source art mounted on the backpack in different locations. Two different types may be mounted to the top of the boxes. The charge mounted to the sides may be mounted to the left or right of the pack. All demolition charges and mounting straps are painted matching grey. Primer grey is acceptable. Webbing or other means of representing the mounting straps will closely match the charge color. No color "warning" stripes or LEDs are permitted on the charges or pack. The right side of the pack shall have either an explosive charge OR a long rectangular pouch with flap mounted as seen in source art. An entrenching shovel , string of small charges or both as seen in the source art shall be mounted to the back of the pack. The first type of top-mounted demolition charge is roughly 4"- 4 ½" diameter with slightly larger end caps and is as wide as the backpack boxes. Both end caps feature 1" wide "coin slots" matching the diameter of the tube. Two grey mounting straps made of textile, plastic or other material are present on this charge. A second charge type seen on top of the backpack is roughly 3.5"- 3.75" diameter and longer than the pack is wide. The beveled ends feature a depressed area with a slightly raised lip, and have 1" wide "coin slots" matching the diameter of the tube. Two mounting straps made of textile, plastic or other material are present on this charge. A third charge type with flattened end caps slightly wider than the charge itself may be mounted to the right or left side of the pack. One Inch wide "Coin slots " are present on the end caps. A fourth type of demolition charge may be mounted to the bottom of the pack. It is almost as wide as the pack boxes and features rounded end caps with a flat spot / depression at the ends of the caps. A depressed circumferential ring feature is between the end cap and the body tube. A fifth type of small demolition charges may be present horizontally along the bottom pack boxes below the shovel if mounted. These four charges are roughly the size of a can of soda, with a 2"-2.5" band around middle. There is an indented ring approximately 3/8" below the top of the charge. The bottom of the charge is flat, the top is a dome and features a raised disc at the top of the dome. It is permissible to use 2"-2 ½" webbing closely matching the color of the charges for the band to hold the charges together in a group. Shovel An entrenching shovel matching the source art may be mounted vertically to the back of the pack . Right side pouch A long black rectangular pouch may be mounted to the right side of the pack, replacing the demolition charge described above. The pouch is as long as the backpack boxes are tall and features a single snap closing the flap. Pouch will be stuffed to appear loaded.

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Alright…so @Blackwatch we seem to be set on everything but the boots and backpack primarily. Here are some questions/comments: 1) I went back over the reference pics and I don't see any use of the jackboot style for this particular trooper. If it can be seen we can keep it, otherwise I would say we need to take it out as @TX-15293 suggested and make the commuter Level 1. Thoughts? 2) Imperial Patch…has a placeholder for Level 2. Was there something in mind here? 3) Belt pouches have Level 2 requirements. Did we have anything in mind for the chest pouches as well (i.e. are the bulletpoints regarding the number of pouches used a Level 2 requirement or simply just bulletpoint additions? 4) Backpack…don't answer any backpack stuff here lol. Once we agree that everything seems good we will tackle the pack and its accessories full force. THANKS!

P.S. Keep the discussion going and focused on these pieces (parka, belts). You guys are much appreciated. I am currently in the process of selling/buying homes with closing set for this Friday. My ability to get on much this week and next may be limited, BUT we can keep the talking points going and I will keep an eye on what is suggested. THANKS AGAIN!!!

READ ABOVE. If no major issues, I will move to the pinned post and hold till final review. Next up, parka and belts…here is what was initially submitted. PARKA: Russian Plash Palatka Style. Parka is Dyed or Painted black. Metal grommets shall be painted or covered with leather to mimic leather grommets. Tied or otherwise attached under the chest armor and worn to cover the back plate. Parka shall be heavily weathered. Optional Level 2 requirement: Ring Grommets shall be leather to match reference photos. OFFICER BELT: The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is a standard officer buckle. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles. Two boxes shall be present on either side of buckle. Dimensions are approximately 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) by 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) by 1" (25.4 mm) thick. Boxes shall be painted olive grey and moderately weathered. Belt shall be weathered appropriately LOWER BELT: Belt is black and is made from two nylon straps sewn together with a zig-zag pattern which is approximately 7.6 cm wide. Belt boxes options: Option A. two thin, two medium and one long tabbed box. Option B Two thin, two medium one hinged drop box. Boxes are olive grey grey with moderate weathering. Belt shall be worn loose across lower abdomen.

If there is no more input, I can piece together what we have and proceed to next sometime tomorrow to give people one last bit of input. Thanks again all! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have created a locked/pinned "Proposal" thread for us to move items we have covered to so that they are pulled cleanly out of the discussion. Hopefully that helps us see the final product compared to the original proposal/outline. See here: http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/topic/6015-new-crl-proposal-mudtrooper/ @areilly thank you for the input! We will get others input on those suggestions for the gloves and boots. You mention the top straps/buckles on the boots. I cannot see that in the reference pics for the life of me though @JAFO mentions it as well. Can you guys point that out specifically in a reference pic for me (and @amcclary) please? Thanks!

WARNING - THIS CRL IS IN THE OUTLINE AND DEVELOPMENT STAGE AND REQUIREMENTS THEREIN ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE See the discussion thread here: http://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/topic/5896-new-crl-development-mud-trooper/& Helmet An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned with the rim. The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is black. The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. A small tactical flashlight may be worn below the telemetry unit. A rubber trim, or the illusion of a rubber trim covers the edge of the helmet rim with the join made at the rear center of the helmet. Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. These may be weathered. The helmet is to be painted in matte olive green (similar to Pantone350u) to match the armor. The helmet paint finish may be textured, and is moderately weathered. Helmet has a black chin cup with tan webbing strap. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable): The helmet has a black/dark gray polystyrene inner liner consistent with that of a skate or bike helmet. The telemetry unit may feature a tied length of elastic bungee cord, approx. 4-5mm in diameter, looped around the outer upper section. If worn, tactical flashlight on right side of helmet is approx. 3.5" (90mm) black aluminum flashlight with knurling at both ends and a rubber push switch. Flashlight need not be functional. Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Goggles Goggles shall have an aged chrome frame with detail painting, and weathering to match reference image. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggles have dark angled lens featuring two flat panels on each side. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - approximately 25mm and 40mm. The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: • There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 25mm elastic is threaded. • A large buckle greeblie on the lefthand side through which the 40mm elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a beige square. • Two black plastic tri-glides on the right rear through which the 40mm elastic is threaded. OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable) Serrated 25 mm slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 25mm elastic is threaded. Respirator The respirator is large enough to cover the wearers’ lower face. The respirator shall be painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) and moderately weathered. The respirator has a ‘mouth’ which features a curved bottom, short curved vertical sides and arched top where the tubes attach. The mouth is painted matte black. The mouth features seven vertical cut-outs in the top center. The three center lines shall be equal length and run from the top of the mouth to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down in size incrementally. A silver colored metallic mesh is visible through the cut-outs. The respirator features two rounded tusks that extend either side of the mouth. The end of each tusk features a filter. The filters are aged chrome in color and have a raised center ring with three branches connecting to the outer ring. Sides of the filter slope to meet the tusks of the mask. Metallic mesh is visible through between the branches of the filter. Above each tusk is a black colored buckle through which 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing straps are fed. Each strap connects to a metal snap hook. These hooks are used to connect the respirator to the neck strap. The neck strap consists of a length of 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing with metal D-Rings sewn in to place. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. The respirator can be worn to cover the face, or suspended around the neck of the wearer. Level 2 (Optional) The metallic mesh for the mouth and filters consist of a rounded diamond pattern. In the center of each tusk filter is a hex socket cap screw. A rubber trim, or the illusion of a rubber trim covers the edge of the respirator. Hoses Two black rubber breathing hoses, approx. 30mm outer dimension, connect either side of the vertical cut-outs of the mouth. The hose extends over each shoulder and connects to the hose connectors located at the top of the back plate. Scarf A military style scarf is worn around the neck. The color may be solid dark olive grey or solid green ,and should contrast with the tunic. Parka Russian Plash Palatka Style. Parka is dyed or painted black. Tied or otherwise attached under the chest armor and worn to cover the back plate. Parka shall be heavily weathered. OPTIONAL: Level 2 certification (if applicable): Ring Grommets shall be leather to match reference photos. or metal grommets shall be covered with leather to mimic leather grommets. Tunic/Jacket A long-sleeved, Olive Grey, jacket that falls between upper and mid-thigh. Has a high mandarin style collar with an open space in front. Has two panels on either side of the front, extending to the bottom of the jacket with a width of approximately 6". Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm. Look may be created with top stitching. If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket, with no covering flaps present. No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor. Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. Optional Level 2 (if applicable): Jacket is made of an Olive Grey heavy weight bull denim Twill material. There is an imperial cog patch sewn on each shoulder and are made of an embossed 3D vinyl material. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom of the seam where the arm connects to the body. Chest Plate Chest Armor matches visual references. Accurate shape/design to front of chest. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attached to upper chest plate. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest and straps shall be painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) and be moderately weathered. Back Plate Back Plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. Chest and back plate meet at the sides. Black foam extends from the arm openings. 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside. The walls and floor the recesses shall be matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u). Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside to match Rogue One backplates. Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The floor of the cut out and the walls inside match the matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) color of the armor. Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recess. There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. Shoulder straps are matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. Back plate is painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering. OPTIONAL Level 2 Certification (if applicable): The hose fittings are angled forward, and approximately the same size as the hoses. Black fabric or leather loop drop down from the bottom of the back plate through which belts must pass through. Shoulder Bells Each shoulder bell is a mirror image of the other. The detailing of each shoulder bell is asymmetrical. Shoulders should have a longer flat edge that covers top of bicep with a shorter flat edge that connects to chest armor Shallow grooves are present in a pattern matching the photo. Shoulders are painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering. Biceps Bicep cover strips are raised and beveled with an added strip layer on top. Left bicep is matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350u) with moderate weathering. Right bicep armor is painted red with three yellow squares on the cover strip, with moderate weathering. Right Bicep Red color is Toyota Red 3E5 or comparable matching paint color. Yellow color is Montana Yellow Cab or comparable matching paint color. Each bicep may feature a slanted fishook detail that is inset into the bicep top facing outward. Gloves Black gloves with black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, and forefinger. Gloves have a U-shaped Velcro closure around the wrist. Gloves shall have all logos removed. Highlander brand Special Ops gloves are best match to reference. R1 style gloves are also acceptable for approval. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Gloves are Highlander Special Ops gloves #GL033-BK, or an authentic replication. Upper Belt - Leather The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is a standard officer buckle. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles. Two boxes shall be present on either side of buckle. Dimensions are approximately 2" (50.8mm) by 3" (76.2mm) by 1" (24.5mm). Boxes shall be painted the same color as the chest plate and heavily weathered. Belt shall be weathered appropriately. OPTIONAL Level 2 (if applicable): The belt features two grooves running the entire length of the belt, approximately 1/8" away from the edges of the belt. Lower Belt - Webbing Belt is black and is made from two nylon web straps sewn together which is approximately 3" (76.2mm) wide. The belt features six boxes. 1 x standard drop box on the right side of the belt. 2 x small and 2 x medium worn in he center of the belt. 1 x long drop box worn on the left of the belt. Boxes shall be painted matte olive green (Pantone 350U or similar) and moderately weathered. Belt shall be worn loosely across lower abdomen. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Two nylon web straps are sewn together with a zig zag pattern. Long drop box is hinged. Pants Black heavy cotton pants with double reinforced thighs. They do not have visible pockets or other adornment on the legs. Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. Shins The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the boots using two rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves. Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle. The rubber straps are ribbed, and equal in size, approx. 1.5” (38mm) wide. Straps extend from each buckle, and the inner side of the greaves. A “T” shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee. The ‘T” shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised. Two triangular ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the “T” shaped knee plate. The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image. The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot. Shins are painted matte olive green (similar to Pantone 350U) with heavy weathering. Boots Jackboot or kersey boot style, knee high smooth black leather or leather like material. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot. This need not be functional. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. Boots shall be tall enough to fit both shin straps. Boots shall be heavily weathered. Boots should form fit to the calf and not be loose. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots do not have a zipper. Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of Soviet Officer Boots. Optional Accessories Ammo Pouch Yugoslavian M49 - M56 SMG style ammo pouch or replica. Replica must be made from leather or leather-like material. Pouch is fitted with two straps. May be worn on either right or left chest with upper strap placed over the right shoulder and the lower strap across the chest passing under the left arm. The pouch may also be worn around the waist and sit on the left May be worn with upper strap over the right shoulder with the lower strap across the chest then passes under the left arm. Pouches shall be weathered or otherwise aged. Oiler pouch is optional and may be worn on the upper strap above the main pouches. Ammo Pouch/ Bandoleer Vietnam era 4 pouch 5.56mm ammunition cloth bandoleer. The pouches have been modified to make the pockets larger. Pouch is fitted with two straps and worn over left shoulder to right abdomen. Pouches shall be stuffed to appear full. Grenades The grenade is based on the design of a WW1 German stick grenade. The stick features a number of raised ridges. A button pad greeblie is present on the stick. The cylinder at the head of the grenade features 10 ribs. Grenade is attached via a strap looped through or attached to the ammo pouch shoulder buckle. Strap is attached to either side of the grenade’s center greeblie with loops around the shaft of the grenade and closed with snap buttons. Medic Markings Replaces the red version of the bicep. Right bicep armor is painted white with three gold stripes on the cover strip. There is a red image facing front that matches reference photos. Biceps shall have moderate weathering. Blaster E-10 Blaster Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. Tactical flashlight (Surefire scout M300 or replica) mounted on left side of barrel. Magazine is extended length. Magazine may be fitted with red lights which illuminate through the grill. Power cylinder is larger with 2 outer cylinders and 2 smaller central cylinder. The righthand side of the barrel features a rectangle box with two antenna. The top antenna is longer than the bottom. A rocker switch is present on top of the box. The box may be fitted with red lights which illuminate through the grill. Scope rail is fitted on a rear blocks whilst the front of the rail is angled to join the top of the barrel. Either one or two scope rings can be mounted on the scope rail. The barrel features a folding foregrip. A folding stock is in place. Webbing sling is attached with snap hook buckles. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Base is based on S&T Airsoft sterling with closed working parts (no spring). Screws used are M4 x 25mm Allen screw/bolts and sunken Allen screws for power cylinders. Web sling is fitted with snap hook buckles from a 70s era Yugoslavian Backpack. E-11B Blaster Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. Tactical flashlight (Surefire scout M300A or replica) mounted on left side of barrel. Magazine is extended length. Power cylinder is larger with 2 outer cylinders and 1 smaller central cylinder Scope is a M38 1943 version. Scope rail can be fitted with rail blocks and a middle rail support block is optional. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Base is based on S&T Airsoft sterling with closed working parts (no spring). Screws used are M4 x 25mm Allen screw/bolts and sunken Allen screws for power cylinders. E-22 Blaster Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster. It has a extended stock attached at the rear and a extended front housing with second lower barrel. Tactical flashlight (Surefire scout M300 or replica) mounted on right side of barrel. Magazine is extended length. Power cylinder is larger with 2 outer cylinders and 2 smaller central cylinders Scope is a 1943 version of the M38 scope. Scope rail is fitted onto rail blocks, one inside the rear sight and the other at the front end of the rail. There are 3 swivel studs fitted, one on the rear stock and one each side of the front barrel housing. Sling is 25mm webbing strap that is adjustable using a silver 25mm 3 fixed bar webbing buckle (optional). Sling is fitted with Talon quick release 25mm swivel or replica (optional). Red lights fitted on both sides of the rear housing, Hengstler fitted with a red light for the 3 forward tubes and 2 small red lights fitted into the rear barrel housing under the flashlight, the lights are permanent and are non-flashing or pulsed (optional). OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Base is based on S&T Airsoft sterling with closed working parts (no spring). Screws used are M4 x 25mm Allen screw/bolts and sunken Allen screws for power cylinders. Sling is fitted with Talon quick release 25mm swivel.

That's alright man! No worries.Let's wrap up the boots and gloves and proceed to the other pieces. When we are through it all, we can address any additional concerns/suggestions in a review of the final proposal. Cool? So to recap where we are at on the boots and gloves...with the boots we have the original proposal meshed with @JAFO suggestions. Yellow are some pieces in question (some by me). At current, no Spec Ops CRLs have Level 3 requirements, so I've blended the suggestions into Level 2 (for now). Feel free to provide input and suggestions for discussion. THANKS!!! BOOTS: Knee High black leather or leather like material. Jackboots style. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot. This need not be functional. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black. *Keep this line or remove altogether?* Boots shall be tall enough to fit both shin straps. Boots shall be heavily weathered Smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Style is same as Soviet Officer boots. Boots should form fit to the calf and not be loose. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots do not have a zipper. Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of Soviet Officer Boots. GLOVES: Black gloves with black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, and forefinger. The black oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand. Gloves have a U shaped velcro closure. Gloves shall have all logos removed. Highlander brand special ops gloves are best match to reference. R1 style gloves are also acceptable for approval.

@Sall It looks good. Elastic is fine. Is it Anovos kit? More than likely you are correct, those straps will crack (mine did and I hardly ever troop my TK). I found some thicker plastic straps than Anovos through another provider (WTF) to replace when mine can't hold up anymore...though I did reinforce the underside of them as well with plastic strips.

Let's reel it in a bit guys. We are currently discussing the BOOTS and GLOVES specifically. Try to keep focus there. @amcclary the jacket description you quoted has been heavily modified from the original you copied (see previous posts on page 5). This is what was most recently discussed and no alternative feedback had been given regarding editing it at the time. I haven't updated it quite yet on the original post just yet (may create a separate locked post to manage what the group has accepted as a whole and leave the original post alone). Tunic/Jacket A long-sleeved, Olive Grey, jacket that falls between upper and mid thigh. Has a mandarin style collar with an open front Has two panels on either side of the front, hidden zipper, extending to the bottom of the jacket with a width of approximately 6" in width. Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm. If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket, with no covering flaps present. No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor. May have code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. Optional Level 2: Jacket is made of an Olive Grey 12-14 oz Bull denim Twill material. There is an imperial cog patch sewn on each shoulder. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.

@JAFO can you show those boot buckle/straps specifically? can't see them myself either but if you can point em out that would be great! thx!

Next pieces to discuss will be boots and gloves...remember as Izzi stated earlier...we are not pinning down which boots and gloves fit the mold. Rather, we are defining what features need to be present for the pants or jacket to pass inspection (copy/paste verbatim lol). This is what was initially presented...we can edit/adjust from there. Boots Knee High black leather or leather like material. “Kerseyâ€� or “jackbootâ€� style. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot. This need not be functional. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black. Boots shall be tall enough to fit both shin straps. Boots shall be heavily weathered Gloves Black gloves with black leather or leather-like material on the palm, thumb, and forefinger. The black oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand. Gloves have a U shaped velcro closure. Gloves shall have all logos removed. Highlander brand special ops gloves are best match to reference.

I messaged @izzi to clarify and he is referring to the bottom portion of the tunic (where it splits)…there is a seam of stitching on the left and right that appear to make "panels." I think it's exactly what you referenced @JAFO. So we are talking approx. 6" in width? If so, I can edit/update and then move on to the next 2 pieces. Thanks!

Indeed. I was under the impression the pack was the current topic. Going back through the thread, it appeared that the majority of the CRL has been addressed and updated (unless I'm overlooking something). @Blackwatch which pieces of the CRL still need to be tidied up?

Cool. Just clarifying. Thx! So my next question would be...can the “look” be achieved with a frame and possibly kept for Level 1 while adding that no frame must be present for Level 2? I looked up the HWT crl to reference that pack description (as this one resembles it) and it makes no mention of a frame for or against. What would your opinion (and everyone’s here) be on that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm with you Neal. It does not appear to have a frame. That said…the way the CRL is currently drafted, it cites the Heavy Weapons as a reference but allows for a frame so long as the main body of the pack matches the art. Are you suggesting removing that frame option altogether? Thanks!

Pushing this forward for @izzi a bit. Before we move on to the next set of pieces, are there any adjustments to the tunic and pants that need to be considered (please take note of his previous questions in yellow)? Here was his latest update for review... Updated descriptions (as of 7/22): Pants Black heavy cotton pants with double reinforced thighs. They do not have pockets or other adornment on the legs. Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. Tunic/Jacket A long-sleeved, Olive Grey, jacket that falls between upper and mid thigh. Has a mandarin style collar with an open front - (taken from the couple movie stills and the Hot Toys figure as a supporting reference) Has two panels on either side of the front, hidden zipper, extending to the bottom of the jacket with a width of approximately ???. - (Still need a rough estimate for those panels) Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm. If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket, with no covering flaps present. No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor. May have code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. Optional Level 2: Jacket is made of an Olive Grey 12-14 oz Bull denim Twill material. There is an imperial cog patch sewn on each shoulder. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.

I am impressed…again!!!

You were going to go diving…just of a different kind then lol. Cool…well good luck on the boots!